As many of you know, I have never really endorsed the Schenn pick given his lack of upside associated with his skill set and type of player. While he can potentially be a valuable player at some point in time, I think we can all see that he will be a support guy as opposed to the guy leading the charge. Furthermore, given that we picked up Beauchemin and Komisarek pretty easily, experienced defensive defensemen aren't hard to come by if you want to folk over the money. With our lack of talent up front, I think it would make a lot of sense to move Schenn to get a youn guy to add to Kessel and Kadri as our go to offensive weapons for the future, since he carries a lot of value. If we could move him out for Bobby Ryan or Paajarvi-Svensson for example, you'd be looking at 3 quality young forwards going forward with more kids pushing for top 6 jobs. I think that would put us in a better position going forward competing with the skill in the Eastern Conference.
I don't really care to debate whether we should keep him or not, just what kind of value could he potentially bring back?
I hate the idea that it's going to take about 5-8 seasons for him to become anything close to what people think he might be capable of, which isn't that great to begin with. I'm all for trying to turn him into some actual talent.
I do agree that this is the wrong time to trade him, but I do feel like he should be moved at some point. If he's carrying top five pick value, this should be exploited to give us some more hockey talent if and when he picks up his game. I just don't feel like his game is that indespensable that he is automatically a) our future captain b) an untouchable. I think Edmonton might be a good fit for him. Those guys are notorious for drafting skating and offense, something we're lacking in the prospect department. Phoenix might be a good fit considering their offensive prospects.
I am in the keep Schenn camp since I believe he will play a major part in the teams defense in the future and with his hockey IQ and glimpses of being able to make some good passes I think his overall game will improve with time.
I do how ever agree with you that good defensive defenseman who takes a long time before they peak (close to 30) are easier to get through free agency and are perhaps not the kind one should spend top 5 picks on. That aside I would think from a team building POV it would be better to go after a young centre with first line potential rather then another winger. Our system have quite a few wingers, some with pretty good upside but we lack centres. Some one like Colin Wilson would be my preferred target. Now, Preds are stacked with defenders so I doubt they would want to part with their best offensive prospect to add another d-man. But that is the kind I would target. Perhaps even some one like Mueller but I would want something else added then.
Bad time to trade him...this is as low as his value's ever been. Now, last year; we would have gotten a top 5 pick.
So you are saying that less than a year after we drafted him at #5 we could have then turned around and flipped him for a top 5 pick? I'm wondering if Burke realized this and if he did, why didn't he pull the trigger?
As to the OP's question. i'm leaning towards trading him for forward help as well. Seeing a guy like Gunarsson step in and play so well has really got me thinking along the same lines. Finger will do short term on the bottom pairing as he is signed for a couple of years anyways (its the contract that's horrible, @ 10mins a night he is more than effective enough to be a 6th guy). The current strength of the team is in the back end. That all being said I can still see White being the first guy Burke moves to upgrade the forwards.
Not enough for his potential. So not a good idea to get rid of a 2nd year player with as high a potential as him for the kinda return we'd get for him.
We shouldn't even be discussing trading away one of our future building blocks. Doesn't make any sense if we are to build a contender one day. We will have to have a solid core of players that we developed if we are to have any chance at anything.
Not enough for his potential. So not a good idea to get rid of a 2nd year player with as high a potential as him for the kinda return we'd get for him.
We shouldn't even be discussing trading away one of our future building blocks. Doesn't make any sense if we are to build a contender one day. We will have to have a solid core of players that we developed if we are to have any chance at anything.
I don't think he's a very good building block, and with the inflated value of being a top five pick he could be converted into a different building block that better suits our needs, which is acquiring skill. This young core would be much better served if an elite offensive prospect were added in exchange for him, because his job can be filled in by committee. With a number one center, you either have one or you don`t.
I don't think he's a very good building block, and with the inflated value of being a top five pick he could be converted into a different building block that better suits our needs, which is acquiring skill. This young core would be much better served if an elite offensive prospect were added in exchange for him, because his job can be filled in by committee. With a number one center, you either have one or you don`t.
We'll have to disagree there I guess. I think he's a very good building block and I'm sure he'll change your tune in a few years. I think he's too young and has been thrown in the fire a bit too soon, but I have no worries that he'll recover and live up to his potential of being a tough shut down kinda guy. He's gonna have to work on a few aspects of his game, but which 20 year old doesn't?
Also as others have said and I elluded to, his return is pretty much at an all time low. so not a good idea to trade him even on that front.
we are talking about hockey players, and building a winning team..
Yeah, and what makes Luke Schenn the only option?
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Luke will be a good player, and a crucial part of out team for years to come.
Maybe, maybe not.
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I'm not sure why we would talk about his trade value, especially given that there is essentially no possibility of him being traded.
I want to talk about it because I want to see what people think his value is and what we could get in return. I'm not that interested in what you 'think'.
Don't get so emotional, we're talking about hockey players here.
it shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone how emotional people get just talking about hockey players.
I think if we really needed to trade Luke for whatever reason, I'm guessing we'd do struggling prospect for struggling prospect a la Tuomo Ruutu for Andrew Ladd. Maybe Kyle Turris then.
