To Atlanta
Brian Campbell
Akim Aliu
2010 1st Round Pick
2010 2nd Round Pick
Its no secret Campbell was pursued by Atlanta his UFA year but chose Chicago despite the fact Atlanta offered more. I don't see why Atlanta still isn't interested given the fact Campbell had a career year offensively and is on pace to have a better one this season.
As for the Hawks, they add Kovalchuk to an already impressive lineup and gain the cap space they need to get the big 3 signed this off season.
Of course this deal would only work if Atlanta cant get Kovalchuk signed or if Kovalchuk has no intentions of re-signing which is a possibility.
To Atlanta
Brian Campbell
Akim Aliu
2010 1st Round Pick
2010 2nd Round Pick
Its no secret Campbell was pursued by Atlanta his UFA year but chose Chicago despite the fact Atlanta offered more. I don't see why Atlanta still isn't interested given the fact Campbell had a career year offensively and is on pace to have a better one this season.
As for the Hawks, they add Kovalchuk to an already impressive lineup and gain the cap space they need to get the big 3 signed this off season.
Of course this deal would only work if Atlanta cant get Kovalchuk signed or if Kovalchuk has no intentions of re-signing which is a possibility.
ok not a fan of either team but this could work there is no telling if HAwks will resign him well they reall cant but what would the lines be then
I don't see why Atlanta still isn't interested given the fact Campbell had a career year offensively and is on pace to have a better one this season.
Because Ron Hainsey is giving them similar production at half the cost, and they will need to roll the dough out for Bryan Little, Zach Bogosian, and Evander Kane while Campbell is under contract.
Not signing Campbell was a lucky break for the Thrashers. They now have very solid depth at offensive/two-way defenseman, the hole Campbell was going to fill has already been filled.
Kovy has yet to re-sign until he sees what the team can do. Now, do you trade him for some low picks, and a decent yet overpaid puck mover. Or, do you keep him and see if you can do well in the playoffs and sign him long term?
Kovy has yet to re-sign until he sees what the team can do. Now, do you trade him for some low picks, and a decent yet overpaid puck mover. Or, do you keep him and see if you can do well in the playoffs and sign him long term?
It's a high risk/high reward situation.
If I knew Kovalchuck was going to bolt the second July 1st hits I would trade him at the deadline and get something in return for him.
Campbell, a 1st and 2nd plus a prospect is a great return.
And what contender can offer more then that if Kovalchuck has no intentions of re-signing with you guys in the off season?
Anyone can offer late 1st and 2nd rounders.
Akim Aliu, there are plenty of teams that could offer a better forward prospect than that.
Campbell has a terrible contract, that is already giving the Hawks headaches. It hurts his value quite a bit. Plus, as I mentioned above, he really doesn't fill a particular need the Thrashers have. The Thrashers would want Top 6 forwards/prospects to fill the hole Ilya leaves in their lineup.
something along those lines. The fact that Kovalchuk is a rental for Chicago doesn't make him any less valuable to other teams. Someone is going to offer a MUCH better package than that for IK.
To Atlanta
Brian Campbell
Akim Aliu
2010 1st Round Pick
2010 2nd Round Pick
Its no secret Campbell was pursued by Atlanta his UFA year but chose Chicago despite the fact Atlanta offered more. I don't see why Atlanta still isn't interested given the fact Campbell had a career year offensively and is on pace to have a better one this season.
As for the Hawks, they add Kovalchuk to an already impressive lineup and gain the cap space they need to get the big 3 signed this off season.
Of course this deal would only work if Atlanta cant get Kovalchuk signed or if Kovalchuk has no intentions of re-signing which is a possibility.
Akim Aliu, there are plenty of teams that could offer a better forward prospect than that.
Campbell has a terrible contract, that is already giving the Hawks headaches. It hurts his value quite a bit. Plus, as I mentioned above, he really doesn't fill a particular need the Thrashers have. The Thrashers would want Top 6 forwards/prospects to fill the hole Ilya leaves in their lineup.
And no GM is going to offer up those types of players at the deadline because they don't have spare parts like that handy. Unless they have an injured star player that will be injured for the rest of the season and they dont intend on having him back for the next I don't see a GM moving 1st and 2nd line guys at the deadline.
Obviously with that said the only other option is to try and trade his rights after the season in which Atlanta will get nothing more then a 5th or 6 round pick.
And no GM is going to offer up those types of players at the deadline because they don't have spare parts like that handy. Unless they have an injured star player that will be injured for the rest of the season and they dont intend on having him back for the next I don't see a GM moving 1st and 2nd line guys at the deadline.
Obviously with that said the only other option is to try and trade his rights after the season in which Atlanta will get nothing more then a 5th or 6 round pick.
I somewhat agree, but the point is that your offer will be the worst to cross Waddell's desk. Campbell's awful contract, late picks, and a so-so prospect won't win the sweepstakes.
And no GM is going to offer up those types of players at the deadline because they don't have spare parts like that handy. Unless they have an injured star player that will be injured for the rest of the season and they dont intend on having him back for the next I don't see a GM moving 1st and 2nd line guys at the deadline.
I am not asking for 1st or 2nd liners, I want bonifide prospects. Like Cody Hodgson, or Grachev with the Rags. Those players are always available for a talent like Ilya, and if you don't have one....you are going to be at a decided disadvantage if Ilya is on the block.
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Originally Posted by Hawksfan2828
Obviously with that said the only other option is to try and trade his rights after the season in which Atlanta will get nothing more then a 5th or 6 round pick.
I have to admit, these comments always crack me up.
The Thrashers are the ones with the valuable commodity, and there will be at least 10 teams if not more interested in Ilya if he comes on the trade market. The Thrashers do not have to take your only offer or lose him to free agency, they will have many different options to chose from.....and will pick the option that Waddell and Dudley feel is the best one for the Thrashers.
And no GM is going to offer up those types of players at the deadline because they don't have spare parts like that handy. Unless they have an injured star player that will be injured for the rest of the season and they dont intend on having him back for the next I don't see a GM moving 1st and 2nd line guys at the deadline.
Obviously with that said the only other option is to try and trade his rights after the season in which Atlanta will get nothing more then a 5th or 6 round pick.
bouwmeester's rights got leopold and a 3rd round pick. i'd care to say that ilya kovalchuk is substantially better than bouwmeester and his rights are worth substantially more.
it doesn't seem out of the question that his rights could garner a 2nd line player and a mid round draft pick from a team with depth.
either way they can trade kovalchuk at the deadline for much better than that proposal
campbell has zero value to atlanta. even with kovalchuk no longer playing full powerplays on the left point enstrom, bogosian, hainsey, and kubina will all still be ahead of him on the depth chart for atlanta's powerplay time. he's not outstanding defensively and at best could take kubina's spot on the 2nd pairing if salmella, kulda, and postma still aren't ready to take on that spot next season. his only value to atlanta would be as trade bait and in regards to his contract that means none.
campbell could be included if needed as a salary dump and i'm sure the thrashers could find some way to re-sign their young talent but he can't be the centerpiece in a deal for the 4th best forward in the league. even as a rental.
Campbell... Hawks fans need to reconcile themselves with the reality that this is a contract that 29 teams are glad, in retrospect, they never offered the player and his representation. It's just not a tradeable contract, short of a 70-point season from Campbell.
That one would try to use him as the centerpiece in a deal to land Kovalchuk is pure comedy.
how about this which would be way more beeficial for both teams
TO ATLANTA:
versteeg
to CHICAGO:
ondrej pavelec
and a second rounder
the hawks have athe makings of a team that can be a dynasty for the next 10-15 years all thats missing is a good goalie...this gives them a good young cheap goalie that can stick with the team for a dynasty run..and they get some cap relief by letting go of a very good young forward but that is where we are deepest...then huet is sent to either the minors or the khl we eat the salary and save the cap hit and have away better goalie for years to come
