cyrisweb 05-23-2004, 05:22 PM There are a couple players from the Ducks that I would love the Canucks to pick up. I'm not extremely familiar with everything your team needs though. So before I go blindly making trade proposals I thought I'd try to pose my question.
I did scan the forums for a couple weeks already and have picked up some fans saying you need:
a big gritty top 6 forward?
a good offensive dman prospect?
What else is needed? or would help your team in trades?
Kevin Forbes 05-23-2004, 05:23 PM a goaltender with backup potential who can play in the AHL now
a goaltender with backup potential who is still in Europe or in junior
A veteran with grit, leadership, and some scoring ability for the 3rd line... the role Steve Thomas filled in the SCF run.
A new 4th line that is both phyiscal and can play decent hockey. Severson they can keep but Krog (not physical) and Burnett (can't play hockey) have to go.
Havelid traded to make room for a better, more consistent defenseman.
That's my wish list besides what has already been listed.
Kevin Forbes 05-24-2004, 12:23 AM Here's a thought for all of you, Thomas is again a UFA this off-season, Detroit isn't expected to make much of an effort to bring him back, if any at all.
Pursue?
Here's a thought for all of you, Thomas is again a UFA this off-season, Detroit isn't expected to make much of an effort to bring him back, if any at all.
Pursue?
Wouldn't hurt to ask, but I'd expect Thomas to retire.
McDonald19 05-24-2004, 01:52 AM Here's a thought for all of you, Thomas is again a UFA this off-season, Detroit isn't expected to make much of an effort to bring him back, if any at all.
Pursue?
I think he's done. He looked a lot slower and less effective for Detroit in the playoffs this year.
Randall Graves* 05-24-2004, 03:12 AM Here's a thought for all of you, Thomas is again a UFA this off-season, Detroit isn't expected to make much of an effort to bring him back, if any at all.
Pursue?
I think he said he was going to retire, but BM should ask anyways. We clearly need a veteran with some spark who plays with emotion.
He was the perfect pickup in 03, perhaps it was best his legacy as a duck is remembered as the guy we all wanted back.
As for team needs, i'd say a physical third line winger(Chris Simon would be ideal) and a physical defensemen if possible. I'm not in favor of trading havelid he had a great world cup tournament.
I'm not in favor of trading havelid he had a great world cup tournament.
Great play in a summer tournament can't erase a brutal -28 season. Havelid can be really good, but he's also really bad at times. I'd rather have a guy that was just pretty good all of the time.
Kick Save 05-24-2004, 02:07 PM Great play in a summer tournament can't erase a brutal -28 season. Havelid can be really good, but he's also really bad at times. I'd rather have a guy that was just pretty good all of the time.
I'm with Hank on this one. The ideal time to trade a player is when his stock is at its highest. I'm not saying there's a huge market for Havelid, but right now, it's probably as high as it's going to get.
Spankatola Jamnuts 05-24-2004, 03:20 PM People do tend to overrate performances in the tournaments. We all saw how rotten Nic can be. Now's the time to upgrade him.
Fighter 05-24-2004, 06:10 PM Now's the time to upgrade him.
...dealing him at the draft to move up! :handclap:
Randall Graves* 05-24-2004, 06:47 PM Great play in a summer tournament can't erase a brutal -28 season. Havelid can be really good, but he's also really bad at times. I'd rather have a guy that was just pretty good all of the time.
I disagree completely, we all know Havelid has been a very reliable steady defensemen. he had a bad year, so what?Almost everybody did I think he'll get back to being the old Havelid...besides whats the point in trading him if his value is so low?
Spankatola Jamnuts 05-24-2004, 10:53 PM Because he was an okay rookie, then he was decent, then bad, then really good, then REALLY REALLY bad.... He's only an asset every other season. Steady and above average is all we need in the 5-6 spot.
Kevin Forbes 05-24-2004, 11:37 PM Steady and above average is all we need in the 5-6 spot.
I'm inclined to agree, especially considering we don't have monster blueliners who are always capable of sucking up a lot of minutes, we sometimes need to use our 3rd pairing more then other teams might normally do.
Jerky Leclerc 05-25-2004, 08:52 AM I am never one to look backward and Thomas is set for retirement. But then I look at the Anaheim team this season and saw guys not willing to work hard enough to win. We lost alot of 1 goal games and maybe a little leadership from Thomas could help. This is believing Thomas wants to play another year. I think Thomas is done and ready to spend time with his family.
S.S. Giggy 05-25-2004, 06:33 PM he had a bad year, so what?Almost everybody did I think he'll get back to being the old Havelid...
Havelid's only good when Sandis isn't around. Simply, he had to step up. In my analysis, I thought that Havelid had the potential to break the 30 assist mark but, when Murray traded to get Ozo, Havelid only had a few assists afterwards.
Randall Graves* 05-26-2004, 01:17 AM I am never one to look backward and Thomas is set for retirement. But then I look at the Anaheim team this season and saw guys not willing to work hard enough to win. We lost alot of 1 goal games and maybe a little leadership from Thomas could help. This is believing Thomas wants to play another year. I think Thomas is done and ready to spend time with his family.
This team needs more players who are hungry to win.
That means either more North Americans who are known for playing with heart or more young guys who will fight to stay in the NHL.
Randall Graves* 05-26-2004, 01:22 AM Havelid's only good when Sandis isn't around. Simply, he had to step up. In my analysis, I thought that Havelid had the potential to break the 30 assist mark but, when Murray traded to get Ozo, Havelid only had a few assists afterwards.
I somewhat agree, but with as badly as everyone played I think the team should atleast give Nick the opportunity to earn his spot back...if he loses it his spot will go to Popovic.
If we are going to add a defensemen who else is going to be out?
Carney?No
Vishnevski?Unlikely
Skoula?Maybe but unlikely with how well he played.
Ozolinsh?good chance
Havelid?good chance
Salei?No
So say we dump Havelid, Popovic comes in and then it comes down to ozo or Skoula. Nobody will give anything valuable with ozo making 4.5 and I don't see us trading Skoula because of the offensive capabilities he showed with the Ducks last season.
Lyons71 05-26-2004, 02:16 AM The Ducks need:
A new system that actually works with the players they have,
Everyone to do their job,
People to not play injured,
Todd Bertuzzi?
cyrisweb 05-26-2004, 08:23 AM Todd Bertuzzi plays a style of game that tends to get him injury a lot. That's the way most power forwards go I guess. Not because he's injury prone.. just the way he plays. Bertuzzi plays such a vital part to the Canucks game I just cann't see him being traded.. His value is high.. but it only gets higher because the Canucks need him so badly..Just like Cooke's team value is higher than his actual nhl value.
cyrisweb 05-26-2004, 08:32 AM Anyway while I'm on this note.. The guy I was interested in was Rob Niedermayer.
Why does he have such a hard name to spell. :cry: I had to look it up ;)
He would definately help the Canucks centre ice depth on the 3rd line. Plus he has shown some great chemistry with Matt Cooke and I would love to reunite the two.
I get the feeling from the boards though that Niedermayer is the kind of guy who's value to his actual team is probably higher than his actuall nhl value.
Question is will he be qualified? as he is rather expensive at 2 mill+
Would he be on the block?
My original suggestion would be something like
to the Ducks:
Ruutu or May and the defensive prospect Koltsov
to the Canucks Niedermayer, 4th round draft pick.
At this point Koltsov=Niedermayer
and Ruutu=4th
I think it's fair value wise.. but would the Ducks bite... Either one of Ruutu or May bring everything you've all been talking about. A 3rd line tough gritty warrior. May is known as a solid leader. Both can pop in a few goals and Ruutu has turned into a great defensive forward. Koltsov meanwhile is a good young prospect one of the Canucks best. Has the potential to be a solid #2-#3 dman. An offensive guy who live to play a tough hard hitting game although he's on the small side of things.
Kevin Forbes 05-26-2004, 11:14 AM he will be qualified
and I'm not sure what to think of the proposal
Niedermayer is one of the only players who can play in our top 6 with size
I somewhat agree, but with as badly as everyone played I think the team should atleast give Nick the opportunity to earn his spot back...if he loses it his spot will go to Popovic.
If we are going to add a defensemen who else is going to be out?
I would like to see:
1. Carney
2. Ozolinsh
3. Salei
4. Skoula
5. Vishnevski
6. New vet -- a gritty guy thats won before
7. Popovic -- he still needs to earn ice time
I get the feeling from the boards though that Niedermayer is the kind of guy who's value to his actual team is probably higher than his actuall nhl value.
Question is will he be qualified? as he is rather expensive at 2 mill+
1.8mm was the average salary last year and I'd say Rob is better than just an average player.
to the Ducks:
Ruutu or May and the defensive prospect Koltsov
to the Canucks Niedermayer, 4th round draft pick.
At this point Koltsov=Niedermayer
and Ruutu=4th
The Ducks definately wouldn't bite, I don't think, because I can't see Murray parting with Niedermayer.
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