Back again with Operation Error. For those of you participating in this exercise, thank you. If you are unfamiliar, here is what I'm doing: I'm trying to ascertain which Oilers are the best and worst defensive players, and at the same time, come up with a better stat than plus/minus. I am doing this by assigning errors to the players most responsible for each goal against the Oilers.
I am asking for your help to see if different folks, with varying degrees of hockey expertise, can look at the same goals against and come up with similar errors assignments.
This will be challenging in the Oil's loss to the Caps, as the goals against were messy (and the camera work quite poor).
1. Look at all even strength goals against the Oilers.
2. Look for the players most responsible for a goal against.
3. Assign errors to as many as three Oiler players per goal against, looking for the errors that directly lead to the goal against.
4. Assign a primary error to the player most responsible, and secondary errors otherwise.
If you want to see how Oiler players have done so far this year, who the best defensive Oilers are, and who are the worst, you can go to my blog, the Cult of Hockey, where I have a list for the first 45 games.
For forwards: http://communities.canada.com/edmont...e-dynamos.aspx
everyone who blew it in the shootout, especially when the Caps were "throwing in the towel" by sending in people like Donald Brashear. 1 point thrown in the toilet when Roloson was huge for over 10 rounds after letting in 4. he came up huge for the skaters to gain the 2 points and they "Crapped the bed"
Goal#1. Backstrom.
Smid loses battle in corner, Gilbert clears puck up boards to Gagner, who is late getting there, shot at the end, rebound off Roloson, Kozlov batting Smid and Gilbert on the doorest, Backstrom comes in and scores.
The first error is SMID, then GAGNER, then GILBERT/Smid for failing to cover both men (Backstrom/Kozlov) in a two-on-two situation. I know some of you will blame Roloson for the rebound, but IMO Kozlov was right on top of them, giving him little chance for rebound control.
The primary error goes to SMID, based on the rule that when we have a series of equal errors, the primary error goes to the player who started the defensive breakdown.
Goal #2. Ovechkin.
Long pass to Boyd Gordon, Souray is late getting to him, and Staios is sucked over there, away from Ovechkin, who gets pass and shoots it past Roloson.
Errors to SOURAY, for being late, STAIOS, for not covering Ovechkin in two-on-two and ROLOSON for failing to stop shot from not-so-close-range where he had a clear view. Primary error goes to SOURAY, the same rule applying as before.
3. Fleischman.
Play in Oilers' end, nothing too dangerous for Oil until Grebeshkov loses his man on the check, then Fleischman scores on wrap-around shot against Roloson.
Errors to GREBESHKOV, for losing his man, and ROLOSON, as this was a glaring, glaring error. Normally, primary error goes to first person who causes breakdown, but in this case Roloson's error was so glaring, he gets the primary error.
It's great when Edmonton fans get jaded, because they become predictable in their actions.
On the first goal, Roloson makes the first save and the rebound heads to his left, but then hits something and goes to his right, directly onto the stick of a caps player.
On the 2nd goal they let Alex Ovechkin, who is probably the greatest pure goal scorer most will see in their lifetime, get an uncontested shot from within 15 feet and Roloson is to blame.
And on the 3rd goal they let Green walk in and fire a wrist shot right from beside the hashmarks (again, uncontested).
The 4th goal was weak, but let's not get too carried away here.
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It's great when Edmonton fans get jaded, because they become predictable in their actions.
On the first goal, Roloson makes the first save and the rebound heads to his left, but then hits something and goes to his right, directly onto the stick of a caps player.
On the 2nd goal they let Alex Ovechkin, who is probably the greatest pure goal scorer most will see in their lifetime, get an uncontested shot from within 15 feet and Roloson is to blame.
And on the 3rd goal they let Green walk in and fire a wrist shot right from beside the hashmarks (again, uncontested).
The 4th goal was weak, but let's not get too carried away here.
DB, Roli has to make a big save to keep the team in the game. Granted he made a coupled down the stretch, but tonight was a microcosm of his play as an Oiler and why he has been so inconsistent. The first three goals were average goals. A couple really good shots, which is fine if the Oilers have a tutor shooter in net. He needs to make a save for the cause. The 4th goal was exactly what has plagued us with Roli. He is good for one so-so goal a night, and when you score 2.4 goals per game and also give up some 5 bell chances, that one so-so goal is usually the difference. Garon makes the big save when needed - Roli doesn't. Roloson was not good last night, he was okay, but not good. Okay loses games for htis team unfortunately. I agree Roli is getting the shaft on some of the commentary, but he hasn't made THE save when needed.
It's great when Edmonton fans get jaded, because they become predictable in their actions.
On the first goal, Roloson makes the first save and the rebound heads to his left, but then hits something and goes to his right, directly onto the stick of a caps player.
On the 2nd goal they let Alex Ovechkin, who is probably the greatest pure goal scorer most will see in their lifetime, get an uncontested shot from within 15 feet and Roloson is to blame.
And on the 3rd goal they let Green walk in and fire a wrist shot right from beside the hashmarks (again, uncontested).
The 4th goal was weak, but let's not get too carried away here.
kinda agree with you... Ovechkin and Green scored from prime scoring spots with perfectly placed shots... I would blame the oilers D on the first 3 goals but would like to add that our D plays much better knowing that Garon is in the net.
Allowing 17 shots against in the 2nd was also pathetic.
It's great when Edmonton fans get jaded, because they become predictable in their actions.
On the first goal, Roloson makes the first save and the rebound heads to his left, but then hits something and goes to his right, directly onto the stick of a caps player.
On the 2nd goal they let Alex Ovechkin, who is probably the greatest pure goal scorer most will see in their lifetime, get an uncontested shot from within 15 feet and Roloson is to blame.
And on the 3rd goal they let Green walk in and fire a wrist shot right from beside the hashmarks (again, uncontested).
The 4th goal was weak, but let's not get too carried away here.
I would agree. At the same time though I can't help but feel we win in regulation if Garon was in net. Roli has a bad habit, even in the 2006 playoffs of letting in goals in bunches as well, he'll make a lot of saves, let one in, and then all of the sudden it's like the floodgates open.
everyone who blew it in the shootout, especially when the Caps were "throwing in the towel" by sending in people like Donald Brashear. 1 point thrown in the toilet when Roloson was huge for over 10 rounds after letting in 4. he came up huge for the skaters to gain the 2 points and they "Crapped the bed"
I agree - what was with all the attempts at kolzig's 5-hole. ganger, reasoner et al. had kolzig beat with deeks, they just couldn't bury the puck.
our guys need to rely less on the SO and strive to win in regulation. I think our SO record is working against us at this point. mact needs to light a fire and build some character with a come-back 'W' in 60 min..
On the first goal, Roloson makes the first save and the rebound heads to his left, but then hits something and goes to his right, directly onto the stick of a caps player.
On the 2nd goal they let Alex Ovechkin, who is probably the greatest pure goal scorer most will see in their lifetime, get an uncontested shot from within 15 feet and Roloson is to blame.
I agree with you on the first goal, but on the second, Roloson would have had it on a better day, and I'm sure he would tell you the same.
On a good day, an NHL goalie makes the save. In a similar manner, Souray and Staios would blame themselves on that goal, and would say on a good day they would have been on those two forwards, Gordon and Ovechkin, and no goal would have come about.
I didn't rate Green's goal as it was a powerplay goal, and I see no reason to assign "errors" on power play goals, as they are very often scored even when everyone does everything right, as was the case on Green's goal. Roli had no chance.
1) 89: (e1) Off the lost face-off,89's responsibility was to support the puck on HIS wall. He was late getting over there and then late getting his stick in front of the point shot. If you want a baseball analogy: I likened Gilbert to a SS who scoops a routine grounder and lobs the ball over to fist base,where 89 did hockey's version of not getting his foot on the bag.
2) 24: (e1) Went to an already covered man in the middle of the ice and watched Ovechkin lurk over the puck. Staois needs to call out which man he is going to and allow his backcheckers to react accordingly. 19 gets a secondary error for not automatically going to Ovechkin...not a bad idea to just stay with Ovechkin whenever he is on the ice,really.
3) 19: (e1) Blatantly poor stick positioning. 19 needed to take away the middle of the ice with his stick. He carried it OFF the ice and allowed the pass to go cross ice. I can't see who the winger is WITH him...but whover it the Oilers LW on the shift...HIS man trailed the play (Greene) so a mystery LW is in need of an e2.
Goal#1. Backstrom.
Smid loses battle in corner, Gilbert clears puck up boards to Gagner, who is late getting there, shot at the end, rebound off Roloson, Kozlov batting Smid and Gilbert on the doorest, Backstrom comes in and scores.
The first error is SMID, then GAGNER, then GILBERT/Smid for failing to cover both men (Backstrom/Kozlov) in a two-on-two situation. I know some of you will blame Roloson for the rebound, but IMO Kozlov was right on top of them, giving him little chance for rebound control.
The primary error goes to SMID, based on the rule that when we have a series of equal errors, the primary error goes to the player who started the defensive breakdown.
Goal #2. Ovechkin.
Long pass to Boyd Gordon, Souray is late getting to him, and Staios is sucked over there, away from Ovechkin, who gets pass and shoots it past Roloson.
Errors to SOURAY, for being late, STAIOS, for not covering Ovechkin in two-on-two and ROLOSON for failing to stop shot from not-so-close-range where he had a clear view. Primary error goes to SOURAY, the same rule applying as before.
3. Fleischman.
Play in Oilers' end, nothing too dangerous for Oil until Grebeshkov loses his man on the check, then Fleischman scores on wrap-around shot against Roloson.
Errors to GREBESHKOV, for losing his man, and ROLOSON, as this was a glaring, glaring error. Normally, primary error goes to first person who causes breakdown, but in this case Roloson's error was so glaring, he gets the primary error.
So that's how I saw it. How about you?
Only to Roloson on the goal from the corner. Its never a defenceman's fault when one of those goes in.
Ovechkin's goal isn't Roloson's fault even though he went down...again...that was just a great shot that he should score on.
Backstrom Goal: I hate myself for saying this but, primary error to the usually rock solid Tom Gilbert for blindly throwing the puck up the boards.(ala Steve Staois) Whether or not Gagner was "supposed to be there" Gilbert had an open outlet to Reasoner, but instead just turned and fired the puck up the boards which was the turnover that directly led to the goal.
Ovechkin Goal: Primary error to Steve Staois for having no clue where Ovechkin was until the puck was off his stick. Staois had his back turned to Ovechkin when Gordon made the pass to AO. Staois HAS TO BE AWARE of Ovechkin not only when he's on the ice but especially when he's 15 feet from our net.
1) 89: (e1) Off the lost face-off,89's responsibility was to support the puck on HIS wall. He was late getting over there and then late getting his stick in front of the point shot. If you want a baseball analogy: I likened Gilbert to a SS who scoops a routine grounder and lobs the ball over to fist base,where 89 did hockey's version of not getting his foot on the bag.
2) 24: (e1) Went to an already covered man in the middle of the ice and watched Ovechkin lurk over the puck. Staois needs to call out which man he is going to and allow his backcheckers to react accordingly. 19 gets a secondary error for not automatically going to Ovechkin...not a bad idea to just stay with Ovechkin whenever he is on the ice,really.
3) 19: (e1) Blatantly poor stick positioning. 19 needed to take away the middle of the ice with his stick. He carried it OFF the ice and allowed the pass to go cross ice. I can't see who the winger is WITH him...but whover it the Oilers LW on the shift...HIS man trailed the play (Greene) so a mystery LW is in need of an e2.
4) 35: (e1) AHL goal. Say no more.
Thanks Everest. I always appreciate your analysis, even when we're not in complete agreement (though I'm thinking you may be right in assigning Gagner the primary error on that first goal. I'm going to have to look again at it and see if Smid deserves an error at all).
