When you start saying you're going to spend just $12 million on 3 players after bragging that the players acquired this off-season would be known commodities that fans wouldn't have to look up online, its lowering expectations, no matter how much you sugarcoat it.
Its not my problem either because I can simply stop going to games, buying jerseys and otherwise spending my money on their little investment. If they think they've "lost" a lot of money the last couple years, wait to see how much they "lose" this year.
And Mark Streit is? Which is why the Habs are letting him go after trying to play him as a forward. Right....
Mike Rupp scored a Stanley Cup clinching goal as I recall. Adam Foote was once a "rock" for the Avs when the won a Cup. Commodore's point production fell off a cliff last year and his plus/minus has gotten progressively worse the last two years. How bad was Commodore? Foote had more points and a better plus/minus last year.
The offseason isn't over...as a matter of fact, it's barely begun. Let them make some moves for the love. I know there has to be a way to bend time and space to
work around the July 1st FA period.
You can choose to show your displeasure in any way you choose. If you want to stop coming to games, you will be missed...until your seat is filled. You can stop buying sweaters, your option. What we don't know or will probably never know is what is said behind closed doors. We can only trust that the ownership is going to do what is prudent. I'm sure they felt they needed to hit the brakes on Doug's vision and the money that it required. Now that they have a guy with a little acumen and saavy in his repitoire, they will allow some spending.
To guage Commodore by point production is a great way to judge a shutdown d-man.
Is there a correlation between the Cane's getting worse ride in lock-step with his
plus-minus? Commodore is 8 years younger than Foote, so I don't think you are taking that into account. Is Foote's plus-minus a factor of Pascal and the Hitch system? There are more things to take into account than pure numbers.
Rupp...seriously nice reach. Scoring a tip-in goal as a 4th liner isn't the same as being called upon to be a hard-nose d-man in the playoffs. If that's the basis for discussion, I'm out. I'm not even going to get into that. We should sign him...being from Cleveland and all.
Regarding Steit vs Hainsey: I agree that Streit may not be the best option, but neither is Haisey. Let's agree that there are better options out there that won't break the bank.
I just went over and read Reed's blog post, to see what all the fuss was about, and noticed something: he does not cite any sources - not one - nor does he make any claim that the opinions expressed represent anything other than his own thoughts. He tosses in one phrase in quotes from Hitch, but that's just a passing phrase, not a direct contribution to the opinions being offered.
Is it possible somebody within the Blue Jackets org wanted those specific views expressed? Sure, it's possible, I guess. But there's no evidence of it.
Is it likely that the General Manager of the franchise is using the blog to set expectations for the fan community? Incredibly unlikely. Do you really think Howson has nothing better to do with his time?
Far more likely, in my opinion, is that Reed wanted to put some ideas out there to draw blog hits and keep interest simmering between the draft and the opening of free agency. Nothing wrong with that.
And there's nothing wrong with dissecting his opinions with all the fervor and passion of true fans., that's fine.
But to take his opinions and treat them as coming directly from the front office is, in my opinion, unsupported conclusion-jumping.
if thats what was being done? of course not. but thats not whats being done. its whining, crying, and #*#*ing.
Any time a person questions the organization around here, people are accused of whining, crying and ....whatever that other word is.
Give it up....it's time people start taking this organization to task for the product. If you want to take it up the.....for another year, feel free big guy. Stay positive, it seems to have done you well over the last few years with this team.
When you start saying you're going to spend just $12 million on 3 players after bragging that the players acquired this off-season would be known commodities that fans wouldn't have to look up online, its lowering expectations, no matter how much you sugarcoat it.
Quick question... How many 4 million dollar players are you not going to know and would have to look up? They would not be a Hejda, Beech, or Novotny. You can actually get a pretty good player for 3-4 million.
Seeing as I never expected Campbell, Redden, or Hossa it's pretty hard to say my expectations are lowered. We don't even know if Howson wants to make a pitch for any of them.
They could go to other teams and we'd probably never even know if we tried.
After all the Dispatch said there was no way we'd go for Jokinen and come to find out Howson did make a pitch.
Too much reaction over a blog entry. Sooner or later people will figure out these guys are just average joe's making predictions based on the little bit of inside knowledge they have. Most of it is probably wrong.
Having said that, I agree. Streit and Commodore are hardly the answer here. Commodore is not even the kind of player we are looking for to fill in one of the last 2 defensive pair slots.
The further we get from draft day ... the less and less convincing leesmith's rationalizations on not landing Jokinen or Cammi become. Lee, dear, ya wanna lay those on me one more time? Please? ... or not.
I do know that if Streit or Commodore (who's most memorable Stanley Cup antics on ice are Bozo hair and sporting a bathrobe) are signed to this squad ... and ANY ONE OF Y'ALL try and tell me it's an upgrade on Hainsey... you'll live only long enough to regret attempting to pass such a load of dissembling poppycock.
I just went over and read Reed's blog post, to see what all the fuss was about, and noticed something: he does not cite any sources - not one - nor does he make any claim that the opinions expressed represent anything other than his own thoughts. He tosses in one phrase in quotes from Hitch, but that's just a passing phrase, not a direct contribution to the opinions being offered.
Is it possible somebody within the Blue Jackets org wanted those specific views expressed? Sure, it's possible, I guess. But there's no evidence of it.
Is it likely that the General Manager of the franchise is using the blog to set expectations for the fan community? Incredibly unlikely. Do you really think Howson has nothing better to do with his time?
Far more likely, in my opinion, is that Reed wanted to put some ideas out there to draw blog hits and keep interest simmering between the draft and the opening of free agency. Nothing wrong with that.
And there's nothing wrong with dissecting his opinions with all the fervor and passion of true fans., that's fine.
But to take his opinions and treat them as coming directly from the front office is, in my opinion, unsupported conclusion-jumping.
It's a blog. It's not even an article. It's some dude's ramblings and thoughts put on display. I like that they put it up there and that they post. Some of it is interesting. I'm not expecting any of the information to be accurate. I mean I read the stuff that's posted here and it's just as inaccurate. It's for entertainment purposes and the occasional tidbit I didn't know.
The further we get from draft day ... the less and less convincing leesmith's rationalizations on not landing Jokinen or Cammi become. Lee, dear, ya wanna lay those on me one more time? Please? ... or not.
I do know that if Streit or Commodore (who's most memorable Stanley Cup antics on ice are Bozo hair and sporting a bathrobe) are signed to this squad ... and ANY ONE OF Y'ALL try and tell me it's an upgrade on Hainsey... you'll live only long enough to regret attempting to pass such a load of dissembling poppycock.
Its become clearer and clearer that there aren't many UFA defenseman that are hands down better than Hainsey...
I do know that if Streit or Commodore (who's most memorable Stanley Cup antics on ice are Bozo hair and sporting a bathrobe) are signed to this squad ... and ANY ONE OF Y'ALL try and tell me it's an upgrade on Hainsey... you'll live only long enough to regret attempting to pass such a load of dissembling poppycock.
It's possible they think that for Hitch's system Umberger is a better fit. On the surface it sure seems that way. I get impression Howson is building a team around
Hitch's system and not the best player available.
I'm not convinced that's such a bad thing. Do we really believe that the CBJ are the only team that considers how a player might mesh with the current team and coaching staff? They brought Hitch here for a reason and they brought SH here for a reason. XGMDM had a lot of years to dig our hole deeper and deeper. Rome wasn't built in a day. Yes, I've lost patience, too, but realistically I don't think it's fair to lose hope in a relatively short period of time. Let's not forget that most of us are not on the inside...what the media reports is only the tip of the iceberg, generally, to what is really going on behind the scenes.
We can only trust that the ownership is going to do what is prudent.
And I suppose you trusted Howard Baldwin only to wake up one morning and find that he'd sold the Pens down the river. This ownership group is the same bunch of bozos that waited far too long to pull the plugs on Gallant and Doug MacLean.
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I'm sure they felt they needed to hit the brakes on Doug's vision and the money that it required. Now that they have a guy with a little acumen and saavy in his repitoire, they will allow some spending.
Only after the damage was done. There's certainly not enough data to judge Howson's "acumen" or "savvy."
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To guage Commodore by point production is a great way to judge a shutdown d-man.
And we need a shutdown defenseman? Seriously, if that was what we wanted, shouldn't we go after a guy like Brooks Orpik who is younger and has shown improvement?
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Is there a correlation between the Cane's getting worse ride in lock-step with his
plus-minus?
If the Canes had experienced a straight line drop, you might be able to make that argument, but they actually rebounded this past year...and Commodore spent part of the year on the Sens. Not to mention that both of those teams had more goals for than the CBJ and a positive goal differential.
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Commodore is 8 years younger than Foote, so I don't think you are taking that into account.
Actually, I have considered it. Its a concern that a player as young as Commodore is already showing signs of being on the downside of his career. Then again, that "career" consists of two good NHL seasons and several where he bounced back and forth between the NHL and the minors.
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Is Foote's plus-minus a factor of Pascal and the Hitch system? There are more things to take into account than pure numbers.
Yes, and again, considering that Commodore played on teams with positive goal differentials, and Foote played on the Jackets who had a -25 goal differential, the analysis is not favorable to Commodore.
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We should sign him...being from Cleveland and all.
If by "we" you mean the Pens, go for it. He already played for the Jackets.
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Regarding Steit vs Hainsey: I agree that Streit may not be the best option, but neither is Haisey. Let's agree that there are better options out there that won't break the bank.
I'd agree if you give me two examples. Seriously, there aren't many.
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I'm not convinced that's such a bad thing. Do we really believe that the CBJ are the only team that considers how a player might mesh with the current team and coaching staff? They brought Hitch here for a reason and they brought SH here for a reason. XGMDM had a lot of years to dig our hole deeper and deeper. Rome wasn't built in a day. Yes, I've lost patience, too, but realistically I don't think it's fair to lose hope in a relatively short period of time. Let's not forget that most of us are not on the inside...what the media reports is only the tip of the iceberg, generally, to what is really going on behind the scenes.
...still holding out for Vermette
thats what you are supposed to do. and why xgmdm was so bad at his job. you dont pass on guys way better than others. but you draft, sign, trade for, etc players who fit your system the best.
The further we get from draft day ... the less and less convincing leesmith's rationalizations on not landing Jokinen or Cammi become. Lee, dear, ya wanna lay those on me one more time? Please? ... or not.
I do know that if Streit or Commodore (who's most memorable Stanley Cup antics on ice are Bozo hair and sporting a bathrobe) are signed to this squad ... and ANY ONE OF Y'ALL try and tell me it's an upgrade on Hainsey... you'll live only long enough to regret attempting to pass such a load of dissembling poppycock.
Well Plucky, I don't know what your point is here. I have no idea why GMSH or Hitch would have any interest at all in Jokinen. He doesn't fit the culture they are trying to instill here if the comments from several NHL GMs are correct.
Any time a person questions the organization around here, people are accused of whining, crying and ....whatever that other word is.
Give it up....it's time people start taking this organization to task for the product. If you want to take it up the.....for another year, feel free big guy. Stay positive, it seems to have done you well over the last few years with this team.
like i said. there is a difference between that and just $$*#ing. a lot of people on here $#*$ no matter what is done. we need to overpay. we get someone. you are idiots for overpaying. we need this. we go get something. that guy sucks, why didnt you get this guy. and so on. i really have yet to see one thing wrong with what Howson has done.
I like Legwand but he's signed at $4.5 mil for the hnext buncha years with the Preds.
It just shows you how good of a GM David Poile is in Nashville. In retrospect he's made some super smart moves since we've been in the league. Legwand at $4.5 million is going to look like one of the best contracts in the leauge in a few seasons let alone in 2014. Combine his contract with Erat's almost exact same deal and the Preds core is coming into focus thru this decade. It seems like I've seen Polie signing all his core guys lately with Suter and Weber re-signing in the past few days. Both with good deals.
Poile is a machine and ownership in Nashville understands that. It's how he's able to make real moves like attracting Forsberg or dumping garbage like Hordichuk. He moves the rights pieces at the right moment. Their goalies are a perfect example of that. He grabs a first for Vokun by trading him to the Eastern Conference. He trades Mason at the draft and re-signs Ellis and drafts Pickard. It's pretty amazing.
Don't even get me started on his draft picks. They made the playoffs this season and still moved up 2 spots to draft Colin Wilson. I hate the Preds but David Poile is a one helluva hard worker and has huge balls to boot. When Nashville starts drafting forwards in the first round I worry that the Apocalypse is right around the corner.
This **** is getting hard to read. Let's just wait until July 1st for God sakes. I haven't heard so much whining from a group of people in a long time. Come on guys. Give it a rest for 8 days.
Well Plucky, I don't know what your point is here. I have no idea why GMSH or Hitch would have any interest at all in Jokinen. He doesn't fit the culture they are trying to instill here if the comments from several NHL GMs are correct.
Well, now, if I were going to listen to all the GMs and experts ... Fedorov was the $6 million dollar man (ask either Burke or DM ... they'll tell ya.) If we listened to the experts and expert GMs ... Nik Zherdev was a bust - no heart, no head, uncoachable. Roenick was a useless chattering simp with nothing to offer. And David Vyborny was a stallwart warrior who brought everything he had everytime he stepped on the ice. If I listened to Jokinen's exGM ... Jokinen was only worth a Ballard the Ballerina and Nik dorkin' Boynton.
I don't listen to the experts ... I've found it a fruitless endeavor. If I have to choose between listening to just any old GM off the street and MY OWN HOCKEY SENSE. I pick ME, every damn time. Experts... yep, you can trust me on this one
