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10-30-2009, 03:05 PM
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NHLPA Suspends Operations, Penny Out

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=296611

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=698237

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What a gongshow, ugh this does not reflect well on the league.
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i've never really followed these events.. so what exactly has triggered all these "chaos" and what happened that needed "investigation"?..

and since nhlpa is a separate entity from nhl, was there any cross-over involvement from the league itself?..
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This is just a massive pile of s*** that is so thick that they can even begin to sift through it...ugh
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between this and the coyote fiasco, its been a treacherous year for bettman and friends
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i've never really followed these events.. so what exactly has triggered all these "chaos" and what happened that needed "investigation"?..

and since nhlpa is a separate entity from nhl, was there any cross-over involvement from the league itself?..
Basically, the owners won the lockout and destroyed the union.

They got Goodenow booted, and the NHLPA has had mishap after mishap ever since.
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What a gongshow, ugh this does not reflect well on the league.
I would think the players look really bad because of this. This might play right into the hands of the NHL when it comes to the next CBA.
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i've never really followed these events.. so what exactly has triggered all these "chaos" and what happened that needed "investigation"?..

and since nhlpa is a separate entity from nhl, was there any cross-over involvement from the league itself?..
NHLPA is completely seperate from the NHL. The chaos started when Warrner decided that Paul Kelly needed to be fired because he was to close with the league. Somehow he managed to get support and I think it was because a bunch of guys that had been in the PA before Kelly didn't really like him (lawyers etc. not players) and conspired to axe him. That's my understanding anyways, I could be wrong.

I wonder if this opens the door to bring Kelly back in? Chelios was a big supporter of his and he is one the four that seem to be in charge now.
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The players who are on the executive share the most blame, IMO. The Kelly firing especially. Making a guy wait past 3am? Shameful.

They need to completely clean house, but they won't. They're going to go into the next CBA negociations and get eviscerated. And they should.
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Basically, the owners won the lockout and destroyed the union.

They got Goodenow booted, and the NHLPA has had mishap after mishap ever since.
Letting Buzz Hargrove get his filthy fingers in that cake didn't help either. Until he's gone, that union will suffer.
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I would think the players look really bad because of this. This might play right into the hands of the NHL when it comes to the next CBA.
No question, it kind of gives the league that second class feel, which I'm no fan of personally.
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"constructively dismissed": the NHLPA's actions regarding Penny developed to the point where he had reason to believe that he was more or less being fired.

Pretty significant in terms of a legal issue...wrongful termination suit, anyone?
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"Last week, the NHLPA executive board voted 25-5 in favour of forming a committee to review union operations."

Any idea which 5 teams/reps voted against forming this committee?
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They haven't suspended operations ... almost though

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...medium=twitter

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Around 1 p.m. EST this afternoon, the following email blast was sent out from FAN 590 in Toronto:

According to Hockeycentral at Noon's Nick Kypreos, The NHLPA has shut down its operations, including the suspension of responsibilities for interim Executive Director, Ian Penny.

Uh, wow. For clarification's sake, what Kypreos actually said on the air:

"I think the last committee that they put together ... they've essentially suspended all operations, including the interim executive director. Ian Penny's been shut down. They shut down the NHLPA."

(Q. So, if you went to the NHLPA today, the door's closed?)

"I don't think it would be closed, but they're not in a position to function on a daily basis. The ombudsman [Buzz Hargrove] has been suspended. The regional guys that represent their divisions have all been shut down as well. I hope this thing comes to a head. You'll probably hear from Ian Penny in some way and form, possibly resigning. ... Effectively, the last few days, it's been clear that he's been constructively dismissed."

Curious phrase, that last one. It was repeated in the NHLPA press release today that refuted Kypreos's claim that the players' association had suspended operations, but confirmed that interim boss Ian Penny is done with the NHLPA.

From the NHLPA:

"Interim Executive Director Ian Penny informed the NHLPA staff and the NHLPA Executive Board earlier today that it is his position he has been constructively dismissed as Interim Executive Director of the NHLPA and can no longer work in the present circumstances. Effective today, Ian Penny is no longer employed by the NHLPA.

"There have been inaccurate media reports circulating today that the NHLPA has suspended operations. The NHLPA staff continues to work very hard on behalf of the players in all areas of the Association's business and will continue to do so going forward.

"The NHLPA will make no further comment today on this internal matter."

TSN adds some additional background, reporting that "Steve Larmer, Dan O'Neill and Ron Lloyd of the NHLPA's Advisory Board resigned Thursday night and legal counsel Paul Cavalluzzo resigned on Friday morning." From TSN:

Last week, the NHLPA executive board voted 25-5 in favour of forming a committee to review union operations. NHL veterans Rob Blake(notes), Nicklas Lidstrom(notes) and Mark Recchi(notes) along with former Detroit Red Wings defenceman Chris Chelios(notes) were named to the committee. Earlier this week, the committee sent out an e-mail to its members outlining their strategic plan.

''We have come through a period of considerable turmoil and dysfunction within the NHLPA,'' stated the e-mail obtained by TSN. ''It is our goal that everything we do now be focused on strengthening and unifying the Association as we move forward to ensure we are in a strong position to enter collective bargaining and conduct our day to day business with the NHL. This review will be conducted independently of those who have worked at the NHLPA during this embarrassing time for the Association.''

In addition to investigating why former executive director Paul Kelly was let go in August, the new four-man group is expected to look into how Penny was able to negotiate a five-year, $3.5 million contract in June.

TSN reports that Penny sent out an email last week saying he had been -- wait for it -- "constructively dismissed" by the NHLPA; it also wrote that, essentially, the association is in a holding pattern while the committee does its internal affairs work.

Well this is a mess. But it needed to be. If this player committee was serious about changing the course of the association, a Great Purge was a good starting point. The real question is whether the players can remove heads from posteriors fast enough to organize before the next CBA negotiation -- a negotiation that a few agents told us during the summer would be a bloody massacre by the well-prepared NHL against the chaotic NHLPA.
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**** the union, non guaranteed contracts here we come... and a lockout right when the Oilers' are starting to hit their stride. Can't wait.
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Let's boil this whole kerfuffle down to the singular question that's on everyone's mind, and see if someone can't answer it:

Does this mean there's a chance we might see a CBA negotiation that could perhaps possibly result in a new agreement that potentially does not guarantee contracts such that if the stars align we could get rid of Horcoff before his 5 year contract is up?
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i hope nhl isn't going down the non-guarenteed contract route..
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Can a collective bargaining agreement remain in effect without a union? Isn't that kind of....i dunno....impossible?
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hockey players are pretty dumb.
If you want to talk about intillect, a lot of them actually are. I bet maybe 5% of them know most of the basic things about the CBA, etc.
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is a non-guaranteed contract like a non-binding contract? that's funny because a non-binding contract isn't a contract to begin with. What the hell type of shenanigans is the NHLPA trying to pull here?
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The NHLPA is a lucrative association, and I'm not surprised by the political BS that occurs; it seems more disfunctional now than ever. Boards and associations are like light is to moths--a congregating place for strong-headed, politically-minded, often self-serving personalities.
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Let's boil this whole kerfuffle down to the singular question that's on everyone's mind, and see if someone can't answer it:

Does this mean there's a chance we might see a CBA negotiation that could perhaps possibly result in a new agreement that potentially does not guarantee contracts such that if the stars align we could get rid of Horcoff before his 5 year contract is up?
Dare to dream, my friend. Dare to dream.
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If you want to talk about intillect, a lot of them actually are. I bet maybe 5% of them know most of the basic things about the CBA, etc.
But that's why you have union reps. How many unionized workers actually know their collective barganning agreement?

I actually think most hockey players are pretty smart. I just think they are naive. Letting Buzz Hargrove in was a mistake. Then there was a series of other mistakes as well.
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