Trade Parise!

For the second overall pick so we can draft Cam Barker.

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The only reason I suggest this is because we've got a plethora of centers, that are young enough to be around for awhile. Gomez, Foster, Khumotov, Madden (maybe), Kozlov (maybe), Rasmussen. Gomez can be a first line center, Foster at #2, Madden 3 and Khumotov 4 while Rass and Koz play wings. What we don't have, is a defensman who can play like Stevens, AND Niedermayer....he'd be just the punishing, yet offensive d-man we need. I don't like trading Parise, but to get a stud defenseman, I'd do it.

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That's great, thanks for contributing.

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I like the lines through the words.

I like how no one has an intelligent rebuttle.

I like how no one has an intelligent rebuttle.

Parise is our most proven prospect. Khomutov and Foster are completely unproven - or Foster is injury prone and I wouldn't count on him. Parise is a two-way center with great attitude and skills. Trading him for Barker wouldn't make sense at this junction, especially not with Martin, Hale, Kadeykin and DeMarchi all in the system.

Parise is our most proven prospect. Khomutov and Foster are completely unproven - or Foster is injury prone and I wouldn't count on him. Parise is a two-way center with great attitude and skills. Trading him for Barker wouldn't make sense at this junction, especially not with Martin, Hale, Kadeykin and DeMarchi all in the system.

Was that so hard? Thank you. They maybe unproven, but so is Z-Par, I mean sure, he's proven himself in the levels he's played in, but not in the big time. Martin and Hale are the only two out of those two who I'd say are 100% NHLers, Im not sold on DeMarchi, and Kadeykin doesn't have any offensive prowess. Rafalski might leave the Devils in a few years, and I don't think having one true stud defensman would hurt. That's why we all have our opinions, I know almost everyone, if not everyone on these boards are loving Parise, but whatever.

Malkin is better then Parise.
Pittsburgh will never accept.
Trade it to Chicago for Barker.

Malkin is better then Parise.
Pittsburgh will never accept.
Trade it to Chicago for Barker.

I agree, no way Pittsburgh would give up Malkin for Parise.
And also from what I understand, Chicago is very, very high on Barker so I highly doubt The Devils will get a crack at him.

Malkin is better then Parise.
Pittsburgh will never accept.
Trade it to Chicago for Barker.
How about no, why the hell would you want to trade Parise who loves NJ, is a devils type forward and is a great learner of the game and is constantly improving. Malkin can have all the potential he wants but the clear fact is that many europeans have trouble adjusting to the North American style and Malkin is not the toughest player for his size. As for Barker.......I don't like him and would rather keep Parise then draft Wharton.

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Because it's just so inventive right? Dick.

Well the Devils do need help on defense. I don't know that trading for the future is the way to go. Not for this time. It's a positive idea though.

I would rather see Lou swing a deal for a 25-28 year old stay at homer with a bit of an edge. A guy like Colin White but far more polished. I have a feeling Colin is going to develop a lot in the next couple of years but in case that doesn't happen, a backup plan is a good idea.

Just my thoughts.

Because it's just so inventive right? Dick.


Just curious...
Why are you anti-Parise????

Ok I did reject it from a Pens point of view, but Parise is one of the best prospects.


How about no, why the hell would you want to trade Parise who loves NJ, is a devils type forward and is a great learner of the game and is constantly improving. Malkin can have all the potential he wants but the clear fact is that many europeans have trouble adjusting to the North American style and Malkin is not the toughest player for his size. As for Barker.......I don't like him and would rather keep Parise then draft Wharton.


Look.
Not trying to create anything.
Parise is a very good player.
But Malkin is much superior.

Parise is a very good player.
But Malkin is much superior.

What do you base this on? Just curious.

Just curious...
Why are you anti-Parise????


Im sick and tired of hearing "Parise this, Parise that, blah blah blah." He's not god, he's not a franchise savior, he's just another prospect, a very good one, but I feel all the hype is overdone.

Here's a serious question, why not sit at where the Devils pick and draft a defensemen? Martin, Hale, and some other guys seem to be pretty good right now. The Devils could use a defensemen, sure, but why not pick up a guy like Green?

I don't see a gaping need for Barker, and furthermore, I don't even believe he's a consensus #3 in this draft. There seem to be varying reports about him. I don't get why you would move a promising, more proven prospect for something that isn't a gaping hole?

The whole idea seems like a lateral move at best. :dunno:

What do you base this on? Just curious.
The fact that he is part of this years draft. So many people get it stuck in their mind newer = better. Every year this site seems to forget how good the previous years prospects actually are and seeing as though last years crop was the best since the late 80's, maybe even 79, I find it amusing when people are saying Malkin is better then Staal, Horton, Zherdev, ect. I am not saying Malkin isn't more talented then Parise but he is a much much much more risky pick and must improve alot more to his defense, physical game ect to catch up to an allready complete Parise.

I am not saying Malkin isn't more talented then Parise but he is a much much much more risky pick and must improve alot more to his defense, physical game ect to catch up to an allready complete Parise.


I'm not trying to argue with you because maybe you know something about the guy that I don't, but the book on Malkin is that he plays a very complete game.

I haven't seen Baker play and I'll take everybody's word for it that he's a top defensive dman prospect, but Craig Wolanin was also a #3 pick and was also considered a top defensive dman prospect and turned just to be a big average dman and that's it. My point being I'd hate to trade our best offensive prospect and find out that all we got was another Wolanin.

Because it's just so inventive right? Dick.
You knew what your getting into, maybe you should stop acting like a jerk. Barker is noted to be a offensive defenseman also. Don't need another one of those.

You'd be a fool to think that Parise is replaceable.

You knew what your getting into, maybe you should stop acting like a jerk. Barker is noted to be a offensive defenseman also. Don't need another one of those.

You'd be a fool to think that Parise is replaceable.

Oh yeah, cause he's already proven himself in the NHL right?? He's led the league in scoring, he's scored 50 goals, and topped a 100 points. He's got a Stanley Cup, he's been to the finals once before that........yeah, he's the greatest.

Zach Parise = overrated, and Im sick of him.

Oh yeah, cause he's already proven himself in the NHL right?? He's led the league in scoring, he's scored 50 goals, and topped a 100 points. He's got a Stanley Cup, he's been to the finals once before that........yeah, he's the greatest.

Zach Parise = overrated, and Im sick of him.

Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion. You may consider Parise to be overrated, while someone else may consider Ovechkin overrated or Sidney Crosby overrated. No, he hasn't proven himself in the NHL because he hasn't played there yet (yes, I got the sarcasm). Parise, from what he's proven thus far, is an exceptional player with skill to boot. Will that translate to winning the Calder and another Cup for NJ in the not-so-distant future? I don't know, let me whip out my crystal ball and maybe I'll give you a prediction.

I've watched Parise through his two years at UND and I've watched him A LOT! The thing I can tell you is that he may be overhyped to you and some others, but what he has shown thus far is what many (myself included) is basing what he can become on. He's got limitless potential and he's a damn good player. I applaud NJ for making the move to trade up to get him, and I wish nothing but the best for him with NJ. Am I saying he's the be-all-end-all player in the league or NJ? No, I'm just saying that he's one heckuva player that NJ snagged on draft day last summer.

Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion. You may consider Parise to be overrated, while someone else may consider Ovechkin overrated or Sidney Crosby overrated. No, he hasn't proven himself in the NHL because he hasn't played there yet (yes, I got the sarcasm). Parise, from what he's proven thus far, is an exceptional player with skill to boot. Will that translate to winning the Calder and another Cup for NJ in the not-so-distant future? I don't know, let me whip out my crystal ball and maybe I'll give you a prediction.

I've watched Parise through his two years at UND and I've watched him A LOT! The thing I can tell you is that he may be overhyped to you and some others, but what he has shown thus far is what many (myself included) is basing what he can become on. He's got limitless potential and he's a damn good player. I applaud NJ for making the move to trade up to get him, and I wish nothing but the best for him with NJ. Am I saying he's the be-all-end-all player in the league or NJ? No, I'm just saying that he's one heckuva player that NJ snagged on draft day last summer.

Which is all we can ask for.
Just because you're sick of him, DF, doesn't mean we should trade him.

Im not saying trade him because Im sick of him, Im saying trade him because our defense is weak in the future IMO.......Im tired of Parise this, Parise that.......he's one guy that I'll boo till my lungs get sore. Hopefully he'll prove me wrong, but he shall be booed.

All I know is Lou smiled when NJ picked Parise. :teach:

This has got to be one of the DUMBER threads I've seen. You're ripping on Parise for basically no logical reason at all......take some advice from Arnold Schwarzeneger:

STOP WHINING

Lou knew what he was getting when he traded up last year in the NHL Draft to get Parise... He is far from overrated and many will see his abilities and see that this kid is the real deal and will be very successful in the NHL. Parise is the present and future star of the Devils... He will be here in New Jersey for a long time...


Barker is a good sized defenseman but not worth trading Parise for... :shakehead Barker is like a Niedermayer but bigger. Devils do not need another defenseman like that...


Parise=Devils future... Lou's Gem... ;)

I'm not trying to argue with you because maybe you know something about the guy that I don't, but the book on Malkin is that he plays a very complete game.
Malkin is far from complete. He has an amazing package of size, speed, and skill but his allround game needs to be polished. Since we allready have Khomutov as a talented project I don't see the need to get Malkin.....I know Malkin is much better then Khomutov but you know what I mean.

Oh yeah, cause he's already proven himself in the NHL right?? He's led the league in scoring, he's scored 50 goals, and topped a 100 points. He's got a Stanley Cup, he's been to the finals once before that........yeah, he's the greatest.

Zach Parise = overrated, and Im sick of him.
Yeah your completely right, because I said everything you mention there.

Just because your "sick of him" doesn't make it a good idea to trade him. He could become a very big part of the team as Elias begins to get older.

I'm curious of all this sudden hate for Parise. Sleep with your girlfriend or something?

Im not saying trade him because Im sick of him, Im saying trade him because our defense is weak in the future IMO.......Im tired of Parise this, Parise that.......he's one guy that I'll boo till my lungs get sore. Hopefully he'll prove me wrong, but he shall be booed.
What has he done to merit "booing"? Yes he is unproven, but what your talking about is not giving him a chance.

Yeah your completely right, because I said everything you mention there.

Just because your "sick of him" doesn't make it a good idea to trade him. He could become a very big part of the team as Elias begins to get older.

I'm curious of all this sudden hate for Parise. Sleep with your girlfriend or something?


Very original :lol so funny..........At first I was happy to get him, but the praise for this guy is becoming ridiculous, I bet he'll be traded down the line anyways, it'll become more about Zach Parise and less about the team, which Lou won't stand for. I don't hear Pens fans ranting and raving about Fleury, the Canes about Staal, Florida with Horton, Columbus with Zherdev, and Vanek with the Sabres.....all I hear from New Jersey Devils fans is Parise, Parise, Parise.....let it go already. As for booing him, I feel like booing someone and since the name Parise is pissing me off, he shall be booed. Besides, I don't see why you all are jumping at me like this (although expected) Im certainly entitled to my opinions on the little ****.

Very original :lol so funny..........At first I was happy to get him, but the praise for this guy is becoming ridiculous, I bet he'll be traded down the line anyways, it'll become more about Zach Parise and less about the team, which Lou won't stand for. I don't hear Pens fans ranting and raving about Fleury, the Canes about Staal, Florida with Horton, Columbus with Zherdev, and Vanek with the Sabres.....all I hear from New Jersey Devils fans is Parise, Parise, Parise.....let it go already. As for booing him, I feel like booing someone and since the name Parise is pissing me off, he shall be booed. Besides, I don't see why you all are jumping at me like this (although expected) Im certainly entitled to my opinions on the little ****.
Have you ever met the guy, or did you come up with him being selfish all by yourself?

As for the booing, go ahead, boo him at a game, but you'll be doing it by yourself.

I'm willing to bet we could nab Barker without trading Parise quite easily. Still not worth it. We get plenty of great players from Conte without having to go for hyped early first round players.

I'm willing to bet we could nab Barker without trading Parise quite easily. Still not worth it. We get plenty of great players from Conte without having to go for hyped early first round players.
I doubt that, Barker is a bluechip prospect and other than Parise, we really dont have another other than Ahonen. The Hawks probably won't want Ahonen but they may not want Parise either since they are trying to trade up for Ovechkin and they already have Ruutu.

We won't get 2nd overall, Malkin probably already has his bags packed for Pittsburgh.

Have you ever met the guy, or did you come up with him being selfish all by yourself?

As for the booing, go ahead, boo him at a game, but you'll be doing it by yourself.

I don't recall calling him selfish......now you're just making up stuff......and it's kind of hard to boo him at a game when I live in freaking Canada!!!!

Very original :lol so funny..........At first I was happy to get him, but the praise for this guy is becoming ridiculous, I bet he'll be traded down the line anyways, it'll become more about Zach Parise and less about the team , which Lou won't stand for. I don't hear Pens fans ranting and raving about Fleury, the Canes about Staal, Florida with Horton, Columbus with Zherdev, and Vanek with the Sabres.....all I hear from New Jersey Devils fans is Parise, Parise, Parise.....let it go already. As for booing him, I feel like booing someone and since the name Parise is pissing me off, he shall be booed. Besides, I don't see why you all are jumping at me like this (although expected) Im certainly entitled to my opinions on the little ****.
Seems like calling him selfish to me.
and it's kind of hard to boo him at a game when I live in freaking Canada!!!!
Ah yes I forgot, your a Devils/Oilers/Leafs/whatever team, fan.

I doubt that, Barker is a bluechip prospect and other than Parise, we really dont have another other than Ahonen. The Hawks probably won't want Ahonen but they may not want Parise either since they are trying to trade up for Ovechkin and they already have Ruutu.

We won't get 2nd overall, Malkin probably already has his bags packed for Pittsburgh.

Ari Ahonen (Hawks wouldn't mind a goalie), 22nd overall, Devils 1st rounder 05, and possibly another mid-prospect (Voros, Pikkaren, maybe someone like Vrana or Pihlman) would easily buy Barker. Is it worth it? No way in hell.

Just remember though, the Hawks don't need another blue-chip D prospect.

Seems like calling him selfish to me.

Ah yes I forgot, your a Devils/Oilers/Leafs/whatever team, fan.

No, Im not saying Zach is making it about himself, Im saying the fans and media will do so.

No, Im not saying Zach is making it about himself, Im saying the fans and media will do so.
Most pro hockey players are very humble. There was an article in the main board about it. He's no Derek Jeter in the sense of geting a lot of media exposure.

No, Im not saying Zach is making it about himself, Im saying the fans and media will do so.
So you trade him because the fans are excited about him? What a joke. The fans and media are making Brodeur out to be a god.....better trade him while were at it.

I think DF just sees what most fans looking at this from the outside in are.

You guys have completely overhyped him to the point where most talk about franchise saviour, when it reality he does not deserve such a high standing. He's a very good prospect, that could be a 1st line player in the future, or a very good 2nd liner. This is not taking into consideration what type of ridiculous pressure the fans of the Devils and media are placing on the kid. He's expected to be the next big American hockey player and it's just not a reality.

For the second overall pick so we can draft Cam Barker.

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The only reason I suggest this is because we've got a plethora of centers, that are young enough to be around for awhile. Gomez, Foster, Khumotov, Madden (maybe), Kozlov (maybe), Rasmussen. Gomez can be a first line center, Foster at #2, Madden 3 and Khumotov 4 while Rass and Koz play wings. What we don't have, is a defensman who can play like Stevens, AND Niedermayer....he'd be just the punishing, yet offensive d-man we need. I don't like trading Parise, but to get a stud defenseman, I'd do it.

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I wouldn't do it because Zach potentially fills an organizational need for more scoring on the 2nd line. There is a good chance he will fill that need when hockey starts up again. If we trade for Barker, we are waiting another year or two for him to develop. Also, I have trust in Conte that we can get a d-man that will step in a few years down the line with one of our picks.

I think DF just sees what most fans looking at this from the outside in are.

You guys have completely overhyped him to the point where most talk about franchise saviour, when it reality he does not deserve such a high standing. He's a very good prospect, that could be a 1st line player in the future, or a very good 2nd liner. This is not taking into consideration what type of ridiculous pressure the fans of the Devils and media are placing on the kid. He's expected to be the next big American hockey player and it's just not a reality.

I think most of us here see him as a great two way second line center/good two way first line center with tons of character and nothing more.

I think DF just sees what most fans looking at this from the outside in are.

You guys have completely overhyped him to the point where most talk about franchise saviour, when it reality he does not deserve such a high standing. He's a very good prospect, that could be a 1st line player in the future, or a very good 2nd liner. This is not taking into consideration what type of ridiculous pressure the fans of the Devils and media are placing on the kid. He's expected to be the next big American hockey player and it's just not a reality.
How the hell isn't it a reality, what doesn't he not possess in order to be the next big thing in American hockey. What hasn't he accomplished, what league hasn't he dominated. That is only his offensive credentials. He is also extremely solid in his own end even strength and one of the better PK'ers in college hockey used on both 5 on 4 and 5 on 3.

We don't need to hype him, hockey minds all over North America are doing that for us and for good reason.

Parise is a prospect, yes. He hasn't done anything in adult hockey. 90% of prospects haven't. Parise however is about as good of a prospect as it gets. He is currently a better prospect than Gomez was at the same age, and look how Gomez turned out. In fact, you have to go back pretty far to find a better Devils prospect. That doesn't mean Parise is going to be better than Gomez, but it does mean he has the potential to be so.

It is very possible that Parise will become the next big American player. Trading him would be stupid unless we get overpayment in return. Parise and Gomez could very well be a great pair of centers.

Parise is a prospect, yes. He hasn't done anything in adult hockey. 90% of prospects haven't. Parise however is about as good of a prospect as it gets. He is currently a better prospect than Gomez was at the same age, and look how Gomez turned out. In fact, you have to go back pretty far to find a better Devils prospect. That doesn't mean Parise is going to be better than Gomez, but it does mean he has the potential to be so.

It is very possible that Parise will become the next big American player. Trading him would be stupid unless we get overpayment in return. Parise and Gomez could very well be a great pair of centers.

I agree. Trading Parise right now would almost be as dumb as trading for, say, Chris Gratton. (Plus, as I my new mantra, if anyone needs to be traded, it's Jeff Friesen.)