Having a debate with a friend about Cody Hodgson. Who since last seasons WJC thinks hes the next thing since sliced cheese.
Not to say (Health permitting)he won't be a good player but I just don't think he'll be a star. 70pt +?
We even compared Ryan O'Reilly to him in value(Yes Cody will score more). While he thinks Cody will be much better I dont think the point gap(if O'Reilly is given quality linemates) will be as great as he thinks.
I see no reason why Hodgson can't one day be a PPG player in the NHL, although that doesn't make it definite.
He has a great shot, EXCEPTIONAL hockey sense, and is very good defensively/positionally despite his lack of speed. It's not like he has an undersized frame either.
I'm curious, what do you base your opinion on? He was the lead scorer in the world juniors last year, he captains and leads his juniors team in scoring, and was also named CHL player of the year above many other notable names.
I think in his prime he bottoms out at a 70 pt defensively responsible 2nd liner. I'm kind of thinking a Mike Richards type of player personally.
I am sorry, I don't care what Hodgson does in the minors. Its impressive, without a doubt [tho its getting repetitive] and this is slightly unfair for him to be compared with RoR until we can see what he does in the NHL.
But so far this season, RoR has been on the PP, PK, played in all situations, is 2nd [3rd overall behind Del Zotto and JVR] for rookies in points, leads all rookies with a + 11 and tied for 2nd in the league.
RoR is what I hear most Nucks fan hope Hodgson turn out to be. A player that can be used in all situations with leadership skill. One is already proving it while the other has to make the NHL.
Until Hodgson makes the NHL and proves that he is better than RoR its RoR easily.
I see no reason why Hodgson can't one day be a PPG player in the NHL, although that doesn't make it definite.
He has a great shot, EXCEPTIONAL hockey sense, and is very good defensively/positionally despite his lack of speed. It's not like he has an undersized frame either.
I'm curious, what do you base your opinion on? He was the lead scorer in the world juniors last year, he captains and leads his juniors team in scoring, and was also named CHL player of the year above many other notable names.
I think in his prime he bottoms out at a 70 pt defensively responsible 2nd liner. I'm kind of thinking a Mike Richards type of player personally.
This is why so many people on HF think Canuck fans overrate Hodgson.
Also, WJC success doesn't mean NHL success. Many on here claim it's a given he will be a star in the NHL because he had a good WJC.
I’ve been watching religiously since 1989, and over the years I have become enamored with the next generation of Canadian superstars. I remember Rob Cimetta’s 7 goals in 7 games back in 1989. Dan Ratushny captained the 1990 team to a gold medal, thanks to the scoring exploits of Dave Chyzowski, Mike Needham and Dwayne Norris. Who can forget John Slaney’s gold medal winning goal on Saskatoon ice
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thanks to the heroics of players like Brent Tully (all star in 1993), Martin Gendron, Yanick Dube, Rick Girard (scoring leaders in 1994), Marty Murray, (scoring leader, Best Forward directorate award in 1995), Jason Botterill (3 gold medals – 1995, 1996, and 1997), Christian Dube and Cameron Mann (scoring leaders 1997).
Did you notice anything odd about that list of excellence?
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When was the last time you heard about Moffat, Moller, Dollas, Waite, Chyzowski, Fiset, Craig, Tully, Murray, Dube or Tkaczuk.
By my admittedly unscientific count, that’s 16 NHL players, and 11 busts. A 59% success rate by Canada’s WJC all stars. A much more in depth analysis would be necessary to determine a success rate for entire rosters over the years, but I’m going to hazard a guess the success rate would be lower than 59% at the all star level.
OHL player of the year and over a PPG in the OHL, not just WJC success. Any rate neither of these guys were top 5 picks so hard to say where they will likely end up at veterns right now. RoR is having a great start for sure, and CoHo hasnt done anything at the pro level as of yet.
OHL player of the year and over a PPG in the OHL, not just WJC success. Any rate neither of these guys were top 5 picks so hard to say where they will likely end up at veterns right now. RoR is having a great start for sure, and CoHo hasnt done anything at the pro level as of yet.
Again go back to the quotes I listed above of CHL players who ripped it up at the WJC who went on to having virtually no pro career.
Rick Girard:1992-93 Swift Current Broncos WHL 72 71 70 141
Yannick Dube:1993-94 Laval Titan QMJHL 64 66 75 141
Martin Gendron: 1991-92 St. Hyacinthe Lasers QMJHL 69 71 66 137
When I say Mike Richards type of player I mean a similar style; if he is ever as good as Richards I'll be thrilled.
Also, all teams to tend to over rate their top prospects a bit. You had a lot of people saying Hodgson was a lock to make the team this year. Personally, I didn't think so at all. And yes, in the prime of his career a think a couple 70 point season for him should be doable (never said consistant 70 pt player). I think he'll top out at a PPG defensively responsible center. I guess I just consider him a lock because of his hockey sense and good shot.. He has the tools and hes smart enough to put it all together.
Christian Dube:1995-96 Sherbrooke Faucons QMJHL 62 52 93 145
All of these guys had amazing CHL careers yet did virtually nothing in the pros.
That's it? Wow, I'm already feeling better about Hodgson.
I personally think he'll top out as a solid second line center but predicting these type of things is pointless. There are so many out side and internal influences on a players career, it seems impossible to predict a players career and down right silly to use other players history to predict a unique individuals career.
That's obviously not it...those are just the ones who put up major points, a lot more than Hodgson and they didn't make it. He's not trying to say Hodgson will bust, he's trying to bring some of these crazy Canuck fans down to earth.
That's obviously not it...those are just the ones who put up major points, a lot more than Hodgson and they didn't make it. He's not trying to say Hodgson will bust, he's trying to bring some of these crazy Canuck fans down to earth.
My favorite part is where he leaves out the list of players who did great in the CHL and the WJC and are now great players in the NHL
That's obviously not it...those are just the ones who put up major points, a lot more than Hodgson and they didn't make it. He's not trying to say Hodgson will bust, he's trying to bring some of these crazy Canuck fans down to earth.
You, along with the rest of HF, are hoping he'll be a bust, that's the real motivation behind threads like these; plain and simple. He's not providing a service to crazy Nuck fans, they are already crazy and cherry picking a few statical anomalies does not an argument make.
The majority of Canuck fans see a great prospect who had an absolutely fantastic year last season (as much as people try to dismiss it) and are excited to see what he can do at the NHL level. People are hoping he can be a solid contributor and stabilize the team up the middle by filling in at the 3rd line center and hopefully eventually take over the 2nd line.
What posters like you and others like to do is extrapolate 5% of the crazy fans opinions, (whom severely overrate all their hometown players) equate those opinions to the entire fan base and then crap on the prospect and the fans. It's just as embarrassing as the crazy fans who grossly overrate the prospect.
That's obviously not it...those are just the ones who put up major points, a lot more than Hodgson and they didn't make it. He's not trying to say Hodgson will bust, he's trying to bring some of these crazy Canuck fans down to earth.
Atleast someone here gets it. I honestly do not want Cody Hodgson to bust. I'm just trying to pull in the reigns of epectations that Canuck fans have placed on him.
You, along with the rest of HF, are hoping he'll be a bust, that's the real motivation behind threads like these; plain and simple. He's not providing a service to crazy Nuck fans, they are already crazy and cherry picking a few statical anomalies does not an argument make.
When did I say that? I hope he does well, it just gets annoying seeing these crazy people spouting about the second comming. Leafs fans do it and are shown no mercy when an overhyped player doesn't live up to the hype.
He's just trying to counter the "he did great in the OHL so he'll be a great NHLer" arguements.
All I mean is that I don't think Hodgson's on another level despite his much greater prospect status heading into this season. It's more of a compliment to RoR than a criticism of Hodgson.
But the Canucks will be happy with Hodgson, I really like the way he plays and was surprised he got sent back to the OHL (Eberle and him will be sick at the WJC though)
