Best QB in the CFL

Duff88
06-15-2004, 12:16 PM
Who's the best QB in the CFL?

Calorissi
06-15-2004, 12:54 PM
Until he is unseated, Anthony Calvilo is the man to beat.

Hossa
06-15-2004, 01:07 PM
To be honest, I almost think the answer is Other: Henry Burris.

I can say though that Kerry Joseph is sick. The guy is built because he used to start at safety for the Seahawks, and he can run for the same reasons. I didn't expect him to have a great arm, but he showed last year he had an amazing arm, especially deep. Not only that but he's really getting back into being a QB again, becuase he didn't play QB for about 4 years while he was converted to a DB. I would not be surprised if by the end of this season, he was getting a lot of votes in this type of poll.

The Rage
06-15-2004, 01:45 PM
How anyone can choose anyone other than Dave Dickenson, I have no idea. The man is incredible. And unlike Calvillo, he doesn't have Copeland and Cahoon to throw the ball to. Trust me, Dickenson will lead the league in quarterback rating BY FAR.

Leopold Stotch
06-15-2004, 10:39 PM
Greene's out for the season. Now the Rougriders starter is Henry Burris, who should be up there over alot of QBs.

Burris, Dickenson, and Calvillo are the top 3, period. I'm not sure about Calvillo, who is a great QB, but I do know the other two got picked up by the NFL. Burris has one of the best arms I've ever seen(and the movie star smile), while Dickenson is better all-around. I'll pick Dickenson as best in the CFL.

Greene, pre-injury, was probably the best running QB.

Also, Damon Allen has shown he's still going strong. 300 yards tonight was great for the old man.


My rankings would look like this(top 10):

1.Dickenson, BC
2.Calvillo, MTL
3.Burris, SSK
4.Allen, TOR
5.Joseph, OTT
6.Jones, WPG
7.McManus, HAM
8.Glenn, WPG
9.Mass, EDM
10.Crandell, CGY

If Greene didn't go down with the broken leg, he'd definetely be on the list. Either booting Joseph from the #5 spot(more likely), or Jones from the #6 spot.

monster_bertuzzi
06-16-2004, 12:28 AM
How anyone can choose anyone other than Dave Dickenson, I have no idea. The man is incredible. And unlike Calvillo, he doesn't have Copeland and Cahoon to throw the ball to. Trust me, Dickenson will lead the league in quarterback rating BY FAR.

Dickenson has one of best WR in the CFL, Geroy Simon.

Kirk Pedersen
06-16-2004, 06:46 PM
Simon is one of the best WR's in the league because of Dickenson. He was nothing before Dave hit the scene here.

But, I would be hard-pressed to find a better QB in this league than Dave at this point. He's got a great arm, is incredibly tough (he took more bad licks than pretty much anyone in the CFL last year), and will do anything to make this Leos club a success. His mobility is limited (dropback passer), but other than that, he's the QB we always needed and wanted, no offense to Damon Allen.

The Sports Gorilla
06-16-2004, 06:50 PM
1.Dickenson, BC
2.Calvillo, MTL
3.Burris, SSK
4.Allen, TOR
5.Joseph, OTT
6.Jones, WPG
7.McManus, HAM
8.Glenn, WPG
9.Mass, EDM
10.Crandell, CGY

Thats a pretty accurate list, although there probably are some backups better than Crandell.

I think I would swap Joseph and Jones though. Wait until we see Joseph go for a full season.

The Rage
06-16-2004, 07:55 PM
Simon is one of the best WR's in the league because of Dickenson. He was nothing before Dave hit the scene here.



I agree. In fact, the entire Lions team was nothing before Dickenson came. The Als success starts with defense, then recievers, then maybe Calvillo after those two much more important factors.

canucksfan
06-16-2004, 08:15 PM
Dickenson

Leopold Stotch
06-17-2004, 11:31 PM
Thats a pretty accurate list, although there probably are some backups better than Crandell.

I think I would swap Joseph and Jones though. Wait until we see Joseph go for a full season.

Maybe it's premature, but did you see Joseph tonight? He was awesome against the BBs. Jones didn't help his stock any in tonights performance, as well.

Calorissi
06-18-2004, 09:13 AM
Joseph was great last night, and by the end of next year, there could be a new king.

He started last pre-season as the 5th string QB in Ottawa and ended the pre-season as #2. With Crowley stinking up the joint, they had enough faith in a guy with only a few months of CFL experience to lead the team. Even though he had little professional QB experience before training camp in Ottawa.

He was a strong safety for the Seatle Seahawks, and I just heard last night that he asked the Ottawa head coach Joe Paopao if he could be on special teams as a tackler last year when he made the Renegades as the backup. There are not many QBs with that kind of attitude, and even less with his skills.

We will see what a full year can bring.

Indrid Cold
06-18-2004, 12:34 PM
Dickenson.

Leopold Stotch
06-18-2004, 05:42 PM
Some biased Albertians in the house? 4 votes for Jason Maas as top QB in the CFL, and 1 vote for Crandell. Ouch.

The Rage
06-18-2004, 06:28 PM
Some biased Albertians in the house? 4 votes for Jason Maas as top QB in the CFL, and 1 vote for Crandell. Ouch.

I don't see how those votes are any different than the ones for Greene or Allen...

Fish on The Sand
06-18-2004, 06:33 PM
Thats a pretty accurate list, although there probably are some backups better than Crandell.

I think I would swap Joseph and Jones though. Wait until we see Joseph go for a full season.
Accurate? He has Glenn and Mcmanus ahead of Maas. Thats just a joke.

Kirk Pedersen
06-18-2004, 06:34 PM
Accurate? He has Glenn and Mcmanus ahead of Maas. Thats just a joke.
Maas barely took a snap after Ray arrived and until he proves otherwise, he is in the lower-echelon of CFL starters.

Fish on The Sand
06-18-2004, 06:35 PM
Dickenson has one of best WR in the CFL, Geroy Simon.
and yet Edmonton has 4 who are better :lol: He's good and all, but one of the best he is not.

I'd take Vaughn, Hervey, Tucker, Mitchell, Cahoon, Copeland, Moore and Stegall over him. He might figure in the top 10, but just barely if he does.

Fish on The Sand
06-18-2004, 06:36 PM
Maas barely took a snap after Ray arrived and until he proves otherwise, he is in the lower-echelon of CFL starters.
Yet Glenn deserves to be higher for riding pine his entire career, where as Maas did it for a grand total of a year and a half. He was an all-star the year before he got hurt, why should he not be one now? Also, Mcmanus sucks hardcore.

The Rage
06-18-2004, 07:45 PM
Maas barely took a snap after Ray arrived

I guess it depends on what you mean by "arrived," but Maas was the starter for half a season while Ray was here.


and until he proves otherwise, he is in the lower-echelon of CFL starters.

He's proven far more than Glenn, and McManus is finished. I would never say Maas is one of the top quarterbacks in the league, but he's pretty decent (Edmonton's nominee for outstanding player a few years back).

Kirk Pedersen
06-18-2004, 07:50 PM
I guess it depends on what you mean by "arrived," but Maas was the starter for half a season while Ray was here.



He's proven far more than Glenn, and McManus is finished. I would never say Maas is one of the top quarterbacks in the league, but he's pretty decent (Edmonton's nominee for outstanding player a few years back).
McManus may be finished, but he's still played more than Maas in the past two seasons, on crummy teams. It says something about a guy when some rookie can just walk in and grab his job away from him as easily as Ray did from Jason Maas.

And yes, I know, Kevin Glenn blows, I just chose not to even mention him because of that fact.

The Rage
06-18-2004, 08:03 PM
McManus may be finished, but he's still played more than Maas in the past two seasons, on crummy teams.


If you devalue Maas because of his injuries, you may have a point. But if you think he just doesn't have the ability, I have to disagree.


It says something about a guy when some rookie can just walk in and grab his job away from him as easily as Ray did from Jason Maas.

Well, if it was a schlub who took Mass's job, that would be one thing, but Ray is an incredible quarterback. I think he would have done the same to any starter in the league right now, barring Dickenson and Calvillo.

Fish on The Sand
06-18-2004, 08:21 PM
McManus may be finished, but he's still played more than Maas in the past two seasons, on crummy teams. It says something about a guy when some rookie can just walk in and grab his job away from him as easily as Ray did from Jason Maas.

And yes, I know, Kevin Glenn blows, I just chose not to even mention him because of that fact.
Over the past 3 years guess who's played more, Dickenson or maas? Maas, and by a wide margin.

leafaholix*
06-18-2004, 09:03 PM
Damon Allen is top 3.

He's old, but he's as fast as any QB and can throw with the best of them.

Kirk Pedersen
06-18-2004, 09:49 PM
Over the past 3 years guess who's played more, Dickenson or maas? Maas, and by a wide margin.
Comparing Mass to Dickenson is like apples to oranges. Dickenson may have sat on the bench, but he played in a superior league and gained knowledge that he has put to good use since coming back here. He's the best quarterback in this league.

Fish on The Sand
06-19-2004, 12:46 AM
Comparing Mass to Dickenson is like apples to oranges. Dickenson may have sat on the bench, but he played in a superior league and gained knowledge that he has put to good use since coming back here. He's the best quarterback in this league.
did he even take a single regular season snap in the nfl? I'd be shocked if he did. Tell me, what valuable experience could he have gained from watching Drew Brees embaass himself, and watching a 40 year old doug flutie on the bench? lets be realistic, Dickenson was cut by the Lions, that says enough.

Kirk Pedersen
06-19-2004, 01:06 AM
did he even take a single regular season snap in the nfl? I'd be shocked if he did. Tell me, what valuable experience could he have gained from watching Drew Brees embaass himself, and watching a 40 year old doug flutie on the bench? lets be realistic, Dickenson was cut by the Lions, that says enough.
Yeah, he spent a couple years holding a clipboard and being cut by NFL clubs, but he still practiced with them. He got into better shape when he was down there, because the workout regimen in the NFL is far more severe than in the CFL, and he's been better off because of it, even if he didn't take any snaps.

MatsSundin13
06-19-2004, 05:21 AM
I thinkMcManus is best QB IN CFL...He has everything potential to win alot of games...hes just on a very week team

leafaholix*
06-19-2004, 06:10 PM
I thinkMcManus is best QB IN CFL...He has everything potential to win alot of games...hes just on a very week team
He's very old though.

Leopold Stotch
07-05-2004, 02:50 PM
Accurate? He has Glenn and Mcmanus ahead of Maas. Thats just a joke.

Leopold Stotch
07-05-2004, 02:56 PM
Accurate? He has Glenn and Mcmanus ahead of Maas. Thats just a joke.

Still a joke? Danny Mac has been awesome so far, leading the TiCats to 3-0 so far, while Maas is leading the defending champion Esks to 0-3. Ouch.

After week 3, here's my new rankings:\

1.Joseph
2.McManus
3.Burris
4.Calvillo
5.Allen
6.Printers
7.Jones
8.Crandell
9.Maas

I didn't rank Dickenson because I know he's battling injuries, and so far, his play this season would rank him behind Printers, and I know he's better. Burris might be too high, because he's only played in 1 game, but in that 1 game, he put on one of the best displays I've seen since 2000. Unlike Greene and Butler, he would start up a run, but would keep his head up and wouldn't committ to going for it, as many times he made incredible passes just at the line of scrimmage. Hopefully he takes it to the Bombers next game.