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10-02-2006, 03:15 PM
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Karma - Bobby Clarke Style

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http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=3019
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/spo...y/15652498.htm

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10-02-2006, 03:22 PM
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BTW: Baumgartner was the Flyers' prized free agent signing among the defense this summer.
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That's exactly what I was going to quote (and laugh at).
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i wouldn't say its karma, they aren't the only team struggling in preseason, the canucks record is not much better. every team have players that are playing below expectation, and if i'm a GM, i rather those players be the meyers/jones/nedved then my star players.
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10-02-2006, 04:02 PM
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i wouldn't say its karma, they aren't the only team struggling in preseason, the canucks record is not much better. every team have players that are playing below expectation, and if i'm a GM, i rather those players be the meyers/jones/nedved then my star players.
They're beyond struggling. Did you read the part about how some veterans don't realize how bad they're playing? ::cough:: Nedved ::cough::
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10-02-2006, 04:12 PM
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Karma?

when they have to overpay one of their prized youngsters who get an offer sheet, ending up hurting their cap situation... then it'll be karma...

for now, it's just preseason.... lots of teams are struggling... it'd be no different if some FLA fans point to the canucks preseason record, and Luongo's play so far, and scream karma as well...

edit: just to add... it's not like guys like Nedved, Baumgartner and the others mentioned in his comments weren't expected to struggle... that's why they've become either fringe NHLers or journeymen that teams don't bother keeping for too long.
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Karma?

when they have to overpay one of their prized youngsters who get an offer sheet, ending up hurting their cap situation... then it'll be karma...
but thing is.... Clarke's players have got to be willing to sign the offer sheets that are presented to them....
thats the critical ingredient in the equation. Are players willing to screw their own team and Bobby Clarke for a few extra dollars if Clarke decides to play hardball with em?
Nonis or any other GM can offer any player an offer sheet... the important part is it would have to accepted and signed by a Flyer in order for 'karma' to be had.

and based on player comments coming from players who've played in philly... there is no real rush to leave the organization.

i think Karma will come in other forms rather than directly having his RFA's signed to offer sheets...
Bobby Clarke should do an episode of My Name is Earl....
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but thing is.... Clarke's players have got to be willing to sign the offer sheets that are presented to them....
thats the critical ingredient in the equation. Are players willing to screw their own team and Bobby Clarke for a few extra dollars if Clarke decides to play hardball with em?
Nonis or any other GM can offer any player an offer sheet... the important part is it would have to accepted and signed by a Flyer in order for 'karma' to be had.

and based on player comments coming from players who've played in philly... there is no real rush to leave the organization.

i think Karma will come in other forms rather than directly having his RFA's signed to offer sheets...
Bobby Clarke should do an episode of My Name is Earl....
most players would sign their RFA offers... it's not a guarantee that they'd even move to the team they sign with... but if they can get a substantial jump in their pay, it's in their interests to sign.

These guys top loyalty isn't to the team - it's to themselves and their family... Kesler didn't do anything wrong with accepting that offer, and I've said it many times before, I don't see anyone on the team upset at Kesler for signing.

A player coming off a rookie contract who's up for a minor increase in salary, it's a no-brainer to sign a much higher deal... their future contracts are also impacted by doing this as well, as it raises the bar for the player permanently, as long as they continue to play at least as good as they already are.

Sakic's loyalty to his team was never questioned either when he signed with the Rangers. I doubt that Richards or Carter's loyalty is questioned, or is even an issue here either... if they're presented with substantially more money, they will sign it... their agents will be pressuring them to as well, as will their own teammates and members of the NHLPA.
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10-02-2006, 04:56 PM
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Karma?

when they have to overpay one of their prized youngsters who get an offer sheet, ending up hurting their cap situation... then it'll be karma...
So their current 'chemistry' has nothing to do with Karma?
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So their current 'chemistry' has nothing to do with Karma?
if this has anything to do with Karma, it's in reference to Clarke being an idiot signing Baumer to a $1.2mill/yr deal, and acquiring a guy like Nedved - who's current disappointment is hardly surprising.

I assume when you bring up Karma and Clarke here on the canucks board, you're suggesting that the flyers play right now has something to do with Kesler's offer sheet?

I don't see how that fits... Philly is hardly the only team right now showing no signs of chemistry. What do you blame their problems on? karma?
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if this has anything to do with Karma, it's in reference to Clarke being an idiot signing Baumer to a $1.2mill/yr deal, and acquiring a guy like Nedved - who's current disappointment is hardly surprising.

I assume when you bring up Karma and Clarke here on the canucks board, you're suggesting that the flyers play right now has something to do with Kesler's offer sheet?

I don't see how that fits... Philly is hardly the only team right now showing no signs of chemistry. What do you blame their problems on? karma?
Never mind. I don't have time to explain how Karma works.
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Never mind. I don't have time to explain how Karma works.
Are we talking instant karma, or the kind that has to percolate?
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