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Realistically, when do we see Bozak on the Leafs?

View Poll Results: When will we see Bozak on the Leafs?
Within the next month or so (before the end of 2009) 16 29.09%
In 2010, before the Olympic break/trading deadline 15 27.27%
In 2010, after the trading deadline 17 30.91%
Next season 7 12.73%
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11-24-2009, 03:13 PM
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Realistically, when do we see Bozak on the Leafs?

I'm curious as to what you guys think. Personally, I think it's mainly his cap hit that's prevented him from being called up. The fact that he plays centre doesn't help, but I think he'd be on the Leafs if they had the cap room for him without needing to make a big move (i.e. waiving/trading significant salary).

I don't know all the little financial details though but here's what I have...

Remaining: 60 games

Cap hit: $3,725,000

Dates:
December 30, 2009 - last Leafs game of 2009
February 15-28, 2010 - Olympic break
March 3, 2010 - NHL trading deadline
April 10, 2010 - last Leafs game of the 2009/2010 regular season


I don't know how much cap space the Leafs have with Mitchell/Toskala on IR, Rosehill being waived, etc. Does anyone have the number?
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11-24-2009, 03:16 PM
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Unless he does amazing with the marlies, he will start with the leafs next year.
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11-24-2009, 03:18 PM
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There's no rush. Lets wait until some of what the scouts saw in him starts to show up on the scoresheet before we start making room for him and his contract on the big club. A full year in the AHL with a taste or two would be perfect. Lets make him earn it.
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11-24-2009, 03:25 PM
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he's already played an NHL game this year (had an assist, point per game player ), but I'm assuming you mean when he really gets an extended look as opposed to an injury replacement. I'm guessing he probably gets called up after we lose some deadweight at the trade deadline.
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11-24-2009, 03:28 PM
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I'm curious as to what you guys think. Personally, I think it's mainly his cap hit that's prevented him from being called up. The fact that he plays centre doesn't help, but I think he'd be on the Leafs if they had the cap room for him without needing to make a big move (i.e. waiving/trading significant salary).

I don't know all the little financial details though but here's what I have...

Remaining: 60 games

Cap hit: $3,725,000

Dates:
December 30, 2009 - last Leafs game of 2009
February 15-28, 2010 - Olympic break
March 3, 2010 - NHL trading deadline
April 10, 2010 - last Leafs game of the 2009/2010 regular season


I don't know how much cap space the Leafs have with Mitchell/Toskala on IR, Rosehill being waived, etc. Does anyone have the number?
That's not really an opinion but more of a known fact.
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11-24-2009, 03:33 PM
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Bozak until the last few games, was also a step behind the likes of Stalberg, Hanson and Tlusty. He didn't look bad but it just wasn't clicking for him at the AHL level. He also had to deal with H1N1/flu for a few games. He's looked much better in his last two games IMO.
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If he plays well with the Marlies, I think he will get a handful of games before the season is done. The coaching staff will want to evaluate him at the nhl level.
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His cap may have been a factor originally but the reason he hasn't been called up because his play has been ridiculously underwhelming in the AHL up until the last couple of games.

Some people around here are weird. Tlusty is a crap prospect but Bozak's our saviour despite Tlusty outperforming him constantly.
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bozak, tlusty and stalberg will be here one at a time by the deadline
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don't think we'll ever see him on the leafs as an actual contributor. he appears to have come remarkably over-hyped.

h1n1 might be the excuse for his whole career. his name doesn't get mentioned around here without h1n1 following closely.
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His cap may have been a factor originally but the reason he hasn't been called up because his play has been ridiculously underwhelming in the AHL up until the last couple of games.

Some people around here are weird. Tlusty is a crap prospect but Bozak's our saviour despite Tlusty outperforming him constantly.
Your bang on in your assesment but it was Burke who ran around telling everyone he was a high first round talent . The problem is people believed him.
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Realistically, I think Bozak is behind Tlusty, Hanson, and Stalberg in terms of call ups.

Therefore I don't think we are going to see much of him this season.

I think that unless more than one of our forwards (and more specifically centers), gets seriously injured long term, then Bozak's appearances (rightfully) will be exclusive to injury relief appearances here and there.

I wouldn't expect him to get a run until next year, which is the right way to go.
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His cap may have been a factor originally but the reason he hasn't been called up because his play has been ridiculously underwhelming in the AHL up until the last couple of games.

Some people around here are weird. Tlusty is a crap prospect but Bozak's our saviour despite Tlusty outperforming him constantly.
Oh you mean the time he was seriously ill with the flu?
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His cap may have been a factor originally but the reason he hasn't been called up because his play has been ridiculously underwhelming in the AHL up until the last couple of games.

Some people around here are weird. Tlusty is a crap prospect but Bozak's our saviour despite Tlusty outperforming him constantly.
I agree!!! Everyone is quick to call up Bozak but he hasn't done anything at the AHL level. Tlusty is much more deserving than Bozak and he is a couple years younger.
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don't think we'll ever see him on the leafs as an actual contributor. he appears to have come remarkably over-hyped.

h1n1 might be the excuse for his whole career. his name doesn't get mentioned around here without h1n1 following closely.
It's the Leafs nation syndrome - we overhyped anyone here who is under 23 years of age, as it's been so long we've been starved of real young talent.

I think he's been overhyped quite a bit, which is why I've always maintained that he's where he belongs right now, learning his trade.

(Tlustly/Stalberg/Hanson) >>>>>>>> Bozak right now.
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11-24-2009, 04:27 PM
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Problem with Bozak is not that simple as Leafs fans overhyping a guy. Last year he was getting offers from almost every team in the NHL. So clearly people beyond Leafs brass, and beyond Leafs fans thought he was a viable NHLer. But that doesnt mean he's a future first liner or anything.

Part of it is that College kids are like getting free draft picks, so even if he ends up on par with your average 3rd round pick, its worth the risk. Based on the level of interest for him, he's probably closer to the equivalent of a high 2nd, low 1st rd pick.

I watched him in pre-season and thought he looked good, but then in the game he was up here, I thought he got exposed defensively. One game doesnt prove much, but you can tell when a guy isnt ready for the bigs in a short period of time. Thats not to say he wont be ready in the near future.

I havent watched any Marlies games yet, but stats wise, he doesnt look great. Its possible the illness and just adjusting to the league may have been holding him back. So I would look at him carefully over the next 10-12 game or so. If he is producing and keeps his defensive game in check, then I would bring him up sometime in the New Year to replace Stajan/Mitchell and see how he does. But I think we all know playoffs are very very unlikely. So the goal of the organization should be to do whats best for the team in terms of development. I'd rather see all the kids in the Minors/Juniors as long as possible so they can continue to grow and develop their game.
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It's the Leafs nation syndrome - we overhyped anyone here who is under 23 years of age, as it's been so long we've been starved of real young talent.

I think he's been overhyped quite a bit, which is why I've always maintained that he's where he belongs right now, learning his trade.

(Tlustly/Stalberg/Hanson) >>>>>>>> Bozak right now.
He came hyped by scouts and other NHL gms who were after him, not just Leafs fans.
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I think Bozak would be better off in the NHL than in the AHL right now
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That's not really an opinion but more of a known fact.
Where I'm sitting he's on an entry contract with a base salary of $875,000 and $2,750,000 in potential bonuses that he is unlikely to reach and can be deferred anyhow.

Cap isn't a concern with Bozak. Little known fact.
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As guys get shipped out around the Trade Deadline, he'll get the call.
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Where I'm sitting he's on an entry contract with a base salary of $875,000 and $2,750,000 in potential bonuses that he is unlikely to reach and can be deferred anyhow.

Cap isn't a concern with Bozak. Little known fact.
He may not reach them and they may want to defer them, but they also have to take into account Schenn's and Gustavson's bonus' and they can only have so much entry level bonus money that they can actually have up and carry forward to the next year. So if they don't have the room to defer it all his base salary for this year 'appears' larger because it has to include whatever bonus amount cannot be carried to next year even if he will not attain them.
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Where I'm sitting he's on an entry contract with a base salary of $875,000 and $2,750,000 in potential bonuses that he is unlikely to reach and can be deferred anyhow.

Cap isn't a concern with Bozak. Little known fact.
It's always been said his cap hit was sitting well over $3 million and that's why he hasn't been up with the team for any extended period of time. I remember checking nhlnumbers.com on this and it said the same thing(earlier in the season). So is his cap hit the minimum then? Because I'm sure I'm not the only person who's confused by this now.
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He may not reach them and they may want to defer them, but they also have to take into account Schenn's and Gustavson's bonus' and they can only have so much entry level bonus money that they can actually have up and carry forward to the next year. So if they don't have the room to defer it all his base salary for this year 'appears' larger because it has to include whatever bonus amount cannot be carried to next year.
There's also Kulemin & Gunnarsson with bonuses to factor in.
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There's also Kulemin & Gunnarsson with bonuses to factor in.
I was just going to mention the major ones, but forgot Kulemin's bonus actually doubles his base salary. But very true.
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