Even though i highly doubt that Boston will deal him during his holdout, but how about a swap of
To Boston-Aucoin and a 3rd
To NYI-Boynton and Hilbert
This deal is not a bad one at all but again it is a lateral move at best and in the deal the Bruins get older and gain a fairly hefty contract and in the end the deal is not worth making. I don't think money is an issue as far as taking on a contract but when you compare player to player Boynton is a far better option for the Bruins than Aucoin at this point being both younger and cheaper. Though it appears to me that the Isles have solid depth at D and could stand to lose one of the big four (Niinimaa, Jonsson, Aucoin, Hamrlik) without getting another defenseman back. Which would make the Islanders a very attractive trading partner for the B's So would the Isles be willing to part with one of those for a couple of four A prospects in the ilk of Huml, Hillbert, Morrison? I think if the B's make a trade it better be to add another defenseman as opposed to a one for one defenseman deal.
This deal is not a bad one at all but again it is a lateral move at best and in the deal the Bruins get older and gain a fairly hefty contract and in the end the deal is not worth making. I don't think money is an issue as far as taking on a contract but when you compare player to player Boynton is a far better option for the Bruins than Aucoin at this point being both younger and cheaper. Though it appears to me that the Isles have solid depth at D and could stand to lose one of the big four (Niinimaa, Jonsson, Aucoin, Hamrlik) without getting another defenseman back. Which would make the Islanders a very attractive trading partner for the B's So would the Isles be willing to part with one of those for a couple of four A prospects in the ilk of Huml, Hillbert, Morrison? I think if the B's make a trade it better be to add another defenseman as opposed to a one for one defenseman deal.
Wang wants to make the playoffs now.Trading one of the top 4 d-men for prospects,while going with the inexperienced, 22 yr old Dipietro in net,doesn't make sense for the nyi.
This deal is not a bad one at all but again it is a lateral move at best and in the deal the Bruins get older and gain a fairly hefty contract and in the end the deal is not worth making. I don't think money is an issue as far as taking on a contract but when you compare player to player Boynton is a far better option for the Bruins than Aucoin at this point being both younger and cheaper. Though it appears to me that the Isles have solid depth at D and could stand to lose one of the big four (Niinimaa, Jonsson, Aucoin, Hamrlik) without getting another defenseman back. Which would make the Islanders a very attractive trading partner for the B's So would the Isles be willing to part with one of those for a couple of four A prospects in the ilk of Huml, Hillbert, Morrison? I think if the B's make a trade it better be to add another defenseman as opposed to a one for one defenseman deal.
I don't see the Bruin's trading Boynton and I honestly think the original deal favors the Isles significantly. A young, inexpensive upcoming guy like Boynton has more trade value than an expensive vet like Aucoin.
As for the "Isles can afford to loose a top four dman" theory: Unfortunately, you actually do need four guys to play in your top four. Timander will be gone via the waiver draft. That leaves only Martinek as a potential top four guy, and the Isles don't think he is ready. Contrary to popular opinion here, the Isles don't have the depth to move a dman right now. The last thing the Isles want is to go back to the bad old days of playing Aucion and Kenny J 30 minutes a night.
But, even if the Isles did want to move a dman, none of the prospects you offer would be of any real interest. IF the Isles do trade a dman for some reason, it will be for a big physical winger who can put the puck in the net and does not have contract problems (impending UFA Murray is out).
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Man, do I ever miss Oleg Kvasha. If Oleg was here, everything would be OK.
I'd go so far as to say that Aucoin and Niinimaa are currently UNTOUCHABLE, unless some idiot GM is offering a defenseman such as Pronger, Lidstrom or Gonchar in return.
Hamrlik and Jonsson might be another story.
Still, I think if MM and O'Connell get together, Samsonov would HAVE to be involved. Just no way around that if Boston was looking for one of our defensemen.
Still, I think if MM and O'Connell get together, Samsonov would HAVE to be involved. Just no way around that if Boston was looking for one of our defensemen.
I have a hard time believing the Bruins would trade Samsonov for any Islander defenseman.
I'd go so far as to say that Aucoin and Niinimaa are currently UNTOUCHABLE, unless some idiot GM is offering a defenseman such as Pronger, Lidstrom or Gonchar in return.
Hamrlik and Jonsson might be another story.
Still, I think if MM and O'Connell get together, Samsonov would HAVE to be involved. Just no way around that if Boston was looking for one of our defensemen.
Aucoin untouchable? how do u figure.
And if u want Sammy start with Dipierto (witch i dont think the B's would even be intersetd in any more) and go from there.
I would think an AUcoin for Boynton swap would favor the Isles.
He's far from untouchable. The only untouchable on the Isles is Yashin, and that's because of the absurdity of his contract.
And if i want Sammy start with Dipierto (witch i dont think the B's would even be intersetd in any more) and go from there.
They should be interested in DiPietro. From what I've been reading Potvin has been atrocious and it's not like Shields is much better. That's banking a lot on the development of Raycroft.
Of course, if we wound up trading DiPietro we'd be stuck with Snow/Doobie-witz, which would create more of a problem than the addition od Samsonov would be a solution.
I would think an AUcoin for Boynton swap would favor the Isles.
As would I. Regardless of whatever demands Boynton might "command" it would be far less than the 3.25 we're paying Aucoin in a contract year.
I'd go so far as to say that Aucoin and Niinimaa are currently UNTOUCHABLE, unless some idiot GM is offering a defenseman such as Pronger, Lidstrom or Gonchar in return.
Hamrlik and Jonsson might be another story.
Still, I think if MM and O'Connell get together, Samsonov would HAVE to be involved. Just no way around that if Boston was looking for one of our defensemen.
I don't think the team has any untouchable players.
I think all would be available in the right deal.
and if the isles were dealing top 4 d-men,I'd hope they'd move either Aucoin or Jonsson.As much as Aucoin's a workhorse,he's not as talented as Hamrlik,Niinimaa and Jonsson.Niinimaa's arrival means less mins will needed from Aucoin.
and Jonsson's health problems the last few yrs/his interest in playing at home, make it unlikely he'd be someone the team could build around for the longterm..
All this discussion is also a bit academic because the Isles and Bruins don't make major swaps. I don't think there has ever been a truly signficant deal between the teams in the history of the Isles franchise. The two teams are conference rivals, and there apparently is still some animosity between the teams over the Lavy hiring, and some bitterness toward the Evil One. Each time there have been talks between the teams, one of the two sides wound up asking for something unreasonable. And, the Bruins' GM commented last year that it was hard to get anything done within the conference. That is probably why McLaren wound up out west.
Anyway, I don't see the two teams well matched for a deal under any circumstances. The Isles have two real needs: A big physical lefthanded shoot who can score, and a physical youngish defender. The B's don't have that to offer. The players Mayhem mentions (Huml, Hilbert, Morrison) are nice young prospects, but also guys that would be of little real interest to the Isles organization.
The two player Isles fans often post about, Samsonov and Boynton are studs that any franchise would love to have. But, the Bruin's aren't going to deal them, and they certainly won't be send within the conference.
From my perspective, there is no real chance of a deal between the two teams. But, again, that is just my opinion. I claim no special inside knowledge.
I don't think it would work because the Bruins would lose yet another C. With a possibility of Hilbert playing 2nd or 3rd line C, they can't afford to lose another one.
I don't think it would work because the Bruins would lose yet another C. With a possibility of Hilbert playing 2nd or 3rd line C, they can't afford to lose another one.
Hilbert wouldn't be of any interest to the Islanders, but I don't think the B's have Hilbert penciled in for a definite spot this winter in any case.
I don't see the Bruin's trading Boynton and I honestly think the original deal favors the Isles significantly. A young, inexpensive upcoming guy like Boynton has more trade value than an expensive vet like Aucoin.
As for the "Isles can afford to loose a top four dman" theory: Unfortunately, you actually do need four guys to play in your top four. Timander will be gone via the waiver draft. That leaves only Martinek as a potential top four guy, and the Isles don't think he is ready. Contrary to popular opinion here, the Isles don't have the depth to move a dman right now. The last thing the Isles want is to go back to the bad old days of playing Aucion and Kenny J 30 minutes a night.
But, even if the Isles did want to move a dman, none of the prospects you offer would be of any real interest. IF the Isles do trade a dman for some reason, it will be for a big physical winger who can put the puck in the net and does not have contract problems (impending UFA Murray is out).
Well I did and do still believe that the Islanders have more than enough depth at defense to deal off one of the big four. And while the Bruins may not make a good trading partner for the them if the Isles are going to make a deal I'm guessing it will have to invlove one of the afformentioned big four like you said.
Well I did and do still believe that the Islanders have more than enough depth at defense to deal off one of the big four. And while the Bruins may not make a good trading partner for the them if the Isles are going to make a deal I'm guessing it will have to invlove one of the afformentioned big four like you said.
Really? Where is all this great depth the Isles have? Outside of their top four, the only dman in the system who played a regular role for even one full season is Cairns. I don't see the Isles moving Cairns into the top four.
Martinek was great for the first 25 games of his career but then he blew out his knee. He was pretty marginal last year, spending a lot of time in the AHL. I think management still has hopes for him, as do I, but Martinek is going to have a lot to prove before he gets a regular shift.
Which players are your talking about when you mention the Isles depth? Can you name one player in their system, outside the top four, that could play 20 minutes a night? I certainly can't. And, that is why I think the Isles may actually try to add to the defense at some point soon.
The Isles might trade a dman at one point. But, if they do, they're going to have to bring back another top four guy in return. I could see something like Hamrlik going for a solid # 4 dman and a winger. A straight dman for a forward swap is not going to happen. Nor are there likely to be any deals involving prospects or unproven players, given the desperation of this team to make the playoffs.
Really? Where is all this great depth the Isles have? Outside of their top four, the only dman in the system who played a regular role for even one full season is Cairns. I don't see the Isles moving Cairns into the top four.
Martinek was great for the first 25 games of his career but then he blew out his knee. He was pretty marginal last year, spending a lot of time in the AHL. I think management still has hopes for him, as do I, but Martinek is going to have a lot to prove before he gets a regular shift.
Which players are your talking about when you mention the Isles depth? Can you name one player in their system, outside the top four, that could play 20 minutes a night? I certainly can't. And, that is why I think the Isles may actually try to add to the defense at some point soon.
The Isles might trade a dman at one point. But, if they do, they're going to have to bring back another top four guy in return. I could see something like Hamrlik going for a solid # 4 dman and a winger. A straight dman for a forward swap is not going to happen. Nor are there likely to be any deals involving prospects or unproven players, given the desperation of this team to make the playoffs.
...when you compare the Isles apparent lack of depth to that of the Bruins you will see where I am coming from. The Bruins don't have one defenseman that they can rely on to play in all situations of the game as near as I can see the Isles have four in Hamrlik, Niinimaa, Aucoin, and Jonsson. As well I think Martinek will be fine at the number 5 spot with Cairns being a perfect 6th defenseman that is going to be nasty in front and drop the gloves when need be and there is Timmander than can fill in when need be.
...when you compare the Isles apparent lack of depth to that of the Bruins you will see where I am coming from. The Bruins don't have one defenseman that they can rely on to play in all situations of the game as near as I can see the Isles have four in Hamrlik, Niinimaa, Aucoin, and Jonsson. As well I think Martinek will be fine at the number 5 spot with Cairns being a perfect 6th defenseman that is going to be nasty in front and drop the gloves when need be and there is Timmander than can fill in when need be.
I understand that Bruin's lack depth, and that their situation is currently worse than the Isles (at least on the blueline). But, that doens't change the reality here. The Isles only have four d-men who have shown they can play in the top four. Cairns is a perfectly fine #6, and Martinek is a decent #5 (with upside). But, neither can play 20 - 25 minutes a night.
If the Isles move Aucoin or Kenny J., then one of Cairns or Martinek needs to move into a regular rotation. The Isles don't think either player can do that. And, as a result, they are not very likely to move a defensemen without getting one in return. That is especially the case given our lack of experience in goal (with Dipietro and the likely number 1).
I understand that Bruin's lack depth, and that their situation is currently worse than the Isles (at least on the blueline). But, that doens't change the reality here. The Isles only have four d-men who have shown they can play in the top four. Cairns is a perfectly fine #6, and Martinek is a decent #5 (with upside). But, neither can play 20 - 25 minutes a night.
If the Isles move Aucoin or Kenny J., then one of Cairns or Martinek needs to move into a regular rotation. The Isles don't think either player can do that. And, as a result, they are not very likely to move a defensemen without getting one in return. That is especially the case given our lack of experience in goal (with Dipietro and the likely number 1).
...I certainly respect your position and I concede your point that with inexperience in net the defense needs to be rock solid. Fact of the matter is the Bruins are not a desireable trading partner for the Isles because the Bruins cannot afford to give up what the Isles need aside from picks and prospects.
