09-10 Sharks vs. 08-09 Sharks

[Gilligans Island]

Originally Posted by ThorntonFan19

Before i agree to disagree, Vlasic did absolutely fine against Iginla. Also the Morrow-Ribiero line wasnt matched up against Pickles, it was matched up against Ehrhoff (and i dont know why).

Also could tell me how our long term future looks at D if Vlasic was gone? That would not look pretty. We can't just completely screw our future.

now i agree to disagree

Well, I'd have to go back and look at games against the Flames but I'm positive that last year vs. the Ducks in the playoffs wasn't the first time that Pickles looked really scared and got manhandled by big, aggressive forwards. I'm recall many fans here on this board wondering what happened to Pickles... AND, Ehrhoff sat out the 1st 2 games due to a badly sprained ankle in the 2nd to last game or so vs. the Kings. They had to rush him back into the lineup b/c our defense was getting worked by the Flames.

Also, pls don't put words in my mouth - I never advocated trading Pickles now, especially with Ehrhoff gone, for nothing. IF we ever do, we'd better get a legit 2/3 dman back.

[Pinkfloyd]

I would not have had a problem dealing Vlasic instead of Ehrhoff but the timing in which the trade was done was horrific and forced a crappy return value. Being able to dump Lukowich is fine but getting what will amount to a late 2nd round pick to do it is just crap. I would have rather dealt either of them much earlier for value and waive Lukowich to Worcester as opposed to what they ended up doing.

This team the way it is currently set up would be better with Ehrhoff instead of any one of Blake, Murray, Huskins, or Vlasic. The things that are needed in the playoffs are all things that Ehrhoff excels at now and things that Vlasic does terribly right now. Murray has the compete factor and the net presence factor but is non-existent offensively. Murray is not a #4 and the fact that everyone here pretty much agrees that is what we need is and should be a reason why Murray should have been dealt long before Ehrhoff.

Ehrhoff is pretty damn good on the power play and pretty damn good in his own zone come playoff time and against the bigger guys whereas Vlasic is abysmal in both areas. I can definitely agree that Vlasic has the potential to be better than Ehrhoff in both regards but he isn't now and he's not going to be for another 3 years...when the team will have goaltending issues and potential issues at the #1 d-man spot currently held down by Boyle and the 3 and 4 spots.

The people arguing that he was the odd man out and we should be paying a #5 guy #5 money seem to forget that Murray was just as much a part of this equation as Ehrhoff, Vlasic, and Blake. Trading Ehrhoff or Vlasic would have and is a huge mistake when Murray is making 2.5 and Blake is on his last legs making 3.5.

I would have traded Vlasic before Ehrhoff but this off-season, I would have traded neither and I would have let Blake retire or moved both Murray and Clowe before moving either but that is Doug Wilson's call and in my view his mistake.

[marc-edouard grier]

Originally Posted by Gilligans Island

Well, I'd have to go back and look at games against the Flames but I'm positive that last year vs. the Ducks in the playoffs wasn't the first time that Pickles looked really scared and got manhandled by big, aggressive forwards. I'm recall many fans here on this board wondering what happened to Pickles... AND, Ehrhoff sat out the 1st 2 games due to a badly sprained ankle in the 2nd to last game or so vs. the Kings. They had to rush him back into the lineup b/c our defense was getting worked by the Flames.

Also, pls don't put words in my mouth - I never advocated trading Pickles now, especially with Ehrhoff gone, for nothing. IF we ever do, we'd better get a legit 2/3 dman back.

Very true, and is borne out in the record of the team during that series:
1st 3 games against Calgary: 1-2 -> he was out injured
Next 4 games: 3-1 -> when he was playing after being rushed back from injury

And from watching those games, his return was the catalyst for that, as it gave us an offensively-minded defenseman that wasn't the ***** that is Brian Campbell.

[ThorntonFan19]

Originally Posted by Pinkfloyd

I would not have had a problem dealing Vlasic instead of Ehrhoff but the timing in which the trade was done was horrific and forced a crappy return value. Being able to dump Lukowich is fine but getting what will amount to a late 2nd round pick to do it is just crap. I would have rather dealt either of them much earlier for value and waive Lukowich to Worcester as opposed to what they ended up doing.

This team the way it is currently set up would be better with Ehrhoff instead of any one of Blake, Murray, Huskins, or Vlasic. The things that are needed in the playoffs are all things that Ehrhoff excels at now and things that Vlasic does terribly right now. Murray has the compete factor and the net presence factor but is non-existent offensively. Murray is not a #4 and the fact that everyone here pretty much agrees that is what we need is and should be a reason why Murray should have been dealt long before Ehrhoff.

Ehrhoff is pretty damn good on the power play and pretty damn good in his own zone come playoff time and against the bigger guys whereas Vlasic is abysmal in both areas. I can definitely agree that Vlasic has the potential to be better than Ehrhoff in both regards but he isn't now and he's not going to be for another 3 years...when the team will have goaltending issues and potential issues at the #1 d-man spot currently held down by Boyle and the 3 and 4 spots.

The people arguing that he was the odd man out and we should be paying a #5 guy #5 money seem to forget that Murray was just as much a part of this equation as Ehrhoff, Vlasic, and Blake. Trading Ehrhoff or Vlasic would have and is a huge mistake when Murray is making 2.5 and Blake is on his last legs making 3.5.

I would have traded Vlasic before Ehrhoff but this off-season, I would have traded neither and I would have let Blake retire or moved both Murray and Clowe before moving either but that is Doug Wilson's call and in my view his mistake.

Yes but trading Ehrhoff over Murray did save .5 million which seems like a little, but I dont think it would not have let the sharks stay under the cap. Also without Murray our team looses half of its physicallity.

This convo is going way too long for me, I think im out

[ThorntonFan19]

Originally Posted by Gilligans Island

Well, I'd have to go back and look at games against the Flames but I'm positive that last year vs. the Ducks in the playoffs wasn't the first time that Pickles looked really scared and got manhandled by big, aggressive forwards. I'm recall many fans here on this board wondering what happened to Pickles... AND, Ehrhoff sat out the 1st 2 games due to a badly sprained ankle in the 2nd to last game or so vs. the Kings. They had to rush him back into the lineup b/c our defense was getting worked by the Flames.

Also, pls don't put words in my mouth - I never advocated trading Pickles now, especially with Ehrhoff gone, for nothing. IF we ever do, we'd better get a legit 2/3 dman back.

Actually i meant intead of Ehrhoff.

Anyway sorry i assumed you would have

[Pinkfloyd]

Originally Posted by ThorntonFan19

Yes but trading Ehrhoff over Murray did save .5 million which seems like a little, but I dont think it would not have let the sharks stay under the cap. Also without Murray our team looses half of its physicallity.

This convo is going way too long for me, I think im out

The 600k difference could've easily been made up for elsewhere like in not bringing in Huskins and instead used Joslin or not bringing in Malhotra or not re-signing Mitchell or Clowe to stupid contracts. lol