Name players post 94' draft that will get into HHOF
Name players that you think has a 85-95% of getting into the HHOF that were drafted 1994 and after.
please note: criteria still stands. meaning xxxx got in because it was a weak year should not count
I'll start mine off:
Iginla (might need more playoff success), Chara, Joe Thornton (again, playoff success)
Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby
Datsyuk (waiting for door to open like Oates)
the very maybes: Nash, Getzlaf, Zetterberg, Eric Staal
The point of this is to see why the league is currently dominated by young players. Not too long ago, the league had a healthy share of Lemieux at the top, and Selanne at the top.
dany heatley might score 600 goals if he gets a few healthy seasons with big joe and maybe a few rocket richard trophies if ovie gets hit by a bus...a cup or 2 would also help his case
Name players that you think has a 85-95% of getting into the HHOF that were drafted 1994 and after.
please note: criteria still stands. meaning xxxx got in because it was a weak year should not count
I'll start mine off:
Iginla (might need more playoff success), Chara, Joe Thornton (again, playoff success)
Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby
Datsyuk (waiting for door to open like Oates)
the very maybes: Nash, Getzlaf, Zetterberg, Eric Staal
The point of this is to see why the league is currently dominated by young players. Not too long ago, the league had a healthy share of Lemieux at the top, and Selanne at the top.
So...an entire generation will not produce a single goalie worthy of the HOF?
Edit: I'm dece certain that any group of 15 consecutive drafts is going to produce more than 12 HOFers, and certainly more than one d-man and no goalies. Obviously it's impossible and silly to definitively say who'll make it 5-20 years before the fact, but I've gotta think the following chaps (off the top of my head) all have a relatively decent shot (bolded are guys I'm pretty comfortable saying will make it):
Backstrom, Green, Lecavalier, Stamkos, Hedman, Bogosian, Ward, Richards, Carter, Lundqvist, Fleury, Tavares, Parise, Spezza, Toews, Kane, Keith, Johnson, Weber, Heatley, Getzlaf, Kopitar, Doughty, Luongo, Bouwmeester...
Additional Edit: Hmm, some of that sounded self-contradictory. Given the absurd amount of variables involved (any of them could get hit by a bus tomorrow, or decide they hate hockey tomorrow, or become an alcoholic tomorrow, or....), "guys I'm pretty comfortable saying will make it" = "guys I think have a, say, 50% or better shot".
Last edited by passive voice: 11-23-2009 at 03:30 AM.
Talking about the younger goalies Fleury is likely best bet now. But he's still only 25 so he may have still 15 years to go. It is well known that goalies take longer time to develop, but MAF has already one Cup and one final appearance where his team lost.
Name players that you think has a 85-95% of getting into the HHOF that were drafted 1994 and after.
please note: criteria still stands. meaning xxxx got in because it was a weak year should not count
I'll start mine off:
Iginla (might need more playoff success), Chara, Joe Thornton (again, playoff success)
Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby
Datsyuk (waiting for door to open like Oates)
the very maybes: Nash, Getzlaf, Zetterberg, Eric Staal
The point of this is to see why the league is currently dominated by young players. Not too long ago, the league had a healthy share of Lemieux at the top, and Selanne at the top.
Explain to me how Iginla needs more playoff success and Chara doesn't?
Iginla has led his team to a SC final, while Chara's only made it to the the ECF. During his run to the SCF Iginla scored more playoff points than Chara has in all of his playoffs games. I understand he is a d-man, but Iginla has done just as much in the playoffs, if not more.
Iginla Trophies: 2 rockets, Art Ross, Lester B Pearson, 3 1st team all star selections. He will also hit 500 goals and 1000 points.
Chara: one Norris, maybe another few on the way, should hit 500 points, maybe 200 goals.
Again, Iginla, as a forward, has an advantage, and I think Chara is an extremely unique player, but I think you are giving him too much fanfare.
I also think, Joe, despite playoff disappointments is very likely to get in. He could end up top 10 all time in assists with just over a 1000, if he averages 50 a year for the next eight years (in which he could very well hit 75+ for the next four, leaving only 88-whatever he gets this year). Add that to an Art Ross, a Hart, a first team all star, and he has led the league in assists four times, and has been a first team all star.
All three leave a bit too be desired come playoff time, but they still have as many as ten years left to change that, but I expect all three, and certainly Joe and Iginla, will make it in.
Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin, Loungo will likely all join them
The next tier of Fleury, Cam Ward, Nash, Heatley, Kopitar, Getzlaf have varying degrees of chances.
There are a ton of youngins who could join the above group, but it is way, way too soon to be anointing them.
I think a better thread would be to name players drafted in the last 15 years who, with their CURRENT body of work, would get into the HHOF (a.k.a. if they got hit by a bus tomorrow).
That's a little tougher, obviously, to find guys under 35 who are shoe-ins.
No matter how much Joe fails in the playoffs, he had back-to-back 90+ assist seasons, only to be done by Gretzky and Lemieux. He's in already.
I don't know about that...
But I'll speak for goalies and defenceman since nobody else really is, and say that Mason, Price, and Lundqvist will get in, and I'd be surprised if at least 2/3 of them didn't. For d-men, I'll put up Phaneuf, Doughty, Green, and Hedman.
I think a better thread would be to name players drafted in the last 15 years who, with their CURRENT body of work, would get into the HHOF (a.k.a. if they got hit by a bus tomorrow).
That's a little tougher, obviously, to find guys under 35 who are shoe-ins.
I agree with this. There's a bit of a lull coming up. Probably Iginla and Thornton. Alfredsson? Chara?
I think Alfredsson has a good shot at getting in, dunno about 90% ish but pretty good I think especially if he finishes his career strong.
Iginla is definitely in.
Chara with a Norris gives him a pretty good shot. A couple more years of being an elite defenseman or another Norris will make him a lock. With the decline of Lidstrom I think another Norris is definitely a reasonable possibility.
Thornton will get in easily, his regular season accomplishments are just too much to ignore. Hossa likely gets in too for the same reasons, plus they both figure to have a lot of strong hockey left in them and should finish with impressive careers. Luongo is also a very near lock to make the HOF regardless of what his bashers say. He's been consistently among the best even if he hasn't "won anything" yet. If he wins a Cup or a Vezina he'll be a lock to get in for sure. If he just continues to be very, very good for the rest of his career and doesn't win any hardware I still believe he'll get in.
Lecavalier is a tough one. He's won a Cup and had a few excellent seasons but I don't think he's anywhere near a lock. Datsyuk will get in easily with multiple Cups, two Selkes, and a consistently elite offensive player.
Both Sedins have been PPG players for most of their careers but they haven't won anything (or come close) and I don't know if they've ever been considered among the best players in the league. However if they remain consistent and produce well for the rest of their careers they have a reasonable shot. Zetterberg will get in for the same reasons Datsyuk will, although he doesn't have the Selkes of Datsyuk he does have a Smythe (and nearly two).
Heatley will get in most likely. He's been among the most consistently elite snipers in the league since he arrived. Gaborik probably won't because he is always injured, otherwise his talent would indicate that he'd be a lock.
Kovalchuk is a lock for the same reasons as Heatley likely is. His goalscoring abilities are insane. Obviously some kind of playoff success or some hardware would help his cause but it won't be necessary. Spezza is interesting because he's definitely not a lock, but like many guys mentioned he'll have a solid shot if he continues to produce points like he has and / or wins a Cup.
Nash will probably get in, he's just too good to not continue to be an elite player in the league for many years.
The 2003 class is full of excellent players but none are locks. Staal, Getzlaf, and Parise would seem like they are the best bets to make it.
Ovechkin and Malkin are as close to locks as they could be at their age.
Crosby is also a near lock.
I don't think anybody in the 2006-2009 draft can be considered close to locks yet and not many of those guys really stand head and shoulders above the rest. It's just a ton of really good players, though it'll be interesting to see who seperates themselves from the pack in the upcoming years like some of the guys I listed before.
Also if nobody could tell I dedicated a paragraph to every draft year in order to make it easier.
I probably didn't give enough love to defenseman (or goalies), in fact I know that I didn't. It's just harder to predict those positions and evaluate in general.
If they drop out of hockey for non-hockey related reasons (i.e., not some sort of scandal, etc.), the only guys I would say are locks are Thornton, Iginla and Ovechkin.
Thornton is the premier playmaker of the decade, and his assist totals are unrivaled. Iginla defined the power forward role for a decade and has the accolades and point totals to go with it. Ovechkin has two Harts. Who has two Harts and isn't in the HHOF?
Other folks I think will make it over the course of a career in the NHL.
Malkin, Crosby, Heatley, Kovalchuk, and probably a good number of folks from the '03 draft.
The two or three most dominant of the next generation of defensemen will make it too. (Keith, Weber, Doughty, etc.)
If I were the one who decides, with gut feeling from least likely to most:
Sedins, Datsyuk, Alfredsson: no
E. Staal, Zetterberg, Spezza, Lecavalier: would rather not
Nash: dunno
Iginla, Thornton, Heatley: maybe
Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin: probably yes (if they continue to play on high level)
No, he really isn't. If he plays 400 more games and keeps his PPG average in tact, then we can start saying things like that.
No, I really think he is already in. There have been people with much lesser stats than him getting in. By the end of this season, he is gonna cement his HOF entry.
there has only been 11 players to ever get 90+ assist seasons, out of those 11 players only 4 have gotten 90+ assist seasons twice. and out of those 4, 3 of them have gotten 90+ assist seasons back to back.
lemiuex, gretzky, thornton are the only to have back to back years.
lemiuex, gretzky, thornton and oates are the only players to have 2 seasons of 90+ assist seasons
and out of the 11 that have gotten 90+ assists in a season 9 of them are already in the hall of fame, the only 3 that haven't are oates, lafontaine, and thornton.
there has only been 11 players to ever get 90+ assist seasons, out of those 11 players only 4 have gotten 90+ assist seasons twice. and out of those 4, 3 of them have gotten 90+ assist seasons back to back.
lemiuex, gretzky, thornton are the only to have back to back years.
lemiuex, gretzky, thornton and oates are the only players to have 2 seasons of 90+ assist seasons
and out of the 11 that have gotten 90+ assists in a season 9 of them are already in the hall of fame, the only 3 that haven't are oates, lafontaine, and thornton.
Goalie wise, I doubt any. Fleury has the Osgood dilemma [though Osgood has what, 400+ wins? over a variety of teams + multiple cups]-playing for stacked team.
Luongo has talent but talent doesn't mean you go into HHOF-you gotta win something worthwhile.
Lundqvist/Ward - kind of toss up...similar to Luongo albeit didn't take very long to make an "impact"...quote unquote
