You are incorrect. Name one player outside of Crosby and Ovechkin that you'd rather have on your team. Guess what, you can't
Heh, you are new to these boards. I bet he and others could and would. They would embarrass themselves by doing it, but never underestimate some of the dumb things that can and are said on this board.
Malkin, Eaton, and Pittsburgh's 2010 1st Rounder to Chicago for Sharp, Versteeg, and Seabrook. The salaries match out, and the deal would make so much sense for both teams:
The heart of the deal is Malkin, obviously, but Staal is a legit 2nd liner and deserves the minutes, but he's too character to trade. And Crosby needs wingers... well, imagine this lineup:
Keith - Campbell
Barker - Eaton
Hjalmarsson - Sopel
Huet/Niemi
Isn't a bad lineup either. It's cap-friendly, could leave them almost $7 million next year to sign Madden, Eaton, Ladd, and Eager, or else making room for a couple prospects while signing someone else. That's not to mention having 2 first round picks in what many seem to think could be the last stacked draft for a while.
Malkin, Eaton, and Pittsburgh's 2010 1st Rounder to Chicago for Sharp, Versteeg, and Seabrook. The salaries match out, and the deal would make so much sense for both teams:
The heart of the deal is Malkin, obviously, but Staal is a legit 2nd liner and deserves the minutes, but he's too character to trade. And Crosby needs wingers... well, imagine this lineup:
No, it's not, because the 3rd line looks like ass (Talbot doesn't have the size or strength to be a legitimate 3rd line center to match-up and neutralize opposing scoring centers; Guerin is slow and defensively inept; Fedotenko sucks at everything), the 2nd line is unproven with Staal in a scoring capacity and a big step down from Malkin and two scrubs, and we just traded the 2nd best center in the league to an already great team for two wingers they can live without on account of their ridiculous depth at the position this year. Seabrook's great, but Eaton can more than handle top-4 complementary duty for Chicago.
You just gave Chicago their first Cup since '61. We have no desire to do that and simultaneously help them out of their cap quagmire next year.
What makes sense is for the reigning Cup-winner to keep the reigning Art Ross and Conn Smythe winner, odd as that seems to most posters here.
Malkin, Eaton, and Pittsburgh's 2010 1st Rounder to Chicago for Sharp, Versteeg, and Seabrook. The salaries match out, and the deal would make so much sense for both teams:
The heart of the deal is Malkin, obviously, but Staal is a legit 2nd liner and deserves the minutes, but he's too character to trade. And Crosby needs wingers... well, imagine this lineup:
Keith - Campbell
Barker - Eaton
Hjalmarsson - Sopel
Huet/Niemi
Isn't a bad lineup either. It's cap-friendly, could leave them almost $7 million next year to sign Madden, Eaton, Ladd, and Eager, or else making room for a couple prospects while signing someone else. That's not to mention having 2 first round picks in what many seem to think could be the last stacked draft for a while.
This proposal ****ing sucks.
Would you make this same stupid proposal for Ovechkin or Crosby and think it's fair? Those 2nd and 3rd Pens lines look crap. I fail to see how the Pens lineup = another cup while the Hawks lineup = "isn't a bad lineup either", on paper if either of those teams is getting a cup it's the Hawks.
"the deal would make so much sense for both teams", not on this planet it wouldn't. "Crosby needs wingers" funnily enough we heard this same stupid **** last year all the way up until Sid lifted the cup over his head. I can see poor Sid is really struggling with his current wing situation, he only has 63 points in 50 games. The solution to any of the Pens wing problems isn't dealing our 23 year old superstar Conn Smythe winner, anyone who thinks trading the guy who at such a young age won the Conn Smythe for us just last year is loopy to put it nicely.
I don't want to be ****ing on about how great Pens players are, but people need to get this through their head. Our superstar Conn Smythe winner is not on the table. Next time anyone thinks oh I have a really good proposal for Malkin, take a moment and think if my team had a superstar Conn Smythe winner, would we even want to entertain the idea of moving him? and the answer for anyone with a clue would be no, of course not. Nobody wants to think like that, everyone wants to think how they can get a Malkin, the answer is you can't. Why do people think that because we have Crosby, Malkin is expendable or something? every GM would be over the freakin moon to have just one of these guys, and yet people think because the Pens have two that one should be expendable? no it just means Shero and the Pens and Pens fans went over the freakin moon, then turned around and jumped back over it again. Why do people think the defending cup champions would even think for a second about moving their Conn Smythe winner?
Great deal both ways is Versteeg, Duncan Keith, Cam Barker for Malkin, Letang a 2nd rounder and w/e salary balance is needed to pass the deal .
Talk about 2 teams that match up talent wise and can help each other out cap wise to stay intact "for now"
Malkin > Keith
Personally I think Letang's value > Versteeg, happy to be told otherwise because I'm probably being a homer. Even if Versteeg is of higher value, it doesn't make up for the difference between Keith and Malkin. Keith is fantastic sure, generational type talent he is not.
We don't need Barker, I'm not entirely sure if I would give up a 2nd for Barker, even if I would it doesn't make up for the rest of the deal.
Meanwhile our 2nd/3rd lines would now look like garbage. Cooke-Staal-Guerin second line does not a stanley cup winner make.
In closing, your proposal sucks also. People like you don't seem to realize, if it wasn't for us hockey fans being so fortunate right now to have Sid and Ovechkin and Malkin in the league, Malkin would be the absolute creme of the crop of this sport. He would be who everyone talked about, he would be the one people make stupid threads anointing him as better than previous legends of the game. Having OV and Crosby in the league doesn't change the fact that he is that talented, it just means we are fortunate enough to have three guys of that level around.
Why do people think that because we have Crosby, Malkin is expendable or something? every GM would be over the freakin moon to have just one of these guys, and yet people think because the Pens have two that one should be expendable? no it just means Shero and the Pens and Pens fans went over the freakin moon, then turned around and jumped back over it again. Why do people think the defending cup champions would even think for a second about moving their Conn Smythe winner?
Could it be that you have nearly 30% of your cap tied into two players?
That is actually a pretty good deal IMO. Sure Pit would want a little something extra just because of what awards Malkin has won and knowing they would be giving up a 100+ point player. However, that isn't that far off from being a great blockbuster deal.
Why is it deals involving Crosby and Ovechkin are the most ridiculously loaded proposals possible, but then deals involving Malkin frequently have him being dealt for a couple of 2nd line players and a good defenseman?
Malkin, Eaton, and Pittsburgh's 2010 1st Rounder to Chicago for Sharp, Versteeg, and Seabrook. The salaries match out, and the deal would make so much sense for both teams:
The heart of the deal is Malkin, obviously, but Staal is a legit 2nd liner and deserves the minutes, but he's too character to trade. And Crosby needs wingers... well, imagine this lineup:
Keith - Campbell
Barker - Eaton
Hjalmarsson - Sopel
Huet/Niemi
Isn't a bad lineup either. It's cap-friendly, could leave them almost $7 million next year to sign Madden, Eaton, Ladd, and Eager, or else making room for a couple prospects while signing someone else. That's not to mention having 2 first round picks in what many seem to think could be the last stacked draft for a while.
This only works if you don't want the Pens to win another Cup in the near future, which you clearly do so good job!
This is a very interesting comparison but i would say that Malkin's value is a level above Weber but i believe that a trade like this would really help the Pens as they would still have a great combo at center with Crosby and Staal and would add just an absolute stud on the blueline but man it would be real difficult to give up a generational talent like Malkin for anybody especially since he's already locked up long term.
Its totally far-fetched and hypothetical, but has its merits. Pittsburgh gets a young, legit no.1 D-man. The penguins save money by letting Gonchar walk in the offseason and promoting Jordan Staal to 2nd line duty. They also get to pursue a decent top 6 winger or two with the saved Malkin salary. It hurts to lose Malkin but you also fill 2 big holes in the process. By shipping Malkin out west, he doesn't get to burn you too bad during the season or hurt you in the playoffs.
Nashville gets a bona-fide superstar that will go a long way towards keeping a strong following for the team, not to mention the direct injection of elite offense. Malkin gets to be "the man" on his own squad and the western conference gets a big time star. The Preds depth on D should be able to absorb the loss of Weber(although its still gonna hurt to lose him)....it might need some tweaking to get value just right, but its close I think...hey, flame away if you feel so inclined, but read it and think about it first.
Could it be that you have nearly 30% of your cap tied into two players?
When those two players are two of the three best players in the league you sit fat and happy with the conundrum and worry about the other players on the roster.
Malkin isn't going anywhere until his contract is winding down at the soonest and Crosby has all the appearance of a lifer, even at this early stage of his career.
Could it be that you have nearly 30% of your cap tied into two players?
And it yielded a Stanley Cup.
Having 30% of ones cap tied into two players only becomes an issue that needs addressing when the situation doesn't work. The fact that they won the Cup (and are top 4 in the Conference again this year) proves it does.
I remember a thread involving PIT/NYR deal involving malkin(Around a year ago this time)
To New York:
Malkin
To Pitt:
Lundqvist
Staal
Zherdev
Del Zotto
NYR 1st
NYR 2nd
And i remember Pens fans were saying it wasnt enough they were need more....so i can see weber straight up for him would never happen
On the other end of the scale I remember a Rangers fan telling me that not only would Malkin not be enough for Jagr but that it would take much much more than Malkin to obtain Jagr.
I remember a thread involving PIT/NYR deal involving malkin(Around a year ago this time)
To New York:
Malkin
To Pitt:
Lundqvist
Staal
Zherdev
Del Zotto
NYR 1st
NYR 2nd
And i remember Pens fans were saying it wasnt enough they were need more....so i can see weber straight up for him would never happen
We didn't and don't need Lundquist because of Fleury, Zherdev crapped the bed in the playoffs then bolted for the KHL, and already have 3 offensive defensemen (2 of the young variety). The only known asset of yours that would've helped us is Staal.
Meanwhile we all know what Malkin did last year.
In hindsight, Pens fans were right. People will look at this thread the same way next year.
Kesler, Hodgson, Schroeder, Edler, Raymond for Malkin
I wouldnt do it as a Canucks fan but how is it
it's not great, once Raymond and Kesler get their new deals the salary of Edler, Raymond and Kesler >> Malkin. Schroeder is a nice prospect and Hodgson to but his injury hasn't exactly increased his value.
