I had a thought today...If the Bruins do indeed end up with say the 1st or second pick from Toronto, would it be completely out of the realm of possibility for the B's to put together a package including their 1st, the Tor 2011 first and some other pieces to try and move up in this draft to number 3? Seems if the Bruins have a top 2 pick they'll have a tough decision to make...Hall and Sequin seem like surefire dynamic offensive players which is something this team could use, but Fowler seems like the type of defensemen the Bruins have been dying to draft since Ray Bourque left and would make a perfect understudy to Chara.
So I'm thinking, what if they were able to leverage the sheer quantity of picks they have right now to try and draft 2 out of the top 3 this Summer? Any thoughts?
I had a thought today...If the Bruins do indeed end up with say the 1st or second pick from Toronto, would it be completely out of the realm of possibility for the B's to put together a package including their 1st, the Tor 2011 first and some other pieces to try and move up in this draft to number 3? Seems if the Bruins have a top 2 pick they'll have a tough decision to make...Hall and Sequin seem like surefire dynamic offensive players which is something this team could use, but Fowler seems like the type of defensemen the Bruins have been dying to draft since Ray Bourque left and would make a perfect understudy to Chara.
So I'm thinking, what if they were able to leverage the sheer quantity of picks they have right now to try and draft 2 out of the top 3 this Summer? Any thoughts?
Depends on where the Bruins own 1st rounder is this year. If the B's want the 3rd pick, their own pick would have to be no lower than 15, and I think more like 10.
I had a thought today...If the Bruins do indeed end up with say the 1st or second pick from Toronto, would it be completely out of the realm of possibility for the B's to put together a package including their 1st, the Tor 2011 first and some other pieces to try and move up in this draft to number 3? Seems if the Bruins have a top 2 pick they'll have a tough decision to make...Hall and Sequin seem like surefire dynamic offensive players which is something this team could use, but Fowler seems like the type of defensemen the Bruins have been dying to draft since Ray Bourque left and would make a perfect understudy to Chara.
So I'm thinking, what if they were able to leverage the sheer quantity of picks they have right now to try and draft 2 out of the top 3 this Summer? Any thoughts?
I've mentioned it before and most seem to think it's a good idea. You're right on with the Fowler thinking. A Hall/Seguin plus Fowler or Gudbranson would be great. I think top 3 is a stretch, but 5-10 wouldn't be crazy. Boston's first in 2010 + Toronto's or Tampa's 2nd in 2010 should get them something from 5-10.
I've mentioned it before. I think top 3 is a stretch, but 5-10 wouldn't be crazy. Boston's first in 2010 + Toronto's or Tampa's 2nd in 2010 should get them something from 5-10.
Look at last year. It took a 3rd rounder just to move up 4 spots in the first round, and that was mid or late in the draft (NYI-MIN deal, and I think NJ also had a 4 spot deal for a 3rd rounder).
If the B's pick at say 18 and want to go 8 spots to 8, it's going to take a heck of a lot more than a 2nd rounder. 1) They aren't going up 4 spots, but 8 spots and 2) The higher up u go in the draft the less likely it is for a team to give up the pick. It's going to take 2 #1s minimum to from late teens to top 10.
Look at last year. It took a 3rd rounder just to move up 4 spots in the first round, and that was mid or late in the draft (NYI-MIN deal, and I think NJ also had a 4 spot deal for a 3rd rounder).
If the B's pick at say 18 and want to go 8 spots to 8, it's going to take a heck of a lot more than a 2nd rounder. 1) They aren't going up 4 spots, but 8 spots and 2) The higher up u go in the draft the less likely it is for a team to give up the pick. It's going to take 2 #1s minimum to from late teens to top 10.
To go up 4 was a 3rd rounder last year, so a second rounder should go at least 6 or 7, no? Especially if it's a high second rounder. Two second rounders would, conceivably, go even further (say, 10-12 spots?)
I'd be wary about giving up Toronto's 2011 first. This team might suck for a long time.
Last year was a bit strange because MPS and Cowen fell lower than teams thought they would. The Oilers and Sens were smart to keep those picks. It would be tough to talk Nasville out of Ellis, too.
Look what Nashville did in 2008: gave up the 40th to go from 15 to 7. If Boston holds two picks from 30-40, they may be enough to go from 20 to a top ten pick.
Last edited by FutureConsiderations: 11-23-2009 at 10:36 PM.
To go up 4 was a 3rd rounder last year, so a second rounder should go at least 6 or 7, no? Especially if it's a high second rounder. Two second rounders would, conceivably, go even further (say, 10-12 spots?)
I'd be wary about giving up Toronto's 2011 first. This team might suck for a long time.
Yeah I think keeping the 2011 first would be best. Yet another bargaining chip/high end prospect for the future.
I think what you're trying to do is get both Hall and Seguin this year - right?
I don't know, I haven't seen many trades anytime recently where a team trades somebody out of the top 3, 4, 5 for quantity. There's usually such a drop off after those top few that quantity doesn't make up for missing a probable star. I'd be pretty surprised unless a name roster player was included to give some immediate quality bang.
But it would be nice I'd take both those guys for all 8 first two round picks the next two years.
I think what you're trying to do is get both Hall and Seguin this year - right?
I don't know, I haven't seen many trades anytime recently where a team trades somebody out of the top 3, 4, 5 for quantity. There's usually such a drop off after those top few that quantity doesn't make up for missing a probable star. I'd be pretty surprised unless a name roster player was included to give some immediate quality bang.
But it would be nice I'd take both those guys for all 8 first two round picks the next two years.
Agreed. I think his initial premise involved Hall/Seguin and Fowler, though.
The Leafs paid a 2nd rounder and 3rd rounder to go from 7 to 5 to get Schenn (ironically, passing on Wilson) in 2008.
The Sharks paid a 2nd and 3rd rounder to go from 13 to 9 in 2007.
But the last team to give up a top-tier pick (by that I mean anywhere from top 2-4 depending on the year) was arguably in 2002 when the Flyers traded Fedotenko and two second-rounders (34 and 52) to the Lightning for the #4 to get Joni Pitkanen. The deal worked out for Tampa, as Fedotenko was a huge part of their Stanley Cup effort two years later.
In 02 and 03, the #3 and #1 teams traded, but they stayed in that real top talent tier.
I think what you're trying to do is get both Hall and Seguin this year - right?
I don't know, I haven't seen many trades anytime recently where a team trades somebody out of the top 3, 4, 5 for quantity. There's usually such a drop off after those top few that quantity doesn't make up for missing a probable star. I'd be pretty surprised unless a name roster player was included to give some immediate quality bang.
But it would be nice I'd take both those guys for all 8 first two round picks the next two years.
No, I'm trying to get one of Hall or Seguin, plus Fowler. We have two significant organizational holes...no elite goal scorer and no stud defensive prospect. The right move in this situation could land us both. But you're likely correct that our picks alone wouldn't get it done and I don't know that we would be willing to part with the kind of players any trading partner would be looking for.
I don't see it happening. At least, not to get two picks in the top3. Those three guys are special. And a team isn't going to pass up the chance to take a special player for extra picks in the 20-40 range. Think about it like this: Would you trade Hedman for Caron and Sauve?
Now, if you want to go just outside that top group to the 2nd tier to try to get a guy like Kabanov or Gudbranson, then I think that's a possibility. But two in the top3 would probably require giving up something really significant from the roster (like Rask).
the thought of adding hall/seguin and fowler to an already impressive core of young talent has to be too good to ever be true. unless the b's miss the playoffs and are ready to include a proven young player i don't see any way they land a second top 3 pick.
But the great thing about the b's abundance of picks is that, even if Toronto somehow manages to climb out of the bottom of the basement, a top 3 pick is all but guaranteed to be available to the b's. and if things continue as they are (and assuming the b's make the playoffs), that abundance of picks could at least move us into the 10-12 range where there are a few guys that i could see falling and eventually being major steals down the road (McFarland, Forbort).
i think the most important part of this is going to be how chia values toronto's 2011 pick. Looks like he could strike gold with the first one, is it even worth gambling by holding on to the other? i think this years draft will have a lot to do with the strength of next years draft, which from most accounts i've heard seems somewhat weak.
I think a team might bite if you offer up an arsenal of picks and a roster player.
Bos trades : 2010:Bos 1, Tor 2, Bos 2, and Tor 1 of 2011, that along with a guy like Sturm who wouldnt be needed at LW if we got Hall.
Bos gets: top 3.
I know thats a lot of picks but that turns into a franchise Dman like Fowler, I do it. We have enough decent prospects, time for the high end.
We would still have our own 1st in 2011 and we would still have Tampa's 2nd this year.
So in this draft we could get Hall and Fowler, then move on to the 2nd round and still have our first for next year. I say absolutely.
I think a team might bite if you offer up an arsenal of picks and a roster player.
Bos trades : 2010:Bos 1, Tor 2, Bos 2, and Tor 1 of 2011, that along with a guy like Sturm who wouldnt be needed at LW if we got Hall.
Bos gets: top 3.
I know thats a lot of picks but that turns into a franchise Dman like Fowler, I do it. We have enough decent prospects, time for the high end.
We would still have our own 1st in 2011 and we would still have Tampa's 2nd this year.
So in this draft we could get Hall and Fowler, then move on to the 2nd round and still have our first for next year. I say absolutely.
This. Any team that could draft Fowler and Hall and keep them together would have a vrey very very bright future ahead.
I think a team might bite if you offer up an arsenal of picks and a roster player.
Bos trades : 2010:Bos 1, Tor 2, Bos 2, and Tor 1 of 2011, that along with a guy like Sturm who wouldnt be needed at LW if we got Hall.
Bos gets: top 3.
I know thats a lot of picks but that turns into a franchise Dman like Fowler, I do it. We have enough decent prospects, time for the high end.
We would still have our own 1st in 2011 and we would still have Tampa's 2nd this year.
So in this draft we could get Hall and Fowler, then move on to the 2nd round and still have our first for next year. I say absolutely.
I agree. The main point would be if Chia will have in the draft day, all picks that he has today. In this case, I believe that the idea would be really try get 2 top5. Hall + Fowler, would be very nice, but the idea of have Hall + Seguin...
Yeah I think keeping the 2011 first would be best. Yet another bargaining chip/high end prospect for the future.
I am just not on board with giving up anything in the way of potential high picks, and as you mentioned, I`d keep the 2011 pick too, Chia has so many other options with picks/prospects to deal from that keeping the 1st rounders is a non-issue with me.
He would have to aquire one heck of an already proven NHL`er to be able to justify to the fans why after snagging so much for Kessel he was willing to give it up.
The Leafs, IMO, will still next year be a non-playoff team, they will not finish as low as they will this year but....keep the Leafs picks, those are the picks that will stick in the craw of Burke, especially if it results in a Seguin/Hall/Fowler for this year, all those Leaf fans will lose their minds.
I think once Carolina gets Ward and Stall back, they can put some space between themselves and the Leafs. Minni, i don't know. I just don't see the Leafs passing anyone else. So, the 2010 pick should be a top 3. I'd be willing to part with Toronto's first pick in 2011 with our first in 2010 to move up for the right player. The main reason is because Toronto has 17 free agents on July 1st, of which 11 are unrestricted. Of those 17, i don't see the Leafs re-signing any more than 5, maybe 6 of them, so it's hard to tell where that team will end up in 2010-11 and where that 2011 first rounder will be. It's a gamble. They could be worse than they are this year, or they could be a playoff team with the right signings.
One thing is for certain, that after Kessel, they don't have very much. I've watched most of their games, and so far it seems like PK is trying to do it all himself, as witnessed by his 3 double digit shots on net per game. Will 2010-11 be any different? I'm just glad it's Chia and his gang making the decisions.
I'd take both those guys for all 8 first two round picks the next two years.
