Maybe it is just me, but I don't think signing Savard for the 5-7 years is that good of an idea. I am not positive with upcoming free agents, but wouldn't you guys rather see a younger Savard type player come in for the same money, maybe even a little bit less? Savvy is what, 32? I think he is a huge asset to this team this year, but how much of a factor will he be in 2 years being 34 making 5 mill? Obviously, I want to hear your thoughts...but if I hear any bickering amongst you little rascals I swear I will turn this thread right around and nobody will get to share their thoughts. Try me, i double dog dear ya...but seriously, I am very interested in what other Bruins fans think about this....
Maybe it is just me, but I don't think signing Savard for the 5-7 years is that good of an idea. I am not positive with upcoming free agents, but wouldn't you guys rather see a younger Savard type player come in for the same money, maybe even a little bit less? Savvy is what, 32? I think he is a huge asset to this team this year, but how much of a factor will he be in 2 years being 34 making 5 mill? Obviously, I want to hear your thoughts...but if I hear any bickering amongst you little rascals I swear I will turn this thread right around and nobody will get to share their thoughts. Try me, i double dog dear ya...but seriously, I am very interested in what other Bruins fans think about this....
I think I saw a younger Savvy playing pick up in Billerica last week. I bet he'd cost less.
Here's the thing that your missing. Come July 1, if the Bruins don't sign Savard, he is the cream of the free agent crops. So you're advocating that the Bruins hold off on signing on Savard so that they can get a younger, cheaper, comparable version of Savard as a UFA? Name one name that fits that profile. He's it. He's the guy that other teams are drooling over the prospect of signing to slot into their 1st line center position, and you're the guy that thinks that we can find someone better...that's younger...that will take more money.
I think I saw a younger Savvy playing pick up in Billerica last week. I bet he'd cost less.
Here's the thing that your missing. Come July 1, if the Bruins don't sign Savard, he is the cream of the free agent crops. So you're advocating that the Bruins hold off on signing on Savard so that they can get a younger, cheaper, comparable version of Savard as a UFA? Name one name that fits that profile. He's it. He's the guy that other teams are drooling over the prospect of signing to slot into their 1st line center position, and you're the guy that thinks that we can find someone better...that's younger...that will take more money.
Spot on Neely, there is no other potential 90 pt man who very much can change the complexion of the game in ways that Savvy does. His presence, as seen last night despite going pointless, makes opponents scramble to find enough players to "shut down" 3 lines. His absence proved his worth, not just from the scoring standpoint, but IMO, neither Bergy or Krejci are the ideal #1 centermen, they are fantastic second and 3rds.
Some attitudes have been that if the Leafs continue to sink themselves thusly handing the B`s one of the first 3 picks, arguably the B`s would pick Seguin/Hall and could let Savvy walk, not me, I do not let a proven NHL all-star player go until it has been proven that someone within the system could pick up his slack, and as NHL ready as Hall/Seguin appear to be, names like Lawton/Bonsignor and a slew of many others is filed in my memory bank reminding me not to annoint anyone anything until they start playing meaningful NHL minutes.
Savvy will stay, and the B`s will be a better team for it.
There won't be FA young or cheap that could replace Savard. I really don't understand why some people still think that a player with 35/36 years old is useless. Look at Alfredsson for instance, 36 years old and he is on pace for 90 points this year and making $7M.
Spot on Neely, there is no other potential 90 pt man who very much can change the complexion of the game in ways that Savvy does. His presence, as seen last night despite going pointless, makes opponents scramble to find enough players to "shut down" 3 lines. His absence proved his worth, not just from the scoring standpoint, but IMO, neither Bergy or Krejci are the ideal #1 centermen, they are fantastic second and 3rds.
Some attitudes have been that if the Leafs continue to sink themselves thusly handing the B`s one of the first 3 picks, arguably the B`s would pick Seguin/Hall and could let Savvy walk, not me, I do not let a proven NHL all-star player go until it has been proven that someone within the system could pick up his slack, and as NHL ready as Hall/Seguin appear to be, names like Lawton/Bonsignor and a slew of many others is filed in my memory bank reminding me not to annoint anyone anything until they start playing meaningful NHL minutes.
Savvy will stay, and the B`s will be a better team for it.
I think I saw a younger Savvy playing pick up in Billerica last week. I bet he'd cost less.
Here's the thing that your missing. Come July 1, if the Bruins don't sign Savard, he is the cream of the free agent crops. So you're advocating that the Bruins hold off on signing on Savard so that they can get a younger, cheaper, comparable version of Savard as a UFA? Name one name that fits that profile. He's it. He's the guy that other teams are drooling over the prospect of signing to slot into their 1st line center position, and you're the guy that thinks that we can find someone better...that's younger...that will take more money.
I'd take Marleau over Savvy any day of the week,
And everyone talking about no proper FA's coming up this year... you know what a 7 year contract means right. It means that money is tied up for 7 years in an aging center. Will there not be any better options in that time frame? Will the kids we have all stop getting better?
There won't be FA young or cheap that could replace Savard. I really don't understand why some people still think that a player with 35/36 years old is useless. Look at Alfredsson for instance, 36 years old and he is on pace for 90 points this year and making $7M.
Especially because we would be signing Savard for his smarts, not his speed or strength. Hockey IQ has a longer shelf life than brawn, and I would bet Marc Savard only gets craftier as he ages.
Maybe it is just me, but I don't think signing Savard for the 5-7 years is that good of an idea. I am not positive with upcoming free agents, but wouldn't you guys rather see a younger Savard type player come in for the same money, maybe even a little bit less? Savvy is what, 32? I think he is a huge asset to this team this year, but how much of a factor will he be in 2 years being 34 making 5 mill? Obviously, I want to hear your thoughts...but if I hear any bickering amongst you little rascals I swear I will turn this thread right around and nobody will get to share their thoughts. Try me, i double dog dear ya...but seriously, I am very interested in what other Bruins fans think about this....
No it is not just you. I think a 7 yr deal is terrible for the Bruins. Not just because Bergy had a great game last night but the Bs have 2 very good young Centers in Krejci & Bergy with Bergeron appearing to get back to his preconcussion days. It was of my opinion all along that if they were to sign Savard to sign him for 2 years & 3 yrs max. If he wasn`t going to accept that then let him walk & put the money toward the DeFence ( Seabrook or Barker) & toward the RFAs & leave yourself more options going forward.
People look at the numbers & say well who will replace Savard? WE don't need a a specific replacement for Savard. Krejci & Bergeron can make up the difference & both are 3 zone players with room to grow even more. Sobotka or a cheaper UFA option can be had as a 3rd line Center.
I don't know the exact #'s for Savard but if the rumours of 7 yrs 32 million are true then sure that will be a great caphit for the 1st 3 yrs but after that we will be cursing this deal because Savard will be taking up big cap space that the Bs could use to upgrade other areas of there game. I am not a fan of the Bs giving these 30 yr olds(Thomas & Savard) longterm big money contracts. It has the Redsox written all over them. Would the Redsox not love to rid of Lowell, Varitek & Ortiz's contract now? THe difference is it just cost money for the Sox. With the Bruins it cost valuable capspace for players who are on the decline or will be shortly.
How many dead (Bought out) contracts do people want taking up capspace? The fact that it is rumoured to be 7 yrs at a low caphit even shows the Bs have questions regarding the end of this contract. However, this all appears to be moot because it appears the Bs will give him this 7 year contract & take the risk of handcuffing this team bigtime down the road.
And everyone talking about no proper FA's coming up this year... you know what a 7 year contract means right. It means that money is tied up for 7 years in an aging center. Will there not be any better options in that time frame? Will the kids we have all stop getting better?
I think Kaoz, the attitude within the walls of the GM`s office their thinking is that Bergy is signed, Krejci/Rask/Looch, just a few of the kids that will remain B`s for a while.
Kids like Sob/Marchand/Hamill(?) will in the very near future start playing meaningful minutes, then Colborne is most likely to commence his pro career, top it all off with a ton of picks, and potentially high picks involving some names that MAY involve NHL ready players (not banking on it but..) and I think that Chia and Co. feel, even with a heavy tag on Savvy and potentially Chara next year, they have enough of the kids signed, keeping things on the manageable side in regards to cap space. I thought the Savvy deal that has been thrown around gives the B`s the option to back out after 5 years??
I like Marleau, I have no idea why, despite watching him considerably, I am not as much of a fan as you are of his.
Essentially I think that Chia feels he has enough organizational talent that is young enough that he need not pay big $$$, while remaining competitive and keeping Savvy.
I want us to resign Savard but I think 7 years is too long to sign ANY player as there are too many things that can happen. I'd love a three year deal at about 6 mil per if that is possible...
I want us to resign Savard but I think 7 years is too long to sign ANY player as there are too many things that can happen. I'd love a three year deal at about 6 mil per if that is possible...
The problem is rudos, I don`t think it is possible, I believe the next deal Savvy wants to sign is somewhere he can finish his career, I am not enamoured with 7 years but if the numbers reported are accurate, I am ok with the dollars. At 3 years, you can bet 6 mill won`t do it when he can get that and more elsewhere.
I want us to resign Savard but I think 7 years is too long to sign ANY player as there are too many things that can happen. I'd love a three year deal at about 6 mil per if that is possible...
3years, 6m/season isn't possible. I don't think Savard's agent even says "no thanks" to that, he just says "no".
If the duration of the contract is too much, would you prefer a shorter deal for more money? Because if Savard is going to consider a 3y deal, the annual salary would be MUCH higher, IMHO, and would cripple the team's cap situation more than the longer term would.
And in regards to the OP: who is this younger, cheaper point producer that is going to replace Savard?
I think Kaoz, the attitude within the walls of the GM`s office their thinking is that Bergy is signed, Krejci/Rask/Looch, just a few of the kids that will remain B`s for a while.
Kids like Sob/Marchand/Hamill(?) will in the very near future start playing meaningful minutes, then Colborne is most likely to commence his pro career, top it all off with a ton of picks, and potentially high picks involving some names that MAY involve NHL ready players (not banking on it but..) and I think that Chia and Co. feel, even with a heavy tag on Savvy and potentially Chara next year, they have enough of the kids signed, keeping things on the manageable side in regards to cap space. I thought the Savvy deal that has been thrown around gives the B`s the option to back out after 5 years??
I like Marleau, I have no idea why, despite watching him considerably, I am not as much of a fan as you are of his.
Essentially I think that Chia feels he has enough organizational talent that is young enough that he need not pay big $$$, while remaining competitive and keeping Savvy.
I like Marleau too, but not over Savard.
As has been mentioned, given Savard's style of play, he should be effective at what he does into his later 30s. If the cap hit is friendly, which most accounts have it being, I think getting him locked up is a good thing.
It's crazy to see how he's progressed. Lockerroom/attitude issues early in his career, then I had him pegged to be a huge dissapointment/whipping boy in Boston when he first signed here. Now he's about to retire a B.
3years, 6m/season isn't possible. I don't think Savard's agent even says "no thanks" to that, he just says "no".
If the duration of the contract is too much, would you prefer a shorter deal for more money? Because if Savard is going to consider a 3y deal, the annual salary would be MUCH higher, IMHO, and would cripple the team's cap situation more than the longer term would.
And in regards to the OP: who is this younger, cheaper point producer that is going to replace Savard?
Exactly overrated, and one thing you can count on is that Chia does not embarrass his players with humiliating offers. Savvy has completely restructured his game since arriving in Boston, all the while remaining near the top in scoring. His worth is unquestioned, and I thought I read that the B`s have an escape after the 5 year mark of the proposed/rumoured contract offer??
I think all this is moot, I am hearing far more reports that the deal is closer and closer to being signed, and I haven`t heard anything about Savvy bolting anywhere. This is a great match for both the B`s and Savvy and it will get done.
As has been mentioned, given Savard's style of play, he should be effective at what he does into his later 30s. If the cap hit is friendly, which most accounts have it being, I think getting him locked up is a good thing.
It's crazy to see how he's progressed. Lockerroom/attitude issues early in his career, then I had him pegged to be a huge dissapointment/whipping boy in Boston when he first signed here. Now he's about to retire a B.
I`m far more worried at the possibility of Savvy burning the Bruins while playing elsewhere far more than Kess. Savvy would never sign with a team at this point that is nowhere near having a chance to challenge for a cup. He has been/done everything the organization/coaches have asked of him, doesn`t sound like the kind of guy Chia would not do everything in order to keep him on board.
Younger, bigger (and he uses his size to his advantage very well), has a better shot, is a better leader, is far more physical (which isn't hard), and is a much better defensive player.
I`m far more worried at the possibility of Savvy burning the Bruins while playing elsewhere far more than Kess. Savvy would never sign with a team at this point that is nowhere near having a chance to challenge for a cup. He has been/done everything the organization/coaches have asked of him, doesn`t sound like the kind of guy Chia would not do everything in order to keep him on board.
Not sure about the Cup thing though. The rumors were he really wanted to go to TO due to proximity of his kids. And I agree- you can't let that happen, him and PK reunited, especially with the Leaves stinking again next year in our best interest.
Younger, bigger (and he uses his size to his advantage very well), has a better shot, is a better leader, is far more physical (which isn't hard), and is a much better defensive player.
Why would you choose Savard?
These are both subjective.
Savard has improved immensely in both categories since joining the B's, and I didn't hear anybody calling Marleau a great leader in SJ after all those early playoff exits? Also, wasn't he stripped of the captaincy by McLellan? (Given to Blake?) That doesn't exactly scream "leadership" to me.
Besides, with the season he is having, I am sure the Sharks will try to hang onto him.
Savard has improved immensely in both categories since joining the B's, and I didn't hear anybody calling Marleau a great leader in SJ after all those early playoff exits? Also, wasn't he stripped of the captaincy by McLellan? (Given to Blake?) That doesn't exactly scream "leadership" to me.
Besides, with the season he is having, I am sure the Sharks will try to hang onto him.
No they really aren't. Savard may have improved in his own end to the point where he's usable on the PK, but that's it... he's usuable. He'll never be a key piece to it (Bergeron, Krejci, and whoever the plugger center is that we pick up in the offseason get more SH time then Savvy and for good reason.
Marleau ran San Jose's last year, and again this year, and it's a damn good PK (consistently top of the league even).
As for the leadership issue... they had to do something after their playoff funk, and that was it (they also stripped the assistants in an effort to start fresh). It didn't help, nor change anything and Marleau took on more responsibility then he ever had before. Whether he wore the C or not, he was a leader there last season.
Again, why do pepole choose Savard... I'm curious?
Younger, bigger (and he uses his size to his advantage very well), has a better shot, is a better leader, is far more physical (which isn't hard), and is a much better defensive player.
Why would you choose Savard?
I disagree wholly with the bolded and that's the no. 1 reason I'll take Savard over him. No way is Marleau a better leader. He was stripped of his "C" this year, and for good reason. Seeing him in his last 3 playoffs makes me never want to see him lead my team. His lethargic play in the playoffs is contagious.
No they really aren't. Savard may have improved in his own end to the point where he's usable on the PK, but that's it... he's usuable. He'll never be a key piece to it (Bergeron, Krejci, and whoever the plugger center is that we pick up in the offseason get more SH time then Savvy and for good reason.
Marleau ran San Jose's last year, and again this year, and it's a damn good PK (consistently top of the league even).
As for the leadership issue... they had to do something after their playoff funk, and that was it (they also stripped the assistants in an effort to start fresh). It didn't help, nor change anything and Marleau took on more responsibility then he ever had before. Whether he wore the C or not, he was a leader there last season.
Again, why do pepole choose Savard... I'm curious?
Savard's playmaking is more valuable than any single attribute Marleau brings IMO, and none of the items Marleau has an edge in (shot, PK, size) offset the first disparity if you ask me.
You know what they say... "The grass isn't always greener."
Savard is here now. He makes the team better now. He's been the teams best forward for 3 years now. He's done it at what many would consider a "discount". Time to give him his due. As for the future prospects and development of young players, well they'll just have to work that much harder to make the team.
Savard's playmaking is more valuable than any single attribute Marleau brings IMO, and none of the items Marleau has an edge in (shot, PK, size) offset the first disparity if you ask me.
I think people underrate Savard's leadership ability....All we've heard from players is abnout how excited they are to have him back on and OFF the ice...Savard is one of the big pieces that makes this team click...
