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09-20-2009, 09:37 AM
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A nice summation from Kevin

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/article/698301

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No other suitor stepped up with an offer, Chiarelli also confirmed, and that was because no club wanted to yield assets to Boston and then be positioned to suffer Burke's roundhouse right of an offer sheet. Imagine if the Predators swapped Colin Wilson for Kessel one morning, only to see him that afternoon sign the Leafs' offer sheet?
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Burke played Chia like a puppet...
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I don't know how to do the quotes html thing, but on the second page of this article he mentions lucic and wheeler becoming free agents next summer. I heard someone say this on the radio too. I know lucic is RFA next summer, but didn't wheeler sign a 3 year entry contract, which I thought is mandated by the CBA, meaning he wouldn't be an RFA until 2011. Or is it different because he came to the bruins in an untraditional way.

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This came very close, too close for Chiarelli to be comfortable, which is a scenario he can't allow to happen again as Milan Lucic and Blake Wheeler approach their July 1, 2010, restricted free agency.
The same article is in the globe today, http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/...had_no_choice/, where its on the second page. In the Toronto version its about halfway down.

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Burke played Chia like a puppet...
I don't know. As was mentioned, Chiarelli wasn't going to match a $27 million offer sheet, and they got more compensation than the offer sheet would give them.
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Burke played Chia like a puppet...
I think it was more CHIA who worked his way into a corner. If they had a mindset to trade Kessel....It should have been done by draft time. Having said that...This business about Kaberle and we get your pick.. and the miscommunication.

If that was a BURKE ploy to find out if Boston would trade the kid,especially at the draft where it became public. Then yea.....Burkie played him.
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Burke played Chia like a puppet...
Remember...what comes around goes around...

However...we did very well with the draft picks (future looks real good).

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Burke played Chia like a puppet...
Will you still be saying this when the Bruins win the Stanley Cup AND pick top 10 in the draft?
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I think it was more CHIA who worked his way into a corner. If they had a mindset to trade Kessel....It should have been done by draft time. Having said that...This business about Kaberle and we get your pick.. and the miscommunication.

If that was a BURKE ploy to find out if Boston would trade the kid,especially at the draft where it became public. Then yea.....Burkie played him.
I'd like to know who actually leaked that deal at the draft...
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Once the parties exchanged original offers, that was it for Phil.

Chia could have had a 1,2,3 but instead parlayed it into two ones and a two...

In the end though, it truly was Kessel that dictated everything...Chia would never have stashed him on LTIR and cut 5.4 mil from the team as well..
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I'd like to know who actually leaked that deal at the draft...
EXACTLY...Thats what I mean. If it was BURKE....Then it was a %#&$ bag move and he set Chia up.
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Burke played Chia like a puppet...
The puppet didn't give up 2 firsts a second and a third (considering the CHI trade) nor is the puppet on the hook to dish 5+ mil over 5 years to a player that wanted no part of the puppet's team.
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The only reason Burke did not go the OS route is because he had to save face. He would have looked like a hypocrite if he went an OS route to get Kessel after blasting Lowe a few years ago. This way he feels he saves his reputation. Either way he payed a steep price for Kessel. However, giving his leaks to the media he is no saint in this mess.
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09-20-2009, 10:49 AM
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The last sentence of the article is the best, IMHO.

For years the Bruins had or seemed to have had zero clue about what they expected from their players. Everything seemed helter-skelter-by-the-seat-of-their-pants-make-it-up-as-they-went-along.

Enter Peter Chiarelli. Whether you agree with him or not, he has a clear vision of what the Bruins should be and he has hired personnel & coaches who share that vision. The team in turn has gone out & acquired players who fit that vision, either through the draft or by UFA signings.

The exception to this vision was Phil Kessel. He simply did not meet the team's expectations as to how a Bruin should play the game, despite his tremendous goal scoring talent. I think it is better for both the team and for Phil that he was traded. He wasn't going to be happy here no matter how much dough the team might pay him because he simply didn't fit in playing wise. It might even have been better if the Bs had never drafted him- I've always had the feeling that the Bruins weren't exactly overjoyed about getting him, knowing that he really wasn't the kind of player they were looking for but taking him anyway because of a) his potential and b) None of the remaining players in that draft would justify using a #5 overall pick on.

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Will you still be saying this when the Bruins win the Stanley Cup AND pick top 10 in the draft?
I really like the sound of that!

The Bruins really have tremendous forward depth and losing a guy like Kessel would really hurt most teams, it hurts the Bruins in that they don't have a guy who is an explosive player like Kessel is, but they sure do have a lot of guys who can score 20+ goals a year.

If the Bruins can pull off a trade at the deadline to get a player who adds that dimension to the team I would be very happy. I am daydreaming about Kovalchuk in a Bruins uniform for the playoffs!
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alright boys...........knock off the pissin' contest and use your ignore features.
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Enter Peter Chiarelli. Whether you agree with him or not, he has a clear vision of what the Bruins should be and he has hired personnel & coaches who share that vision.
Oh, I would LOVE to know what he was smoking when he hired Dave Lewis.
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alright boys...........knock off the pissin' contest and use your ignore features.
Just cleaned up the mess right as you posted this.

People- next time, REPORT the offensive posts instead of replying to them. It makes more work for us Mods by replying. If you can't resist giving the person a snarky reply, do it in a PM and keep it off of the board.
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Oh, I would LOVE to know what he was smoking when he hired Dave Lewis.
That was a bad hire, no question. But Chiarelli had the guts to realize he made a bad mistake and fired Lewis. I think most GMs around the league would have kept Lewis on for at least another season before axing him simply out of pride.
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That was a bad hire, no question. But Chiarelli had the guts to realize he made a bad mistake and fired Lewis. I think most GMs around the league would have kept Lewis on for at least another season before axing him simply out of pride.
Agreed on all points.
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Oh, I would LOVE to know what he was smoking when he hired Dave Lewis.
everybody makes mistakes, at least chia fix it.

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That was a bad hire, no question. But Chiarelli had the guts to realize he made a bad mistake and fired Lewis. I think most GMs around the league would have kept Lewis on for at least another season before axing him simply out of pride.
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EXACTLY...Thats what I mean. If it was BURKE....Then it was a %#&$ bag move and he set Chia up.
How can you say its a dirtbag move ?

Burke, had he signed Kessel to that offer sheet, would only have had to give up one 1st rounder. He knew that Kessel did not want to play for the Bruins. C'mon thats no secret, and he gave 2 first rounders instead.

You can not question Burke's class on this move.
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How can you say its a dirtbag move ?

Burke, had he signed Kessel to that offer sheet, would only have had to give up one 1st rounder. He knew that Kessel did not want to play for the Bruins. C'mon thats no secret, and he gave 2 first rounders instead.

You can not question Burke's class on this move.
Was it class, or the knowledge that what he did could be done to him by other GMs?
Inquiring minds want to know....
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Was it class, or the knowledge that what he did could be done to him by other GMs?
Inquiring minds want to know....
point is he never did it.
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Getting back to the article, I pretty much agree with the following quotes which sum up the situation:

If he turns out to be one of the game's few elite goal scorers, they missed the mark, badly. If he turns out to be someone more like, say, Maxim Afinogenov, then they just made a very shrewd deal, one that has given them the assets that could be turned into goodies for a long Cup run or transformed into high-end prospects.

If nothing else, all of it also demonstrates that Chiarelli oversees a management team that has a specific, defined way it wants the team to play, identifies who can and cannot execute within that definition and then has the conviction to live with the consequences.

Maybe you don't like their plan, but it's a plan and that has not always been the case.


Even if Phil lights it up in TO this year and thereafter, if we're able to get contributions from Marco and others to compensate during the regular season and pick up a key rental, it might not be so bad.

I think it's a net gain that we have a management team in place that has a rational vision and the guts to stick with it. It's much better than what's happened over the past 30 years, anyway.
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Getting back to the article, I pretty much agree with the following quotes which sum up the situation:

If he turns out to be one of the game's few elite goal scorers, they missed the mark, badly. If he turns out to be someone more like, say, Maxim Afinogenov, then they just made a very shrewd deal, one that has given them the assets that could be turned into goodies for a long Cup run or transformed into high-end prospects.

If nothing else, all of it also demonstrates that Chiarelli oversees a management team that has a specific, defined way it wants the team to play, identifies who can and cannot execute within that definition and then has the conviction to live with the consequences.

Maybe you don't like their plan, but it's a plan and that has not always been the case.


Even if Phil lights it up in TO this year and thereafter, if we're able to get contributions from Marco and others to compensate during the regular season and pick up a key rental, it might not be so bad.

I think it's a net gain that we have a management team in place that has a rational vision and the guts to stick with it. It's much better than what's happened over the past 30 years, anyway.
I agree. Boston still has tons of players who can make up for the production. Dont forget you guys have players like Hamill and Colborne who are not that far away. At least Hamill is not.
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