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10-22-2009, 12:45 PM
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Regarding Winter Classic and Flyers matchup

Kind of wanted to pick anybodies brain with this one and was considering and determined that because of tonight's game and being a what if question, this would be a more appropriate venue.

Wanted to run this hypothecial by you guys.

Let's say a fight breaks out tonight. Now I know we don't have the best relationship with Flyers and there is some bad blood between our teams. Say there's multiple fights. This is going to bode well for the three other matchups this year in that we can expect extreme physical play.

I guess my question would be, would a fight break out at the Winter classic? I know the NHL is trying to make money and wants to keep a family oriented atmosphere going. But would the refs stop the fight? My guess would be in the affirmative which would be severely dissapointing. We all know the storied history our beloved Fenway has with fights and I think it would appropriate. My coworkers and I thought there would be no way it would go on. However I wanted to see what you guys would think.
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10-22-2009, 01:14 PM
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my guess is that the teams are told before hand to limit that sort of stuff if they can, but i wouldn't put it past the Bruins/Flyers to see the 1st ever WC fight.
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my guess is that the teams are told before hand to limit that sort of stuff if they can, but i wouldn't put it past the Bruins/Flyers to see the 1st ever WC fight.
Truth. If any team would be involved, it would be the B's.
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the hawks and wings were playing with an edge from the opening faceoff. for the entire first period, and much of the 2nd i had this feeling that the benches would clear at any minute...and nothing happened. nothing really even came close actually. it seemed to me as though they were told to keep it clean. for that reason, i really think that the bruins/flyers will be under SOME form of orders to keep the gloves on.

if they are going to consider this a regulation game with 2 points up for grabs, they should treat it as such and let the boys dictate the pace.
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Kind of wanted to pick anybodies brain with this one and was considering and determined that because of tonight's game and being a what if question, this would be a more appropriate venue.

Wanted to run this hypothecial by you guys.

Let's say a fight breaks out tonight. Now I know we don't have the best relationship with Flyers and there is some bad blood between our teams. Say there's multiple fights. This is going to bode well for the three other matchups this year in that we can expect extreme physical play.

I guess my question would be, would a fight break out at the Winter classic? I know the NHL is trying to make money and wants to keep a family oriented atmosphere going. But would the refs stop the fight? My guess would be in the affirmative which would be severely dissapointing. We all know the storied history our beloved Fenway has with fights and I think it would appropriate. My coworkers and I thought there would be no way it would go on. However I wanted to see what you guys would think.
I hope their a huge brawl in the Winter Classic. Just to show the USA what emotional hockey looks like!


They haven't exactly had the toughest of teams involved in the Winter Classic so far.
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I think it's better for everyone if they keep it clean.
I don't think you want the general public and families tuning in for their first ever hockey game to see a bench clearing brawl.
It doesn't take much for the general public to get hysteric over that kind of thing, and it could backfire and get goody goody NHL to go further in trying to ban fighting.

I've seen it happen in Quebec with Patrick Roy's dumbass goalie turned Justin Timberlake-wannabe son. When he attacked the other team's goalie in a LHJMQ bench clearing brawl, he attracted the attention of the general public, causing up quite a "scandal", until the minister of sports called a ban on fighting in the LHJMQ.

I'm not saying it could go that far, all I'm saying is as hockey fans, we don't have anything to benefit from that (except, obviously for seeing a good ol' bench clearing brawl at the Winter Classic and Gary Bettman's horrified face).
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I think it's better for everyone if they keep it clean.
I don't think you want the general public and families tuning in for their first ever hockey game to see a bench clearing brawl.
It doesn't take much for the general public to get hysteric over that kind of thing, and it could backfire and get goody goody NHL to go further in trying to ban fighting.

I've seen it happen in Quebec with Patrick Roy's dumbass goalie turned Justin Timberlake-wannabe son. When he attacked the other team's goalie in a LHJMQ bench clearing brawl, he attracted the attention of the general public, causing up quite a "scandal", until the minister of sports called a ban on fighting in the LHJMQ.

I'm not saying it could go that far, all I'm saying is as hockey fans, we don't have anything to benefit from that (except, obviously for seeing a good ol' bench clearing brawl at the Winter Classic and Gary Bettman's horrified face).
Why should the NHL always be apologetic about itself?

Fighting has been in the game since its existence, outlawing it in a major event is disgraceful. It makes me think of Slap Shot 2.

What the NHL should market is the fact that even tough their players do fight. You don't see them getting arrested for ****, domestic abuse, and vehicular homicide like the new NFL player each week.

The NHL should embrace the violence of their sport, it is an aspect that sets it apart from all the others (in a good way)
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Why should the NHL always be apologetic about itself?

Fighting has been in the game since its existence, outlawing it in a major event is disgraceful. It makes me think of Slap Shot 2.

What the NHL should market is the fact that even tough their players do fight. You don't see them getting arrested for ****, domestic abuse, and vehicular homicide like the new NFL player each week.

The NHL should embrace the violence of their sport, it is an aspect that sets it apart from all the others (in a good way)
I totally agree with you, I'm just stating that the with the current state of the NHL, if there was any kind of a controversy they'd totally take the apologetic route, not the other way around.
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Why should the NHL always be apologetic about itself?

Fighting has been in the game since its existence, outlawing it in a major event is disgraceful. It makes me think of Slap Shot 2.

What the NHL should market is the fact that even tough their players do fight. You don't see them getting arrested for ****, domestic abuse, and vehicular homicide like the new NFL player each week.

The NHL should embrace the violence of their sport, it is an aspect that sets it apart from all the others (in a good way)
Classic analogy...

And great post...the only people that don't want to see fighting in the NHL are the parents of ten year old kids that happen to have an interest, already in their lives, in professional hockey. I've never been to a bar, restaurant, anyone's house, owned by people my age (20's), or older adults (even when there's people there who don't like hockey) where a fight doesn't get people into the game.

It's pretty much the only time the NHL gets front page recognition, nationwide...show 'em what you got.
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I mean honestly when was the last bench clearing brawl in the NHL anyway.

Could a fight happen, sure.

Would a line brawl errupt, I would be surprised.
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Why should the NHL always be apologetic about itself?

Fighting has been in the game since its existence, outlawing it in a major event is disgraceful. It makes me think of Slap Shot 2.

What the NHL should market is the fact that even tough their players do fight. You don't see them getting arrested for ****, domestic abuse, and vehicular homicide like the new NFL player each week.

The NHL should embrace the violence of their sport, it is an aspect that sets it apart from all the others (in a good way)
Except Patrick Kane right?

haha I think it's something that should be embraced. In the world we live in, people want to be overly PC. In the Seventies hockey was in it's peak and there was a ridiculous number of fights. The only issue I have is that we as a people haved toned down, tuned out, and removed certain things that apparently was in the name of the "general public." There's more violence on television than ever so who cares about a fight? I know why the NHL is doing it, I'm just saying that they shouldn't. I think the fighting is a good thing. It almost allows players to police themselves.

The only concern is when people flip out over clean hits. I.E. Mitchell's hit on Toews last night. Perfectly clean and it shut down an offensive chance for the Canucks because of brawl that shouldn't have happened.
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I mean honestly when was the last bench clearing brawl in the NHL anyway.

Could a fight happen, sure.

Would a line brawl errupt, I would be surprised.
Well yeah, you've got a point. Let's just say "a brawl", but all points remain valid.
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I mean honestly when was the last bench clearing brawl in the NHL anyway.

Could a fight happen, sure.

Would a line brawl errupt, I would be surprised.
Yea, I would never, ever expect there to be a bench clearer. I don't think there has been one in close to two decades.


I just hope there is a few scraps in the game. The past two WC's featuring Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Detroit, and Chicago didn't exactly feature the the toughest teams the NHL has to offer.

I would love to see Cote and Thornton go toe to toe right at center ice. Those guys love to puch each other in the face.
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Yea, I would never, ever expect there to be a bench clearer. I don't think there has been one in close to two decades.


I just hope there is a few scraps in the game. The past two WC's featuring Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Detroit, and Chicago didn't exactly feature the the toughest teams the NHL has to offer.

I would love to see Cote and Thornton go toe to toe right at center ice. Those guys love to puch each other in the face.
hahahaa I know right? Remember that fight PJ Stock had a couple years back? No defense in the fight, just straight punches to the face. That alone would get so many more viewers.

The only thing is the next day on PTI you would be hearing Tony Kornheiser saying the following: "I understand the fight, but is it negatively affecting the game? I mean where do you go for someone to answer the CAWL of the NHL?"
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hahahaa I know right? Remember that fight PJ Stock had a couple years back? No defense in the fight, just straight punches to the face. That alone would get so many more viewers.

The only thing is the next day on PTI you would be hearing Tony Kornheiser saying the following: "I understand the fight, but is it negatively affecting the game? I mean where do you go for someone to answer the CAWL of the NHL?"
Many national media personalities just hate hockey and will do anything to bash it.

This is why I hate the Olympics because for a month after you get to hear them whine about how great the Olympics are because they don't have fighting, blah, blah, blah.
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Many national media personalities just hate hockey and will do anything to bash it.

This is why I hate the Olympics because for a month after you get to hear them whine about how great the Olympics are because they don't have fighting, blah, blah, blah.
Wow didn't even think of that being applicable. Maybe another reason why Bettman is having troubles with the Olympic committee. Good point.
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Many national media personalities just hate hockey and will do anything to bash it.

This is why I hate the Olympics because for a month after you get to hear them whine about how great the Olympics are because they don't have fighting, blah, blah, blah.
Got that right. And then you have stuff like MMA that springs up to fill the fighting void and they're making boatloads of money with it.
At the same time the NHL is trying to get rid of it and go family oriented and get concessions in Vegas.

Move those teams up north, get rid of the instigator rule, get rid of Bettman and watch the profits grow!!
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Got that right. And then you have stuff like MMA that springs up to fill the fighting void and they're making boatloads of money with it.
At the same time the NHL is trying to get rid of it and go family oriented and get concessions in Vegas.

Move those teams up north, get rid of the instigator rule, get rid of Bettman and watch the profits grow!!
haha I know. When ya think about it, Hockey in Phoenix? Ice in Miami? It's just out of place. They could make so much MORE if they bring hockey back to it's roots. The northeast, northern mid west, and Canada. It's casaul fans that make marketing people say that a market could exist for the game.
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