Swaping Chistov for Hainsey and Hossa?

FF de Mars
05-18-2004, 02:29 PM
Hi, I posted this on the prospect board but I was curious to know what ducks fans though of this, considering Chistov's deceiving development:

Could a swap of prospects be possible between Montréal and Anaheim? Montréal has two underachieving prospect in a similar situation than Chistov : Marcel Hossa and Ron Hainsey, and, like Chistov, both were once considered blue chippers but have regressed. I'm not familiar with Anaheim's situation, but I know that Montréal has a whole on the second line alongside Ribs and Ryder which Chistov, if he wakes up, could fill. Could a deal be centered around Chistov, Hossa, and Hainsey? I'm not sure what would be fair, and what Anaheim needs, but a change of scenery could do wonders for all those young and still promising players. Any thoughs?

Kick Save
05-18-2004, 02:33 PM
Since I'm the guy who is inclined to trade Chistov, I felt I should respond. I know that both Hossa and Hainsey were highly regarded at one time, but I don't know a lot about either of them. Could you provide us with their respective age, height and weight figures? Tell us a little bit about Hainsey's game. Is Hossa capitalizing on his brother's name or he is a genuine talent?

If Anaheim added something to the mix, would you consider moving Komisarek?

FF de Mars
05-18-2004, 02:43 PM
Both Hainsey and Hossa were first round picks. Both have shown inconsistent play in the NHL, for exemple Hossa scored 5 goals in his first 5 games then ziltch for 25 games...

Hossa is bigger than his brother, and he plays a 2 way game. Here is what HF has to say about him: Hossa has great balance, which he combines with his deceptive speed to beat opposing players one-on-one. He has a quick release, although he's a better passer than he is a finisher.
He must increase his consistency in order to take his game to the next level. He's hard on himself, and has a strong desire to succeed. His game often improves with a higher level of competition. Here is the link: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect.php?pid=1052

Ron Hainsey is 6-2 211 lbs, according to HF. Here is the link: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect.php?pid=1430

Basically we hoped he would develop into a top defencemen who can play offence and defence. But, HF will do a better job at describing his play. Here is what they say about his talent: Hainsey is a puck-moving defenseman, with solid skating, good lateral movement, and a quick, smooth stride. He has great vision, and hockey sense. Hainsey's quick-low shot, and effective one-timer make him a valuable power-play specialist. He works hard off-ice and has been able to bulk up significantly since draft day 2000.


As for Komisarek, he is highly viewed by the organization and has developed since last season and played very well for the few games he played, especially during the playoffs. I doubt the organization would swap him for another prospect.

cheesymc
05-18-2004, 03:22 PM
I'm not sure because I havent seen Hossa play. Obviously I would make the trade if I had thought Hainsley and Hossa would be able to develop. Just because he is the brother means he has similar abilities.... just look at the Kariyas, or federovs....
(except for the Sedins and Niedermeyers.... some things like skating abilities might be similar since they probably had the same training and focuses)

Ive seen Hainsley play, but Im not overly impressed. Hes is extremely soft and not tough on the defensive side. He needs more strength or aggressiveness to play better along the boards and in front of the net. His offense seems ok, but not elite yet. He a good skater and is young enough to get better though. He might be like a Tom Poti or something...

Chistov can probably be at best a 25 goal scorer, but his strengths are stickhandling and creating plays for others. Hes not explosive since he really has put on more weight. Hes feisty like a Koruluk (that guy on SJ) and hes competetive, and actually likes to hit. I think hes still has great potential especially since his 20 or 21 yrs.

Spankatola Jamnuts
05-18-2004, 03:25 PM
Sounds like we'd just be doubling our problems. If we're going to move an asset like Chistov I'd like it to be for help on the roster right now.

McDonald19
05-18-2004, 09:25 PM
still too much upside with Chistov to move him for those two (not denying Hossa or Hainseys upside)...

if you want to talk about a trade centering around Komisarek for Chistov then Bryan Murray would be more interested.

sparkplug
05-18-2004, 11:25 PM
Hossa's just as big a questionmark as Chistov if not greater.

Markus078
05-19-2004, 04:30 AM
i would do this immediatly. the ducks don't have a real good prospect at defense beside popovic. hossa btw can be as good as chistov. so the plus would be hainsey!!!!

McDonald19
05-19-2004, 08:43 AM
i would do this immediatly. the ducks don't have a real good prospect at defense beside popovic. hossa btw can be as good as chistov. so the plus would be hainsey!!!!

I agree it would be nice to add another quality defensive prospect...but as far as your second statement I think Chistov still has more offensive upside than Hossa...so its a difficult trade to make in my opinion.

cheesymc
05-19-2004, 11:58 AM
We have all seen Chistov's skill in the NHL and everyone can say he has alot of skill in his game. We also know that he sometimes lack confidence and have been frustrated by his lack of production this yr.

Hossa hasnt really dont much so his value cant be on par with Chistov. The only ways is if the scouts measure him.

I also think the ducks need some defensmen but Im not sure if going to younger players like Hainsley would help. Most teams either have a good team defense or good veteran dmen. Im not sure if the ducks would want to get younger and more turnover prone (but Id rather have hainsley than Havelid)

hockeyGod
05-19-2004, 01:02 PM
I wouldnt do Chistov for anything less than Komisarik

cheesymc
05-19-2004, 08:52 PM
I have only seen Komisarek play only a handful of games but he doesnt seem that great. I dont think hes as physical as he can be, but hes a an above average skater especially at his size. He can handle the puck and shoot alright, but he doesnt stand out IMO. Maybe he might break out in a few yrs, but I wouldnt do Komisarek for Chistov straight up.

Randall Graves*
05-20-2004, 03:48 AM
Chistov has too much potential to settle for a headcase(Hainsey) and a seemingly unmotivated player(Hossa)

wilka91*
05-22-2004, 08:59 AM
Chistov stays right were he is!
He's had an awful season, but that happens. He should break out next season just like Frolov did this year.

Takkie
05-22-2004, 10:10 AM
if i was a ducks fan, i'd stay far away from this, Hainsey has shown almost nothing and hossa has more bust potential than Chistov.