WHA Entry Level Draft

With the other thread about the Draft starting to be loaded, I thought it was better to have a thread about the Free Agent draft and another one about the Entry Level Draft.

From the WHA website (http://www.worldhockeyassociation.net/news/media_releases/media_071404.htm)

On Sunday, July 18, teams will draft 30 Entry Level Players. Players undrafted in the past 3 years or drafted but unsigned will be eligible. Sixteen year old players who will be 17 prior to the start of the WHA season will also be eligible.

The draft order for the Entry Level Draft will be announced on Saturday, July 17.

The draft begins at 10 a.m. and is open to the public.

Here's a good article about the Entry Level Draft. (http://www.worldhockeyassociation.net/news/media_releases/media_051604.htm) It looks like Sidney Crosby will go first overall, and don't be surprised if it's to the Halifax Ice Breakers. Alexander Ovechkin will likely not be far behind, but it will be interesting to see who goes after and how many europeans will be taken.

ROUND 1
SEL TEAM NAME
1. Toronto - Sidney Crosby
2. Halifax - Thomas Vanek
3. Detroit - Andre Benoit
4. Hamilton - Corey Locke
5. Toronto [DAL] - Dion Phaneuf*
6. Quebec - Steve Bernier
7. Florida - Patrick O'Sullivan
8. Founders' - Brent Seabrooke

ROUND 2
SEL TEAM NAME
9. Founders' - Eric Fehr
10. Florida - Jeff Tambellini
11. Québec - Jean-Francois Jacques
12. Dallas - Andrew Ladd
13. Hamilton - Ryan Suter
14. Detroit - Patrick Jarrett
15. Halifax - Dan Sisca
16. Toronto - Geoff Platt

ROUND 3
SEL TEAM NAME
17. Dallas [TOR] - Boris Valabik**
18. Halifax - Tim Brent
19. Detroit - Danny Richmond
20. Hamilton - Andrei Kostitsyn
21. Dallas - Al Montoya
22. Quebec - Lukas Kaspar
23. Florida - Hugh Jessiman
24. Founders' - Braydon Coburn

ROUND 4
SEL TEAM NAME
25. Founders' - Kyle Greentree
26. Florida - Eric Nystrom
27. Québec - Corey Crawford
28. Dallas - Cam Barker
29. Hamilton - Tobias Stephan
30. Detroit - Jonathon Lehun
31. Halifax - Robert Gherson
32. Toronto - Peter Tsimikalis

ROUND 5
SEL TEAM NAME
33. Toronto - Kevin Klein
34. Halifax - David Backes
35. Detroit - Robert Nilsson
36. Hamilton - Brandon Prust
37. Dallas - Shea Weber
38. Quebec - Alexandre Picard
39. Florida - Anthony Stewart
40. Founders' - Derek Meech

ROUND 6
SEL TEAM NAME
41. Founders' - Victor Oreskovich
42. Florida - Mike Richards
43. Québec - Tim Ramholt
44. Dallas - Wojtek Wolski
45. Hamilton - Kyle Wharton
46. Toronto - Robbie Schremp***
47. Halifax - Paulo Colaiacovo
48. Toronto - Ryan Stone

ROUND 7
SEL TEAM NAME
49. Toronto - Adam Berti
50. Halifax - Scott Dobben
51. Detroit - Cory Stillman
52. Hamilton - Alexander Ovechkin
53. Founders' [DAL] - Karl Gagne****
54. Québec - Marc-Antoine Pouliot
55. Florida - Jim Howard
56. Founders' - Chris Bourque

ROUND 8
SEL TEAM NAME
57. Founders' - Devan Dubnyk
58. Florida - Jim Slater
59. Québec - Alexander Radulov
60. Dallas - Mike Green
61. Hamilton - Kamil Kreps
62. Detroit - Dominic Deblois
63. Halifax - Martin St. Pierre
64. Toronto - Chris Campoli

ROUND 9
SEL TEAM NAME
65. Dallas [TOR] - Drew Stafford*****
66. Halifax - Martin Vagner
67. Toronto [DET] - Mike Knight******
68. Hamilton - Jakub Klepis
69. Dallas - David Booth
70. Québec - Josh Hennessy
71. Florida - Stefan Meyer
72. Dallas [FON] - Ryan Getzlaf

ROUND 10
SEL TEAM NAME
73. Founders' - Aaron Rome
74. Florida - Jeremy Colliton
75. Québec - Marek Schwarz
76. Toronto [DAL] - Mike Egener*******
77. Hamilton - Chad Painchaud
78. Toronto - Mark Stuart
79. Halifax - Petr Vrana
80. Toronto - Justin Peters

*Pick acquired on trade with Dallas for Holden (Drafted yesterday)
**Pick acquired on trade with Toronto
***Pick acquired on trade with Detroit
****Pick acquired on trade with Dallas
*****Pick acquired on trade with Toronto
******Pick acquired on trade with Detroit
*******Pick acquired on trade with Dallas

I could see this draft going something like this:

1-Crosby
2-Ovechkin
3-Malkin
4-Brule
5-Barker

I could see this draft going something like this:

1-Crosby
2-Ovechkin
3-Malkin
4-Brule
5-Barker

I bet that if Quebec's top pick is not in the top 2-3, that they will take someone from the QMJHL. Among the likely picks, I'd say Picard or Latendresse.

EDIT : Removed Fleury's name, I feel stupid... :shakehead

Fleury has already been signed.

Can't wait, 7:00 AM for me :yo:.

Toronto has the #1 pick.

According to the Toronto Star, the owner says they'll be making Sidney Crosby an offer that would make him a/the marquee player on the team.

Well, this one should at least be a helluva lot more interesting than the Free Agent Draft.

Well, this one should at least be a helluva lot more interesting than the Free Agent Draft.
You know it.

I would love to see the Toronto franchise take Alex Steen. Not because he's going to come over and play, because he won't... but it would be nice.

I thought this thing was supposed to have started like an hour ago.

I thought this thing was supposed to have started like an hour ago.

Maybe the league has folded already. :lol

Round 1

1. Toronto - Sidney Crosby (2005)
2. Halifax - Thomas Vanek (BUF)
3. Detroit - Andre Benoit (---)
4. Hamilton - Corey Locke (MTL)
5. Toronto (from Dallas) - Dion Phaneuf (CGY)
6. Québec - Steve Bernier (SJ)
7. Florida - Patrick O'Sullivan (MIN)
8. Founders' franchise - Brent Seabrook (CHI)

Round 2

9. Founders' franchise - Eric Fehr (WSH)
10. Florida - Jeff Tambellini (LA)
11. Québec - Jean-Francois Jacques (EDM)
12. Dallas - Andrew Ladd (CAR)
13. Hamilton - Ryan Suter (NSH)
14. Detroit - Patrick Jarrett (---)
15. Halifax - Dan Sisca (---)
16. Toronto - Geoff Platt (---)

J-F Jacques at 11th overall... :eek:

Round 1

1. Toronto - Sidney Crosby
2. Halifax - Thomas Vanek
3. Detroit - André Benoit
4. Hamilton - Corey Locke
5. Toronto (from Dallas) - Dion Phaneuf
6. Québec - Steve Bernier
7. Florida - Patrick O'Sullivan
8. Founders' franchise - Brent Seabrook

Round 2

9. Founders' franchise - Eric Fehr
10. Florida - Jeff Tambellini
11. Québec - Jean-Francois Jacques
12. Dallas - Andrew Ladd
13. Hamilton - Ryan Suter
14. Detroit - Patrick Jarrett
15. Halifax - Dan Sisca
16. Toronto - Geoff Platt


Oh ya Sidney Crosby,Dion Phaneuf :yo: :banana:

Maybe it's just me... but does anyone else doubt it actually takes two hours to do two rounds in a draft with 8 teams?

Maybe it's just me... but does anyone else doubt it actually takes two hours to do two rounds in a draft with 8 teams?

I was wondering the same thing. They still have 28 rounds to complete.

How did Toronto get Dallas' first round pick?

Maybe it's just me... but does anyone else doubt it actually takes two hours to do two rounds in a draft with 8 teams?

This isn't updated frequently, yesterday they updated about every 2 hours with about 6 rounds.

This isn't updated frequently, yesterday they updated about every 2 hours with about 6 rounds.
I wonder why that is. It's not exactly difficult to do so. And they can't even do what they do get done right, because the links are messed up.

The Detroit Gladiators site seemed to update much faster than the WHA site. Yesterday it had up to the 14th round listed when the WHA one was only showing the 11th round.

Round 3

17 Dallas - Boris Valabik D (ATL)
18 Halifax - Tim Brent C (ANA)
19 Detroit - Danny Richmond D (CAR)
20 Hamilton - Andrei Kastsitsyn LW (MTL)
21 Dallas - Al Montoya G (NYR)
22 Québec - Lukas Kaspar LW (SJ)
23 Florida - Hugh Jessiman RW (NYR)
24 Founders' - Braydon Coburn D (ATL)

Round 4

25 Founders' - Kyle Greentree RW (---)
26 Florida - Eric Nystrom LW (CGY)
27 Québec - Corey Crawford G (CHI)
28 Dallas - Cam Barker D (CHI)
29 Hamilton - Tobias Stephan G (DAL)
30 Detroit - Jonathan Lehun C (STL)
31 Halifax - Robert Gherson G (WSH)
32 Toronto - Peter Tsimikalis C (---)

Round 5

33 Toronto - Kevin Klein D (NSH)
34 Halifax - David Backes RW (STL)
35 Detroit - Robert Nilsson C (NYI)
36 Hamilton - Brandon Prust C (CGY)
37 Dallas - Shea Weber D (NSH)
38 Québec - Alexandre Picard LW (CBJ)
39 Florida - Anthony Stewart C (FLA)
40 Founders' - Derek Meech D (DET)

Round 6

41 Founders' - Victor Oreskovich C (COL)
42 Florida - Mike Richards C (PHI)
43 Québec - Tim Ramholt D (CGY)
44 Dallas - Wojtek Wolski LW (COL)
45 Hamilton - Kyle Wharton D (CBJ)
46 Detroit - Robbie Schremp C (EDM)
47 Halifax - Paulo Colaiacovo G (---)
48 Toronto - Ryan Stone C (PIT)

Can someone explain to me how/why Zach Parisé could be taken in the "Free Agent Draft", but Steve Bernier (and other recent unsigned draft picks) were taken in the "Entry Draft"?

Parise was signed before the playoffs

Parise was signed before the playoffs

Still the first draft was for UFA or RFA was it not??

And Parise has a 3 year deal.

Yes it was. For both I'm pretty sure.

I like how Detroit's website is faster but can they please get someone is knows how to spell the names. Valadik??? Beaydun?? I mean comeon.

Yes it was. For both I'm pretty sure.

Then how was Parise drafted??

If the first draft was for UFA and RFA then Parise couldnt have been picked...yet he was.

HMMM sounds Bush league.

Then how was Parise drafted??

If the first draft was for UFA and RFA then Parise couldnt have been picked...yet he was.

HMMM sounds Bush league.
I have no idea. That's strange. Upshall was drafted too, but he should still be on his first contract.

I have no idea. That's strange. Upshall was drafted too, but he should still be on his first contract.

Maybe it was open for UFA, RFA and guys on their first contract who only played less than X amount of games or something.

I like how Detroit's website is faster but can they please get someone is knows how to spell the names. Valadik??? Beaydun?? I mean comeon.
I like "Vitor Ordeovich" and "Ken Ramholt".

I like "Vitor Ordeovich" and "Ken Ramholt".

Whos Ordeovich supposed to be?

Whos Ordeovich supposed to be?
Victor Oreskovich, I guess. Not exactly a common name, but Vitor Ordeovich? They could have at least gotten Victor right.

[I]On Sunday, July 18, teams will draft 30 Entry Level Players. Players undrafted in the past 3 years or drafted but unsigned will be eligible. Sixteen year old players who will be 17 prior to the start of the WHA season will also be eligible.

Didn't the Red Wings have to sign Meech or else he would have gone back into the draft? So he's under contract with them? So he shouldn't be eligible for this draft?

What kind of shirtless circus are they running?

Victor Oreskovich, I guess. Not exactly a common name, but Vitor Ordeovich? They could have at least gotten Victor right.

Yeah from Green Bay, USHL, Avs picked him.

I figured thats who it was.

Maybe it was open for UFA, RFA and guys on their first contract who only played less than X amount of games or something.

Nope, cause Jim Vandermeer got drafted as well and he signed a new contract with Chicago last week. It's just a sign of how disorganized this league is. :shakehead

Nope, cause Jim Vandermeer got drafted as well and he signed a new contract with Chicago last week. It's just a sign of how disorganized this league is. :shakehead

Either way it keeps proving my point.

Everyone around here isnt paying much attention to this because we know the league wont play 1 game.

Round 7

49. Toronto - Adam Berti LW (CHI)
50. Halifax - Scott Dobben LW (OTT)
51. Detroit - Cory Stillman C (NYI)
52. Hamilton - Alexander Ovechkin LW (WSH)
53. Founders' (from Dallas) - Karl Gagne LW (---)
54. Québec - Marc-Antoine Pouliot C (EDM)
55. Florida - Jim Howard G (DET)
56. Founders' - Chris Bourque C (WSH)

Could Halifax be picking any worse players???

Who the hell is picking? a Monkey?

Round 7

49. Toronto - Adam Berti LW (CHI)
50. Halifax - Scott Dobben LW (OTT)
51. Detroit - Cory Stillman C (NYI)
52. Hamilton - Alexander Ovechkin LW (WSH)
53. Founders' (from Dallas) - Karl Gagne LW (---)
54. Québec - Marc-Antoine Pouliot C (EDM)
55. Florida - Jim Howard G (DET)
56. Founders' - Chris Bourque C (WSH)


Edit Nevermind I should have looked at the link that goes to Round 6-10 :blush:

Could Halifax be picking any worse players???

Who the hell is picking? a Monkey?
Halifax is picking realistically while other teams are picking players as if there will be a loooooooooong lockout.

Halifax is picking realistically while other teams are picking players as if there will be a loooooooooong lockout.

Yeah realisticly but take some chances...like perhaps ALex Tanguay or Laddy Nagy in the 30th round...both of those guys would bring in people alone.

Halifax is picking realistically while other teams are picking players as if there will be a loooooooooong lockout.

nah, detroit is doing good. most picks are safe and sometimes they pick a high risk. this franchise takes it seriously.

Could Halifax be picking any worse players???

Who the hell is picking? a Monkey?

They're completely destroying my dreams. They're picking players that will actually show up instead of ones that will never even think twice about playing for this joke league. This means that there might actually be a team to play in Halifax. That sucks.

Round 8

57. Founders' - Devan Dubnyk G (EDM)
58. Florida - Jim Slater C (ATL)
59. Québec - Alexander Radulov RW (NSH)
60. Dallas - Mike Green D (WSH)
61. Hamilton - Kamil Kreps C (FLA)
62. Detroit - Dominic Deblois RW (---)
63. Halifax - Martin St. Pierre C (---)
64. Toronto - Chris Campoli D (NYI)

Round 9

65. Dallas (from Toronto) - Drew Stafford RW (BUF)
66. Halifax - Martin Vagner D (CAR)
67. Toronto (from Detroit) - Mike Knight D (---)
68. Hamilton - Jakub Klepis C (WSH)
69. Dallas - David Booth LW (FLA)
70. Québec - Josh Hennessy C (SJ)
71. Florida - Stefan Meyer C (FLA)
72. Dallas from (Founders') - Ryan Getzlaf RW (ANA)

Round 10

73. Founders' - Aaron Rome D (ANA)
74. Florida - Jeremy Colliton C (NYI)
75. Québec - Marek Schwarz G (STL)
76. Toronto (from Dallas) - Mike Egener D (TB)
77. Hamilton - Chad Painchaud LW (ATL)
78. Detroit - Mark Stuart D (BOS)
79. Halifax - Petr Vrana C (NJ)
80. Toronto - Justin Peters G (CAR)

Oh man if this league gets off the ground I really hope that Toronto gets Crosby to play for them. It would be hilarious listening to Q fans on the prospect board ranting about how Toronto/Ontario stole Crosby from them.

OMG we just picked Vagner my worst enemy hahaha

And Vrana is signed, how did Halifax pick him??

OMG we just picked Vagner my worst enemy hahaha

And Vrana is signed, how did Halifax pick him??
There must be some mystery date... players not signed before it are eligible. That'd be my best guess.

Oh man if this league gets off the ground I really hope that Toronto gets Crosby to play for them. It would be hilarious listening to Q fans on the prospect board ranting about how Toronto/Ontario stole Crosby from them.

Tanguay owner of the Oceanic said he would match any offer from the WHA. And Pat Brisson said its slim he will leave the QMJHL.

Plus its the WHA...its BUSH LEAGUE. There are a dozen selections which broke the rules.

There must be some mystery date... players not signed before it are eligible. That'd be my best guess.

My guess is the league is Bush League hehe :)

Oh man if this league gets off the ground I really hope that Toronto gets Crosby to play for them. It would be hilarious listening to Q fans on the prospect board ranting about how Toronto/Ontario stole Crosby from them.

I know, man. It would be just as funny to see Forsberg or Lidstrom go back to Sweden and play five or ten great years there. I'm sure we'd all be laughing at Avalanche and Red Wings fans for losing two of the best players in the game to another league.

It would be so awesome to see a seventeen year old jeopardize his development for a quick $5,000,000.

Tanguay owner of the Oceanic said he would match any offer from the WHA. And Pat Brisson said its slim he will leave the QMJHL.

Plus its the WHA...its BUSH LEAGUE. There are a dozen selections which broke the rules.

So the Oceanic can pay a 5 million dollar salary? Is that even legal?

So the Oceanic can pay a 5 million dollar salary? Is that even legal?

Tanguay is massivly rich.

It can be a "gift"

Are there any rules stating i cant give 5 million bucks to someone??

Tanguay is massivly rich.

It can be a "gift"

Are there any rules stating i cant give 5 million bucks to someone??

Depends on how strict the CHL rules are. That obviously wouldn't be allowed in the NCAA, for instance.

Depends on how strict the CHL rules are. That obviously wouldn't be allowed in the NCAA, for instance.

The NCAA has rules where you cant accept a glass of water.

CHL im sure has salary rules, but do you think these Americans are coming up here for free? And the Euros?

The NCAA has rules where you cant accept a glass of water.

CHL im sure has salary rules, but do you think these Americans are coming up here for free? And the Euros?

Not sure how that supports your argument at all..

The Americans are not getting paid in the States so they come up to the CHL for better exposure and still don't get paid or at least very little ..What is the Difference??

Not sure how that supports your argument at all..

The Americans are not getting paid in the States so they come up to the CHL for better exposure and still don't get paid or at least very little ..What is the Difference??

You are living in some Fantasy Dream world if you dont think Teams are giving them some extra things :)

Patrick Roy is giving all his americans full paid College Tutition to any school they want.

They arent getting paid a "salary" but they get bonuses.

Maybe its not like that in the WHL but it is in the QMJHL (where Crosby plays).

The NCAA has rules where you cant accept a glass of water.

CHL im sure has salary rules, but do you think these Americans are coming up here for free? And the Euros?

Players get an allowance of around $50/week, depending on the team and I believe many teams pay tuition for private schools or university for the players. I would think anything above that though wouldn't be allowed. Incentives to join/stay with a team maybe, but cash payments? Doesn't sound right.

Players get an allowance of around $50/week, depending on the team and I believe many teams pay tuition for private schools or university for the players. I would think anything above that though wouldn't be allowed. Incentives to join/stay with a team maybe, but cash payments? Doesn't sound right.

It goes on.

Halifax gave Andrei Shefer, their eurp in 99/00, his own apartment, a Jeep Grand Cherokee and allowed his pregnant gf to move in with him.

I am not talking about players being on "payroll" but they are givin extra perks.

You are living in some Fantasy Dream world if you dont think Teams are giving them some extra things :)

Patrick Roy is giving all his americans full paid College Tutition to any school they want.

They arent getting paid a "salary" but they get bonuses.

Maybe its not like that in the WHL but it is in the QMJHL (where Crosby plays).

You are right I can't think of a single reported incident in the Dub that mentioned Bonus under the table ... Maybe the coach takes his players Fishing on the lake for the day and provides Shrimps on the BQ..

And in Canada Tuition fees to College is nothing like the costs in the States to go to big name schools..

but in the Crosby case here we are talking about giving a 5 mil gift to keep him in town ... So that being the case all Crosby agent has to say is we are comtemplating a offer from the WHA and BINGO Crosby is a rich man..

People said the same thing about the WHA when it stated up 30 years ago ..That the NHL teams rich owners would keep its stars at all costs and suddenly Bobby Hull, Frank Mahovlich, Gordie Howe, Dave Keon, Jacques Plante and Gerry Cheevers etc etc are all in uniform for the NEW WHA league that everyone called a joke back then as well ..

You are right I can't think of a single reported incident in the Dub that mentioned Bonus under the table ... Maybe the coach takes his players Fishing on the lake for the day and provides Shrimps on the BQ..

And in Canada Tuition fees to College is nothing like the costs in the States to go to big name schools..

but in the Crosby case here we are talking about giving a 5 mil gift to keep him in town ... So that being the case all Crosby agent has to say is we are comtemplating a offer from the WHA and BINGO Crosby is a rich man..

Well Roy is giving his amercians like Androcopolous, Hennesey, Ryan, Coughlin, etc 4 years paid college to anywhere in NA...some places are up to 50K a year.

If there isnt a rule against it i cant see how it can be enforced. And Toronto would need to offer Crosby 5 mill. Remember their protected player plus Crosby cant be 10 million...theyd have no more cap space.

It goes on.

Halifax gave Andrei Shefer, their eurp in 99/00, his own apartment, a Jeep Grand Cherokee and allowed his pregnant gf to move in with him.

I am not talking about players being on "payroll" but they are givin extra perks.

If Shefer's gf was pregnant, she hid it well.
:amazed:

If Shefer's gf was pregnant, she hid it well.
:amazed:

She was...she gave birth here in Halifax im pretty sure.

Then he bolted back to Russia and stole some of the gear...what a guy.

theyd have no more cap space.

I thought the cap was $15,000,000. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Like La-La-Laprise said, there are all sorts of under the table perks being given to CHL players across the board. It happens in each league but in different extremes.

cap is 15 mill...but 5 million for 20 other players doesnt divide too well.

Well Roy is giving his amercians like Androcopolous, Hennesey, Ryan, Coughlin, etc 4 years paid college to anywhere in NA...some places are up to 50K a year.

If there isnt a rule against it i cant see how it can be enforced. And Toronto would need to offer Crosby 5 mill. Remember their protected player plus Crosby cant be 10 million...theyd have no more cap space.

It will be interesting to see what happens ..particularly with Crosby as if he takes the 5 mil offer and plays for the Toro's ..I guarantee he still will be the first player chosen in the NHL draft and to fuel the fire even more ... Rookie Salary Cap contracts are said to come down in the next CBA ..So the 5 mil offer for 1 year will be greater than Crosby first 3 year NHL contract combined ..

Don't forget Toronto's protected player is Chris Phillips and I doubt he plays a minute in the WHA ..He has filed for arbitration so one way or the other he will have an NHL contract by Aug 15th... So then you have Crosby at 5 Mil and 10 mil for 20 remaining players ..

It will be interesting to see what happens ..particularly with Crosby as if he takes the 5 mil offer and plays for the Toro's ..I guarantee he still will be the first player chosen in the NHL draft and to fuel the fire even more ... Rookie Salary Cap contracts are said to come down in the next CBA ..So the 5 mil offer for 1 year will be greater than Crosby first 3 year NHL contract combined ..

Don't forget Toronto's protected player is Chris Phillips and I doubt he plays a minute in the WHA ..

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Crosby is 17!! Imagine being offered 7 million CDN dollars when you are that age!

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Crosby is 17!! Imagine being offered 7 million CDN dollars when you are that age!
That's right ... That is exactly what I thought when you posted earlier that Crosby would not leave the Q for the WHA ...

That's a TON of money for a 17 year ..heck thats a ton of money for Joe Thornton who makes 5.5 mil or even Jerome Iginla at 7 mil..

Put in persective unless somebody hands him a HUGE cheque under the table, how could he not accept it, regardless of what we make of the WHA currently.??.

its not really to far fetched ... Heck at that kind of Money..and if the WHA succeeds ...What's to stop Crosby for playing 3 years in the WHA at 5 mil per and then joining the NHL at 20 lets say with 15 mil in his bank account and then he signs his NHL contract ..limited to 850 K per year and 150 K signing bonus..

That's right ... That is exactly what I thought when you posted earlier that Crosby would not leave the Q for the WHA ...

That's a TON of money for a 17 year ..heck thats a ton of money for Joe Thornton who makes 5.5 mil or even Jerome Iginla at 7 mil..

Put in persective unless somebody hands him a HUGE cheque under the table, how could he not accept it, regardless of what we make of the WHA currently.??.

its not really to far fetched ... Heck at that kind of Money..and if the WHA succeeds ...What's to stop Crosby for palying 3 years in the WHA at 5 mil per and then joining the NHL at 20 lets say with 15 mil in his bank account and then he signs his NHL contract ..limited to 850 K per year and 150 K signing bonus..

Its true man :) He has options now...before he really didnt.

Its true man :) He has options now...before he really didnt.

and another reason why his Q owner would have to slip him 5 mil gift under the table each year to stay in the Q..

and another reason why his Q owner would have to slip him 5 mil gift under the table each year to stay in the Q..

The WHA is looking shakey though.

You dont want to sign a contract and have the league fold 10 games in.

Round 11

81. Toronto - Daniel Carcillo LW (PIT)
82. Halifax - Jim Sharrow D (ATL)
83. Detroit - Patrick Ehelechner G (SJ)
84. Dallas (from Hamilton) - Steve Regier LW (NYI)
85. Dallas - Nathan O'Nabigon LW (---)
86. Québec - Maxim Lapierre C (MTL)
87. Florida - Erik Christensen C (PIT)
88. Founders' - Nigel Dawes LW (NYR)

Round 12

89. Founders' - Dany Roussin LW (FLA)
90. Florida - Patrick Eaves RW (OTT)
91. Québec - David Laliberté RW (PHI)
92. Dallas - Matt Greene D (EDM)
93. Hamilton - B.J. Crombeen RW (DAL)
94. Detroit - Curtis McElhinney G (CGY)
95. Halifax - Matt Smaby D (TB)
96. Toronto - Scott Lehman D (ATL)

Round 13

97. Toronto - Shay Stephenson LW (CAR)
98. Halifax - John Hecimovic RW (FLA)
99. Detroit - Greg Moore RW (NYR)
100. Hamilton - David Bolland C (CHI)
101. Dallas - Adam Pineault RW (CBJ)
102. Québec - Niklas Grossman D (DAL)
103. Florida - Shawn Belle D (DAL)
104. Founders' - Maxime Talbot C (PIT)

Round 14

105. Founders' - Dustin Byfuglien D (CHI)
106. Florida - Brian McConnell C (CGY)
107. Québec - Doug O'Brien D (TB)
108. Dallas - Brandon Dubinsky C (NYR)
109. Hamilton - Michael Tessier LW (---)
110. Detroit - Lee Falardeau C (NYR)
111. Halifax - Craig Kennedy RW (---)
112. Toronto - Ryan Garlock C (CHI)

Round 15

113. Toronto - Will Colbert D (OTT)
114. Halifax - Joey Tenute C (NJ)
115. Detroit - Mike Brown G (BOS)
116. Hamilton - Brian Bickell LW (CHI)
117. Dallas - François-Pierre Guenette C (VAN)
118. Québec - Marc-André Bernier RW (VAN)
119. Florida - Barry Tallackson LW (NJ)
120. Founders' - Colin Fraser C (CHI)

The WHA is looking shakey though.

You dont want to sign a contract and have the league fold 10 games in.

I agree that is possible .. but then Crosby could still return to the Q with a big bank account balance particularly if any of that money is in the form of a signing bonus..No rules in the CHL that a player can't return to Junior under contract.. Right??

Its risky but I just don't see unless it doesn't even start up at all that some players will not take the chance what do they have to loose .. and NHL player UFA or RFA without a contract still gets paid some and plays Hockey till a NHL team comes calling, and a Junior player simply returns to his CHL team ..

Curious if the new CBA will have some kind of clarification regarding the WHA in it.. Say a player Not eligible to play in the AHL due to age restrictiuons, plays a year in the WHA and then is it possible to join the AHL were before they couldn't???

I think with Crosby he will sign later on. If it looks like the league is looking good to go he may sign.

guys, please stay on-topic. it's the entry draft thread.

i like your discussion, but it would be nice if you could start a new thread to discuss it further.

thanks!

guys, please stay on-topic. it's the entry draft thread.

i like your discussion, but it would be nice if you could start a new thread to discuss it further.

thanks!

Well it is Crosby regarding the WHA...isnt that topic related?

Well it is Crosby regarding the WHA...isnt that topic related?

yes it is as long as it's not about some Q owners who spent money on a pregnant russian and other holes in the NCAA. ;)

i have no problem with the crosby to WHA discussion, although maybe more people would share their thought if you would start a new thread.

but crosby to WHA is ok. :)

111. Halifax - Craig Kennedy RW (---)
112. Toronto - Ryan Garlock C (CHI)



About time some Windsor boys went. Garlock better not bother going, he's needed in Windsor next season, but Kennedy needs somewhere to play still.
:banana:

I think with Crosby he will sign later on. If it looks like the league is looking good to go he may sign.

I can see your point of not wanting to lose Crosby, particularly based on were you call home .. It certainly does not affect me directly way over here in Western Canada the same way..

but I just don't see any way Crosby stays if the WHA starts up.. mainly for money reasons.. unless like you say he gets a big gift to stay in Halifax ..

and with signing ...He could do that tomorrow .. Joe Thornton Signed with HC Davos of the Swiss League and may never even get on a plane to head overseas.. its just a back up plan... Even if he signs he could still play in the Q if he chooses to..

and I look at it this way the Toro's WHA team should do everything in their power to get him signed ASAP as it adds incredible credibility to the WHA as a league.. and could be the first piece of the puzzle that gets the Snowball rolling down hill and other players signing up... With Crosby like Gretzky many years ago ..getting that marquee player in the fold would and could change the success rate of the league..

yes it is as long as it's not about some Q owners who spent money on a pregnant russian and other holes in the NCAA. ;)

i have no problem with the crosby to WHA discussion, although maybe more people would share their thought if you would start a new thread.

but crosby to WHA is ok. :)

LOL yeah i gotcha :)

I can see your point of not wanting to lose Crosby, particularly based on were you call home .. It certainly does not affect me directly way over here in Western Canada the same way..

but I just don't see any way Crosby stays if the WHA starts up.. mainly for money reasons.. unless like you say he gets a big gift to stay in Halifax ..

and with signing ...He could do that tomorrow .. Joe Thornton Signed with HC Davos of the Swiss League and may never even get on a plane to head overseas.. its just a back up plan... Even if he signs he could still play in the Q if he chooses to..

and I look at it this way the Toro's WHA team should do everything in their power to get him signed ASAP as it adds incredible credibility to the WHA as a league.. and could be the first piece of the puzzle that gets the Snowball rolling down hill and other players signing up... With Crosby like Gretzky many years ago ..getting that marquee player in the fold would and could change the success rate of the league..


I actually hope he plays WHA :) I want to see all the Rimouski fans piss and moan. Plus Halifax and Rimouski should battle it out for top spot in the league. Makes the Mooseheads job easier.

I actually hope he plays WHA :) I want to see all the Rimouski fans piss and moan. Plus Halifax and Rimouski should battle it out for top spot in the league. Makes the Mooseheads job easier.

Okay I see that point .. GO WHL GO ..lets get some more Dub players drafted .. Marek Schwarz & Andrej Meszaros both picked in the first round of the NHL draft and import draft in the WHL by the Vancouver Giants.. Both are said to be possibly coming over to NA next year .. Huge rivals of the Kelowna Rockets .. So lets get these two guys picked and off to the WHA instead of the WHL ...

See now you actually gave me something else to look forward to in the rest of the WHA entry draft .. :)

Okay I see that point .. GO WHL GO ..lets get some more Dub players drafted .. Marek Schwarz & Andrej Meszaros both picked in the first round of the NHL draft and import draft in the WHL by the Vancouver Giants.. Both are said to be possibly coming over to NA next year .. Huge rivals of the Kelowna Rockets .. So lets get these two guys picked and off to the WHA instead of the WHL ...

See now you actually gave me something else to look forward to in the rest of the WHA entry draft .. :)

Yeah lol just another story line.

Man they are slow updating.

Yeah lol just another story line.

Man they are slow updating.

Well done .. :handclap:

That was exactly my sarcasm I was going for and what I meant when I posted that.. It takes forever for them to release the results .. I could double my HF post count waiting and discussing these other related issue's, of possible players to the WHA :) amateur draft today ..

I actually hope he plays WHA :) I want to see all the Rimouski fans piss and moan. Plus Halifax and Rimouski should battle it out for top spot in the league. Makes the Mooseheads job easier.

What about this

"Halifax will likely be targeting a number of Québec Major Junior League stars. Halifax Mooseheads goaltender Jason Churchill may get a chance to turn pro at age 19 and his teammate, forward Jan Steber should also garner attention."

for the WHA :) draft today..

What about this

"Halifax will likely be targeting a number of Québec Major Junior League stars. Halifax Mooseheads goaltender Jason Churchill may get a chance to turn pro at age 19 and his teammate, forward Jan Steber should also garner attention."

for the WHA :) draft today..

Yeah they can pick anyone they want but that doesnt mean they will play.

Churchill is 1 year removed from JR A hockey, i think too much too soon would hurt his development.

Round 16

121 Founders' - Rene Bourque LW (---)
122 Florida - Cory Urquhart C (MTL)
123 Québec - David Tremblay G (PHI)
124 Dallas - Brett Skinner D (VAN)
125 Hamilton - Mitch Maunu D (CHI)
126 Detroit - Mark Heatley LW (---)
127 Halifax - Jeff Harvey G (---)
128 Toronto - Liam Reddox C (EDM)

Round 17

129 Toronto - Jean-Michel Rizk RW (MIN)
130 Halifax - Jeff Doyle RW (---)
131 Detroit - Jake Dowell C (CHI)
132 Hamilton - Jesse Lane D (CAR)
133 Dallas - Dave Steckel C (---)
134 Québec - Martins Karsums C (BOS)
135 Florida - David Lifftion D (NYR)
136 Founders' - Jordan Parise G (---)

Round 18

137 Founders' - Pierre-Olivier Beaulieu D (DET)
138 Florida - Dany Stewart LW (MTL)
139 Québec - Francis Wathier LW (DAL)
140 Dallas - Nathan Marsters G (LA)
141 Hamilton - Loui Eriksson C/LW (DAL)
142 Detroit - Matt Hunwick D (BOS)
143 Halifax - Robbie Earl LW (TOR)
144 Toronto - Tyler Haskins C (DET)

Round 19

145 Toronto - Rane Carnegie RW (---)
146 Halifax - Andrew Joudrey C (WSH)
147 Detroit - Jason Ryznar LW (NJ)
148 Hamilton - Dave Brown G (PIT)
149 Dallas - Alexander Steen C (TOR)
150 Québec - Philippe Dupuis C (CBJ)
151 Florida - Shane Hynes RW (ANA)
152 Founders' - Jonathan Filewich RW (PIT)

Round 20

153 Founders' - Gilbert Brule C (2005)
154 Florida - Andrei Mikhnov LW (STL)
155 Québec - Jakub Petruzalek RW (NYR)
156 Dallas - Johan Fransson D (DAL)
157 Hamilton - Johnny Boychuk D (COL)
158 Detroit - Chris Murphy RW (---)
159 Halifax - Mark Flood D (MTL)
160 Toronto - Evan McGrath C (DET)

Wonder why it took so long for Brule to be taken? :dunno:

I wonder why no one drafted Jeff Carter?

And Wyatt Russell gets drafted!...lol

Lots of interesting picks.

Now we just have to wait and see which of these kids decide to make this jump.

Robbie Earl to Halifax.
Alex Steen to Dallas.

Crosby will stay in the Q where he belongs. Crosby does not have the same mind set as some of you and Ovechkin who would love to get your sweaty hands on some quick cash.
You are assuming if he is paid 5 million it will go directly in his account. Ever heard of taxes and agent fees? He would be lucky to get half.
I really feel sorry for Hull for trying to start such a rediculous venture that is doomed to fail.
Crosby will never betray Rimouski, and Rimouski would never pay Crosby $5 million.
This is a joke of a league. It bores me.
Crosby does not look at the short term. He is focused on making the NHL.

Wonder why it took so long for Brule to be taken? :dunno:

He's already said he's playing in Vancouver no matter what.

EDIT: He got drafted by the founders' franchise, so maybe he'll be in Vancouver for the WHA. :eek:

What if there IS an NHL season? Could a player decide to play in the WHA anyway, even if he is drafted by an NHL team but unsigned - and he's still eligible to play in the CHL?

What if there IS an NHL season? Could a player decide to play in the WHA anyway, even if he is drafted by an NHL team but unsigned - and he's still eligible to play in the CHL?

Certainly. The NHL and CHL don't own unsigned players.

Someone should also tell the Ontario boys to stop picking OHL players for the Icebreakers.

Talk about out of touch.

Oh well

Someone should also tell the Ontario boys to stop picking OHL players for the Icebreakers.

Talk about out of touch.

Oh well

Maybe this is their idea of breaking the ice...I mean bridging the gap between Ontario and Halifax. Who knows?

will any of these players play in the league?

will any of these players play in the league?
If they plan on having a long term future they will.

Why wasn't Jeff Carter drafted? He's one of the top prospect's in the league, i would have thought he would surely have been picked in one of the first 5 rounds.

She was...she gave birth here in Halifax im pretty sure.

Then he bolted back to Russia and stole some of the gear...what a guy.I'm glad this guy will never make it to the Kings. . .

Why wasn't Jeff Carter drafted? He's one of the top prospect's in the league, i would have thought he would surely have been picked in one of the first 5 rounds.

It's possible he or his agent made it very clear that he would not play in the league.

I'm glad this guy will never make it to the Kings. . .
And he converted to Defense LOL

As a player he was pretty good.

Vrana and Parise are both signed.....if they end up in the WHA I will puke.