Van-La Van-Pit

kushh · 11-13-2009, 12:56 AM

Kevin Bieksa and Jannik Hansen for Alex Frolov and 4th

Alex Frolov and Michael Grabner for Jordan Staal

Doughty-Bieksa
Scuderi-Johnson
Odonnell-Greene

Kunitz-Crosby-Guerin
Frolov-Malkin-Grabner
Fedotenko-Talbot-Kennedy

Sedin-Sedin-Samuelsson
Raymond-Staal-Kesler
Burrows-Wellwood-Bernier

Skelator 786* · 11-13-2009, 01:01 AM

why pay a top 6 winger and a potential top 6 winger for a 3rd liner

King Canuck · 11-13-2009, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Skelator 786

why pay a top 6 winger and a potential top 6 winger for a 3rd liner

Well Staal would be a 2 nd liner on most teams in the NHL,imagine Staal and Kesler on the same line

I do this from a Canucks POV.

sedinfan3322 · 11-13-2009, 01:07 AM

if one more canuck fan says no to this trade, i may lose what little faith i have left for my fellow nuck fans!
seriously, skeletor?
bieksa, hansen and grabner for staal? gillis gets vigneault to punch him in the face to make sure he's awake seeing that offer. i drool (homer simpson style) at staal and kesler on the same line!

MartinVanBuren · 11-13-2009, 01:10 AM

Holy god Staal is overrated. Frolov and Grabner? Has any looked at his statline?

PoolChamp · 11-13-2009, 01:12 AM

I would make the first trade and keep Frolov.

Raymond - Kesler - Frolov > Raymond - Staal - Kesler

odds · 11-13-2009, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PoolChamp

I would make the first trade and keep Frolov.

Raymond - Kesler - Frolov > Raymond - Staal - Kesler

Then how do you get Staal?

Edit: note to all Grabner has a fractured ankle.

PoolChamp · 11-13-2009, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by odds

Then how do you get Staal?

we don't. If we landed Frolov I wouldn't be in favour of flipping him for Jordan Staal. Frolov would be a great fit with Kesler.

odds · 11-13-2009, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinVanBuren

Holy god Staal is overrated. Frolov and Grabner? Has any looked at his statline?

Have you looked at Frolov's UFA status?

Skelator 786* · 11-13-2009, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sedinfan3322

if one more canuck fan says no to this trade, i may lose what little faith i have left for my fellow nuck fans!
seriously, skeletor?
bieksa, hansen and grabner for staal? gillis gets vigneault to punch him in the face to make sure he's awake seeing that offer. i drool (homer simpson style) at staal and kesler on the same line!

we dont need anymore goons on this team

odds · 11-13-2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PoolChamp

we don't. If we landed Frolov I wouldn't be in favour of flipping him for Jordan Staal. Frolov would be a great fit with Kesler.

Ah, I missed the little arrow.

MartinVanBuren · 11-13-2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by odds

Have you looked at Frolov's UFA status?

A playoff run with Frolov is worth more than 3 more seasons of Jordan Staal eating 4M in cap space.

sedinfan3322 · 11-13-2009, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Skelator 786

we dont need anymore goons on this team

that just doesnt make any sense!

staal may be overrated but not at that price. he's got a good contract for a number of years, plays on the 3rd line (2nd on nucks), it moves kesler to the wing ( i think he'd be more effective there).

i don't think its enough to acquire him with that offer. wait for non nucks fans to hit this one.

Skelator 786* · 11-13-2009, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sedinfan3322

that just doesnt make any sense!

staal may be overrated but not at that price. he's got a good contract for a number of years, plays on the 3rd line (2nd on nucks), it moves kesler to the wing ( i think he'd be more effective there).

i don't think its enough to acquire him with that offer. wait for non nucks fans to hit this one.

i still think hes a goon

are you a canucks fan by the way

MartinVanBuren · 11-13-2009, 01:36 AM

Here's a list of players with more points than Jordan Staal:

Code:

1	 Anze Kopitar   	30
2	Marian Gaborik 	24
3	Alex Ovechkin 	23
4	Rick Nash 		23
5	Patrick Marleau 	23
6	Dustin Penner 	22
7	Ryan Smyth 	22
8	Joe Thornton 	22
9	Nicklas Backstrom 	22
10	Zach Parise 	21
11	Corey Perry 	20
12	Dany Heatley 	21
13	Henrik Sedin 	20
14	Rich Peverley 	20
15	Brad Richards 	20
16	Vinny Prospal 	20
17	Tomas Kaberle 	20
18	Steven Stamkos 	19
19	Daniel Alfredsson 	19
20	Brooks Laich 	18
21	Rene Bourque 	18
22	Ryan Kesler 	18
23	Paul Stastny 	18
24	Dan Boyle 		18
25	Martin St Louis 	18
26	James Neal 	19
27	Alexander Semin 	17
28	Sidney Crosby 	17
29	Ales Kotalik 	17
30	Dustin Brown 	17
31	 Jeff Carter   	17
32	Henrik Zetterberg 	17
33	Mikko Koivu 	17
34	Patrick Kane 	17
35	Tomas Plekanec 	17
36	Ales Hemsky 	17
37	Ryan Malone 	16
38	Wojtek Wolski 	16
39	Michael Cammalleri 	16
40	Travis Zajac 	16
41	Chris Pronger 	16
42	Ryan Getzlaf 	16
43	Jarome Iginla 	15
44	Mike Richards 	15
45	Loui Eriksson 	16
46	Patrick Sharp 	15
47	Mike Knuble 	15
48	Jarret Stoll 		15
49	Justin Williams 	15
50	Tim Connolly 	15
51	James van Riemsdyk 	15
52	Alexander Frolov 	15
53	Michael Del Zotto 	15
54	Pavel Datsyuk 	15
55	Drew Doughty 	15
56	Mike Green 	15
57	Steven Reinprecht 	14
58	Mikael Samuelsson 	14
59	Matt Moulson 	14
60	Milan Hejduk 	14
61	 Mike Fisher   	14
62	Brenden Morrow 	14
63	Brendan Morrison 	14
64	David Clarkson 	14
65	Mike Ribeiro 	14
66	Shane Doan 	14
67	John Tavares 	14
68	Ryan O'Reilly 	14
69	Evgeni Malkin 	14
70	Vincent Lecavalier 	14
71	Nik Antropov 	14
72	Ilya Kovalchuk 	13
73	Brian Gionta 	13
74	Andrew Brunette 	13
75	Alex Goligoski 	13
76	Ed Jovanovski 	13
77	Jamie Langenbrunner 	13
78	Tomas Holmstrom 	12
79	Andy McDonald 	12
80	Patrice Bergeron 	12
81	Scott Hartnell 	12
82	Niclas Bergfors 	12
83	Jakub Voracek 	12
84	Eric Belanger 	12
85	Maxim Afinogenov 	12
86	Kris Versteeg 	12
87	Chris Kunitz 	12
88	Antoine Vermette 	12
89	Patrick O'Sullivan 	12
90	Christian Ehrhoff 	12
91	 Mikhail Grabovski   	12
92	Derek Roy 		12
93	Tobias Enstrom 	12
94	Matt Carle 		12
95	Erik Johnson 	12
96	David Perron 	11
97	Bobby Ryan 	11
98	Niklas Kronwall 	11
99	Wayne Simmonds 	11
100	Alexandre Burrows 	11
101	Jason Pominville 	11
102	Brad Boyes 	11
103	Lubomir Visnovsky 	11
104	Duncan Keith 	11
105	Nathan Horton 	11
106	R.J. Umberger 	11
107	Sam Gagner 	11
108	J.P. Dumont 	11
109	Jamie Benn 	11
110	Kyle Quincey 	11
111	Scott Gomez 	11
112	Marek Zidlicky 	11
113	Jason Spezza 	11
114	Scott Niedermayer 	11
115	Kimmo Timonen 	11
116	Teemu Selanne 	10
117	Mason Raymond 	10
118	Devin Setoguchi 	10
119	Milan Michalek 	10
120	Niklas Hagman 	10
121	 Michal Handzus   	10
122	David Jones 	10
123	Dion Phaneuf 	10
124	Gilbert Brule 	10
125	Patric Hornqvist 	10
126	Daymond Langkow 	10
127	Jason Chimera 	10
128	Nigel Dawes 	10
129	Glen Metropolit 	10
130	Matthew Lombardi 	10
131	Jussi Jokinen 	10
132	Bill Guerin 		10
133	Kyle Okposo 	10
134	Brandon Dubinsky 	10
135	Ian White 		10
136	Derick Brassard 	10
137	Denis Grebeshkov 	10
138	Jason Blake 	10
139	Adrian Aucoin 	10
140	James Wisniewski 	10
141	Jason Demers 	10
142	Raffi Torres 	9
143	Alexei Ponikarovsky 	9
144	Danny Briere 	9
145	Jeff Tambellini 	9
146	Kristian Huselius 	9
147	Shea Weber 	9
148	Ray Whitney 	9
149	Cam Barker 	9
150	Lee Stempniak 	9
151	 Robert Lang   	9
152	Mark Streit 	9
153	Andy Greene 	9
154	Keith Tkachuk 	9
155	Cory Stillman 	9
156	Alex Tanguay 	9
157	Steve Begin 	9
158	Olli Jokinen 	9
159	Brian Campbell 	9
160	Kevin Bieksa 	9
161	Zdeno Chara 	9
162	Ryane Clowe 	10
163	Derek Morris 	9
164	Alexander Edler 	9
165	Tomas Fleischmann 	8
166	Dustin Byfuglien 	8
167	Zach Bogosian 	8
168	Thomas Vanek 	8
169	Tyler Kennedy 	8
170	Clarke MacArthur 	8
171	Mike Comrie 	8
172	Joffrey Lupul 	8
173	Drew Stafford 	8
174	Tuomo Ruutu 	8
175	Artem Anisimov 	8
176	Radim Vrbata 	8
177	Alexei Kovalev 	8
178	Jarkko Ruutu 	8
179	Blake Wheeler 	8
180	Evander Kane 	8
181	 Dan Girardi   	8
182	Steve Bernier 	8
183	Stephane Robidas 	9
184	Jonathan Ericsson 	8
185	Dan Cleary 	8
186	Todd Bertuzzi 	8
187	Tyler Myers 	8
188	Matt Stajan 	8
189	Pavel Kubina 	8
190	Enver Lisin 		8
191	Marco Sturm 	8
192	Brent Burns 	8
193	Martin Havlat 	8
194	Bryan Little 	8
195	Saku Koivu 	8
196	Daniel Winnik 	8
197	Sergei Gonchar 	8
198	Vernon Fiddler 	8
199	Brian Rafalski 	8
200	Claude Giroux 	8
201	Ryan Whitney 	8
202	Anton Stralman 	8
203	Robyn Regehr 	8

mrmyheadhurts · 11-13-2009, 01:50 AM

I really like Staal but he has to be one of the most overrated players on HF. I blame Cherry.

We lose a top pairing D man, (not on every team but he is on the Canucks) 2 of our better prospects and a 4th round pick so we can move a guy who has emerged as a legit 2nd line center (Kesler) to the wing?

Staal is one of the best 3rd line centers in the league but as far as I'm concerned Kesler and Henrik own the top 2 center spots meaning we just gave up a lot of valuable assets for, that's right, a great 3rd line center.

No thanks, I would rather look for a good 3rd line center who's price is considerably lower at the deadline than empty the cupboard for Staal.

LostMyGlasses · 11-13-2009, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmyheadhurts

I really like Staal but he has to be one of the most overrated players on HF. I blame Cherry.

Not that I don't agree, but Pierre McGuire is hyping the guy to be on team Canada.

Skelator 786* · 11-13-2009, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LostMyGlasses

Not that I don't agree, but Pierre McGuire is hyping the guy to be on team Canada.

penguin fans are saying hes a 1st liner on some teams

mrmyheadhurts · 11-13-2009, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Skelator 786

penguin fans are saying hes a 1st liner on some teams

Stop trolling already.

Skelator 786* · 11-13-2009, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmyheadhurts

Stop trolling already.

speaking the truth does not = trolling

bigtuna · 11-13-2009, 02:37 AM

I wish people would stop riding Jordan Staal's penis.

DapperDan · 11-13-2009, 02:41 AM

Pretty fair from a Kings POV. Deal.

Fulton Reed · 11-13-2009, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Skelator 786

we dont need anymore goons on this team

What the hell are you talking about?

Jaded-Fan · 11-13-2009, 02:52 AM

Here is a list of 20 year olds who have completely shut down two or more 100 point scorers in the past couple years of playoffs while averaging over 22 goals per year his first three years in the league:

None.

If you all think he sucks so much, why the hell is it always fans of other teams trying to trade for him here, in at least ten threads per month?

The Mighty Boosh · 11-13-2009, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinVanBuren

Holy god Staal is overrated. Frolov and Grabner? Has any looked at his statline?

Stats man! STATS!