Duck fans want any Islanders?

Theres an article out saying Milbury will definitely move a handful of players to get the chemistry going. He didnt point out players, but what players would you fans want on our duck team?

I think the players most likely gone are Parrish (because of the rumors heard earlier this season), Kvasha(underachieved since he was acquired), Hamrlik (i wouldnt mind him on the team, but him cowarding and forcing the injured Scratchard to fight Simon lost my respect).

Id definitely would like Asham whos tough and an awesome 3rd liner- poor man's Morrow. Scratchard isnt going anywhere as is Yashin since hes NY's only real offensive force. Maybe Peca can be had since he really hasnt shined as was hoped (his 4.5 mill almost matches Ozo's 5.5 million and Sandis can replace Hammer is he is traded). I'd like Ninnima and Cairns but I doubt they will be traded.

I think Peca would be a solid 2nd liner and rid the ducks reliance on Rucchin, and Ninnima would be a nicer fit over Ozo.

Would Prospal + Ozo + Macdonald be enough for Peca + Ninnima? This and another trade like for Erksine or Belak using Gerber as bate would be all the ducks really need for this offseason with Leclerc rested up (hopefully :shakehead )

Gerber + Smirnov = Stajan/Antropov + Belak?
Havelid = Erskine?

I know Im dreaming, but are these out of reach?

Intersted in Hamrlik. I have my doubts about Peca.

I think most would agree we need a two defenseman on our blue line...

I don't think Skoula and Halvelid quite fit the bill, so if we could get a top notch guy like Hammerlik I think the ducks would have interest.

We're better off keeping Prospal and Ozo, and McDonald over Peca and Niinimaa. Niinimaa could be acquired for less, IMO.

I'd like to take a swing at the Hammer or Niinimaa. Either one I'd think wouldn't cost too much to get(Salei+2005 second rounder I'd say could get one of them), and either could really help.

Gerber and Smirnov shouldn't get us Stajan, but there's always a possibility of JFJ getting high. If JFJ doesn't like Tomas Kaberle, I'd like to get him while he's cheap, hoping that he could possibly turn his game around under Babcock a la Ozolinsh and Skoula so far. If he stays as soft as a teddy bear, he can always be traded, or paired with Carney or Vish or whoever.

If Havelid got us Erskine, I'd be loving it for months. But I don't think either GM would do it, in case one of the two thrived in the other city, and they are division rivals.

I don't think we should associate with the Isles. First of all, I think Ozo's one of those "Core" players that Murray was talking about, late season. Hamrlik is OK, but he'll have to fit that defensive defenseman role if the Ducks want to thrive. Havelid for Erskine is just a basic rip off. Havelid's a solid point-man when Ozo was injured. Erskine's still young. Prospal and Mac for Peca and a DP is good.

Would Prospal + Ozo + Macdonald be enough for Peca + Ninnima?

Milbury would kiss you. Overpaying IMO. We are full of two way forwards but we lack in pure scorer (other than Sykora and Feds...)

I'd like to take a swing at the Hammer or Niinimaa. Either one I'd think wouldn't cost too much to get(Salei+2005 second rounder I'd say could get one of them), and either could really help.

Again way too much for Niniima. He's been incosistent with the Isles and produced less than while with the Oilers.
I don't think he would cost us a lot. What about Schasta + 3rd rounder (or a 2nd at best) in 2005?

I think Skoula can make a comeback. The guy can be physical and hes the biggest dman on the Ducks right now. Hes probably the best skater and if the ducks can turn around Oleg Tverdosky then they can turn Skoula into a very capable top 2 dman who can score 10g 25a, and play the body.

Ozo is good and hes strong on the puck, but man, i dont know if you feel the same as i do... but i feel uncomfortable when hes out there. He doest play the body too well (his angles are usually off) and he looks clumsy or unaware. But hes still a strong, fast, offensive force but at 32 hes on the decline. (and overpaid)

I dont think Havelid would be too big of a deal, Dallas needs more speed on and offense on the Dline with only Zubov there, and Daley too inexperience at 20yrs old. Erksine has been replaced with Theiren and either Vagner or Nickerson is being groomed to step in on an aging Dallas team. (Otherwise maybe they can get Belak)

I like Ninnama, the guy is a physical 2 way player, sure i see him make bonehead plays, but hes very well rounded, and with Skoula and him on D the ducks have 2 guys who can score close to 9-10 goals (and hopeful Vish can get more offensive too). That way Carney can get his usual 4, Salei 5-6, and Erksine 1-2.... but the 3 can play that physical side that they need and let Vish develop on the puck more.

I've always liked Kvasha. Skill, size maybe Babcock can kick his a$$?

Aucoin is the only moveable player on that team I would want.

I highly doubt they would trade Aucoin, hes just too valuable of a player for them. Hes logs a ton of ice time and has 2 way ability.

Theres an article out saying Milbury will definitely move a handful of players to get the chemistry going. He didnt point out players, but what players would you fans want on our duck team?

I think the players most likely gone are Parrish (because of the rumors heard earlier this season), Kvasha(underachieved since he was acquired), Hamrlik (i wouldnt mind him on the team, but him cowarding and forcing the injured Scratchard to fight Simon lost my respect).

Id definitely would like Asham whos tough and an awesome 3rd liner- poor man's Morrow. Scratchard isnt going anywhere as is Yashin since hes NY's only real offensive force. Maybe Peca can be had since he really hasnt shined as was hoped (his 4.5 mill almost matches Ozo's 5.5 million and Sandis can replace Hammer is he is traded). I'd like Ninnima and Cairns but I doubt they will be traded.

I think Peca would be a solid 2nd liner and rid the ducks reliance on Rucchin, and Ninnima would be a nicer fit over Ozo.

Would Prospal + Ozo + Macdonald be enough for Peca + Ninnima? This and another trade like for Erksine or Belak using Gerber as bate would be all the ducks really need for this offseason with Leclerc rested up (hopefully :shakehead )

Gerber + Smirnov = Stajan/Antropov + Belak?
Havelid = Erskine?

I know Im dreaming, but are these out of reach?

this is my 3rd time trying to post,but I'll try again.


The press said the isles want to move 2-3 players.Not a handful of players.

looking at the players you're offering up:Ozo makes too much $ and the Isles have 3-4 quality 3rd liners, plus several cheap young prospects who'll need icetime next season,so I don't see any interest at all in Macdonald.Prospal :dunno:



25 yr old Kvasha's coming off a career high 51 pts,making under about $800,000.He's too laidback to be a lockerroom problem.Unlikely he'll be dealt.

I'd guess Hamrlik's availabilty would depend on if the team's making any progress on his extension talks.

Asham only 24 and making under $500,000.He's not going anywhere.

Niinimaa's the youngest and cheapest of the top 4.The only way he is the d-man who's dealt, is if the team feels he's unhappy and asks out.

Cairns may be a ufa.He's listed as an rfa,but someone said he's got an option which will let him walk.

I could see the isles moving Parrish and going with the younger,cheaper rws Hunter,Asham and Weinhandl.

I could see the isles moving Parrish and going with the younger,cheaper rws Hunter,Asham and Weinhandl.

That is also who I think the ducks would be interested in, I think he scores most of his goals in and around the paint, which we need. Are the isles looking for players in return or would picks/prospects due it.

I'm thinking Parrish and Roman will be going for sure, maybe Garth as well...

If what is said about Cairns is true, I would hope the ducks really go after him. Even if he played poorly in the playoffs, he can really add something the ducks are lacking.

I dont think the team needs another guy like Parrish, he makes too much and is too small still. Id rather go for someone like Turner Stevenson for Leclerc Insurance.

That is also who I think the ducks would be interested in, I think he scores most of his goals in and around the paint, which we need. Are the isles looking for players in return or would picks/prospects due it.



I've no idea if they'd accept players or picks/prospects.I'd guess it would depend on if the nixed FL deal(rumored to be Huselius for Parrish), could be revisited and how crowded the trade market for gritty forwards turns out to be.

I guess we'll start to read some rumors draft weekend.

Come over to the nyi board and post your proposals to get more feedback,but keep in mind that centers the Isles deepest position,they want their cheap kids on the open 3rd/4th line spots and they won't be looking for more offensive d-men.

First of all, I can count on one hand the number of times BLUELINES has been accurate about the Isles situation over the years. That isn't saying I don't think some vets will be gone - I do. But, they kind of mass movement you guys are speculating about isn't going to happen. And, relying on Bluelines as a source for information about the Isles is not going to get you very far.

They will likely move a dman, if they can't straighten out the situation with Aucoin and Hamrlik. Assuming one of those two gets moved (which, again, is not a sure thing), I would't be shocked to see Parrish moved in a deal for a vet dman, given the emergence of Hunter and Weinhandl. I think the general trend will be for the Isles to try and get cheaper, more gritty, and younger on the blueline.

I do think Snow will be moved, but I also think that is far from a certainty.

As for the Duck players you guys mention here, few would be of any real interest. Players like Prospal, Ozo, and Macdonald wouldn't get your the time of day. None are going to be Islanders in the fall - I think we can be confident of that. And, the Schasta + 3rd rounder deal is (quite frankly) laughable.

If the Isles do try to move Hamrlik, I don't think Ducksflytogether's proposal of Salei and a 2nd rounder is really far off. Isles need to get more gritty, younger, and cheaper, and Salei fills all those criteria.

Janne N, who the Ducks are not going to get, is another story. He is the youngest and cheapest Islander top four guy. He did have an off year, but is being counted on to lead the defense if Hamrlik or Aucoin gets moved.

As for Cairns, also a player mentioned in this thread, I feel confident that he will be gone. The Isles will likely not qualify him, and he'll be available as an UFA.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Isles unloaded Bates or Czerkawski as well. Probably, both will simply be cut loose.

All in all, I see little real chance of an Islander/Duck deal. But, anything can happen, as always.

I don't want Niinamma or Cairns, one is Todd Simpson version two, the other is another enigmatic player which this team doesn't need.

I don't want Niinamma or Cairns, one is Todd Simpson version two, the other is another enigmatic player which this team doesn't need.


Actually, Cairns is probably not even as good as Simpson. Simpson, in his day, was a fairly steady dman.

As for Niinamma, I wouldn't worry too much about it. The Ducks aren't getting him.

And, the Schasta + 3rd rounder deal is (quite frankly) laughable.


Also Linden for McCabe and Bertuzzi was laughable, and many others...

Also Linden for McCabe and Bertuzzi was laughable, and many others...

McCabe wasn't nearly the force he is now, and Bertuzzi looked like he'd be a bust. Linden also was a very steardy defensive player at the time. The trade was good at the time, but Bertuzzi and McCabe turned out awesome. Like the old expression goes, Hindsight is 20/20.

The only real dumb thing that Mad Mike's done has been the DiPietro thing. Its arguable that he thought DiPietro would be better than Luongo, and that Kvasha and Parrish could produce more than Jokinen(also looking like a bust) and Heatley. But, it was safer to take Heatley and keep Roberto, so it was a bad move, at the time and right now, too.

Also Linden for McCabe and Bertuzzi was laughable, and many others...



This is the same weak logic that we see here at Hockeysfuture over and over again. "I'll propose a ridiculous one-sided deal ... and when I get called on it - I'll just point out that the Isles GM is Mad Mike and Mad Mike and has made bad deals in the past....".

Yeah, you're right. The McCabe deal was brutal. But, you're still not getting a top four defensemen for that package, and I suspect you already know that full well.

McCabe wasn't nearly the force he is now, and Bertuzzi looked like he'd be a bust. Linden also was a very steardy defensive player at the time. The trade was good at the time, but Bertuzzi and McCabe turned out awesome. Like the old expression goes, Hindsight is 20/20.

The only real dumb thing that Mad Mike's done has been the DiPietro thing. Its arguable that he thought DiPietro would be better than Luongo, and that Kvasha and Parrish could produce more than Jokinen(also looking like a bust) and Heatley. But, it was safer to take Heatley and keep Roberto, so it was a bad move, at the time and right now, too.


You're being a little too generous to the Isles GM. The Linden deal was a brutal senseless deal even at the time. Linden had come off two weak seasons in a row and his trade value was way down. Bertuzzi and McCabe were both struggling at the time, but giving up young players for a forward who was obviously in decline didn't make a whole lot of sense.

The Luongo deal was horrible too, as were the Berard deal, etc. There is no getting around it. Our GM has made one bad trade after another.

Of course, that doesn't make Schasta + 3rd rounder for Janne N any more reasonable, but that is besides the point.

McCabe wasn't nearly the force he is now, and Bertuzzi looked like he'd be a bust. Linden also was a very steardy defensive player at the time. The trade was good at the time, but Bertuzzi and McCabe turned out awesome. Like the old expression goes, Hindsight is 20/20.

The only real dumb thing that Mad Mike's done has been the DiPietro thing. Its arguable that he thought DiPietro would be better than Luongo, and that Kvasha and Parrish could produce more than Jokinen(also looking like a bust) and Heatley. But, it was safer to take Heatley and keep Roberto, so it was a bad move, at the time and right now, too.
At this point Jokinen doesn't look to be any better than Parrish and i'm betting by the time DiPietro is 24(if he gets his ego in check) he will become a really good goalie.

At this point Jokinen doesn't look to be any better than Parrish and i'm betting by the time DiPietro is 24(if he gets his ego in check) he will become a really good goalie.


This is getting completely OT. Jokinen may not be better than Parrish, but Dipietro will have a long way to go to match Luongo's level, and Kvasha will NEVER be the equal of Heatley or Gaborik. There is no way the Isles will come out even on this deal.

I gotta agree with Darth, most of these proposals don't make much sense. Blah Blah, Milbury made some bad trades...so did Murray when he was in Florida...

This is getting completely OT. Jokinen may not be better than Parrish, but Dipietro will have a long way to go to match Luongo's level, and Kvasha will NEVER be the equal of Heatley or Gaborik. There is no way the Isles will come out even on this deal.
Im not really up to date on this "heatley/Gaborik" thing did Milbury trade a pick to take Kvasha when he could have had one of those two?

As for DiPietro I don't think he will be as good as Luongo but I still think he's going to be a really good goaltender.

Im not really up to date on this "heatley/Gaborik" thing did Milbury trade a pick to take Kvasha when he could have had one of those two?

As for DiPietro I don't think he will be as good as Luongo but I still think he's going to be a really good goaltender.


He traded Luongo and Olli J for Parrish and Kvasha.
Then, he drafted Dipietro with the first pick overall. The Isles scouts had Gaborik rated first in the draft, and probably would have taken him. So, the Isles basically passed up Gaborik and Heatley to take Dipetro.

The end result was instead of having Luongo, Olli, and Gaborik, the Isles have Dipietro, Parrish, and Kvasha.

Nice.

He traded Luongo and Olli J for Parrish and Kvasha.
Then, he drafted Dipietro with the first pick overall. The Isles scouts had Gaborik rated first in the draft, and probably would have taken him. So, the Isles basically passed up Gaborik and Heatley to take Dipetro.

The end result was instead of having Luongo, Olli, and Gaborik, the Isles have Dipietro, Parrish, and Kvasha.
Thanks for explaining that, I knew that Gaborik/Heatley/Dipietro were taken in the same draft, I thought there was some rumored trade or something along those lines.

I highly doubt they would trade Aucoin, hes just too valuable of a player for them. Hes logs a ton of ice time and has 2 way ability.

Well... There are times where one of your MVP players just had to go because of salary. Just ask Mr. Loyalty.

Well... There are times where one of your MVP players just had to go because of salary. Just ask Mr. Loyalty.

Sort of, but not necessarily, it's more of a whole unit thing, compared to just one player.
Aucoin makes 3.25 million, which is good for what he brings. The problem is Hamrlik makes 3.6 million, Jonsson makes 3 million and Niinimaa makes 2.9 million.
And they are all Restricted Free Agents this off-season.
The Islanders don't seem to be willing to dish out the cash to keep all of them. All four have their positives and minuses, but I would say at least two of them won't be Islanders when the regular season starts up again.

Sort of, but not necessarily, it's more of a whole unit thing, compared to just one player.
Aucoin makes 3.25 million, which is good for what he brings. The problem is Hamrlik makes 3.6 million, Jonsson makes 3 million and Niinimaa makes 2.9 million.
And they are all Restricted Free Agents this off-season.
The Islanders don't seem to be willing to dish out the cash to keep all of them. All four have their positives and minuses, but I would say at least two of them won't be Islanders when the regular season starts up again.

That's a little strong, Foresby.

First of all, Kenny J. is not a free agent. Janne N is a free agent, but he won't be eligable for UFA status for a few years.

The real problem the Isles are facing is that both Hamrlik and Aucoin will likely see arbitration this summer, and both could get awards in the range of 4 million.

Hamrlik has approached the Isles for a longterm deal though, and seems willing to sign at a reasonable level. Its not clear what is going to happen with Aucoin, although the upcoming CBA gives the Isles some room to bargin.

I think it is possible is that one of the four will be moved unless a reasonable deal can be worked out with one of Aucoin or Hamrlik. But, that is far from a certainty.

I'm also not sure where you got the impression that the Isles aren't willing to dish out the cash. I read every word published about the team, and follow them quite closely. I haven't seen one bit of evidence supporting that conclusion, although there has been plenty of speculation in that regard here at Hf.com.

The type of Islander we really need is Denis Potvin.

Oh wait, I forgot ... Potvin sucks!

That's a little strong, Foresby.

First of all, Kenny J. is not a free agent. Janne N is a free agent, but he won't be eligable for UFA status for a few years.

The real problem the Isles are facing is that both Hamrlik and Aucoin will likely see arbitration this summer, and both could get awards in the range of 4 million.

Hamrlik has approached the Isles for a longterm deal though, and seems willing to sign at a reasonable level. Its not clear what is going to happen with Aucoin, although the upcoming CBA gives the Isles some room to bargin.

I think it is possible is that one of the four will be moved unless a reasonable deal can be worked out with one of Aucoin or Hamrlik. But, that is far from a certainty.

I'm also not sure where you got the impression that the Isles aren't willing to dish out the cash. I read every word published about the team, and follow them quite closely. I haven't seen one bit of evidence supporting that conclusion, although there has been plenty of speculation in that regard here at Hf.com.

I was just going by speculation that I read here on HF.com and defer to you, because as you said, you followed the situation a lot closer then myself. What I wrote is how I understood the situation.
I was going by this site (http://www.geocities.com/floridapanthers2000/free2004.html) about the contract statuses, obviously they are in error about Kenny J.

I was just going by speculation that I read here on HF.com and defer to you, because as you said, you followed the situation a lot closer then myself. What I wrote is how I understood the situation.
I was going by this site (http://www.geocities.com/floridapanthers2000/free2004.html) about the contract statuses, obviously they are in error about Kenny J.


My understanding is that Kenny is signed through next summer. But, I can check.

Edit: he signed a two-year deal in the summer of 2003. So, he should be an Islander at least until next summer.

The speculation here at HF MAY turn out to be true. It is really hard to say. I hope they make a real effort to resign everybody, but the world will be a different place after the CBA. They COULD very well move two dmen, but we really don't know how things will shape out yet.

My personal feeling is that it is unlikely that they move more than one guy, but I also think is unlikely that the whole unit stays intact.

I guess we'll see....

I was just going by speculation that I read here on HF.com and defer to you, because as you said, you followed the situation a lot closer then myself. What I wrote is how I understood the situation.
I was going by this site (http://www.geocities.com/floridapanthers2000/free2004.html) about the contract statuses, obviously they are in error about Kenny J.



If we follow the fantasy speculation on hf,then the isles will not be making qualifying offers for Hamrlik,Niinimaa or Aucoin and they'll be moving Peca for an 8th rounder :lol:



I wouldn't be surprised to see the isles lockup either Aucoin or Hamrlik in a 3-4 yr extension,then trade the other.

Milbury's said a few times over the last few yrs that Jonsson the isles best defender.

And Niinimaa makes more then the league average,so he's not getting a big raise,if he gets any raise.