From reading all this the consensus seems to be to do nothing because all of our prospects and/or "prospects to be" from the picks we have are too value to lose or, in the alternative, not valuable enough, so we will rely upon a reinvigorated Freddie Modin to put us over the top. I sincerely hope that no one in CBJ management is participating in this thread.
we're desperately looking for centers, and we have no puck moving d-men, and people are content with moving them. 'Nuff Said.
Moving them to get ... centers and puck moving dmen.
Help now. Not help later, maybe.
I'd love to waive a magic wand and fix the CBJ's problems by not trading any roster players, draft picks or highly-touted prospects. Just not sure that's realistic.
From reading all this the consensus seems to be to do nothing because all of our prospects and/or "prospects to be" from the picks we have are too value to lose or, in the alternative, not valuable enough, so we will rely upon a reinvigorated Freddie Modin to put us over the top. I sincerely hope that no one in CBJ management is participating in this thread.
I feel compelled to point out that "lack of consensus on who to give up" does not mean "consensus that we should do nothing", as you seem to have interpreted it here.
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From reading all this the consensus seems to be to do nothing because all of our prospects and/or "prospects to be" from the picks we have are too value to lose or, in the alternative, not valuable enough, so we will rely upon a reinvigorated Freddie Modin to put us over the top. I sincerely hope that no one in CBJ management is participating in this thread.
I sure haven't seen this "consensus" you speak of.....well, EVER.
is that it is going to be very tough for the Jackets to address all that ails them. Every team is looking for additions in the form of top centres, and offensively talented D men.
There may be concensus that you build thru the draft - seems to be equal consensus that we don't have that kind of time to waste... consensus is we need NHL players and will have to overpay to get them.
Seems to be concensus that Hainsey shouldn't be resigned.. and a few of us go against that train of thought.
We stand to gain from this offseason, even with the poor choice of pivots available via free agency at the moment. We have cash to sign those highly touted RFA's if need be and we have one of the most stocked cupboard in terms of prospects/assets to use via trade if need be, We will take hits, but we also stand to be one of the few teams that can really go hard after the type of players we need, for the first time in our history we won't have to settle for the Todd Marchants and the Luke Richardsons.
if we are going to continue to say that every team is after guys that we are also after then it just adds another excuse for not making the playoffs. Yes they are, but unlike the past, we now have the resources to acquire those players.
Howson needs to decide on if he's content on playing small ball for a few more seasons or if he's ready to start the turn around this season.
There seem to be conflicting reports from the Front office, first we heard Priest preaching about how the future is now and its a "win now" mentality taking over, now we hear Howson and Hitch backing off a little, basically saying Rome wasn't built in a day...
I said earlier this is probably a two year plan based on Howson not want to completely empty the cupboard of prospects to get players and partly because he'll still have to sign RFA's like LeClaire and the weak FA market at the position we need most. 8 new players is severly pushing it for one year, but it needs to begin now. The two year plan needs to be playoffs in 08-09, 2nd round or better in 09-10.
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I said earlier this is probably a two year plan based on Howson not want to completely empty the cupboard of prospects to get players and partly because he'll still have to sign RFA's like LeClaire and the weak FA market at the position we need most. 8 new players is severly pushing it for one year, but it needs to begin now. The two year plan needs to be playoffs in 08-09, 2nd round or better in 09-10.
I think this is exactly where we are and where Priest, et. al., want us to go. And the point Hitch and Howson are making, I believe, is not "Rome wasn't built in a day," but "Rome wasn't built to last a day." These folk understand and share our frustrations - we need to win now, but we need to keep winning for awhile, too!
I think this is exactly where we are and where Priest, et. al., want us to go. And the point Hitch and Howson are making, I believe, is not "Rome wasn't built in a day," but "Rome wasn't built to last a day." These folk understand and share our frustrations - we need to win now, but we need to keep winning for awhile, too!
I like this explanation.
I'd also like to think that SH is hedging a little and trying to portray an image to potential trade partners other than "desperation."
A few years ago my van broke down in Cordele, GA. I was on a very tight schedule and had to be in Orlando in six hours, with my trailer. As we walked onto the car lot, my wife said "Try not to look desperate." I replied "But we are desperate." Not the best place to be.
"I've arrived at Toronto on May 26. My work has began on the next day. In general, I'm having interviews with NHL clubs. I have to say that all meetings are the same. They all ask whether I'm ready to play in the AHL in the next season, to come to America this fall, and whether I have a contract with russian club or not. I explain that I have no contract with CSKA and the rumor that I have contract up to 2011 has no ground. I speak in English with NHL representatives and had no problems with language whatsoever.
I liked our meetings with representatives of Columbus, Rangers and Florida. These interviews were informal with smiles, compared to other clubs were questions were as if it was an interrogation. By the way, representatives of Columbus has invited me to the ceremonial dinner. Does that mean that they've become favorites in drafting me? I don't know, I don't know..."
So Columbus seems very interested in Filatov, which is interesting, considering he's likely to go in the Top 5. Does anyone see us trading with the Islanders perhaps for a higher pick to be able to land Filatov?
So Columbus seems very interested in Filatov, which is interesting, considering he's likely to go in the Top 5. Does anyone see us trading with the Islanders perhaps for a higher pick to be able to land Filatov?
Nah. I don't think we're trading up.
I'm in the draft Filatov if he's a 6 camp though. Yep, even there happens to be the last of the big four dmen on the board.
I'd rather take the guy with Stamkos-level skill and considered by many to be the 2nd best player in the draft than the fourth best dman. Needs be dammed.
I'm in the draft Filatov if he's a 6 camp though. Yep, even there happens to be the last of the big four dmen on the board.
I'd rather take the guy with Stamkos-level skill and considered by many to be the 2nd best player in the draft than the fourth best dman. Needs be dammed.
I agree, Kallio, that kind of offensive talent can't be ignored.
Trades start after the teams involved in the trade are eliminated from the playoffs, but the NHL has an unofficial "request" out there that anyone doing blockbusters should wait until after the Finals are over so it doesn't distract from that.
RFA offer sheets can't be sent out until July 1, same day as UFA offers. Don't see any reason why the team couldn't be talking to their agents, though. I'd expect a lot of conversations to have already started, or to really get into high gear after the draft.
Trades start after the teams involved in the trade are eliminated from the playoffs, but the NHL has an unofficial "request" out there that anyone doing blockbusters should wait until after the Finals are over so it doesn't distract from that.
RFA offer sheets can't be sent out until July 1, same day as UFA offers. Don't see any reason why the team couldn't be talking to their agents, though. I'd expect a lot of conversations to have already started, or to really get into high gear after the draft.
Umm...tampering maybe? There's a reason the UFA period doesn't start until July 1 and that's to give teams adequate time to talk to their own UFA's and decide if they want to sign them or not. If the team doesn't want to sign them, they can give the agent permission to talk to other teams (I think) to start early negotiations. But contract talk isn't supposed to happen until July 1.
I'm in the draft Filatov if he's a 6 camp though. Yep, even there happens to be the last of the big four dmen on the board.
I'd rather take the guy with Stamkos-level skill and considered by many to be the 2nd best player in the draft than the fourth best dman. Needs be dammed.
I'm starting to lean this way as well....as long as the CBJ brass are 100% convinced this kid is not contracted elsewhere and will come over next year even to play in the AHL.
Any hint of either of those not happening then I go North American.
Umm...tampering maybe? There's a reason the UFA period doesn't start until July 1 and that's to give teams adequate time to talk to their own UFA's and decide if they want to sign them or not. If the team doesn't want to sign them, they can give the agent permission to talk to other teams (I think) to start early negotiations. But contract talk isn't supposed to happen until July 1.
You may be right, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised to find out some agents and GMs get together for drinks between now and July 1st and talk about possibilities.
not sure about Filatov. From what I've seen of him I don't think he'd be effective with just that toe drag move that Z does. Thats all I've seen him do offensively. He's got great speed and passes extremely well and his defensive game is solid, but I'm just not sold on him. I feel like we'd just get Z with a much more level head. Plus the fact that I don't think we have enough time to let the guy bulk up, unless he does it in a big hurry.
I haven't seen much of him, so dont take my word for it. From what I've seen though, he just hasn't stood out enough to convince me that I want him more than Pietrangelo or Schenn. Although, I wouldn't mind taking him and then taking Carlson or Del Zotto assuming we keep both picks. I'm just too sold on landing a PPQB in a good draft for it. I mean unless I know for sure he'll turn out like Radulov, I'm just not positive about taking him.
not sure about Filatov. From what I've seen of him I don't think he'd be effective with just that toe drag move that Z does. Thats all I've seen him do offensively. He's got great speed and passes extremely well and his defensive game is solid, but I'm just not sold on him. I feel like we'd just get Z with a much more level head. Plus the fact that I don't think we have enough time to let the guy bulk up, unless he does it in a big hurry.
I haven't seen much of him, so dont take my word for it. From what I've seen though, he just hasn't stood out enough to convince me that I want him more than Pietrangelo or Schenn. Although, I wouldn't mind taking him and then taking Carlson or Del Zotto assuming we keep both picks. I'm just too sold on landing a PPQB in a good draft for it. I mean unless I know for sure he'll turn out like Radulov, I'm just not positive about taking him.
Z with a level head wouldn't be such a bad thing though would it?
Z with a level head wouldn't be such a bad thing though would it?
That's what I was thinking. Isn't Z's head the only thing everyone has a problem with?
From TSN.ca
"Obviously we've done our background on a kid by going to watch him play and now you just want to make sure you not only have a hockey player, but a good person and someone who can show a commitment on and off the ice."
And one youngster who has drawn rave reviews in this department is Russian forward Nikita Filatov.
"I met him in Kazan overseas and he has a very interesting family," explained Lombardi. "He's very well educated, he speaks three languages, he has a lot of life. He looks you in the eye, and in some cases you don't even know he's from Russia."
That last line cracked me up.
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I think the probability of Filatov being available at # 6 is low but if he is, we'll get the best offers as far as a trade goes. There are going to be 29 other teams interested in this guy just because he doesn't fit the stereotypical Russian mold but still has the high end Russian skill.
Trades start after the teams involved in the trade are eliminated from the playoffs, but the NHL has an unofficial "request" out there that anyone doing blockbusters should wait until after the Finals are over so it doesn't distract from that.
Technically teams can trade while they're still in the playoffs.
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I think the probability of Filatov being available at # 6 is low but if he is, we'll get the best offers as far as a trade goes. There are going to be 29 other teams interested in this guy just because he doesn't fit the stereotypical Russian mold but still has the high end Russian skill.
I think the probability of Filatov being available at # 6 is low but if he is, we'll get the best offers as far as a trade goes. There are going to be 29 other teams interested in this guy just because he doesn't fit the stereotypical Russian mold but still has the high end Russian skill.
I've suggested trading away our 6th pick to help satisfy the "win now" concept often, I'm starting to shift on that. The more I read about the top players available at six in this years draft demands consideration for taking that talent. And, if we get lucky, a starting star player at less than one million a year for three years is the name of the game in the current league.
We can trade that 20th pick and hopefully still accomplish our goal.
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The number one issue that should control all decisions is "win now". If we can do that w/o trading No. 6, fine. But if that is necessary to get what is needed NOW, then bye bye No. 6.
