Scott Gomez...

What would it take from the Flames to get Gomez from NJ? With the possible loss of Neids and Stevens they are looking very thin on the blueline. The Flames have an abundance of defensemen that could be traded. Would something like the following work??

Lydman (Great offensively and defensively, and logs big minutes)
+
Gautier (Can pick up the missed hitting from Stevens and logs big minutes)
+
a pick

FOR

GOMEZ.

That would give you 2 defensemen that can play between 3-4 defense and a pick.

I already responded in the trade rumors forum but in one word:

NO
in two words:
HELL NO
Gomez is way too important to the team and actually lead the league in scoring the second half of the season. There is no way the team will deal a 24 year old 1st line center.

Gomez isn't a 1st line center. :teach:

Gomez isn't a 1st line center. :teach:
He is the 1st line center for New Jersey. He may be a 2nd line center on most other teams but regardless, he is not being trading.

Not to be mean, but the only way this proposal could be worse if Chris Gratton was involved. No way does Gomez get traded-especially not for 2nd pairing defensemen.

Gomez isn't a 1st line center. :teach:

1st in the league in assists is pretty good for a 2nd line center :teach:

1st in the league in assists is pretty good for a 2nd line center :teach:


He's a 2nd line center at best.

He's a 2nd line center at best.
At best? He lead the league in second half scoring and overall assists at the tender age of 23. Care to tell me why he is a second line center at best? Does this make tanguay a second liner at best as well?

Gomez isn't a 1st line center.



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Leading the league in assists during the whole season and leading the league in points after Christmas really, really sucks ya know.

2nd line center at best? Scott Gomez is one of the best centers in the league. I remember something did the math. If he had scored at the rate he did while the EGG line was formed during the whole year, he'd have 97 points.

I don't even want to argue; you guys have your own opinions and I have mine. :)

I don't even want to argue; you guys have your own opinions and I have mine. :)

I can understand that... and until this season, you're right, Scott wasn't a first line center. This season, he was. He led the league in assists. He led the whole league in points through the second half of the season. It wasn't just Patrik Elias, it was Scott Gomez too. The kid, at 24, is a first line center. He found a scoring touch too, began to shoot the puck more. His passing is great and it's been said he has Gretzky-like vision, and he is second to none in carrying the puck into the zone. Scott Gomez, judging by points and by skill, is a first line center. You can't say he isn't, because he out-produced everyone else and has consistantly put up points pretty close to that of a first-liner.

You have to realize the top two offensive lines in NJ are often totally interchangeable same as they were when Joe Nieuwendyk was still with the Devils. I stopped questioning how valuable Scott Gomez was to the team when he came back in the opening rounds of the playoffs a little over a year ago after being knocked into next week when he collided with Grant Marshall and took the worst of a heavy blow to his head. Fell into the team bench really awkwardly totally unaware of his whereabouts at the time. It was scary watching him trying to make his way off the bench back to the locker room and the team doctors. Looked like a player who had been knocked out by a then in his prime, Mike Tyson. Kid came back and played pretty quickly at a pretty high level after what looked like a very likely concussion. Its too bad he doesn't get more ink for what he does outside of NJ. People get the impression all the time on this site that Scott Gomez isn't all that talented. Its a shame. If his last name was something else and he was originally from Canada, I get the distinct impression hockey fanatics everywhere would be singing his praises a whole lot more then they typically do.

Like maybe if his name was, oh, I dunno, lets say, "P. Forsberg." That would help, and if he cried all the time about the refs, picked up his puck and went home, then maybe we could consider him 1st line center material.

What would it take from the Flames to get Gomez from NJ? With the possible loss of Neids and Stevens they are looking very thin on the blueline. The Flames have an abundance of defensemen that could be traded.

That's really not true. The Devils had two rookies receive a lot of ice time at the defensemen position. It was the scoring that was the problem, with the exception of Elias and Gomez - so I say it would be more than Sutter would be willing to pay to get Gomez.

Gomez isn't a 1st line center
He finished tied for the league lead in assists this season. He is a first-line center.
I don't even want to argue; you guys have your own opinions and I have mine
Yes, and Gomez has a freaking Stanley Cup as first-line center here in New Jersey, so he is a first-line center.

As for you Flame-Star-Devil, I realize that you like Nieuwendyk, but he was not the first-line center last season. The Gomez-Elias line was the Devils best as they won the 2002-03 Stanley Cup. Pat Burns often employed interchangeable RW's during the season and playoffs in 02-03.

After the All-Star break this year, The EGG-line of Elias, Gomez and Gionta was one of the most potent lines in the entire league -- a first line worthy of almost any team.

Gomez isn't a 1st line center. :teach:He's a second line center at best.I love it when guys come on here and throw out general statements which have NO BACKING WHATSOEVER. You don't like the Devils. I can respect that. I'm not a huge Avs fan either. For you to make these asinine statements and not tell us why you feel the way you do is not only childish, it makes you a poser. Oh wait, you explain it so well here:
I don't even want to argue; you guys have your own opinions and I have mine.:) That probably makes it ok to you, but look at all the evidence the Devils fans have shelled out to prove their points. You making bold statements (and believe me, it is BOLD to say Gomez is a second line center "at best.") and not providing evidence to substantiate your claims would be like somebody on this forum calling you a jackass and not providing anything to validate the claim.

for the Devils, but couldn't be for the Flames, I guess. He can't play defense, he's not physical, but yet you come here asking what he would cost. First, Gomer isn't goining anywhere, he's maturing and becoming a better player and team leader. Calagary doesn't have enough to trade for him. :shakehead

I don't even want to argue; you guys have your own opinions and I have mine. :)

You brought a lot of value to this thread. Thanks. Now I know why you like Adam Foote.

You brought a lot of value to this thread. Thanks. Now I know why you like Adam Foote.

hey now....Adam Foote rules.

Adam Foote is a good defenseman and would not mind having him on the devils anyday. But we know that just won't happen... :dunno:

Bully is right, Footamajink says Gomez is lucky to be a 2nd line center, doesn't bring any facts to the table, and expects not to be *****ed around especially on the devils board.

Gomez is 1st/2nd line center on any team in the league, including the Flames. You really believe Conroy is better then Gomez??? Gomez is one of the most talented players in the league, everyone will see next year. Hell put up around 85-90 points, just watch. Next to Iginla, if Gomez was on the Flames he is by far and away there 2nd best player without question.

Gomez is 1st/2nd line center on any team in the league, including the Flames. You really believe Conroy is better then Gomez??? Gomez is one of the most talented players in the league, everyone will see next year. Hell put up around 85-90 points, just watch. Next to Iginla, if Gomez was on the Flames he is by far and away there 2nd best player without question.


Didn't the Devils try to trade Gomez to Calgary for Conroy? Why would they do that? Hmmmmmmmm.......

Didn't the Devils try to trade Gomez to Calgary for Conroy? Why would they do that? Hmmmmmmmm.......

Unless you believe Larry Brooks and the rest of the clowns at the NY post then no...

I would also like to know how this pertains to the arguement that the leagues leading assist man/second half point scorer is barley a second line center. Care to enlighten me?

Gomez isn't a 1st line center. :teach:

And Adam Foote isn't top two D.

Unless you believe Larry Brooks and the rest of the clowns at the NY post then no...

I would also like to know how this pertains to the arguement that the leagues leading assist man/second half point scorer is barley a second line center. Care to enlighten me?

He got 70 points this year, wow. :eek: When/If he's consistent, then he'll be a #1 center. He's been in the league, what 5 years? He hasn't hit the 20 goal mark and he's a #1 center? :shakehead

And Adam Foote isn't top two D.


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He got 70 points this year, wow. :eek: When/If he's consistent, then he'll be a #1 center. He's been in the league, what 5 years? He hasn't hit the 20 goal mark and he's a #1 center? :shakehead

Most would argue Doug Weight is a #1 center, and he hasn't hit 20 goals in a Blues uniform.

Due to NJ rolling 4 lines, Gomez only plays less than most typical #1 centers (16 minutes this year). Typical #1 centers like Modano (20:25), Sakic (20:15), Thornton (21:38), Sundin (19:52) just get a lot more ice time. For the better defensive centers (Sakic, Modano, etc), half of the extra ice time is on the PK.

Nobody is saying that Gomez is a top 5 center in the league, but by definition a #1 center can be defined as one of the top 30 centermen in the league. Obviously nobody intends it as that, but I think a case could be made for Gomez being one of the top 15 centers right now.

I consider Olli Jokinen to be a #1 center, so I consider Gomez one as well. Another tough comparison would be Daniel Briere who puts up similar points to Gomez, but most folks wouldn't call him a #1 center.

Who cares if Weight hasn't scored 20 goals in a Blues jersey? He has hit the 20 goal mark 6 times in his career.

I like Gomez and think he's a good player, but I don't think he's a #1 center right now.

Who cares if Weight hasn't scored 20 goals in a Blues jersey? He has hit the 20 goal mark 6 times in his career.

I like Gomez and think he's a good player, but I don't think he's a #1 center right now.

No need to worry, because he won't be going to Calgary. :lol

Who cares if Weight hasn't scored 20 goals in a Blues jersey? He has hit the 20 goal mark 6 times in his career.

I like Gomez and think he's a good player, but I don't think he's a #1 center right now.

I'm just saying that Doug Weight is still an effective player despite not putting up 20 goals. There's no exact definition of what a #1 center should be.......obviously you think a #1 center has to put up 25 goals at some point which is perfectly fine. Most of us think Gomez is fine being a 15 goal, 55 assist man, and that's good enough to be our "#1".

:)

He got 70 points this year, wow. :eek: When/If he's consistent, then he'll be a #1 center. He's been in the league, what 5 years? He hasn't hit the 20 goal mark and he's a #1 center? :shakehead

OH, No. 1 centers are supposed to score 20 goals a year. NOW I know the criteria. Thanks for a another sparkling post.

When/If he's consistent?????????????????????????

JKY

I dunno.... I think he's been consistant.

2003-04 14G, 56A, 70 points
2002-03 13G, 42A, 55 points
2001-02 10G, 38A, 48 points
2000-01 14G, 49A, 63 points
1999-00 19G, 51A, 70 points

Steady decline followed by steady improvement. And he's only 24.
Last season he was a #1 center beyond any measure of doubt. Frankly, if you put up 50 assists and 10 goals, in my mind, you're a number one center. Gomez doesn't need to score goals, he needs to make passes. He fulfills the Devils' function for a number one center.

Players peak at 24. Only at HF.

Scott Gomez = teh win!

The guy is an unbeleiveable playmaker. Put him with ANYBODY and watch that guy score.