Islanders Prospect Poll #24

Isles4ever11 · 08-09-2009, 11:56 PM

Same thing as usual...90 Votes today will start #25 tomorrow

Islanders Prospect List

1. John Tavares (F) - Played for London Knights (OHL) - Selected 1st Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
2. Calvin de Haan (D) - Played for Oshawa Generals (OHL) - Selected 12th Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
3. Kirill Petrov (F) - Played for Kazan Ak-Bars (KHL) - Selected 73rd Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
4. Jesse Joensuu (F) - Played for Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL) - Selected 60th Overall, 2006 NHL Entry Draft
5. Aaron Ness (D) - Played for University of Minnesota (WCHA) - Selected 40th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
6. Mikko Koskinen (G) - Played for Blues (FNL) - Selected 31st Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
7. Corey Trivino (F) - Played for Boston University (HE) - Selected 36th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
8. Travis Hamonic (D) - Played for Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL) - Selected 53rd Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
9. Robin Figren (F) - Played for Djugarden (SEL) - Selected 70th Overall, 2006 NHL Entry Draft
10. Rhett Rakhshani (F) - Played for University of Denver (WCHA) - Selected 100th Overall, 2006 NHL Entry Draft
11. Justin DiBenedetto (F) - Played for Sarnia Sting (OHL) - Selected 175th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
12. David Ullstrom (F) - Played for HV71 (SEL) - Selected 102nd Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
13. Jack Hillen (D) - Played for New York Islanders (NHL) - Undrafted, Free Agent Signing
14. Matt Martin (F) - Played for Sarnia Sting (OHL) - Selected 148th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
15. Mark Katic (D) - Played for Sarnia Sting (OHL) - Selected 62nd Overall, 2007 NHL Entry Draft
16. Jason Gregoire (F) - Played for University of North Dakota (WCHA) - Selected 76th Overall, 2007 NHL Entry Draft
17. Casey Cizikas (F) - Played for Mississauga St. Michaels Majors (OHL) - Selected 92nd Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
18. Jyri Niemi (D) - Played for Saskatoon Blades (WHL) - Selected 72nd Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
19. Trevor Smith (F) - Played for Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL) - Undrafted, Free Agent Signing
20. Anders Nilsson (G) - Played for Lulea U20 (SuperElite) - Selected 62nd Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
21. Blake Kessel (D) - Played for University of New Hampshire (HE) - Selected 166th Overall, 2007 NHL Entry Draft
22. Andrew MacDonald (D) - Played for Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL) - Selected 160th Overall, 2006 NHL Entry Draft
23. David Toews (F) - Played for University of North Dakota (WCHA) - Selected 66th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft

Prospect (for the purposes of this poll): (1) Must be under 25 years old, (2) Has played 50 career NHL games or less, (3) Has played no more than 41 games in one single NHL season

2008-2009 Graduates: Kyle Okposo (F), Josh Bailey (F), Frans Nielsen (F)
2007-2008 Graduates: Sean Bergenheim (F), Jeff Tambellini (F), Blake Comeau (F)
2006-2007 Graduates: Bruno Gervais (D)
2005-2006 Graduates: Chris Campoli (D), Robert Nilsson (F)

Added: Doug Rogers (3)
Also Receiving Votes: Tony Romano (2), Jase Weslosky (1), Brian Day (1)

List of Remaining Prospects
Emil Axelsson
Sean Bentivoglio
Jeremy Colliton
Brian Day
Shea Guthrie
Michael Haley
Tyrell Mason
Tony Romano
Shane Sims
Jase Weslosky

Previous Prospect Polls

2005 Prospect Rankings - Prospects are ranked 1-19 (run by former moderator NYIsles1)
2006 Prospect Rankings - Prospects are ranked 1-20 (run by sketchykg)
2007 Prospect Rankings - Prospects are ranked 1-25
2008 Prospect Rankings - Prospects are ranked 1-25

When you vote, PLEASE ADD SOMEONE FOR THE NEXT POLL. All the Islanders prospects are listed above!

ps527 · 08-10-2009, 12:27 AM

Voted Spurgeon add Romano

_illicit_ · 08-10-2009, 10:27 AM

Obviously this is not an exact science, but hearing how high the Isles are on Poulin...makes me think he was totally overlooked here for all the new shiny toys.

Isles4ever11 · 08-10-2009, 10:36 AM

Lee
Add Haley

islandersbob · 08-10-2009, 10:41 AM

voted Donovan
add Weslosky

danteipp · 08-10-2009, 05:00 PM

Gotta go with Donovan here; who would have been selected much higher in the 2009 NHL Draft if he had been born a few month's later or petitioned to defer a year. After Donovan's 2008-09 breakout year in the USHL, following a solid rookie season as a junior in 2007-08, Donovan could be a huge steal for the Isles.

If Donovan puts up a solid freshman year at DU in the WCHA and looks good in tryouts for the WJC team, he should really shoot up the list for next year. IMHO Donovan at No. 24 and (hopefully) Anders Lee at No. 25 would round out a solid top-25, much improved from previous year's lists.

Hockify · 08-10-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by _illicit_

Obviously this is not an exact science, but hearing how high the Isles are on Poulin...makes me think he was totally overlooked here for all the new shiny toys.

That is true.
Also it's a suprise that Reichlitz is going to be so low when he has already played in the NHL last year, got praise from your coach and GM, will play again this year, and some of these guys already ranked above him you don't even know if they will do that much.

Isles4ever11 · 08-10-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockify

That is true.
Also it's a suprise that Reichlitz is going to be so low when he has already played in the NHL last year, got praise from your coach and GM, will play again this year, and some of these guys already ranked above him you don't even know if they will do that much.

Because Rechlicz's ceiling is the floor? He's going to do less than nothing in the NHL.

Hockify · 08-10-2009, 09:54 PM

I didn't say anything about his ceiling I said that he already made the NHL and will be in the NHL again and many of the kid's ranked higher than him might not even do that. If you think I'm wrong and they will all make the NHL fine.

Isles4ever11 · 08-10-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockify

I didn't say anything about his ceiling I said that he already made the NHL and will be in the NHL again and many of the kid's ranked higher than him might not even do that. If you think I'm wrong and they will all make the NHL fine.

I see what you're saying, but disagree. For example, would you rank Wrecker higher than Tavares? Only one of them have stepped foot on an NHL rink. Now, if it was "Who has had the most successful careers?" of the prospects (aka a draft re-do, or something along those lines), I think you have a very valid argument for that reason. But for a straight up prospect poll, I judge it on potential. Rechlicz has none, other than a goon.

GutchBoring13 · 08-10-2009, 10:46 PM

Lee
add...Colliton?

kevin27NYI · 08-10-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GutchBoring13

Lee
add...Colliton?

he went to europe

Hockify · 08-10-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Isles4ever11

I see what you're saying, but disagree. For example, would you rank Wrecker higher than Tavares? Only one of them have stepped foot on an NHL rink. Now, if it was "Who has had the most successful careers?" of the prospects (aka a draft re-do, or something along those lines), I think you have a very valid argument for that reason. But for a straight up prospect poll, I judge it on potential. Rechlicz has none, other than a goon.

The only reason Tavares hasn't played in the NHL yet is that the season didn't start yet!

Rechlitz would definitely do better in a draft re-do since he wasn't drafted at all LOL.

If it's just potential then you might have put a player like O'Marra higher than most of these players but after potential when you get to reality (practical) he is only average even in the ECHL in spite of his draft. (I don't want to bring up old wounds with O'Marra but he is the best example that I can think of for what I mean who is Islanders.) I think that maybe the best way to do this is a combination of potential and practical. Maybe you'll see what I mean better now. But sorry to go off-topic on your prospect poll.

Isles4ever11 · 08-10-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockify

The only reason Tavares hasn't played in the NHL yet is that the season didn't start yet!

Rechlitz would definitely do better in a draft re-do since he wasn't drafted at all LOL.

If it's just potential then you might have put a player like O'Marra higher than most of these players but after potential when you get to reality (practical) he is only average even in the ECHL in spite of his draft. (I don't want to bring up old wounds with O'Marra but he is the best example that I can think of for what I mean who is Islanders.) I think that maybe the best way to do this is a combination of potential and practical. Maybe you'll see what I mean better now. But sorry to go off-topic on your prospect poll.

Oh, no worries. I like the discussion.

Secondly, the thing about O'Marra is when he was drafted he was in the top 3 both of the years he was eligible on the Island. Obviously, now as pretty much a straight up bust, he's stock and value has plummeted. Think about a guy like Dustin Kohn - started in the top 10, then top 15, last year top 20, and this year he's not even going to make the top 25 (barring a shock surprise vote). He's development has stagnated and therefore so has his NHL potential. Raw potential and NHL potential are much different. NHL potential is what you described - combining the raw and the practical.

danteipp · 08-11-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Isles4ever11

Oh, no worries. I like the discussion.

Secondly, the thing about O'Marra is when he was drafted he was in the top 3 both of the years he was eligible on the Island. Obviously, now as pretty much a straight up bust, he's stock and value has plummeted. Think about a guy like Dustin Kohn - started in the top 10, then top 15, last year top 20, and this year he's not even going to make the top 25 (barring a shock surprise vote). He's development has stagnated and therefore so has his NHL potential. Raw potential and NHL potential are much different. NHL potential is what you described - combining the raw and the practical.

Kohn is an interesting example to look at. When he started out he was fairly well regarded, coming off a solid year in the WHL, but didn't develop as fast as one would hope and there have been questions about his work ethic. Last year he was passed by MacDonald, which took some more luster off him.

Kohn did play better at the end of the season and that could be a sign that he has finally started to put it together. I have to believe he will play in the NHL this year, as the second call up behind MacDonald, and he could still make it as a third-pair defenseman in the NHL.

That said, the depth of our prospect pool has also improved significantly over the last several years and has also attributed to pushing Kohn down the list. Personally I think it is a terrific sign that players like Kohn, (probably) Poulin and Spurgeon will fall outside the top-25 and in the "honorable mention" category.

They aren't our top guys but they still have the potential to make it to the NHL if everything clicks for them. We are finally building quality premium talent at the top and still have decent filler at the back. I know Kohn wasn't drafted with the idea of being filler but he still has a chance to do better with a big year in the AHL.