The critics aided in the film's buzz, which to me is different than Hype. Hype tells you a movie or a player or a team is going to be great. Buzz tells you whether or not it's actually true.
That's a very useful distinction! I'm totally stealing it!
First, for those disappointed that this is not more like the graphic novel The Dark Knight Returns, despite the similar titles, they have nothing in common. These last two Batman films borrow more from Miller/Mazzuchelli's Batman: Year One and Loeb/Sale's The Long Halloween and Dark Victory. The latter two especially show how Batman worked together with Gordon and Dent to take down the Gotham mob in an almost totally corrupt city, and how the power-vacuum that left behind allowed the Joker and the other crazies to move in and take over the Gotham underworld. "I believe in Harvey Dent" also comes from Loeb/Sale.
Possible villain foreshadowing for next movie:
Catwoman: From the exchange about making the Bat-suit dog-proof (forgot the exact line)
Mad Hatter: Remember the Joker gang member Dent tried to get information out of at gunpoint? Batman explained he was "Jervis Tetch, a paranoid schizophrenic". Jervis Tetch just happens to be the Mad Hatter's real name.
The Riddler: What's the biggest riddle in Gotham? "Who is Batman?" Well, we already have someone who solved that riddle and he's also unethical. Mr. Reese=Mysteries=Enigmas=E. Nigma=The Riddler
The Dark Knight is just a nickname for Batman. Along with Caped Crusader and some others.
Hey good theory. I never picked up on the MR. REESE = mysteries. Which is an enigma. But the Riddler's name is Edward Nigma not Reese. Unless that name is fake. And god they could get a better actor than some dude named Joshua Harto to play him.
And regarding the Dog References, he just made them because those dogs mauled him when he captured the Scarecrow at the beginning of the film. He wanted the suit dog proof. I don't think that has anything to do with Catwoman.
And that dude with the big nose in the ambulance who Harvey wanted to shoot. He totally looked like Jervis Tetch the Mad Hatter. I didn't pick up on Batman naming him though. I think a Riddler/Mad Hatter team up to **** with Batman would be great for the next movie. And Catwoman should be a prostitute like in the comic.
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Absolutely agree!!! Ne Le Dis A Personne is a wonderful film. I have seen it a couple times
Nice to see another cinema fan out there. Your link doesn't show up correctly. Is it a trailer for the film?
A few more notes:
Even though I hate Romantic Drama, I loved Brideshead Revisited. I saw the upcoming Woody Allen flick and it's his best effort in years. Match Point was good but wasn't a Woody film. This is a Woody film, even if it is Woody-Lite. Encounters at the End of the World is also worth a watch.
I'm pretty sure that was one of the few parts of the movie where they used CGI
I hope you are being sarcastic.
Good movie, pretty violent, probably should have been rated R. In the screening I was in there were some pretty young kids.
I really like the sophisticated take on Batman/Joker that somewhat mirrors society today and while I find it fantastic, this movie does have a ton of kid appeal.
Not sure how many people on the board have kids, but after discussing the movie that is also what I walked away thinking.
Nice to see another cinema fan out there. Your link doesn't show up correctly. Is it a trailer for the film?
A few more notes:
Even though I hate Romantic Drama, I loved Brideshead Revisited. I saw the upcoming Woody Allen flick and it's his best effort in years. Match Point was good but wasn't a Woody film. This is a Woody film, even if it is Woody-Lite. Encounters at the End of the World is also worth a watch.
Have you read 'Tell No One'? Isn't it a bit unusual for an American bestselling novel to get turned into a french film first? I have Coben's 'Hold Tight', which came out about 2 months ago. Funny thing is, the protag is a former Rangers prospect who played for the Wolf Pack and one game for the Rangers before becoming a surgeon. However, I think Coben's NYR research is off. Chances are, the protag would have probably played for the Binghamton Rangers rather than the Pack.
Have you read 'Tell No One'? Isn't it a bit unusual for an American bestselling novel to get turned into a french film first? I have Coben's 'Hold Tight', which came out about 2 months ago. Funny thing is, the protag is a former Rangers prospect who played for the Wolf Pack and one game for the Rangers before becoming a surgeon. However, I think Coben's NYR research is off. Chances are, the protag would have probably played for the Binghamton Rangers rather than the Pack.
Didn't read it. Didn't even know it was based on an American novel. It's funny to think sometimes how little I know about so many things.
I read almost exclusively non-fiction books, newspapers, magazines etc. Used to read fiction but mostly sci-fi and horror. Same thing with film, actually. A lot of my fave films are documentaries, for example, most of Errol Morris' work.
Current fave American film of all-time remains Goodfellas, to me, a flawless movie. Current foreign language film of all-time is probably Umberto D. Ask me tomorrow and the answers might be quite different.
To give you another insight into my tastes, I loved the movie Happiness. After I saw it I told everyone I knew that Phillip Seymour Hoffman would one day win an Oscar.
Glad to have this break from arguing whether a player deserves 2.2 or 2.3 million.
Didn't read it. Didn't even know it was based on an American novel. It's funny to think sometimes how little I know about so many things.
I read almost exclusively non-fiction books, newspapers, magazines etc. Used to read fiction but mostly sci-fi and horror. Same thing with film, actually. A lot of my fave films are documentaries, for example, most of Errol Morris' work.
Current fave American film of all-time remains Goodfellas, to me, a flawless movie. Current foreign language film of all-time is probably Umberto D. Ask me tomorrow and the answers might be quite different.
To give you another insight into my tastes, I loved the movie Happiness. After I saw it I told everyone I knew that Phillip Seymour Hoffman would one day win an Oscar.
Glad to have this break from arguing whether a player deserves 2.2 or 2.3 million.
You sir have good taste in films
Whats your fave Errol Morris? 'Thin Blue Line' for me...though 'Gates of Heaven' is just a priceless piece of Americana.
Btw, Goodfellas is my fave movie all time. Then again, watching that flick is like watching my childhood, my Grandfather knew alot of those 'wiseguys'
Whats your fave Errol Morris? 'Thin Blue Line' for me...though 'Gates of Heaven' is just a priceless piece of Americana.
Btw, Goodfellas is my fave movie all time. Then again, watching that flick is like watching my childhood, my Grandfather knew alot of those 'wiseguys'
Probably "Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter, Jr." but I change my mind a lot. He is the only documentarian I'm aware of that can make a documentary into a work of art. He is a great director. I was disappointed in his last film.
I knew a lot of the types portrayed in Goodfellas and it is clear that it is all written by people who knew how things work. Too many classic scenes to name. I sometimes eat at the diner where they shot a couple of the Deniro-Pesci scenes on Rockaway Turnpike. Great cole slaw and macaroni salad.
Loved the way Goodfellas was strained into the Sopranos also, especially Christopher in the bakery scene.
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