[GER] the official world cup of hockey thread

not many days left until the world cup of hockey starts, so it's time to discuss it. what are the chances of the german team to avoid the 8th place? what do you think about the german roster? will you attend to some games in cologne or elsewhere?

i'll be at the german game against finland on september 3rd (or 2nd?), along with bakos and franz.

Hi,
I will be at the exhibition game against Russia on 22. august. Hope the russian roster will still contain some NHL Stars at this time... :banghead:

Magro

first of all, welcome to these boards! :)


I will be at the exhibition game against Russia on 22. august. Hope the russian roster will still contain some NHL Stars at this time... :banghead:


i'm pretty sure the russians will have some NHL stars on it on august 22nd.

i'll be at the german game against finland on september 3rd (or 2nd?), along with bakos and franz.

2nd (friday). And you're there as well?? :eek:

:D

I will be in Cologne against Finnland..... :yo:

How important is the world cup to the fans in Germany (I mean the average hockey fan, not the hfboard poster) ? And to the DEB ?

I guess the world championnships are more important to german hockey as it is the tournament where they fight for their 8th place among hockey countries, so do germans take the world cup just as a way to start the season ?

How important is the world cup to the fans in Germany (I mean the average hockey fan, not the hfboard poster) ? And to the DEB ?

I guess the world championnships are more important to german hockey as it is the tournament where they fight for their 8th place among hockey countries, so do germans take the world cup just as a way to start the season ?

You are right. The IIHF-worldchampionships are more important for the average hockey fan. The normal sport press doesnt write much about the world cup. I dont know if any game will be broadcasted on Premiere or an other channel.
For Germany and the DEB it is shurely a honor to take part on this tournament, but without a success, they will not get much attention.

Magro

For Germany and the DEB it is shurely a honor to take part on this tournament, but without a success, they will not get much attention.

Magro

But what's the DEB view of the tournament ? Is it "It's honor to play but the goal of the season is to reach the top 8 in may" or "Let's prepare hard and win this" ? Judging by the timing of Hans Zach's resignation, it seems to be the former.

But what's the DEB view of the tournament ? Is it "It's honor to play but the goal of the season is to reach the top 8 in may" or "Let's prepare hard and win this" ? Judging by the timing of Hans Zach's resignation, it seems to be the former.

That Franz Reindl will coach the german team and not Greg Poss, says much about the view of the DEB. I think your sentence with "its a honor, but the goal is a good position in may" is the reality.
At the WC the german team can't loose much, but a bad position on the IIHF Championships could be devastatingly.

Magro

2nd (friday). And you're there as well?? :eek:

:D

a friday? i always thought a thurday...oh well...party on! :yo:

That Franz Reindl will coach the german team and not Greg Poss, says much about the view of the DEB. I think your sentence with "its a honor, but the goal is a good position in may" is the reality.
At the WC the german team can't loose much, but a bad position on the IIHF Championships could be devastatingly.


can't argue with magro, because he's a huskies fan. :D

but they take it seriously, because it's a chance to see all germans (NHLer incl.) play and the not so experienced players can learn a lot. and it's a chance to train for a possible olympic tournament with all players on board.

so it's not the biggest goal to win it, but it is taken seriously.

can't argue with magro, because he's a huskies fan. :D


Are we so hated, that still Örebro fans are against us? :cry: Cant remember that we ever played against them... :D
Or are you a Lions, Haie or Eisbären fan in disguise? ;)

Magro

Are we so hated, that still Örebro fans are against us? :cry: Cant remember that we ever played against them... :D
Or are you a Lions, Haie or Eisbären fan in disguise? ;)

Yeah, Zecke, shame on you! You dirty Eisbären-fan!! :D :lol

Are we so hated, that still Örebro fans are against us? :cry: Cant remember that we ever played against them... :D


hehehe, örebro indeed never played against the huskies.


Or are you a Lions, Haie or Eisbären fan in disguise? ;)


nah, i'd rather kill myself than being a fan of those teams. i know that you are active on the official huskies board. look at who started the trattnig to columbus thread or the drury was taken in WHA draft one. :)

Yeah, Zecke, shame on you! You dirty Eisbären-fan!! :D :lol

:lol

i know i said i have no problems with the eisbaeren nowadays because the fanscene is less stupid and they try to help german hockey, but i'm faaaaaaar away from being a fan.

:lol

i know i said i have no problems with the eisbaeren nowadays because the fanscene is less stupid and they try to help german hockey, but i'm faaaaaaar away from being a fan.

Well, this goeas a bit off topic now, but I still know people who tell me that they can't walk through Hohenschönhausen with their spanish-looking girlfriend... This year, at the finals.

Well, this goeas a bit off topic now, but I still know people who tell me that they can't walk through Hohenschönhausen with their spanish-looking girlfriend... This year, at the finals.

the problem isn't solved yet, that's for sure. but it's more hohenschoenhausen than the eisbaeren.

but please no eisbaeren discussion again. :)

the problem isn't solved yet, that's for sure. but it's more hohenschoenhausen than the eisbaeren.

but please no eisbaeren discussion again. :)

Well, it was at one final game this year and without wearing Lions jerseys.

Anyway, I'll stop it.

i know that you are active on the official huskies board. look at who started the trattnig to columbus thread or the drury was taken in WHA draft one.
Ahh i see. But i'm mainly active at the HFO-Board (http://2006716.homepagemodules.de/?board=2006716) ;)
Well, this goeas a bit off topic now, but I still know people who tell me that they can't walk through Hohenschönhausen with their spanish-looking girlfriend... This year, at the finals.
Yeah, the times are very dark for germany, when Frankfurt and the Eisbären play already in the DEL-finals... :shakehead

But ok, back to the topic ->
There you can see a picture of the World Cup trophy: http://www.wch2004.com/trophy/index.html
I think, it looks a little bit like an exhaust with some glasses for "Weizenbier" put on it. Very strange design. ;)

Magro

Ahh i see. But i'm mainly active at the HFO-Board (http://2006716.homepagemodules.de/?board=2006716) ;)


ah, i see. well i tried to avoid contact with most huskies fans in the past, because i rarely met nice guys. i even watched just a few games last season and had no season ticket like the years before.

is schnitzelgott active on the HFO-board? :)

well i tried to avoid contact with most huskies fans in the past, because i rarely met nice guys. i even watched just a few games last season and had no season ticket like the years before.
Yes ok, there are always some idiots at the games (especially these "Ultra"-Guys"), but I already met many people who are very ok.

is schnitzelgott active on the HFO-board? :)
Yes, but very rarely. I dont know him personally, although he's a HFO member...perhaps from seeing. But on the board and in the HFO fanclub are many people who know him. :)

Magro

Yes ok, there are always some idiots at the games (especially these "Ultra"-Guys"), but I already met many people who are very ok.


hehe, that's true. and i am standing in the h-block usually, so their get on my nerves a lot. :)


Yes, but very rarely. I dont know him personally, although he's a HFO member...perhaps from seeing. But on the board and in the HFO fanclub are many people who know him. :)


i know him as well, he's a real freak. maybe i'll take a look at the HFO board as well.

hehe, that's true. and i am standing in the h-block usually, so their get on my nerves a lot. :)

Yeah, you've always been an H-Blockx fan. :D :banana:

Jan Benda won't play in the World Cup. His new team Khimik Voskresensk doesn't allow him to play, they need him, because the RSL starts Septermber 1st.

Christoph Ullmann will replace him.

Jan Benda won't play in the World Cup. His new team Khimik Voskresensk doesn't allow him to play, they need him, because the RSL starts Septermber 1st.

Christoph Ullmann will replace him.

:banghead:

We would have needed him and his size and style of play badly.
I like Ullmann but he's soft.

:banghead:

We would have needed him and his size and style of play badly.
I like Ullmann but he's soft.

In addition, Jan Benda simply means a lot to this German club. He is the most international player on the team and can serve in many positions. Wonderful chance for Ullmann, but there's no way he comes close to replacing Benda's presence.

In addition, I know many harp on Greilinger for being lazy and incapable, but I don't think Fical is truly a comparable replacement..... and seeing how he comes straight from the Ice Tigers, it certainly is a case of Poss having seen some summer training "vor Ort" and then making this decision. I'll be curious to see if he can be anything but a minus player.

:dunno:

I found this on the official world cup site:

http://www.wch04.com/countries/ger/preview_germany081804.html

Its pretty much common knowledge, but nice to see team Germany given a fighting chance.

Marco Sturm has been named the captain of the German World Cup Team.

Marco Sturm has been named the captain of the German World Cup Team.

I guess that means he is fit to play!

After the drop-outs, lets try and put together the lineup for team Germany:

Sturm-Goc-Kreutzer
Hecht-Ustorf-Kathan
Lewandowski-Boos-Reichel
Morczinietz-Abstreiter-Ullman

Seidenberg-Luedemann
Ehrhoff-Goc
Schubert-Leask

Kolzig
Mueller
Jonas

Nice balances on each line, however, would Martinec or Retzer start over the others I have listed?? Also, is Kathan capable of playing on the second line? I know he has scored in past tournaments (though not recently).

Lets hear the comments.

I don't think the lineup looks to shabby to me. I think they could sneak up on a few teams if Kolzig is on his game.

Good start, a tie against Russia is always good. :handclap:

Now the rest of the team needs to score, we can't just rely on Hecht, Goc and Sturm (who played together in a line today).

It was a really good game and I was quite happy to see Stars like Gonchar, Yashin, Kwasha and so on live. :handclap: :)

Germany played very good and also had many chances to win the game! But ok, the russian goalie had a very bad day...

Magro

Who was in goal for Russia?

Awesome to see the tie with Russia. :handclap: Although you always want the win. Nice to see the two German Barons play well( Goc, Ehrhoff). I really do think they could have a good finish at this World Cup.

when is the next game for Germany?

At 25.08.2004 in the "KölnArena"!!

Whats the possible line-up? I think it could be that:

Sturm - M.Goc - Hecht
Lewandowski - Ustorf - Kreutzer
Morczinietz - Abstreiter - Kathan
Martinec - Boos - Retzer
Scratched: Ullmann, Fical, Reichel

Seidenberg - Lüdemann
Ehrhoff - Schubert
S.Goc - Leask
Scratched: Renz, Koppitz

Kölzig
Müller

I think the lose of Benda is very hard for us, Ullmann is very good, but Benda ist much better with his experience on international tournaments! The lose of Greilinger is not so badly, cause he would be just reserve player. Fical isn´t as good as Greilinger, but the lose of Benda is much worser!

Whats the possible line-up? I think it could be that:

Sturm - M.Goc - Hecht
Lewandowski - Ustorf - Kreutzer
Morczinietz - Abstreiter - Kathan
Martinec - Boos - Retzer
Scratched: Ullmann, Fical, Reichel

Seidenberg - Lüdemann
Ehrhoff - Schubert
S.Goc - Leask
Scratched: Renz, Koppitz

Kölzig
Müller

I think the lose of Benda is very hard for us, Ullmann is very good, but Benda ist much better with his experience on international tournaments! The lose of Greilinger is not so badly, cause he would be just reserve player. Fical isn´t as good as Greilinger, but the lose of Benda is much worser!
Keeping Benda out of this event is just ridiculous. Really disappointed to hear of this loss, the group is tough enough as it is. I am not a big Abstreiter fan. He's got some nice skill but i question whether he has the desire to compete against these players at the highest levels. I will be watching closely to see if Ullman gets some time, i like him but think he may be in over his head at this event. It would be nice to see the German's pull a big upset- no better place than the quarters. Bring back Soccio!!

Keeping Benda out of this event is just ridiculous. Really disappointed to hear of this loss, the group is tough enough as it is. I am not a big Abstreiter fan. He's got some nice skill but i question whether he has the desire to compete against these players at the highest levels. I will be watching closely to see if Ullman gets some time, i like him but think he may be in over his head at this event. It would be nice to see the German's pull a big upset- no better place than the quarters. Bring back Soccio!!

i can't disagree more on abstreiter and soccio. abstreiter plays with passion, he's a nice guy and always critical to himself and his teammates. he always wants it.
soccio's days are over and it's good. i've never liked him.

Greilinger wouldn't have been a replacement player, he was after all the best German scorer in the DEL last season.

The only forwards I wouldn't scratch for him are Sturm, Hecht, Goc, Kreutzer and Lewandowski, everyone else is worse.

i can't disagree more on abstreiter and soccio. abstreiter plays with passion, he's a nice guy and always critical to himself and his teammates. he always wants it.
soccio's days are over and it's good. i've never liked him.


Awwww Zecke, don't forget that Germany's rise from the B-Group back into the A-Group and then into WC and Olympic contention unmistakenly coincided with Soccio's becoming the 1st line center for Team Germany. He radically changed things. Sure, he seems old now, but he did a GREAT service in his short time as part of Team Germany. This fact cannot be denied!
:dunno: :yo:

Awwww Zecke, don't forget that Germany's rise from the B-Group back into the A-Group and then into WC and Olympic contention unmistakenly coincided with Soccio's becoming the 1st line center for Team Germany. He radically changed things. Sure, he seems old now, but he did a GREAT service in his short time as part of Team Germany. This fact cannot be denied!
:dunno: :yo:

I wouldn´t deny it, but i don´t like dressing players because of what they´ve done in the past. Thanks Len, but now the best players have to be dressed and Len isn´t in this group.

I can´t see one point that´s true in SwisshockeyAcademy´s description of Abstreiter.
Abstreiter is the perfect fit and to question his desire...i´m speachless. If you see him, you see "the desire" itself and nothing else.

I've seen many German national team games and have never seen Abstreiter make any kind of difference. I like the package -i don't see any results. Maybe i do not see him enough to see what you guys see.

I wouldn´t deny it, but i don´t like dressing players because of what they´ve done in the past. Thanks Len, but now the best players have to be dressed and Len isn´t in this group.

I can´t see one point that´s true in SwisshockeyAcademy´s description of Abstreiter.
Abstreiter is the perfect fit and to question his desire...i´m speachless. If you see him, you see "the desire" itself and nothing else.
I was kidding on Soccio, i know he has moved on from the national scene but he played a really fine game against Canada at the Olympics, plenty of confidence on the puck. I will watch every German game and will keep a close eye on Abstreiter- i could be wrong about him. Hopefully we'll see the Germans in Toronto.

I wouldn´t deny it, but i don´t like dressing players because of what they´ve done in the past. Thanks Len, but now the best players have to be dressed and Len isn´t in this group.


Don't worry Bakos, I didn't claim Soccio should be on the team now, just wanted to respond to what seemed like a blatant Huskie-provoked lack of appreciation for Soccio's achievements from Zecke!:-)


I can´t see one point that´s true in SwisshockeyAcademy´s description of Abstreiter. Abstreiter is the perfect fit and to question his desire...i´m speachless. If you see him, you see "the desire" itself and nothing else.

After having seen Abstreiter have a decent year for Hamburg last season, I can say that he has good and bad days and he is capable and willing to drive to the net. I never see him being national team material and I doubt he'll ever have more than maybe one 10-15-25 type season!

:)

I was kidding on Soccio, i know he has moved on from the national scene but he played a really fine game against Canada at the Olympics, plenty of confidence on the puck. I will watch every German game and will keep a close eye on Abstreiter- i could be wrong about him. Hopefully we'll see the Germans in Toronto.


Ohhhhh, crap, my bad! I didn't know you guys were talking about Kassel's Abstreiter. Sorry about that. Yep, he's actually one of the few dependable centers team Germany has. In this tournament they're gonna have to REALLY hope that the Sturm-Goc-Hecht line can be good for 2 or 3 goals a game, cause that's about it! Ustorf, Abstreiter, Ullman, etc. just aren't gonna be able to do much against the other teams in this tournament, but we're definitely hoping for a gooooooodddd showing. The Germans usually play very well with Canada and America.... it's more their style! In fact, they constantly give Canada fits. A shame however that in Sweden and the Czech Republic, they are facing two countries that usually make Germany look real bad!

Don't worry Bakos, I didn't claim Soccio should be on the team now, just wanted to respond to what seemed like a blatant Huskie-provoked lack of appreciation for Soccio's achievements from Zecke!:-)


there could be some truth in it. soccio was the only german national team member who was always booed here and "soccio, you a-hole" was a very popular chant. he did some things against fans of other teams that were not acceptable and therefore i will never like him, no matter what he did for germany. and playing for the scorpions isn't anything good. :)

I've seen many German national team games and have never seen Abstreiter make any kind of difference. I like the package -i don't see any results. Maybe i do not see him enough to see what you guys see.

i have seen him for years every week and i talked to him several times. when the team ran away from the fans after the game, you could be sure, he was there to talk with them. he always accepted criticism. even when hans zach was provoking fans and he wanted the players not to talk, abstreiter talked.
and that's what i expect from abstreiter when playing for germany. giving 110 percent and be honest to everyone. he's a leader like no other on the german team is. you need someone like him, even if he's not the most skilled player.

I think that both Abstreiter and Soccio deserve to be on the team.

But will someone please say why Greilinger is not on this team anymore?

Greilinger has problems with his back! So hard that he cannot play on the World Cup! It´s a pity .. I like Greilinger, he is a player who gives everything for Germany!

After having seen Abstreiter have a decent year for Hamburg last season, I can say that he has good and bad days and he is capable and willing to drive to the net. I never see him being national team material and I doubt he'll ever have more than maybe one 10-15-25 type season!

:)

We are talking about Tobias Abstreiter, not Peter ;)

Too bad, he was one of the guys I wanted to check out. Thanks for the info.

The game against the czechs was also great. Marcel Goc has played like the wind. If he constant plays like this, I'am shure that he will become a big one in the NHL.
I upload some pics of this game later.

Here you can see some pics from a friend of the game against the russians: http://www.pixum.de/viewalbum/?id=1417807 ;)

Magro

The game against the czechs was also great. Marcel Goc has played like the wind. If he constant plays like this, I'am shure that he will become a big one in the NHL.
I upload some pics of this game later.

Here you can see some pics from a friend of the game against the russians: http://www.pixum.de/viewalbum/?id=1417807 ;)

Magro


Great stuff Magro, thanks a lot for the pics!

By the way, word is from the SJ camp, that Goc's development plays a BIG role in why they allowed both Damphousse and Ricci to walk!

So far, it sounds like he, Sturm and Hecht are the Hoffnungsträger for this tournament! Yiiiiiihawwwww!

Here ca 300 pics of the game GER vs CZECH...

My pics: http://www.pixum.de/viewalbum/?id=1419281
Pics of friends: http://www.pixum.de/viewalbum/?id=1419143
http://www.pixum.de/viewalbum/?id=1419087

;)
My favorite pic..->
http://www.pixum.de/int/img.php?u=magro28&t=2&i3=!4054849834486413470480874586&ts=12656&np=1
:goodmod: ;)

Yeah, Sharks GM Doug Wilson said at the beginning of the offseason that they were letting Ricci go in favor of Mark Smith and Marcel Goc. Damphousse was let go because Sturm and Michalek are coming back from injuries.

I think that both Abstreiter and Soccio deserve to be on the team.

But will someone please say why Greilinger is not on this team anymore?

Actually, Greilinger has had some difficulties with Team Germany's designated head coach Greg Poss. Poss, also coach of the Nuremberg Ice Tigers, traded Greilinger to the Mannheim Eagles for German international Tomas Martinec. Poss seemingly was not satisfied with Greilinger's attitude and claimed that he was overweight. In a recent interview Poss said that Greilinger would only be nominated for Team Germany for future matches if he'd loose some weight. I don't know if this was actually the reason for Greilinger's not being on Team Germany for the World Cup as it was interim-coach and GM Franz Reindl who put the team together. But I'd be surprised if Poss hadn't had some influence on how the team looks like. Anyway, it seems that we won't see Greilinger on Team Germany in the near future, which is sad, because he was arguably one of the better German players in the DEL last season.

Tonight it all starts for Team Germany! Can they squeek out a tie???

Many will be watching - hope you folks have Premiere!
The Swedes seem to think they have their best team ever (despite Nylander and Kenny Jönsson not being included) and their press is also putting on the pressure to finally get a tital since it'll be the last time this group will be playing together (i.e., Sündin, Forsberg, Näslund, Lidström, etc.)

Should be fun!

Greilinger has injury problems right now. Poss said their relationship is okay and even if it were not, he would never let personal feelings get in the way.


I don't think Germany has a chance today. Looking at the last few tournaments, we always looked bad against Sweden, one blow out loss after another.

I second that...Germany has much better chances against the Finns and Czechs (esp if they continue to play the way they did against the Finns).

I hope that they at least pull off one upset. This team gets little respect (even though they have showed they can play with the best).

Is the World Cup broadcasted on any TV station in Germany, and if so, which one? I've got a friend in Bayern (Bavaria) but he says he hasn't even heard of the tournament because hockey isn't that popular in Germany (compared to soccer at least). He likes hockey though and enjoys watching the World Championships. So if the World Cup is actually on I'd like to tell him where he can watch the games. :)

Is the World Cup broadcasted on any TV station in Germany, and if so, which one? I've got a friend in Bayern (Bavaria) but he says he hasn't even heard of the tournament because hockey isn't that popular in Germany (compared to soccer at least). He likes hockey though and enjoys watching the World Championships. So if the World Cup is actually on I'd like to tell him where he can watch the games. :)

The games with germany and the finals are broadcasted on Premiere (Pay TV) in germany.

Magro

I thought Germany played their best game last night, far and away. So disappointing that the game didn't go into OT :banghead:

Still, they showed character and heck, I don't know if Finland is going through internal problems (like with Niinimaa's walkout) or what, but the Germans gave them a hard time and man, if only Hecht had connected on that tricky little pass from Fical! Sooooooo close.

An overtime game would have been REAL nice.

Still, by the next cup I suspect Germany will play a much greater role than in this one. Kolzig will be gone, but by then, Goc, Seidenberg and Erhoff will be seasoned veterans and who knows how improved the likes of Kreutzer, Schubert, Ullmann, Gawlik, Gogulla, Schauer, Sulzer, Kink, Hospelt, Pätzold, etc. will be!

All things considered though, the German's tournament was pretty much as expected!

Hecht sucks!

We definitely need someone who can actually put the puck in the net! Then we will be fine. :)

@Franz :mad:

@Franz :mad:

Err, what? :dunno:

Hecht sucks!


That´s an understatement !

He sucks BIG TIME !
He wasted lots of chances in Cologne and in the re-match against the Fins too.

He didn't really play well in the national team this year, but the rest of the time he is the best German.

Sturm is wasting many great chances as well, but he just has so many that he still scores. He would be a 40-50 goal scorer in the NHL, if his shot would be good enough to utilize all the chances he gets with his speed.

Neither Hecht nor Sturm are at the same level as the stars from Russia, Canada and so on, but they still have to lead their team in the same way. Not scoring doesn't mean you suck, because scoring isn't everything and every player has hot and cold streaks...

I'm not only missing the scoring from Hecht. I wrote it in the GDT (the first GER - FIN game in Köln), he was always a step too late. On offense, on defense, everywhere.

We lack a true goal scorer.

Christoph Gawlick is coming up, and guess what? He's really good in all areas, but like Marco and others, He has trouble finishing !!!

I agree.... Germans need a guy who just can shoot the puck. Gawlick wont be that guy.
Goc isn't a finisher either. In fact I think Ehrhoff has the best shot on Team Germany.

I thought Sturm and Hecht played overall though...In fact I was really impressed with Marco and relieved he's ok :)

Hecht sucks!

We definitely need someone who can actually put the puck in the net! Then we will be fine. :)


Well, surely you mind that in jest?! In fact, has there actually ever been a German player who scored 52 points in an NHL season, much less in only 64 games?

I think if you watch, you can definitely notice Hecht's ability to place his body in positions that make it difficult for defending players to take the puck from him. He's definitely turned into a North American player though.

Still, I think he'll be a big scorer in the DEL this season, if guys like Kelly can finally get their act together. Mannheim could just have to many chiefs up front, and not enough indians.

I don´t think that they´ve got too much chiefs right now.
Tripp, Healey, Kelly are not chiefs - they aren´t Indians either, something in the middle.
The defense has way to much Indians after Roach left and the forwards are solid in terms of leadership/experience, but you can´t compare them to the team last season or two seasons ago.

The problem will be the cheapshots.
Don´t know what will happen, when someone in the mold of Craighead runs into Huet and Tripp/Kelly are on the ice...that´s gonna be ugly :eek:

If you can use this to your own advantage you´ll get lots of powerplay against Mannheim, otherwise they won´t back down from anyone.