Most accounts I've read, if accurate, have Ottawa wanting a young-ish top 4 dman with puck-moving ability.
Last I checked, we don't have those in great supply.
Tyutin isn't going anywhere.
Russell is too young.
Backman is too expensive.
Klesla probably is not good enough - after all we think so highly of his "puck moving" abilities we added Tyutin and Backman.
If Murray was just shopping for prospects and draft picks, Vermette might be here by now.
Most accounts I've read, if accurate, have Ottawa wanting a young-ish top 4 dman with puck-moving ability.
Last I checked, we don't have those in great supply.
Tyutin isn't going anywhere.
Russell is too young.
Backman is too expensive.
Klesla probably is not good enough - after all we think so highly of his "puck moving" abilities we added Tyutin and Backman.
If Murray was just shopping for prospects and draft picks, Vermette might be here by now.
If Chicago can swing a 3-way deal, you'd think Howson could find someone who might be able to accomplish the same end. I'll give you a hint--start with Tampa Bay who has an abundance of puck movers and needs cap relief and a defensive defenseman.
If Chicago can swing a 3-way deal, you'd think Howson could find someone who might be able to accomplish the same end. I'll give you a hint--start with Tampa Bay who has an abundance of puck movers and needs cap relief and a defensive defenseman.
That would take creativity....something our GM has not shown any bit of.
If Chicago can swing a 3-way deal, you'd think Howson could find someone who might be able to accomplish the same end. I'll give you a hint--start with Tampa Bay who has an abundance of puck movers and needs cap relief and a defensive defenseman.
Not a bad idea, but is Tampa looking to get rid of defensemen? If anything, I think they'd be more eager to pare down some of the massive forward corps they're amassing.
That would take creativity....something our GM has not shown any bit of.
You can't make another GM take something they don't want. Period.
The talent level of this team is a daily gripe around here and yet people expect other GMs to be lining up to get a piece of what we got going on in Columbus.
Not a bad idea, but is Tampa looking to get rid of defensemen? If anything, I think they'd be more eager to pare down some of the massive forward corps they're amassing.
They'll eventually have to get rid of a d-man in order to add another d-man along with getting rid of 1-2 forwards.
And if Tampa doesn't work, what about Toronto? Ottawa is rumored to be interested in Kubina. Perhaps our #1 pick would ensure they get Kubina while getting us Vermette. Suddenly the Sens defense looks pretty good if they add Klesla and Kubina. And maybe we could even find a way to get the rights to Meszaros in that scenario.
A creative GM can find ways to make the pieces fall into place.
The way I feel is that Filatov and Goloubef were two players I didn't expect us to have. I expected our #6 to be traded for a top line center. Now I'd like to see us deal our 2009 1st rounder (if possible) in a deal for a top line center.
See Chicago scares the crap out of me on this because if they're willing to offer Keith, Seabrook or Barker, I can't imagine what Howson could counter with to top it.
You can't make another GM take something they don't want. Period.
The talent level of this team is a daily gripe around here and yet people expect other GMs to be lining up to get a piece of what we got going on in Columbus.
Spot on. Just like you can't make UFA's sign, no matter how good your offer is.
The fact that Howson tells Redden's agent we won't be out bid, and then the same agent doesn't even list us in their final 3 tells ya the uphill road Scott and Ken are walking.
Vermette would be an incredible addition and if he can be gotten for a reasonable exchange, I imagine Howson is exploring that possibility presently.
But realistically, I'm not getting my hopes up. I know Scott will hesitate trade certain young players, and I'm fine with that. I think we've improved our roster over 12months ago, without selling away our future and I'm pretty happy with that.
They'll eventually have to get rid of a d-man in order to add another d-man along with getting rid of 1-2 forwards.
And if Tampa doesn't work, what about Toronto? Ottawa is rumored to be interested in Kubina. Perhaps our #1 pick would ensure they get Kubina while getting us Vermette.
A creative GM can find ways to make the pieces fall into place.
Maybe. I thought about that too. Certainly finding a team willing to take a pick or picks from Columbus would be ideal since that's the best chip we have to offer IMO.
Two potential hold-ups though. Would Ottawa take Kubina's contract and would Toronto be willing to send Kubina to Ottawa? They very well may. Just see those as potential stumbling blocks.
You can't make another GM take something they don't want. Period.
The talent level of this team is a daily gripe around here and yet people expect other GMs to be lining up to get a piece of what we got going on in Columbus.
Read your own comment before you posted this for my response. Be creative, involve other teams
Spot on. Just like you can't make UFA's sign, no matter how good your offer is.
The fact that Howson tells Redden's agent we won't be out bid, and then the same agent doesn't even list us in their final 3 tells ya the uphill road Scott and Ken are walking.
Vermette would be an incredible addition and if he can be gotten for a reasonable exchange, I imagine Howson is exploring that possibility presently.
But realistically, I'm not getting my hopes up. I know Scott will hesitate trade certain young players, and I'm fine with that. I think we've improved our roster over 12months ago, without selling away our future and I'm pretty happy with that.
In a deal for Vermette here is the list of players I would not trade:
Nash, Leclaire, Huselius, Umberger, Tyutin, Voracek, Brassard, Mason. (I probably could even get over trading Mason).
That leaves
Klesla, Russell, Chimera, Malhotra, Boll, Lindstrom, Backman, All other prospects and picks to create a package out of.
Those all may not be appealing to Ottawa, but they could certainly be appealing to a 3rd team. We do have Bullets for someone.
The way I feel is that Filatov and Goloubef were two players I didn't expect us to have. I expected our #6 to be traded for a top line center. Now I'd like to see us deal our 2009 1st rounder (if possible) in a deal for a top line center.
Filatov would be our early present.
I'd be shopping that first rounder all over town right now.
Maybe. I thought about that too. Certainly finding a team willing to take a pick or picks from Columbus would be ideal since that's the best chip we have to offer IMO.
Two potential hold-ups though. Would Ottawa take Kubina's contract and would Toronto be willing to send Kubina to Ottawa? They very well may. Just see those as potential stumbling blocks.
That would take creativity....something our GM has not shown any bit of.
This isnt NHL 2k8 or Eastside Hockey Manager. Kallio is spot on. Howsen has burnt up the phones...but its a little hard to sell poop ya know. But it is starting to smell much better at nationwide since you know who left.
In a deal for Vermette here is the list of players I would not trade:
Nash, Leclaire, Huselius, Umberger, Tyutin, Voracek, Brassard, Mason. (I probably could even get over trading Mason).
That leaves
Klesla, Russell, Chimera, Malhotra, Boll, Lindstrom, Backman, All other prospects and picks to create a package out of.
Those all may not be appealing to Ottawa, but they could certainly be appealing to a 3rd team. We do have Bullets for someone.
i wouldnt move Klesla. if he is moved we would have backman in our top 4. he isnt spectactular, but he is a solid 2nd pairing dman just hitting his prime.
This isnt NHL 2k8 or Eastside Hockey Manager. Kallio is spot on. Howsen has burnt up the phones...but its a little hard to sell poop ya know. But it is starting to smell much better at nationwide since you know who left.
You mean you're not allowed to be creative in the NHL?
Uhhhh...yea. H and H came out long ago and said they wanted to make a lot of moves. And then they both sat staring at the phone...waiting for it to ring. Right on man.
6 new faces so far. Too bad he couldnt get Brule for Thornton done huh?
Read your own comment before you posted this for my response. Be creative, involve other teams
Right, waive the magic wand.
I get what you're saying.
But, two things:
1. who says he isn't.
2. getting "creative" while easy to just stamp your foot and say, is even harder than dealing with one team because now you're bringing a third team into the equation with its own needs, wants, biases and budget. Now you have three teams to satisfy.
While it certainly is possible, it isn't easy and it isn't likely.
The absence of an end result at this time does not mean Howson isn't doing anything.
i wouldnt move Klesla. if he is moved we would have backman in our top 4. he isnt spectactular, but he is a solid 2nd pairing dman just hitting his prime.
I like Klesla a lot, but I think he is replacable. Think of the d-men we have plucked off of waivers.
Steady.... is easy to replace. Heck Methot maybe could do it now.
And we also have the pink elephant in the room that hasn't been noted in at least the last page or so.
Columbus' budget.
Does it exist and how close are we to it?
I suspect it is within reach, pending Leclaire, given some of the comments made publicly by Howson.
I would hope that the opportunity to try to acquire a player like Vermette would fall into the realm where you go and make a case to Priest and co. that this would be a good expense. If the owners aren't signing off on it, then that pisses me off.
And we also have the pink elephant in the room that hasn't been noted in at least the last page or so.
Columbus' budget.
Does it exist and how close are we to it?
I suspect it is within reach, pending Leclaire, given some of the comments made publicly by Howson.
I would hope that the opportunity to try to acquire a player like Vermette would fall into the realm where you go and make a case to Priest and co. that this would be a good expense. If the owners aren't signing off on it, then that pisses me off.
If Vermette is acquired, Malhotra could likely be traded for some room. We'd have an extra forward anyway. Vermette is strong at faceoffs, meaning Malhotra is expendable.
If a long term goal of this team is to be competitive, I'm Howson and say he's a little extra this year and he fits well into our 09 budget... etc.
We are much more likely a playoff team, which can create playoff revenue with him.
Uhhhh...yea. H and H came out long ago and said they wanted to make a lot of moves. And then they both sat staring at the phone...waiting for it to ring. Right on man.
6 new faces so far. Too bad he couldnt get Brule for Thornton done huh?
