next years draft have crosby or 3 1 round picks?

what situation would u rather have as the rangers

1.)trade jagr at the dead line for a 1st and somemore

have 3 first rounders top 5 top 15 and around 25

so have 3 first rounders and 2 or three second rounders


or

2.)have the number 1 overal pick


personally i like the lightning and pistons philosophy lots of good to great players and no one superstar

so i like number 1

if your giving me Brule, Holzinger, and Charnov in the first roudn (three guys i absolutely love now) plus a few second rounders than i would definitely take that package over Sidney "Snappy happy" Crosby.

I'll take Jagr and Crosby. no-brainer.

thats what im saying i like johnson a lot more than brule but very happily take either


by the way name is for slats if he ever comes on here he will think we love him and mabye listen to us

its getting to the point were it is going well and im just wait to see tytin trade for pronger just waiting for something for us to be pissed off about

I'll take three potential star players over one potential super star. And that saying, if we get a Brule or Bertram they are also potential super stars (or at least high end players).

depends on where the 3 1st rounders are...

are we talking 2, 3, 5 where we can land brule, johnson and latendresse...or are you talking about having 2 picks in the 20-30 range??

obviously any team trading for jagr will be late in the 1st round...but where those picks are and who might be available makes a world of difference

I don't want Latendresse. I'd rather have Bertram or Setoguchi.

well we(as rangers fans) already having korpokoski in our future first line and next years middle second rounders will have better potential than him if we can get 6 or 7 pick in the top two rounds we will be set for a long time

how man picks do we have so far in 05?


so i would rather have two first and 4 senconds than having a #1 and 2 senconds (1 being very late flyers pick)

i think we will end up with a top five and a 20 with 3 seconds and 2 3rds my personal prediction

So far we have our first rounder

our second rounder
Philly's second rounder
Toronto's second rounder.

I don't want Latendresse. I'd rather have Bertram or Setoguchi.

Es-plain Lucy.

I don't want Latendresse. I'd rather have Bertram or Setoguchi.

those 3 names were just thrown out as examples...the basic point is that there is a huge difference between having 3 picks in the top 10 and having like washington did this year with 3 1st rounders but 2 of the 3 in the 25-30 range

what situation would u rather have as the rangers

1.)trade jagr at the dead line for a 1st and somemore

have 3 first rounders top 5 top 15 and around 25

so have 3 first rounders and 2 or three second rounders


or

2.)have the number 1 overal pick


personally i like the lightning and pistons philosophy lots of good to great players and no one superstar

so i like number 1

It's hard to say that the Lightning don't have a superstar when St. Louis won the Hart and the Pearson. And when they drafted Vinny (first overall), the Tampa owner called Lacavalier the "Michael Jordan of hockey." These are not superstars?

It's hard to say that the Lightning don't have a superstar when St. Louis won the Hart and the Pearson. And when they drafted Vinny (first overall), the Tampa owner called Lacavalier the "Michael Jordan of hockey." These are not superstars?

You could probably lump Bulin into that star group as well...

Crosby does not = Stanley Cup.

Winning is everything. Stars are only nice when they win. I say play out the entire season to win every game and if your lucky enough to draft Sidney Crosby then fine. Losing games on purpose won't get you Crosby. And if it does, doesnt mean you'll win anything. I have a feeling the Rangers are going to do what the Mets did. Be on the cusp of making the playoffs at the trade deadline and trade 3 young prospects who they just added or drafted for 3 vetern players.

am i wrong???

Crosby does not = Stanley Cup.

Winning is everything. Stars are only nice when they win. I say play out the entire season to win every game and if your lucky enough to draft Sidney Crosby then fine. Losing games on purpose won't get you Crosby. And if it does, doesnt mean you'll win anything. I have a feeling the Rangers are going to do what the Mets did. Be on the cusp of making the playoffs at the trade deadline and trade 3 young prospects who they just added or drafted for 3 vetern players.

am i wrong???

Yea, the Rangers will be 15 games out at the deadline, otherwise I'd probably agree with you.

I don't want Latendresse. I'd rather have Bertram or Setoguchi.

Rev,

How would you rate - Bertram, Setoguchi, Johnson, Anikeenko, and Latendresse?

Yea, the Rangers will be 15 games out at the deadline, otherwise I'd probably agree with you.

I dont think so, this year I think they will OVER achieve, not under.

This is a big draft for depth and you guys are a rebuilding team.

Stock up on picks and fill 2 or 3 needs. Draft a few strong defensive prospects, especially mean ones. You'll probably be able to get some scoring with your own first pick (which should be top 10).

Those second rounders are going to be valuable. In a class like this (or 2001 or 2003) you can pick up money players in round two, as you guys well know with Tjutin.

Crosby does not = Stanley Cup.

Winning is everything. Stars are only nice when they win. I say play out the entire season to win every game and if your lucky enough to draft Sidney Crosby then fine. Losing games on purpose won't get you Crosby. And if it does, doesnt mean you'll win anything. I have a feeling the Rangers are going to do what the Mets did. Be on the cusp of making the playoffs at the trade deadline and trade 3 young prospects who they just added or drafted for 3 vetern players.

am i wrong???

Machoking? What are you choking on?

Losing games on purpose won't get you Crosby.

who said anything about losing on purpose?? expecting the team to be bad and wanting them to lose on purpose aren't even close to being the same...

i expect 110% effort from the kids every night, but barring changes our current roster isn't much better than what pittsburgh had last year. so despite the effort, i think we'll be looking at a bottom 3 finish. maybe they will do better, but that is where i realistically see them finishing...

besides before a team can 'lose on purpose' they have to be capable of winning first...

As great a draft as it's projected to be, drafts in general are crapshoots. I'd rather take as sure a thing as Crosby who's dominated every level he's played in rather than three very good players who "might" make an impact. With Crosby and our three second round picks plus this past years draft, we will be in GREAT shape.

Crosby, who's an outstanding playmaker, will make all our other prospects better.

Its a no brainer.

You take Crosby.

Players you get at #5, #15 and #25 dont even compare.

Think about it. Only 50% of 1st rounders become solid NHLers. lets assume #5 and #15 do. That still isnt very favourable.

You take the best player in the world for his age range.


Its quite laughable people are actualy debating what to do.

Rev,

How would you rate - Bertram, Setoguchi, Johnson, Anikeenko, and Latendresse?

Im not Rev but ill rate them...you dont need to listen to my opinion :)

Latendresse
Anikennko
Setoguchi
Johnson
Bertram

BUT, they are all fairly close. Ask 10 people and they will arrange them differently.

Im not Rev but ill rate them...you dont need to listen to my opinion :)

Latendresse
Anikennko
Setoguchi
Johnson
Bertram

BUT, they are all fairly close. Ask 10 people and they will arrange them differently.
same list for me ...
Latendresse is the next big thing!after Nash,Thornton and Bertuzzi ..
i like him a looooots..
and i want the habs to grab him ! :banana:

Those are good lists, i'd put Jack Johnson ahead of Setoguchi because i'm not a biased Canadian :p:

If the Rangers get 2 first rounders through trades this season, they should keep them. As someone previously said, you have about a 50% chance of drafting a solid NHL player in the first round. If that's true, than if you scout well you should be able to get 2 outa 3. The main problem with the Rangers system at this point is that it lacks some top line talent. I consider most first rounders first line talent. With that said, the Rangers would be better off taking 2-3 first line talent type players than just one. Crosby will probably be a very good player, but if you make smart picks at 5 and 15, you should be able to get a top line defenseman AND a top line forward, instead of just the forward. And this is true especially in a very strong draft year. The player we take at 15 and even at 25 is a guy who might have top 10 talent but drops simply because of the strength of the draft.

Personally, if the situation were 5,15,25... I think the Rangers should trade the 15 and the 25 and move up into the top 6. Lets just say the Rangers trade up to the 3rd spot...I would rather have the 3rd best player and the 5th best player than Crosby. We would be in a position to take 2 players who complement each other. Can you imagine if we made such a trade and landed Anikeenko and Johnson in the top 5-8? Between those 2 and Tyutin, the top half of our defense would most likely be set for many years.

okay lightning have some superstars but only one that was supposed to be a superstar you need them but threw your system not trading for them

personally i would take crosby=gretzy=cup

okay lightning have some superstars but only one that was supposed to be a superstar you need them but threw your system not trading for them


You mean like Mark Messier?

okay lightning have some superstars but only one that was supposed to be a superstar you need them but threw your system not trading for them

personally i would take crosby=gretzy=cup
What something is SUPPOSED to be and what is is entirely 2 different things. The fact of the matter is that the 'Bolts have 3 legit superstars (Lecavalier, St. Louis, & 'Bulin). Then you throw in a player that is on the verge like Brad Richards, and you have a very good team. And we have not mentioned even some of the better, younger defensemen that they have.
As for the rather absurd statement that "crosby=gretzy=cup", come on already. First of all, you have no idea what Crosby will be like. Daigle was highly touted. History annals are filled with hyped up failures. IMO, Crosby will be a very good player, POSSIBLY even a suprestar, but to compare him to the greates ever, before he even has set a toe onto NHL ice is ludicrous. Remember when Lindros was "the next one"?
And I think that it has been proven that even the greatest player in history CANNOT win the Cup by himself. So to say that acquiring Crosby will instantly equal the Cup, is ridiculous.

Those are good lists, i'd put Jack Johnson ahead of Setoguchi because i'm not a biased Canadian :p:

LOL reason i had Johnson lower is because is is 6'00 190..smallish for a dman.

And Setogouchi is that good.

LOL reason i had Johnson lower is because is is 6'00 190..smallish for a dman.

And Setogouchi is that good.

:D Just joking around, you're right, Setogouchi is a good looking prospect, too early to really get a handle on who's ahead.

I believe Johnson is still growing, 6'1 200 is NOT smallish for a D-man, the league isn't the land of Chara's just yet.

:D Just joking around, you're right, Setogouchi is a good looking prospect, too early to really get a handle on who's ahead.

I believe Johnson is still growing, 6'1 200 is NOT smallish for a D-man, the league isn't the land of Chara's just yet.

I wish you were right :)

But it seems people dont even look at defensmen unless they are 6'02 plus.

For god sakes Jovonovski is the smallest dman on Vancouver.

Let me answer the original question this way: This year, I probably would rather have had Ovechkin over 3 other picks in this draft. I know next year's draft is supposed to be deeper but it all depends on just how much better Crosby looks to be than the rest of the draft class.

Es-plain Lucy.

Not a fan of his. Just not a fan.

I was in the same boat as Bernier. Just don't like either of them.

Im not Rev but ill rate them...you dont need to listen to my opinion :)

Latendresse
Anikennko
Setoguchi
Johnson
Bertram

BUT, they are all fairly close. Ask 10 people and they will arrange them differently.

This is such a deep draft. I think the top 10 or so picks (besides #1) can pretty much go either way. I don't know if Brule will even be #2 with so many people having Latendresse gaining on him. I've never been a big fan of his, really. Something just bothers me and I can't really pin point it.

I like the way you rank them, but I have Anikennko and Johnson switched. At least in the order they will go (not my PREFERENCE, but the order). I'd take Latendresse over Anikennko and Johnson. I'm pretty high on Brule. He is just a smart smart hockey player with lightning speed.

I'm pretty high on Brule. He is just a smart smart hockey player with lightning speed.
I like him too, but his size is an issue to me in the bigger East. To tell the truth, I am torn between Brule and either of the top 2 defenseman. I am just writing off the Rangers getting Crosby. It is too much to hope for. We are very close to having a VERY GOOD young defense corps. All that is missing is that legit #1 defenseman. That's the choice as far as I see. Brule or a #1 defenseman.

I like him too, but his size is an issue to me in the bigger East.

Philly - M.Richards
Isles - Nilsson
Devs - Parise
Tor - Steen


These are some recent 1st rounders taken by Eastern Conf. teams. As long as you have your bigger guys on board, taking the 'little' guys with skill shouldn't be a question, even in the east.

Oh, and did Marty St.Louis not teach anyone anything about the little guys with skill?

As long as you have your bigger guys on board, taking the 'little' guys with skill shouldn't be a question, even in the east.

Oh, and did Marty St.Louis not teach anyone anything about the little guys with skill?
Two things, Bluenote. 1) Who are our "bigger guys"? 2) There's a reason that there is only one St. Louis and, to a MUCH lesser extent, only one Gionta or York. Same reason that for the longest time there was only one Theo Fleury. Sure, little guys can play. However, players like St. Louis and Gionta are the exception rather than the rule. Small players, by and large, DO NOT make it in the NHL. Off course there are example of various ones that had (like the ones that I mentioned), but for the most part, smaller bodies take a beating that they cannot recover from by March.

Two things, Bluenote. 1) Who are our "bigger guys"? 2) There's a reason that there is only one St. Louis and, to a MUCH lesser extent, only one Gionta or York. Same reason that for the longest time there was only one Theo Fleury. Sure, little guys can play. However, players like St. Louis and Gionta are the exception rather than the rule. Small players, by and large, DO NOT make it in the NHL. Off course there are example of various ones that had (like the ones that I mentioned), but for the most part, smaller bodies take a beating that they cannot recover from by March.

1)Jessiman is a good start, just remember, whoever we pick next year will still be a few years away, PLENTY of time to load up on size. Plus there are big guys in our organization who we could be seeing by then as well - Jonasen, Graham, Taylor, etc.

2)But again, we're not talking about 5'8 guys, Brule/Crosby are 5'11 at the NHL level at the very least! How many guys can you name that are 5'10/5'11? A few no?

2)But again, we're not talking about 5'8 guys, Brule/Crosby are 5'11 at the NHL level at the very least! How many guys can you name that are 5'10/5'11? A few no?
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