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11-22-2009, 07:48 PM
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Grabbing the puck out of mid-air

Was grabbing the puck out of mid-air ever illegal?

After a while I thought of this as a natural occurrence during the game, but when I first got into the sport it seemed so weird. I kinda wish soccer had the same rule (yay no more France-Ireland replay debacle).
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11-22-2009, 07:57 PM
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Was grabbing the puck out of mid-air ever illegal?

After a while I thought of this as a natural occurrence during the game, but when I first got into the sport it seemed so weird. I kinda wish soccer had the same rule (yay no more France-Ireland replay debacle).
Not sure if it was ever illegal to touch the puck with your hand, but technically, it's not legal to "grab" the puck...

You can swat an airborne puck down to the ice with an open hand. That's about it.
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11-22-2009, 08:29 PM
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I'm pretty everytime someone grabs the puck out of mid-air it's a penalty. I close my hand on the puck everytime i catch it in the air. I drop it right in front of me like everyon else does in the nhl and no penalty. This is the way it should be but goes against the rule book.
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11-22-2009, 08:45 PM
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I'm pretty everytime someone grabs the puck out of mid-air it's a penalty. I close my hand on the puck everytime i catch it in the air. I drop it right in front of me like everyon else does in the nhl and no penalty. This is the way it should be but goes against the rule book.
Actually that doesn't go against the rule book, that is allowed under the rules....at least in Hockey Canada.

The rule book states "Play shall immediately be stopped and a Minor penalty shall be assessed any player except a goaltender who closes her hand on the puck and, while doing so, gains an advantage on her opponents. When a player simply closes her hand on the puck and immediately drops it to the ice, without gaining or attempting to gain an advantage by this action, play shall be allowed to continue."
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11-22-2009, 08:51 PM
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Isn't that how Betts separated his shoulder last night?
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11-22-2009, 10:26 PM
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I don't think it's a penalty.

I don't remembering it ever being called in a NHL game
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11-22-2009, 10:30 PM
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The only time that the penalty will be called in the NHL is if you grab the puck, skate past an opposition player while holding it and then drop it to your stick. I've seen that called at least once in my life.

Didn't a Cane get a penalty this season for grabbing the puck and throwing it out of the defensive zone?
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11-22-2009, 10:33 PM
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Actually that doesn't go against the rule book, that is allowed under the rules....at least in Hockey Canada.

The rule book states "Play shall immediately be stopped and a Minor penalty shall be assessed any player except a goaltender who closes her hand on the puck and, while doing so, gains an advantage on her opponents. When a player simply closes her hand on the puck and immediately drops it to the ice, without gaining or attempting to gain an advantage by this action, play shall be allowed to continue."
there's a WNHL?
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11-22-2009, 10:39 PM
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Actually that doesn't go against the rule book, that is allowed under the rules....at least in Hockey Canada.

The rule book states "Play shall immediately be stopped and a Minor penalty shall be assessed any player except a goaltender who closes her hand on the puck and, while doing so, gains an advantage on her opponents. When a player simply closes her hand on the puck and immediately drops it to the ice, without gaining or attempting to gain an advantage by this action, play shall be allowed to continue."
Well, isn't dropping a puck right in front of your own stick, theoretically, gaining an advantage?
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The only time that the penalty will be called in the NHL is if you grab the puck, skate past an opposition player while holding it and then drop it to your stick. I've seen that called at least once in my life.

Didn't a Cane get a penalty this season for grabbing the puck and throwing it out of the defensive zone?
Yeah I forgot who it was but there was a thread about it on here...about a month ago.

"He lost his stick then he lost his mind" is the quote.
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11-22-2009, 10:46 PM
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Yeah I forgot who it was but there was a thread about it on here...about a month ago.

"He lost his stick then he lost his mind" is the quote.
It was David Booth, Pens-Cats 10/23/09

09:38 FLA David Booth : Closing hand on puck - 2 min

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11-23-2009, 12:34 AM
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I kinda wish soccer had the same rule (yay no more France-Ireland replay debacle).
I don't, because that would be horrendous. Soccer-players can use most of their body to play the ball, and that's a good thing, because the ball actually allows such a play. But playing it with your hand gives you a completely different advantage. You don't see many hockey-players use all parts of their body to get control of the puck, the puck isn't suited for such a play.

In other words, hockey is played with the puck mostly on the ice, soccer is played with the ball partially on the ground and partially in the air. Swatting the puck down with you hand serves a purpose in hockey, but it would ruin soccer.
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It was David Booth, Pens-Cats 10/23/09

09:38 FLA David Booth : Closing hand on puck - 2 min

What was he thinkin?
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Well, isn't dropping a puck right in front of your own stick, theoretically, gaining an advantage?
Gaining an advantage means something like catching the puck, moving around an opposing player, then dropping it or catching the puck and throwing it out of the zone. If you just drop the puck both players have a fair chance to make a play.

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there's a WNHL?
That's out of the Hockey Canada rule book which uses him and her to be politically correct. Hence why I said it is a rule at least under Hockey Canada rules.
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11-23-2009, 01:12 AM
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What was he thinkin?
That's what I thought. It's pretty outrageous to see an NHL player do something like that.
It would have been legal if he swatted it over the line with his hand, but that was just plain bizarre.
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11-23-2009, 01:45 AM
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That's out of the Hockey Canada rule book which uses him and her to be politically correct. Hence why I said it is a rule at least under Hockey Canada rules.
ah I see, I missed where you said Hockey Canada.

but if they wanted to be PC, shouldn't it be "his/her" instead of just "her"? just sayin.
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11-23-2009, 02:17 AM
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Was grabbing the puck out of mid-air ever illegal?

After a while I thought of this as a natural occurrence during the game, but when I first got into the sport it seemed so weird. I kinda wish soccer had the same rule (yay no more France-Ireland replay debacle).

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there's a WNHL?
Actually...there is. I think its called the NWHL though. And our stupid Governor General at the time Adrienne Clarkson came up with the brilliant idea of awarding one of the teams the Stanley Cup in 05 when the NHL was on strike. When the rest of the world laughed in her face, she decided to donate the Clarkson Cup to them, all while the rest of the world was still laughing in her face. They also have great team names such as the Calgary Oval X-treme. Clarkson is not the Governor General of Canada anymore, but still on occasion gets laughed at by Canadians.
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There's a reason that most of the world refers to "soccer" as football. Horrible.
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You cannot close your hand on the puck.
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I kinda wish soccer had the same rule (yay no more France-Ireland replay debacle).
That would completely change the sport, never going to happen.
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That would completely change the sport, never going to happen.
It is a game though, silly Irish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_football
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Where's the video of Semin throwing the puck on net?

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Found it

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Where's the video of Semin throwing the puck on net?

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Kilger's reaction is funny, but it's embarassing that the refs didn't call that.
I mean it almost went in, it hit the crossbar I think, so would they have called it a goal?
If they weren't going to call the play when it didn't go in, I don't see any reason why they would if it did go in.
I assume they would have gone to video review, but as we've seen lately, that isn't even a guarantee that they get the call right.
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On video review, it would have been overturned because you're not allowed to direct a puck in with your glove (the definition of "direct" in this rule varies per team, apparently, because some guys have been allowed to score if the puck goes in off their glove while their hand is wrapped around their stick while others have had it wiped out).
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