Trades To Help Future

Since we are rebuilding and all...

To Rangers:
Coburn - D

To Atlanta
Kasparaitis - D
Blackburn - G
Rachunek - D

The thrashers are looking to be the clear favorites in a weak division and this would help to make it happen. I know they have Lehtonen but Blackburn is expendable to us and he is still a valuable commodity. Rachunek i personally am not a fan of but i know that some people think highly of him.


To Rangers:
Grigorenko - RW
Hudler - C
Fischer - D

To Detroit:
Jagr - RW

Detroit is not at all in a rebuilding mode and with the loss of Hull they do not have a scorer on the right side. Jagr as we know has been the most consistent point producer in the past few years. He also is not much of a financial burden because of the money the Caps are paying.


To Rangers:
Michalek - LW

To Sharks:
Holik - C (Pay half of salary)

The Rangers are weak on the left side in their system and have been for years. The sharks are always one of the most hard working teams so Holik should fit in nicely and with half his salary being paid hes coming at a discount.

To Rangers:
Higgins - LW
Chipchura - C

To Montreal:
Lundquivst - G
Poti - D

Montreal has one of the best goaltenders in the league but no solid goalies in their system imo. They can afford to deal two forwards because of the quality and depth in their system. Poti would be great on their power play feeding Souray for one-timers.

FUTURE LINES:

Korpikoski - Hudler - Grigorenko
Michalek - Graham/Immonen - Jessiman
Lundmark - Chipchura - Murray
Higgins - Falardeau - Ortmeyer

Tyutin - Coburn
Fischer - Pock
Kondratiev - Taylor

Montoya
Labarbera

Extras: D. Moore, Lampman, Baranka, Jonasen, Prucha, Dawes, Giroux, Roche, Kozak, helminen, all of our second/third round picks from this past draft

THIS IS MY DREAM TEAM BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

:loony:

Since we are rebuilding and all...

To Rangers:
Coburn - D

To Atlanta
Kasparaitis - D
Blackburn - G
Rachunek - D

The thrashers are looking to be the clear favorites in a weak division and this would help to make it happen. I know they have Lehtonen but Blackburn is expendable to us and he is still a valuable commodity. Rachunek i personally am not a fan of but i know that some people think highly of him.


To Rangers:
Grigorenko - RW
Hudler - C
Fischer - D

To Detroit:
Jagr - RW

Detroit is not at all in a rebuilding mode and with the loss of Hull they do not have a scorer on the right side. Jagr as we know has been the most consistent point producer in the past few years. He also is not much of a financial burden because of the money the Caps are paying.


To Rangers:
Michalek - LW

To Sharks:
Holik - C (Pay half of salary)

The Rangers are weak on the left side in their system and have been for years. The sharks are always one of the most hard working teams so Holik should fit in nicely and with half his salary being paid hes coming at a discount.

To Rangers:
Higgins - LW
Chipchura - C

To Montreal:
Lundquivst - G
Poti - D

Montreal has one of the best goaltenders in the league but no solid goalies in their system imo. They can afford to deal two forwards because of the quality and depth in their system. Poti would be great on their power play feeding Souray for one-timers.

FUTURE LINES:

Korpikoski - Hudler - Grigorenko
Michalek - Graham/Immonen - Jessiman
Lundmark - Chipchura - Murray
Higgins - Falardeau - Ortmeyer

Tyutin - Coburn
Fischer - Pock
Kondratiev - Taylor

Montoya
Labarbera

Extras: D. Moore, Lampman, Baranka, Jonasen, Prucha, Dawes, Giroux, Roche, Kozak, helminen, all of our second/third round picks from this past draft

THIS IS MY DREAM TEAM BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
sorry but every trade there is unrealistic and wouldnt happen, maybe the only onw that would work is sanjose which i highly doubt. det wouldnt do that at all and same for atlanta and mtl,i mean are these proposals or just what YOU would like.and all honesty the offensive lines i dont like at all, that lineup wuould be getting beat up every game, if thats your dream team than i dont know what to tell u, sorry to be so negative but thats my opinion. u dont want to trade montoya but u do blackburn, and if lets say next year we darft another goaile first round ( it wont happen but just saying ) than u would say trade montoya and use him, u are just excited to have montoya think realistically who would be better , i dont understand this board we draft a goalie 6 th and everyone thoiks this kid is the best thing in the world. i just dont get it

:loony:
well said with out being rude, guess my post was a little rough, oh well ...

Since we are rebuilding and all...

To Rangers:
Coburn - D

To Atlanta
Kasparaitis - D
Blackburn - G
Rachunek - D

A strange trade for both teams. The Rangers give up absolutely PILES of youth for a totally unproven prospect, and then jam Kaspar and his horribly contract down Atlanta's throat. Meanwhile Atlanta has Lehtonin, so why are they interested in Blackburn in the first place?

Truthfully, with the addition of Valabik and the Thrasher's kiddie corps of defensemen, I could see Atlanta trading someone like Coburn for a vet, but neither the charmin-soft Rachunek nor the wildy overpriced Kaspar makes much sense for them.

Meanwhile, the Rangers are radically over paying for a mere-prospect... that's a talent package that should land Phaneuf+, if you take out the salary cap worries. And Coburn is no Phaneuf.


To Rangers:
Grigorenko - RW
Hudler - C
Fischer - D

To Detroit:
Jagr - RW

This one I actually like a bit, but not a ton. Jagr is definitely movable, depending on the terms of the new CBA. And Detroit, which just lost Hull and has a decrepit Yzerman and Shannahan on the payroll could definitely be interested in the Super-Czech. But I have to think under any kind of a Tax/Cap scenario, they wouldn't be quite as generous with the youth given Jagr's age, personality, and recurrent 'groin' issues. I'd say Fischer is definitely mobile, but I think Grigorenko or Hudler would be the best the Rangers can add, not both (maybe with a draft pick tho).


To Rangers:
Michalek - LW

To Sharks:
Holik - C (Pay half of salary)

Worst of the bunch. San Jose moves probably it's top prospect for a lead anchor of a contract and a sewer of a personality. Who cares if they 'only' have to pay Holik $4.5 million for three years? The Sharks would have to be drunk to even consider this.

Meanwhile the Rangers have now traded away all their upfront size with Jagr and Holik both gone, and you've got a squad of smurfs up front getting pounded out there. You better hope Jessiman is everything the press clippings say he is, and that he's going to show up SOON, because until he does, the rest of the Rangers forwards are going to feel like Beecher on Oz.


To Rangers:
Higgins - LW
Chipchura - C

To Montreal:
Lundquivst - G
Poti - D

Montreal has Theodore in nets, and Yann Dannis in the system (who's hardly chicken feed). While I don't doubt they'd be interested in Lundqvist, they are hardly dying for him. And Poti? Well they've got Souray emerging, Brisebios still on the roster, and Ron Hainsey and Mike Komisarek still developing. Why do they need Poti and his defensive mistakes?

More than anything, they need size up front. Higgens is no bruiser, but at least he isn't a shrimp. And Chipchurra has very good size. So again, I just don't see this as remotely matching need to need.

To Rangers:
Michalek - LW

To Sharks:
Holik - C (Pay half of salary)

Believe me, the Sharks wouldn't trade Michalek for anything right now. They're in love with the kid. If he hadn't gone down twice last season with knee injuries, he would have played all 82 games with the Sharks.

:help:

Anyone remember the Seinfeld episode where George was tryin to get the assistant to the GM of the Yankees job?

To Rangers:
Coburn - D

To Atlanta
Kasparaitis - D
Blackburn - G
Rachunek - D


This is isanity. I wouldn't trade Blackburn for Coburn in a million years. Coburn will be nothing more then a 5th, 6th defenseman and even the Thrashers have said that.

I seriously doubt Sather would trade away his goalie depth right now and rely solely on Montoya [and Labarbera] for the future.

FUTURE LINES:

Korpikoski - Hudler - Grigorenko
Michalek - Graham/Immonen - Jessiman
Lundmark - Chipchura - Murray
Higgins - Falardeau - Ortmeyer

Tyutin - Coburn
Fischer - Pock
Kondratiev - Taylor

Montoya
Labarbera

Extras: D. Moore, Lampman, Baranka, Jonasen, Prucha, Dawes, Giroux, Roche, Kozak, helminen, all of our second/third round picks from this past draft

THIS IS MY DREAM TEAM BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

And now let Montoya turn out to be Labarbera pt 2 and we have a goalie problem. ;)

This is isanity. I wouldn't trade Blackburn for Coburn in a million years. Coburn will be nothing more then a 5th, 6th defenseman and even the Thrashers have said that.

when did the thrashers say that?

To Rangers:
Coburn - D

To Atlanta
Kasparaitis - D
Blackburn - G
Rachunek - D


This is isanity. I wouldn't trade Blackburn for Coburn in a million years. Coburn will be nothing more then a 5th, 6th defenseman and even the Thrashers have said that.

So the Thrashers draft Coburn #1 and then turn around trash the kid's confidence by calling him a 5 or 6, at best.

I'd like to know where exactly you got that quote from Atlanta.

not only are you sending 2 young goalies to teams that have absolutely no need for a goalie...shouldn't we wait for montoya to atleast play in the ahl before declaring him the #1 and dealing off blackburn & lundqvist?

I'm pretty sure I read about it in the Hockey News and it was a comment from the GM. I'm almost positive of this. They said he might be a 4th defenseman but 5th-6th for sure. In other words. They didn't have a lot of confidence in him. The word soft also has come up in a few places I've read about him.

I'm pretty sure I read about it in the Hockey News and it was a comment from the GM. I'm almost positive of this. They said he might be a 4th defenseman but 5th-6th for sure. In other words. They didn't have a lot of confidence in him. The word soft also has come up in a few places I've read about him.

It's no big deal but I just wonder why any GM would say something like that about the eighth pick overall. How could you draft him if you have little confidence in him?
Just doesn't make much sense.

I'm pretty sure I read about it in the Hockey News and it was a comment from the GM. I'm almost positive of this. They said he might be a 4th defenseman but 5th-6th for sure. In other words. They didn't have a lot of confidence in him. The word soft also has come up in a few places I've read about him.

without seeing the actual quote, i'm willing to bet $$ that they were talking about coburn's role next year, not his future potential. saying that he can be the 4th or 5th dman THIS YEAR as a 19 year old, not that they don't think he'll ever be better than that in the future

without seeing the actual quote, i'm willing to bet $$ that they were talking about coburn's role next year, not his future potential. saying that he can be the 4th or 5th dman THIS YEAR as a 19 year old, not that they don't think he'll ever be better than that in the future


This is probably what was ment..................I know ATL is very hi on Coburn. They just signed him and I think he is expected to play in ATL.
If you wanna go after a good young dman maybe try CLB and get Klesla out of there. He hasn't progressed as fast as CLB has hoped and I think he would be available for the right deal. They have Denis and Leclaire so I dont think they would want a goalie which is really the best thing we have for trade right now.

I'm pretty sure I read about it in the Hockey News and it was a comment from the GM. I'm almost positive of this. They said he might be a 4th defenseman but 5th-6th for sure. In other words. They didn't have a lot of confidence in him. The word soft also has come up in a few places I've read about him.
I have yet to see anything that remotely resembles that in any publication/site. Atlanta LOVES Coburn. Kid is the top line defenseman that we are currently dreaming about.

Since we are rebuilding and all...

To Rangers:
Coburn - D

To Atlanta
Kasparaitis - D
Blackburn - G
Rachunek - D

The thrashers are looking to be the clear favorites in a weak division and this would help to make it happen. I know they have Lehtonen but Blackburn is expendable to us and he is still a valuable commodity. Rachunek i personally am not a fan of but i know that some people think highly of him.


To Rangers:
Grigorenko - RW
Hudler - C
Fischer - D

To Detroit:
Jagr - RW

Detroit is not at all in a rebuilding mode and with the loss of Hull they do not have a scorer on the right side. Jagr as we know has been the most consistent point producer in the past few years. He also is not much of a financial burden because of the money the Caps are paying.


To Rangers:
Michalek - LW

To Sharks:
Holik - C (Pay half of salary)

The Rangers are weak on the left side in their system and have been for years. The sharks are always one of the most hard working teams so Holik should fit in nicely and with half his salary being paid hes coming at a discount.

To Rangers:
Higgins - LW
Chipchura - C

To Montreal:
Lundquivst - G
Poti - D

Montreal has one of the best goaltenders in the league but no solid goalies in their system imo. They can afford to deal two forwards because of the quality and depth in their system. Poti would be great on their power play feeding Souray for one-timers.

FUTURE LINES:

Korpikoski - Hudler - Grigorenko
Michalek - Graham/Immonen - Jessiman
Lundmark - Chipchura - Murray
Higgins - Falardeau - Ortmeyer

Tyutin - Coburn
Fischer - Pock
Kondratiev - Taylor

Montoya
Labarbera

Extras: D. Moore, Lampman, Baranka, Jonasen, Prucha, Dawes, Giroux, Roche, Kozak, helminen, all of our second/third round picks from this past draft

THIS IS MY DREAM TEAM BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

How can you say Atlanta is in a weak division. The Stanley Cup Champion came from there division. You think that Atlanta has any chance of unseeding the Bolts?

To Rangers:
Grigorenko - RW
Hudler - C
Fischer - D

To Detroit:
Jagr - RW

Detroit is not at all in a rebuilding mode and with the loss of Hull they do not have a scorer on the right side. Jagr as we know has been the most consistent point producer in the past few years. He also is not much of a financial burden because of the money the Caps are paying.


NYR acquired Jagr for Anson Carter with Washington picking up $5m a year. Do you think he's worth more than that now?

NYR acquired Jagr for Anson Carter with Washington picking up $5m a year. Do you think he's worth more than that now?


He is for two reasons:

1) He's cheaper than he was.

2) He is not the financial anchor with the Rangers that he was with the Caps and the Rangers don't have to trade him.

Not saying that the Rangers would get a package like the proposed one back but they would certainly do better than Anson Carter.

He is for two reasons:

1) He's cheaper than he was.

2) He is not the financial anchor with the Rangers that he was with the Caps and the Rangers don't have to trade him.

Not saying that the Rangers would get a package like the proposed one back but they would certainly do better than Anson Carter.

1) Still the same $6m/year when the Rangers acquired him.

2) I'll agree with you on this one.

Coburn will be nothing more then a 5th, 6th defenseman and even the Thrashers have said that.

I don't know where you're getting your (mis)information from but Coburn is one of Atlanta's best prospects. He will anchor their top D-pair before long and he is Captain material.

It's no mis(information). Coburn has been disappointed according to Atlanta in the minors. I could care less where he was drafted. It means nothing. Brendl and Lundmark were drafted 4th and 9th. Stefan has been a total bust and he was first overall I believe.

It's about time people overrating all these other teams prospects because they simply aren't that good.

I'm still looking for that 5th-6th defenseman quote. I know I saw that. However, I did find this from the Hockey News

GM Don Waddell considered trading Coburn to Edmonton for then-free agent center Mike Comrie

Sorry but if this kid is as good as people here say there isn't a chance in blazes their GM ever would have considered that deal. People are fasicinated with 6'4, 6'5 defenseman. Bottom line is very few ever come close to becoming stars in the NHL. Ever since that bumbling clown Chara turned into an All-Star everybody thinks all these big guys will do the same. It simply doesn't happen

I wouldn't trade Fedor for Coburn in a 1000 years.

It's no mis(information). Coburn has been disappointed according to Atlanta in the minors. I could care less where he was drafted. It means nothing. Brendl and Lundmark were drafted 4th and 9th. Stefan has been a total bust and he was first overall I believe.

It's about time people overrating all these other teams prospects because they simply aren't that good.

First off, he was with Portland last year in the WHL, so he didn't play in the minors. Anytime you listen to hockey experts, they say that Coburn is the real deal, top 2 defenseman in the making. He might be the most offensive defenseman coming out of juniors, but he hits like a mack truck!! Coburn has a higher upside than Fedor and I would take Coburn over Fedor everytime and Fedor is one of my favorite prospects.

I'm still looking for that 5th-6th defenseman quote. I know I saw that.
Sorry but if this kid is as good as people here say there isn't a chance in blazes their GM ever would have considered that deal.
You're going to be looking for quite a long time for that quote. A very, very long time.
They may have considered the deal becuase Comrie is a very good prospect as well.

"It's no mis(information). Coburn has been disappointed according to Atlanta in the minors. "

You've yet to produce a shred of proof that anything remotely close to that is true. The fact of the matter is that Coburn is one of the better defensive prospects in hockey. I have a friend who lives in Atlanta and goes to a good amount of game. The Trash absolutely love the kid.

The trade just won't happen though. Jagr loves NY. He wants to stay there. He deferred 1 million from his contract for a no-trade clause. He's staying in NY.

And for the guy who said Coburn was soft??????? soft????? soft??????
The guys a huge physical defenseman. I recall last years draft, when phaneuf and coburn were drafted....they were called to be similar players. Huge stay-at-home dmen who love to hit. He also has offensive skills... and you call this guy a 5th defenseman. This guy is going to be one of the most punishing defensemen in the NHL, Bryan Marchment with Talent and Skill. Plus he's 6"5!!!!!!!!!!!!

blackisback: You might want to take a look at this article to see how Atlanta views Coburn http://www.atlantathrashers.com/View.aspx?CID01=9236efc1-b536-44f8-9540-2664c50543e3