Will The Rangers walking away from Zherdev award (UPD: Rangers decline, Zherdev UFA)

[Little Bunny Foo Foo]

Lower the value of future arbitration awards or have no effect?

[Crazy_Ike]

No effect, this is something the CBA planned for.

It might make players more careful about filing for it, but probably not.

[kdb209]

Originally Posted by Little Bunny Foo Foo

Lower the value of future arbitration awards or have no effect?

Zero effect. If the Rags exercise their walkaway rights, the award and the fact of the walkaway are completely inadmissible in any future arbitration hearing.

Originally Posted by CBA Article 12.9(g)(iii)

(iii) The following categories of evidence are inadmissible and shall
not be considered by the Salary Arbitrator:
...

(G) Any reference to actual or potential walk-away rights;

(H) Any award issued by a Salary Arbitrator as to which a Club
exercised its walk-away rights pursuant to Section 12.10;

[LadyStanley]

And the Rangers do walk away.

[Little Bunny Foo Foo]

Originally Posted by kdb209

Zero effect. If the Rags exercise their walkaway rights, the award and the fact of the walkaway are completely inadmissible in any future arbitration hearing.

Thanks, that's why I asked the question here...

[mouser]

Originally Posted by kdb209

Zero effect. If the Rags exercise their walkaway rights, the award and the fact of the walkaway are completely inadmissible in any future arbitration hearing.

There is one effect, albeit marginal: future arbitration cases wouldn't be able to use Zherdev as a comparable player with a $3.9m contract.

[Crazy_Ike]

Does anyone feel Zherdev will get 3.9m on the open market?

[LadyStanley]

Originally Posted by Crazy_Ike

Does anyone feel Zherdev will get 3.9m on the open market?

This is getting a bit beyond the BOH forum focus and tending towards the "Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk" forum.

(My guess is that the Rangers put feelers out to see if they could get something for him and couldn't find any takers; so I'm guessing not, unless he heads to the KHL.)

[SJeasy]

The only comparable walkaway that I recall was Dumont. He was awarded $2.9mil and ended up signing for $2.0mil. LS probably has the pulse of the issue and I imagine the KHL is a possibility.

[Kezia]

Is he a UFA at the end of his contracts from now on? Or will he be an RFA depending on his age/seasons played?


Thank you in advance to those who will hopefully answer my question

[LadyStanley]

It'll depend on the length of his contract. (Arb award was 2 years; so he's at least two years from being an UFA.)

So if his next contract expires before his UFA status based on age and experience, he'll still be a RFA.

[TheCH]

Originally Posted by LadyStanley

It'll depend on the length of his contract. (Arb award was 2 years; so he's at least two years from being an UFA.)

So it his next contract expires before his UFA status based on age and experience, he'll still be a RFA.

But he is a UFA right now so i would imagine he will take advantage of that. I can't see him signing such a short deal that he would still be an rfa at the end of it.

[Kezia]

Thanks

[mouser]

The responses here are correct that a RFA->UFA could become an RFA again depending on experience in the league.

Wanted to note that Zherdev is only one season away from becoming a UFA anyways. The cutoff is seven accrued seasons in the NHL and Zherdev currently has six [five played + one season credit for the lockout].

[kdb209]

Originally Posted by mouser

The responses here are correct that a RFA->UFA could become an RFA again depending on experience in the league.

Wanted to note that Zherdev is only one season away from becoming a UFA anyways. The cutoff is seven accrued seasons in the NHL and Zherdev currently has six [five played + one season credit for the lockout].

Correct. Just because a player becomes a Non-Group 3 UFA at an early age does not mean that he is not subject to RFA restrictions until they reach actual Group 3 status.

That was why Paul Kariya signed his cheap one year deal with Colorado in '03-'04 (after not being qualified @ $10M by the Ducks). It had nothing to do with selflessness and wanting to win a cup - it had to do with Group V UFA status (10+ NHL seasons and earning < League Average Salary). By signing a 1 yr deal below the league average, he could become a UFA again after that season. If he signed for any higher, he would have become an RFA and not been UFA eligible again until '06 (based on the 31 yo age limit in the old CBA).