Hannan replaces Blake on Team Canada...Good? or Bad?

Hannan to replace Blake on Team Canada. What do you think of the move? And who would have been your choice and why?

I feel that it was a good choice, but there were a few others I may have had there instead....

McCabe - Really came into his own.
Aucoin - Why does this guy not get any respect?
Boynton - Young, tough, skilled.

I like him but I think there were some better players out there. Mccabe would be one but he would screw up everything because he's a Leaf.

I'll play the Blues' homer & ask: What about Barret Jackman?? :dunno: Or is he still rehabbing his shoulder??

Mccabe would be one but he would screw up everything because he's a Leaf.

eh?

Hannan to replace Blake on Team Canada. What do you think of the move? And who would have been your choice and why?

I feel that it was a good choice, but there were a few others I may have had there instead....

McCabe - Really came into his own.
Aucoin - Why does this guy not get any respect?
Boynton - Young, tough, skilled.

That's really the question...

Foote, Niedermayer, Pronger, Jovanovski and Blake were Canada's top 5 going in.

Redden, Regehr, and Brewer battle for the #6 job

Now, with Blake out, it means 2 of the above draw in, while Hannan takes a seat on the bench.

As for who could have been invited...

JBo - like him, but still kind of young. And in the event Canada does run into injuries on the blueline, probably better to go with a dman with some more NHL experience

McCabe - had 2 very strong seasons in the past 3 years. Made of couple of huge mistakes in the playoff series against the Flyers that is etched into the memory of his naysayers on this board.

Aucoin - plays a tonne with the Isles and has really improved his game. Being a RHS dman, he would have easily taken Blake's place on the right side to go with Foote and Jovo. Hard shot from the point and hopefully has learned to keep it down.

Souray - strong season this year, but still isn't quite there yet. Injuries slowed his rise.

Stuart - good year with the Sharks. Brings a bit more offense to the table than Hannan and probably would have been my choice if I was making it.

I'm content with the selection of Hannan. He might draw into a game or two, or he might sit the entire tournament.

I don't think Hannan is a bad decision, but I think Bouwmeester would be a better decision.

Argument being Bouwmeester could do more with the 4 minutes every other game than Hanna would.

I think it's a good decision. Aucoin would have been my second choice, and then third is McCabe. Boynton and JBo are good, but they're still really young, and have to prove themselves a bit more before they don the Red and White.

Niedermayer - Foote
Pronger - Jovo
Redden - Brewer

Even without Blake in, that's still a sick blueline.

Scott Hannan was added for his ability to shut down top opposing forwards.
Just ask Peter Forsberg.

Scott Hannan was added for his ability to shut down top opposing forwards.
Just ask Peter Forsberg.
Too bad he couldn't do the same on Iginla though

I personally thought one of your boys (Ohlund) was a better shut down defenseman then Hannan

Ohlund is better then Hannan by alot, but im saying Hannan was added because he is a better shut down dman then McCabe, or any other suitor. The only ice time Hannan might get is time on the PK or something, as Jovo, Nieds and Pronger will carry the offensive load from the backend.

All these mentions from Souray to Boynton, but I've yet to see anyone bringing up the name Philippe Boucher.

i wonder why.... perhaps because he isnt as good as them? I dont want to sound rude, but Boucher to team Canada? comon here.

How about Andrew Ference?

C'mon, you had to be impressed by his playoffs.

[/sarcasm]

All these mentions from Souray to Boynton, but I've yet to see anyone bringing up the name Philippe Boucher.

Boucher is nowhere near the level of these guys. Well, not nowhere near, but he's certainly well behind in most lists to be on team Canada. He probably wouldn't make Team Canada's B team. Hey, I guess that is "nowhere near".

Boucher is nowhere near the level of these guys. Well, not nowhere near, but he's certainly well behind in most lists to be on team Canada. He probably wouldn't make Team Canada's B team. Hey, I guess that is "nowhere near".

Boucher is easily better than Boynton and is certainly more dependable in his own zone than Souray. I think that Boucher and Hannan are very much alike actually..

But be free to think otherwise. But don't forget that Boucher has been our best defenseman ever since we signed him, and this included a Norris nomination season of Derian Hatcher, a strong Sergei Zubov, Darryl Sydor, Teppo Numminen and Richard Matvichuk. He logs 25 minutes a night, leads all our PK minutes in icetime and QB's the 2nd PP unit.

Boucher is easily better than Boynton and is certainly more dependable in his own zone than Souray. I think that Boucher and Hannan are very much alike actually..

But be free to think otherwise. But don't forget that Boucher has been our best defenseman ever since we signed him, and this included a Norris nomination season of Derian Hatcher, a strong Sergei Zubov, Darryl Sydor, Teppo Numminen and Richard Matvichuk. He logs 25 minutes a night, leads all our PK minutes in icetime and QB's the 2nd PP unit.

Boucher could be the Stars' best defenseman, but he's not on the level of guys like Nick Boynton and Scott Hannan. He's a pretty good player, but I'd definetely take a few defensemen over him:

McCabe
Boynton
Hannan
Souray
Aucoin
Stuart
Morris
Stevens(if healthy)
Bouwmeester


So if Blake and Stevens were healthy, he'd definetely be left off Team B. There's probably more I'd take over him, but I'm too lazy to list them.

I like him but I think there were some better players out there. Mccabe would be one but he would screw up everything because he's a Leaf.

:lol

And I like Hannan as a shut-down guy, and since they're playing on NA surfaces he'll be very effective, if they were playing on international ice, id go with Stuart or Souray in his place...

Whilst Scott Hannan is obviously not in Rob Blake's class, he is deserving of his spot. He often gets the top shut down job on star forwards and he plays a very good all-round gam. Unlike a lot of other shut down guys he's good with the puck as well and plays a no non-sense game. He's also young enough that his selection could bode well for future Canadian teams .....

Blake much better than Hannan! :shakehead
bouwmeester could be the best fill blake's role..

If Blake had stayed healthy and I had to pick the D for a Team Canada B it would be as follows:

Hannan Bouwmeester
McCabe Boynton
Aucoin Stuart
Ex. Souray, Morris

Now that's a better defence then most countries top teams if not all countries.

I would take Boynton over Boucher any day(I'm being unbiased here). :p:

I would take Boynton over Boucher any day(I'm being unbiased here). :p:

Come back when Boynton proves to be your best defenseman over the likes of Hatcher, Zubov, Sydor, Numminen and Matvichuk instead of McGillis, Gill and O'Donnol.

Hannan is a waste with no skill whatsoever. He's completely clutch and grabe guy which will get team canada in trouble. If Team canada wanted clutch and grabe defense why didn't they take anyone on calgary.

This is a joke. Fire Lowe and Gretzky.

:shakehead

If Team canada wanted clutch and grabe defense why didn't they take anyone on calgary.you mean like iginla or regehr???

stop posting

Well, I'm an Islander fan and you would think that I would have wanted Aucoin to get the nod. But, I personally think Hannan is a perfectly reasonable pick and I probably would have taken him before Aucoin and I would have definitely taken him before McCabe and Jaybo (not that JayBo isn't a stud - he is just a little young).

Some of the potential alternatives listed above are relatively unproven (Jackman) or simply not that good (Boucher). Hannan was the right choice.

you mean like iginla or regehr???

stop posting

Lol I knew HartHouse looked familiar.

http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=953259#post953259

:joker: What a clown.

Scott Hannan was added for his ability to shut down top opposing forwards.
Just ask Peter Forsberg.

All the clutching grabbing and holding really got Forsberg ticked off, and Hannan got away with it.

Not a fan of either team or player, just saying what I saw.

Hannan is a waste with no skill whatsoever. He's completely clutch and grabe guy which will get team canada in trouble. If Team canada wanted clutch and grabe defense why didn't they take anyone on calgary.

This is a joke. Fire Lowe and Gretzky.

:shakehead
You are the reason Toronto fans get a bad name. He's a hit and pin kind of guy who will not hurt you. He's got some ability although it can be said you can argue for many guys in this spot. I cannot make a super strong case against him. He'll be a reserve D man who can fill in if need be.

I would take Boynton over Boucher any day(I'm being unbiased here). :p:

I wouldn't.

Apparently, I'm not the only guy that thinks hannan is clutch and grab.

6 goals in 82 games, if he's not scoring what do you think he's doing? he's probably grabbing someone cause he's too slow to skate with them.

Are you telling me that Canada's best can only offer a guy that has a career high in 6 goals? lol

Lets get ready to watch a calgary like game, where you got no talent, you got skill so you gotta push, grab, trip your opponents.

And you're the reason, I would never go to Nova Scotia.

Lol I knew HartHouse looked familiar.

http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=953259#post953259

:joker: What a clown.


You're from vancouver what do you know? Its not like anyone from Vancouver knows anything about hockey.

If i'm a clown.. you're and ASS Clown. :lol:

Apparently, I'm not the only guy that thinks hannan is clutch and grab.

6 goals in 82 games, if he's not scoring what do you think he's doing? he's probably grabbing someone cause he's too slow to skate with them.

Are you telling me that Canada's best can only offer a guy that has a career high in 6 goals? lol

Lets get ready to watch a calgary like game, where you got no talent, you got skill so you gotta push, grab, trip your opponents.

And you're the reason, I would never go to Nova Scotia.

Just out of curiosity how many Sharks games have you watched? Not just you, but the rest of you making comments as if you have watched Hannan play 100's of games.

At the begining of last season there was an article in The Hockey News that stated Hannan and Aucoin are the most underated defensman in the league.

Hannan does not play clutch and grab. All of you are making that assumption based on the pictures from the Sharks/Av's series. Forsberg may be one of the greatest hockey players ever but he tries ever trick (cheat) in the book and then points the finger at the opponant like they were the one who started the crap. Hannan is a very smart player and he did not let Forsberg get away with it. This frustrated Forsberg (ie. all the stupid penalties he took) any clutching and grabbing you saw Hannan do was in response to Forsbergs clutching and grabbing.

We Sharks fans know that the rest of the hockey world pays little or no attention to us. As good as our team was this last season it was frustrating to get so little press.....but we are used to it. Most of our games start at either 9:30 or 10:30pm in most areas of North America so it is hard for me to imagine that many of you have seen all that many Sharks games. What few games you have seen, how much attention did you focus on Hannan? Not much I imagine, why would you? He has been underated the last few years and has gotten better and better with every game he plays. His great play did not begin in this years playoffs, if you want to pinpoint when his game started to advance you have to go back to the 2002 playoffs where he was also extremly effective against Forsberg in only his second full season in the NHL.

You can attack my comments all you want. But do you really have that much more hockey knowledge than the gentleman who picked Hannan. If so maybe you should contact team Cananda and have Gretzky removed for his lack of knowledge.

Just out of curiosity how many Sharks games have you watched? Not just you, but the rest of you making comments as if you have watched Hannan play 100's of games.

At the begining of last season there was an article in The Hockey News that stated Hannan and Aucoin are the most underated defensman in the league.

Hannan does not play clutch and grab. All of you are making that assumption based on the pictures from the Sharks/Av's series. Forsberg may be one of the greatest hockey players ever but he tries ever trick (cheat) in the book and then points the finger at the opponant like they were the one who started the crap. Hannan is a very smart player and he did not let Forsberg get away with it. This frustrated Forsberg (ie. all the stupid penalties he took) any clutching and grabbing you saw Hannan do was in response to Forsbergs clutching and grabbing.

We Sharks fans know that the rest of the hockey world pays little or no attention to us. As good as our team was this last season it was frustrating to get so little press.....but we are used to it. Most of our games start at either 9:30 or 10:30pm in most areas of North America so it is hard for me to imagine that many of you have seen all that many Sharks games. What few games you have seen, how much attention did you focus on Hannan? Not much I imagine, why would you? He has been underated the last few years and has gotten better and better with every game he plays. His great play did not begin in this years playoffs, if you want to pinpoint when his game started to advance you have to go back to the 2002 playoffs where he was also extremly effective against Forsberg in only his second full season in the NHL.

You can attack my comments all you want. But do you really have that much more hockey knowledge than the gentleman who picked Hannan. If so maybe you should contact team Cananda and have Gretzky removed for his lack of knowledge.
Well said, I completly agree with you.
The fact is Hannan earned and deserves his spot on the team. I'm a huge Boynton fan but I can admit that Hannan deserved to be on the team.

Hannan is a waste with no skill whatsoever. He's completely clutch and grabe guy which will get team canada in trouble. If Team canada wanted clutch and grabe defense why didn't they take anyone on calgary.

This is a joke. Fire Lowe and Gretzky.

:shakehead



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you're and ASS Clown. :lol:
:joker:


6 goals in 82 games, if he's not scoring what do you think he's doing? he's probably grabbing someone cause he's too slow to skate with them.

Are you telling me that Canada's best can only offer a guy that has a career high in 6 goals? lol

Do you think Adam Foote belonged on the 2002 Olympic Team?

You're from vancouver what do you know? Its not like anyone from Vancouver knows anything about hockey.

If i'm a clown.. you're and ASS Clown. :lol:
You are a complete idiot and it doesn't matter where you are from. You obviously know nothing about hockey and are one of the stupidest posters i've ever seen on here.
Like someone else said it's because of morons like you that T.O. fans have a bad rep. Your last sentence didn't even make sense.
You really think you know more then Gretzky?
What have you ever accomplished that would make you think that you pathetic loser. You must be inbred. :banghead:

Bottom line, for the Sharks, Hannan gets the job done.

He's an excellent 'shut-down' defenseman, and while he isn't someone who will tear up the offensive end, he is anything but a liability based on his defensive play.

I would've prefered Bouwie get the spot, just give him a glimpse of the future, but with Hannan there, I will not be disappointed in the selection.

All these mentions from Souray to Boynton, but I've yet to see anyone bringing up the name Philippe Boucher.
Philippe who?!?

In the end - it doesn't really matter much. The guy is VERY unlikely to see a single minute of ice time.
Pronger, Foote, and Neidermayer are going to be teh big three. Wade Redden will, IMO, step up as the other member of the top four. Jovo and Brewer both have greatly superior skill sets and experience to the other alternatives. IMO the pairings may look like:
Pronger-Neidermayer
Foote-Brewer
Redden-Jovonovski

Pronger will be our number one guy playing all situations. Foote will be out there for all important defensive situations. Neidermayer will be out there on PPs and offensive situations because he's the best skater. Then it's just up to the other three to determine who plays the best to see where they fit in. I have those pairings that way because Brewer is the "young pup" of the group so I put him with the best guy defensively, and I put the steadiest guy (Redden) with the most unsteady(Jovo).

In the end - it doesn't really matter much. The guy is VERY unlikely to see a single minute of ice time.
Pronger, Foote, and Neidermayer are going to be teh big three. Wade Redden will, IMO, step up as the other member of the top four. Jovo and Brewer both have greatly superior skill sets and experience to the other alternatives. IMO the pairings may look like:
Pronger-Neidermayer
Foote-Brewer
Redden-Jovonovski

Pronger will be our number one guy playing all situations. Foote will be out there for all important defensive situations. Neidermayer will be out there on PPs and offensive situations because he's the best skater. Then it's just up to the other three to determine who plays the best to see where they fit in. I have those pairings that way because Brewer is the "young pup" of the group so I put him with the best guy defensively, and I put the steadiest guy (Redden) with the most unsteady(Jovo).

Since you state that as fact I assume you heard that directly from Gretzky or another memeber of team Canada's management?

Since you state that as fact I assume you heard that directly from Gretzky or another memeber of team Canada's management?


I like Hannan as much as the next guy. In fact, he is one of my favorite young players in the league. But, thome_26's take is reasonable and (as is typical of that poster) informed. And, btw, he did say "IMO." He did not claim to have heard directly from Gretzky.

You're from vancouver what do you know? Its not like anyone from Vancouver knows anything about hockey.

If i'm a clown.. you're and ASS Clown. :lol:
For the love of God man, do your self a favour and stop typing.
Even as a fellow Leafs fan I can be disgusted by your clear bias towards the city of Toronto and specifically the Leafs.

While I may have wanted to see McCabe get the spot Hannan is no pushover. He is an extremely reliable defenseman who is top notch at positioning and can be a tough cookie in all areas. To say scoring only six goals means he's a bad player is one of the most sorely lacking argument's I have ever heard. John Madden, one of the premier defensive forwards in the game scored only twelve goals this year at centre. Derian Hatcher was runner up for a Norris trophy last year with only 8 goals and Chris chelios was in the same position two years ago with a measley 6.

Stop being so bitter and biased and maybe, just maybe someone will give a bit of credibility to what you say.

Philippe who?!?

Philippe "I'd be the 3rd best defenseman on the Nucks" Boucher, that one..

Apparently, I'm not the only guy that thinks hannan is clutch and grab.

6 goals in 82 games, if he's not scoring what do you think he's doing? he's probably grabbing someone cause he's too slow to skate with them.

Are you telling me that Canada's best can only offer a guy that has a career high in 6 goals? lol

Lets get ready to watch a calgary like game, where you got no talent, you got skill so you gotta push, grab, trip your opponents.

And you're the reason, I would never go to Nova Scotia.
You must be posting this to give yourself a few chuckles and admittedly i was fooled into believing you were being serious.. You are like a few others i've seen just trying to stir ****. Well done. Keep on wasting everyone's time.

Jason Smith anyone ?

I would have preferred Adrian Aucoin myself. Easily the most underrated defenceman in the game today. Carried the Islanders on his back last year when everyone else was planning mutiny. Would have an excellent replacement for Blake. Maybe not as physical or as offensively dangerous, but can eat up big minutes while providing a steadying influence on the blue line and in the locker room. One of the best shots in the game, too.

However, Hannan is still an excellent choice. Ask Tkachuk, Forsberg and DeMitra about Hannan's defensive abilities. Will probably be the No. 8 defenceman for Canada, but he'd be a top six defenceman for any other country.

McCabe would have brought a lot of similar qualities as Blake, but he's very inconsistent. He's turnover prone, and he's a bit of a nut. That's what kept him off the team.

Bouwmeester isn't ready for this type of tournament, yet. He'll be there in 2006 and 2010 for the Olys. Souray has had one good year. He doesn't deserve consideration. Morris is coming off a terrible year and his wrist is still wonky. Boynton was an all-star last year, but it's not his time...yet. Same goes for the steady Chris Phillips.

Boucher? Jackman? Jason Smith? Pull your biased heads out of your *****. We're not picking the defence corps for Slovakia.

To Hart_House_Ca, I think the Toronto pollution and traffic are getting to you. I'd like to see the team you'd put together. Actually, I take that back. I don't want to see the team you'd put together. Olympic Golds for teams assembled by Wayne Gretzky: 1. (Instrumental in back-to-back world titles, too). Olympic golds for Hart_House: 0.

I like it. He is a better fit then McCabe. If Bouwmeester was a few years older I would have taken him. But I like the D how it is.

Apparently, I'm not the only guy that thinks hannan is clutch and grab.

6 goals in 82 games, if he's not scoring what do you think he's doing? he's probably grabbing someone cause he's too slow to skate with them.

Are you telling me that Canada's best can only offer a guy that has a career high in 6 goals? lol

Lets get ready to watch a calgary like game, where you got no talent, you got skill so you gotta push, grab, trip your opponents.

Well Adam Foote only averages around 6 goals a season. So he must be clutch and grab and doesn't deserve a spot on the team. In fact, why not have Andy Delmore on the team, he scores lots of goals. We'll just overlook the fact that he can't play defense and that we need him because the likes of Scott Niedermayer, Wade Redden, Ed Jovanovski, Eric Brewer and Chris Pronger are clearly not capable of contributing to the offensive game.

And I'd be happy to watch a Calgary like game. They were super exciting. High fore-checking, lots of speed, crashing the net, clearing the front of the net, big hitting. It's apparent you haven't seen Scott Hannan play if you think all he can do is clutch and grab.


If i'm a clown.. you're and ASS Clown.

:lol :lol :lol

Apparently, I'm not the only guy that thinks hannan is clutch and grab.

6 goals in 82 games, if he's not scoring what do you think he's doing? he's probably grabbing someone cause he's too slow to skate with them.

Are you telling me that Canada's best can only offer a guy that has a career high in 6 goals? lol

Lets get ready to watch a calgary like game, where you got no talent, you got skill so you gotta push, grab, trip your opponents.

And you're the reason, I would never go to Nova Scotia.


:lol :lol You can't be serious?


Hannan can skate quite well, but he is a SHUT-DOWN DEFENSEMAN. What don't you understand about that statement? In other words you could say he is a stay at home defenseman, or a defenseman who will play major minutes on the PK because of his ability to shut down top offensive threats.

IF your comments are coming from the COlorado series, if you see replays you would notice Forsberg would (sometimes) literally grab defenders and hold on to them when the ref would turn his head. Forsberg was the clutch and grab player, not Hannan. Hannan pretty much was forced to clutch onto Forsberg or risk a turnover because of Peter's illegal play. :teach:


btw, I'm not trying to bash Peter. He is a offensive talent, but he (just like every other offensive player in the league) will do as much as he can get away with.

You're from vancouver what do you know? Its not like anyone from Vancouver knows anything about hockey.

If i'm a clown.. you're and ASS Clown. :lol:

please quit embarassing us.



back to the topic
As some one else pointed out, what about Barret Jackman as a 7th D and just bumping someone else up?

please quit embarassing us.



back to the topic
As some one else pointed out, what about Barret Jackman as a 7th D and just bumping someone else up?

My quess on Jackman is that with only one NHL season under is belt and missing most of this last season they will be looking at him for future teams. This is only if his play this next season continues to mature. He will more than likely be with a new and less skilled D partner. Al MacInnis had to have been a tremendous mentor.

Philippe "I'd be the 3rd best defenseman on the Nucks" Boucher, that one..
You should be really proud that your number one defencemen is the Canucks number three defencemen. The Canucks didn't even finish in the top 5 last year.

You saying Boucher to team Canada is silly. I think the Jason Smyth is a similar player to Boucher. You are a complete Dallas Homer.

Just out of curiosity how many Sharks games have you watched? Not just you, but the rest of you making comments as if you have watched Hannan play 100's of games.

At the begining of last season there was an article in The Hockey News that stated Hannan and Aucoin are the most underated defensman in the league.

Hannan does not play clutch and grab. All of you are making that assumption based on the pictures from the Sharks/Av's series. Forsberg may be one of the greatest hockey players ever but he tries ever trick (cheat) in the book and then points the finger at the opponant like they were the one who started the crap. Hannan is a very smart player and he did not let Forsberg get away with it. This frustrated Forsberg (ie. all the stupid penalties he took) any clutching and grabbing you saw Hannan do was in response to Forsbergs clutching and grabbing.

We Sharks fans know that the rest of the hockey world pays little or no attention to us. As good as our team was this last season it was frustrating to get so little press.....but we are used to it. Most of our games start at either 9:30 or 10:30pm in most areas of North America so it is hard for me to imagine that many of you have seen all that many Sharks games. What few games you have seen, how much attention did you focus on Hannan? Not much I imagine, why would you? He has been underated the last few years and has gotten better and better with every game he plays. His great play did not begin in this years playoffs, if you want to pinpoint when his game started to advance you have to go back to the 2002 playoffs where he was also extremly effective against Forsberg in only his second full season in the NHL.

You can attack my comments all you want. But do you really have that much more hockey knowledge than the gentleman who picked Hannan. If so maybe you should contact team Cananda and have Gretzky removed for his lack of knowledge.

yeap, i 2nd that opinion.

All these mentions from Souray to Boynton, but I've yet to see anyone bringing up the name Philippe Boucher.
There are 29 other teams in the NHL that aren't the Dallas Stars, you know.

Hannan is a waste with no skill whatsoever. He's completely clutch and grabe guy which will get team canada in trouble. If Team canada wanted clutch and grabe defense why didn't they take anyone on calgary.

This is a joke. Fire Lowe and Gretzky.

:shakehead

Duane, is that you?

Derek Morris???

dont get me started on Morris
so overated its not even funny

dont get me started on Morris
so overated its not even funny
You just became my new best friend. :D

Aucoin would have been a better pick.

My quess on Jackman is that with only one NHL season under is belt and missing most of this last season they will be looking at him for future teams. This is only if his play this next season continues to mature. He will more than likely be with a new and less skilled D partner. Al MacInnis had to have been a tremendous mentor.

The main issue with Jackman, IMO, would be that he just missed a season and assuming everything went according to schedule, just finished recovering within the last few weeks. Had he played a full season at the same or higher level that he did in his rookie year, he would have deserved a spot.