From what I've seen of sbisa so far this season, he looks pretty good... Offensively. Defense has been a differant story. I've seen him out of position so much in his own zone at crucial moments. I think another year in the AHL would be perfect for him, but oh wait... He probably won't get quality playin time. He's going to be an amazing defenseman one day, just not righ now.
I find that hes been pretty solid offensively and defensively to be honest.. a few bone head mistakes but hes 19.. too bad he cant even play with nieds.. although i dont think nieds could cover for sbisa it might even be the other way around...
Sbisa has been good so far, however he has made some pretty costly mistakes at times. Minnesota's first goal last night was totally on him. He just needs to learn to make the safe play everytime, I am sure he'll get better as he gets more ice time and builds up his confidence.
Sbisa has been good so far, however he has made some pretty costly mistakes at times. Minnesota's first goal last night was totally on him. He just needs to learn to make the safe play everytime, I am sure he'll get better as he gets more ice time and builds up his confidence.
I actually thought he made the right play just got some bad luck. Whoever it was knocked the puck right out of mid air. Sbisa was trying to use the boards to get the puck forward and the guy made a nice play. It's kind of like eh...what can you do?
I actually thought he made the right play just got some bad luck. Whoever it was knocked the puck right out of mid air. Sbisa was trying to use the boards to get the puck forward and the guy made a nice play. It's kind of like eh...what can you do?
I`m also really impressed by his play, of course he made some unlucky decisions (I`m swiss, so my focus in anaheim games is a bit more on hiller/sbisa, sorry )
i think it`s good to give him not too many minutes in his first games, so he can fit in the team and his position there.
in a video interview (swiss-german, so I don`t link it) he said he has to focus more on his main skill, his speed, so he has more time to overview the situations and make the right decisions. he also loves the fans and the team and thanks lupul and hiller for helping him during his first time here.
btw his most impressive experience was the trade and that he wasn`t informed before
I actually thought he made the right play just got some bad luck. Whoever it was knocked the puck right out of mid air. Sbisa was trying to use the boards to get the puck forward and the guy made a nice play. It's kind of like eh...what can you do?
But he did take a risk trying to jump into the rush behind his pass, not knowing where that pass ends up. IT's one of those things that either works or doesn't where the risk isn't really worth the reward. Kind of like Perry's first goal. The Wild defender instead of just clearing the zone tried to get it to his d partner.
I`m also really impressed by his play, of course he made some unlucky decisions (I`m swiss, so my focus in anaheim games is a bit more on hiller/sbisa, sorry )
i think it`s good to give him not too many minutes in his first games, so he can fit in the team and his position there.
in a video interview (swiss-german, so I don`t link it) he said he has to focus more on his main skill, his speed, so he has more time to overview the situations and make the right decisions. he also loves the fans and the team and thanks lupul and hiller for helping him during his first time here.
btw his most impressive experience was the trade and that he wasn`t informed before
Sbisa has looked skilled and talented. He has played better than most of our d-men and you can add that to the fact that you see he is going to have a really high ceiling if he develops properly.
We could easily see Sbisa, Wiz, maybe Mikk, fighting for 'best d-man' on the squad by the end of the season.
his playing style or his physical skills don't get him into trouble. just a few mistakes every so often and i see no reason to assume he won't learn to limit them. even if he was a terrible defender, if he was 19 i would expect him to get smarter. he'll be great.
Sbisa has been good so far, however he has made some pretty costly mistakes at times. Minnesota's first goal last night was totally on him. He just needs to learn to make the safe play everytime, I am sure he'll get better as he gets more ice time and builds up his confidence.
I put that play on Ryan Whitney as much as Luca... Yes Sbisa left him in a bad spot with a poor turnover but lets be serious. Whitney looked like a ******. He was playing 5 feet off Belanger and totally let him walk the slot. Even if Sbisa got him there Whitney needs to step up and press. But hey that's what happens when you assemble and offensive defense and have not true defensive minded guys.
I`m also really impressed by his play, of course he made some unlucky decisions (I`m swiss, so my focus in anaheim games is a bit more on hiller/sbisa, sorry )
i think it`s good to give him not too many minutes in his first games, so he can fit in the team and his position there.
in a video interview (swiss-german, so I don`t link it) he said he has to focus more on his main skill, his speed, so he has more time to overview the situations and make the right decisions. he also loves the fans and the team and thanks lupul and hiller for helping him during his first time here.
btw his most impressive experience was the trade and that he wasn`t informed before
greets and sorry for my bad english
you should still put the links ! some people on this board understand swiss german.
just warn that it is in swiss german
This has been on my mind a bit when thinking about the Ducks. Its probably going to be an unpopular thought, but whatever.
I think we should send Sbisa back to juniors for the season. Here are the reasons why.
1. Contribution - Anyone who has watched the team play can see the kid has skill. He has speed and skating ability. He certainly doesn't seem out of place on the big club. However he clearly looks uncomfortable at times. IMO, we need someone who doesn't have such a huge learning curve to deal with going forward into the rest of the season. Granted it has only been 7 games. I am sure he needs time like anyone else to get use to his new surroundings. I just wonder why rush him along. Which leads me to my second point.
2. We have ready prospects - Pick your poison. Festerling, Salcido, Mikkelson. More so Mikkelson and Salico, need/deserve a chance to show what they can do over a full season. Salcido has nothing left to prove as an AHL player. He should at least get a shot play a game here and there. Surely he can do what Sbisa has done to date. At worst these guys are 6th and 7th d-men on the team and play limited minutes.
3. The AHL situation - This is clearly a season of a wasted development year for our franchise. Our AHL guys are barely playing and the rest of our prospects are in the ECHL. We are in a situation where we have a place to put Sbisa(juniors). Meanwhile creating more room for two other players in our system to come up and develop directly with the guys in the NHL. It just seems like a no brainer to me from a development standpoint. Sbisa gets top line minutes and the guys who have been in the system for a while get an opportunity to show the team if they have what it takes to play in the NHL. Certainly they can manage the 13 minutes Sbisa plays a night.
Am I off base here? Just seems to make the most sense to me all around. For Sbisa for the team and for the better development of the team as a whole.
I've been thinking the same thing and i believe he will be sent to Lethbridge at some point. We can't justify keeping him if he's not playing atleast decent minutes and play those minutes well. I might keep him for as much as 20 games still, so that he gets more of an idea on what he needs to work on in Lethbridge.
I believe juniors -> AHL -> NHL is by far the best route for a d-man to take, even for those who seem to be able to play in the NHL straight out of juniors. The end product will almost always be better if you do the groundwork properly.
I can understand your opinion based upon Sbisa's play so far. But let's not forget a few things here.
First of all this kid played a ton of preseason games and lots of minutes. Before the Ducks preseason games, Sbisa played also some prospect games. I think Carlyle's intention is to bring him along slowly and doesn't want to overwork him after his heavy preseason schedule. We still don't know if he'll hit the rookie wall after 50-60 games this season, so I'm comfortable with Carlyle's decision.
Also don't forget that our team right now plays bad...really bad, especially Niedermayer. So it's understandable that a young player like Sbisa, who doesn't have the experience, had trouble focusing on his game. Besides that, he needs to learn a new system.
I think in the long run we will profit from this current situation. Sbisa has room to develop at a steady rate and doesn't have the pressure of playing top pairing minutes. (Although I still somewhat hope Nieds can pull his ***** together and play with Sbisa.) This whole discussion reminds me a lot of last year's discussion on the Flyers boards. He's too good for juniors, AHL he can't play (too young) and he's at least 1-2 years away from establishing himself in the NHL. We have to patient with him. He'll make his rookie mistakes, but he will learn from those situations (hopefully).
I see a lot of potential and remain confident that this kid could be our #1 D-man in 5-6 years.
I think that we should send him down this year as well.. we have more than enough guys that are obviously capable enough of filling in his role, and they deserve to i.e salsa, I do think that we should wait a bit though.. give sbisa a couple more games like until early nov or mid nov, before we send him down
I can understand your opinion based upon Sbisa's play so far. But let's not forget a few things here.
First of all this kid played a ton of preseason games and lots of minutes. Before the Ducks preseason games, Sbisa played also some prospect games. I think Carlyle's intention is to bring him along slowly and doesn't want to overwork him after his heavy preseason schedule. We still don't know if he'll hit the rookie wall after 50-60 games this season, so I'm comfortable with Carlyle's decision.
Also don't forget that our team right now plays bad...really bad, especially Niedermayer. So it's understandable that a young player like Sbisa, who doesn't have the experience, had trouble focusing on his game. Besides that, he needs to learn a new system.
I think in the long run we will profit from this current situation. Sbisa has room to develop at a steady rate and doesn't have the pressure of playing top pairing minutes. (Although I still somewhat hope Nieds can pull his ***** together and play with Sbisa.) This whole discussion reminds me a lot of last year's discussion on the Flyers boards. He's too good for juniors, AHL he can't play (too young) and he's at least 1-2 years away from establishing himself in the NHL. We have to patient with him. He'll make his rookie mistakes, but he will learn from those situations (hopefully).
I see a lot of potential and remain confident that this kid could be our #1 D-man in 5-6 years.
I don't disagree with any of what you have stated here. Other than the fact that he will profit from this situation. I don't know the numbers but I would argue that a good 90% of the young d-men who come up before they are 20 never reach their full potential. I just don't think we are in a position on defense to have to rush the kid along. Let him play top minutes and dominate juniors.
My point is we have prospects who can do what he is doing on the ice now. I don't doubt his potential in the future. I just don't see enough out of him to keep him up with the club at the expense of Mikkelson/Salcido/Festerling. Especially with our current AHL situation.
I don't disagree with any of what you have stated here. Other than the fact that he will profit from this situation. I don't know the numbers but I would argue that a good 90% of the young d-men who come up before they are 20 never reach their full potential. I just don't think we are in a position on defense to have to rush the kid along. Let him play top minutes and dominate juniors.
My point is we have prospects who can do what he is doing on the ice now. I don't doubt his potential in the future. I just don't see enough out of him to keep him up with the club at the expense of Mikkelson/Salcido/Festerling. Especially with our current AHL situation.
I would argue that the majority of NHL defenseman who are under 20 are ready for the NHL. We could all sit here and argue all day whether or not a person learns more from dominating one league or from being overwhelmed in another helps development more. If he could go to an AHL team where our organization could oversee his development then that would be the best decision no doubt. But it's not. Let him play on our 3rd pairing rather than develop bad habits and not get better by dominating the WHL.
To me Sbisa looks like he going to develop into a Lidstrom type player. A guy who is a solid blueliner who doesnt make mistakes, coff up the puck and puts up a lot of points in this league. I think he is bound to be an alternate captain somewhere down the road hopefully playin for the ducks. overall for a guy who hasnt played a full season and is only 19 im pretty impressed with his overall ability and hockey sense, a truly gifted player.
I would argue that the majority of NHL defenseman who are under 20 are ready for the NHL. We could all sit here and argue all day whether or not a person learns more from dominating one league or from being overwhelmed in another helps development more. If he could go to an AHL team where our organization could oversee his development then that would be the best decision no doubt. But it's not. Let him play on our 3rd pairing rather than develop bad habits and not get better by dominating the WHL.
My point is based more on the idea of what is the rush with him rather than, what in theory is the best way to develop a defenseman. Personally I think patience is better for any prospect. But that is another discussion for another time.
What I am saying is we have this terrible situation with the development part of our organization right now. We have other defensive prospects getting either no ice time in the AHL or insufficient opponents in the ECHL. Yet we have an opportunity to at least remedy some of that by sending Sbisa back to juniors. Bring and keep Salcido/Mikkelson/Festerling up with the idea that they will get the same development time with the big club Sbisa was getting currently. While also getting true evaluation on if these guys can play at the NHL level.
Overall we have never developed a solid 1-3 NHL defenseman. And I mean never. The closest thing we have is Ruslan Salei and Vitali Vishnevsky. That is truly pathetic. From what I have seen from following the team is we seem afraid to give young guys ice time in the NHL. I would use Salcido as my example of that.
I would just hope we give a one of those three d-man who have payed their dues in the AHL a chance to show what they have to offer.
Sbisa is being developed just fine so long as his confidence is not being eroded and from everything I've heard about him he's quite self-assured.
Smaller minutes can eventually become bigger minutes as we have seen with Getz/Perry/Ryan. He's practicing with NHLers full-time. The whole "he should be playing 20 minutes a game in the W" argument can sometimes hold water but not in this instance IMO as he has outgrown juniors. Sbisa is ready for the NHL but he's just not ready to play 20+ minutes in the NHL yet. But I bet that he will by season's end.
My point is based more on the idea of what is the rush with him rather than, what in theory is the best way to develop a defenseman. Personally I think patience is better for any prospect. But that is another discussion for another time.
What I am saying is we have this terrible situation with the development part of our organization right now. We have other defensive prospects getting either no ice time in the AHL or insufficient opponents in the ECHL. Yet we have an opportunity to at least remedy some of that by sending Sbisa back to juniors. Bring and keep Salcido/Mikkelson/Festerling up with the idea that they will get the same development time with the big club Sbisa was getting currently. While also getting true evaluation on if these guys can play at the NHL level.
Overall we have never developed a solid 1-3 NHL defenseman. And I mean never. The closest thing we have is Ruslan Salei and Vitali Vishnevsky. That is truly pathetic. From what I have seen from following the team is we seem afraid to give young guys ice time in the NHL. I would use Salcido as my example of that.
I would just hope we give a one of those three d-man who have payed their dues in the AHL a chance to show what they have to offer.
I see your point regarding our AHL problems and I somewhat agree. But the question I think that Carlyle and management takes in to consideration is that Sbisa is a much much much better prospect than any defenseman we have in the system right now. We don't have a defenseman in the system or even in the NHL that is capable of being a top pairing puck moving defenseman like Sbisa is. Wiz is the only possible guy who could be a top pairing puck moving defenseman, but he has really only shown offensive promise in the past year which is fine because for defenseman sometimes certain aspects of their games take longer to develop. I think the way management and Carlyle see it is that Sbisa has a skillset matched only by Niedermayer and as early as next year he could be and probably will be way better than Salcido, Festerling, Mikkelson, Mitera, and whoever else we have and we are going to need him to be that good because of the probable departure of Mr. Grey Beard Niedermayer.
Overall we have never developed a solid 1-3 NHL defenseman. And I mean never. The closest thing we have is Ruslan Salei and Vitali Vishnevsky. That is truly pathetic. From what I have seen from following the team is we seem afraid to give young guys ice time in the NHL. I would use Salcido as my example of that.
This worries me, especially when we have a wealth of defensive prospects at the moment. Tverdovsky, Salei and Vishnevsky were all top 10 picks and Salei is the only one who has consistently seen top 4 minutes over the course of his career.
Hopefully it's more to do with the terrible shape the organisation was in back then and it won't affect the guys we have now.
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