Comment from a Habs fan...

Brad Richards has just become one of my favorite players, and Team Canada would be crazy for not taking this guy on the team next August...he's so good, I was extremely impressed by Richards, just wanted to let you guys know you have a special player that not much people talk about...

P.S.-My favorite player on the Habs is Andrei Markov...i'd like to know your opinion of him, what did you think of his play?

P.S.-My favorite player on the Habs is Andrei Markov...i'd like to know your opinion of him, what did you think of his play?

He has a promising career with the Canadian Shakesperean Acting Troupe ahead of him.

-Pete Choquette

He has a promising career with the Canadian Shakesperean Acting Troupe ahead of him.

-Pete Choquette

Thanks for proving how much you know about hockey and evaluating players....nothing....if I wanted an ignorant answer I would of started an ingorant thread...back to the habs board, thanks!

Ignorant answer? No, it was an honest one. I was highly disappointed with the soccer style play acting by Markov every time he got touched. The way he played up Andre Roy's elbowing call in Game 3 you'd have thought he was dead... only to perk up on the bench, have a giggle with the Habs trainer, and hop back out not missing a shift.

I don't know why you expect me or any other hockey fan to respect that kind of behavior. He's a talented player, but I wouldn't want him on my team until he develops enough character to play the game the right way.

-Pete Choquette

Ignorant answer? No, it was an honest one.

Honestly, it takes a lot more than that to become a Shakespearean actor. (I presume you mean not just an extra on the set). If he's actually expected to say some lines, he will need some work on his accent and his English vocabulary, in addition to his projection (he's quite soft-spoken). So if that was really an honest answer, I think it was a relatively ill-informed one.

:mad: I hate it when guys like you think you can blithely disrespect Canadian cultural talent like that. The Canadian Shakespearean Acting Troupe is well-trained, world-class, and highly respected in the global arts community. It takes years of hard work, dedication and talent to become a member. Markov doesn't stand a chance.
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I'd have to agree with Pete, his possum routine overshadowed anything else he may have done. It's hard to notice someone's positive contributions when they pull stuff like that, sorry. He does get credit for irritating Lecavalier like no one else I've seen recently, I thought Vinny would really blow a fuse a few times. :)

BG: That was great! :lol

back to the habs board, thanks!

Bye? :dunno:

Ignorant answer? No, it was an honest one. I was highly disappointed with the soccer style play acting by Markov every time he got touched. The way he played up Andre Roy's elbowing call in Game 3 you'd have thought he was dead... only to perk up on the bench, have a giggle with the Habs trainer, and hop back out not missing a shift.

I don't know why you expect me or any other hockey fan to respect that kind of behavior. He's a talented player, but I wouldn't want him on my team until he develops enough character to play the game the right way.

-Pete Choquette

The thing is, because Ribeiro made that stupid act when he got injured, it's becoming the popular thing to say the Habs are faking/diving whevener one is laying on the ice, whether or not he's actually hurt, because of Ribeiro, every player on the habs is now labelled a diver/faker, it's stupid if you ask me, that was a blatant elbow to the head by Andre Roy, and if you can't see that, then I don't know what to say... :dunno: ...did it ever occur to you that he might of been stunned and was dizzy for a bit that's why he was on the ice? and then when he got back to the bench he was fine, it happens very often througout all the teams in the NHL, heck I even saw St-Louis add a little mustard when he was being hooked...the reason for my thread was to give credit to 2 guys who have immense talent, Markov & Richards, but who don't get a whole lot of press...

Does Lecavalier ever despise Markov or what, he had the same effect on Joe Thornton vs. Boston, he knows how to get under the skin of opposing players

Bye? :dunno:

later...i'm really not one of those guys who goes around on other boards to start ****, I just wanted to give respect to one of the games most underrated players and I wanted to know this boards opinion on another of one of the league's best kept secrets, that all...tough crowd over here, you'd think a the bolts just got swept! :(

Anyways, good luck the rest of the way, i'll be cheering for the bolts'

Does Lecavalier ever despise Markov or what, he had the same effect on Joe Thornton vs. Boston, he knows how to get under the skin of opposing players

Yeah but judging from Lecavaliers goal and point totals in the series he might need to work a little harder on stopping them. ;)

Markov is a very talented young defenseman and should be a force on the power play for years to come.

To an outsider, I'm sure it probably seems like we're overreacting to Markov's acting. By way of an explanation, let me say that most of us here on the Bolts board have long been thoroughly disgusted by all the diving/faking stuff that's going on in today's NHL, and we've discussed it many times over, always reaching the same conclusion: It's despicable. So forgive us if we react a bit negatively when you bring up a player who's engaged in that sort of thing. With all due respect, even your own hometown papers have pointed out that Markov made a habit during the playoffs of "embellishing" a bit. It's not just us.

For the record, when he just plays hockey, I like him a lot.

i'm not a fan of either team, but i did watch the series (along with the Boston-Montréal one in the first round) and Markov dove on MANY occasions. It was quite embarrassing.

I'm not commenting on his play, because he's a good promising guy, but the coach or his teammates could do well by telling him to stop diving.

Diving has been around for as long as I can remember, it's not pc to say so but it intensified around the time there was a European influx into the league. Euro players,esp. this generation are as tough as anybody, but the diving has become epidemic. It isn't the softer players either, most tough guys have at one point dove or turtled to draw a penalty. Coach's who claim their team doesn't dive probably refer to it as helping the ref make a call. Markov, to me is strange, he competes hard, excels at one on one, ask Joe Thornton, they've gone at it for 3 years, but seems to, if i'm being kind, have a low pain threshold. I suspect his coach and teammates would prefer he stopped that stuff, but he plays well between the whistles when they keep score.I think that communication has been difficult for him and he's the type that needs a veteran presence that speaks his language. Ribeiro had a tough playoff, and was outshone by Richards, his rival from Jr. days. Richards was impressive, his speed has really improved over his rookie season. For all the criticism Ribeiro has gotten from his act in the Boston series, that's one incident. If you give up on a player that fast, call me to make trades. if Lecavalier could play every game in or against Mtl. he'd be the second best French Canadian #4 of all time. It's going to be fun watching him against a banger next series as you have to assume either team will play size against him. He obviously wouldn't be intimidated, but it'll be interesting to see if he gets frustrated. Looking forward to the next series, should be a nice style contrast.

The thing is, because Ribeiro made that stupid act when he got injured, it's becoming the popular thing to say the Habs are faking/diving whevener one is laying on the ice

Because it isn't just Ribeiro who did it. That's why when Modin landed on top of Zednik and he was really actually hurt, no one believed him. Classic case of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf".

that was a blatant elbow to the head by Andre Roy, and if you can't see that, then I don't know what to say...

I never said it wasn't, but Markov laid there on the ice for a full minute pretending like his skull had been fractured and he was seconds away from dying to try and draw a major out of it... only to have a nice little chuckle with the Habs trainer when he got back to the bench. He didn't miss a shift. He was fine.

Did Roy deserve 2 minutes in the box? Absolutely.

Was Markov actually hurt? Absolutely not.

did it ever occur to you that he might of been stunned and was dizzy for a bit that's why he was on the ice?

Considering that hasn't been the first time he's dived or played dead this playoffs, not for a second and Boston fans were telling me he was doing the exact same thing against them.

-Pete Choquette

Thing is, Markov ends up in the dressing room after shot blocks, then comes right back, there's no percentage there. So frankly, I don't know what goes on with him.
At a press conference this year, a reporter asked Julien if Markov was ok after stopping a shot, Julien just said something to the effect of 'I'm sure he is,he usually is.' If he played soft or backed up from the assignments he gets against tough forwards, i wouldn't defend him. I'd rather he personified this code of honour that seems to have been created, but what the heck, we need good defenceman. If he was declared a UFA tomorrow, I'm sure Feaster would look at him.

heck I even saw St-Louis add a little mustard when he was being hooked...

sigh

Diving has been around for as long as I can remember, it's not pc to say so but it intensified around the time there was a European influx into the league.

Well I guess the Lightning are the exception to the rule because they don't dive.

With the Canadians, it looks like its part of their system

If he was declared a UFA tomorrow, I'm sure Feaster would look at him.

Jay is one of the few GMs who values character so much that I'm not sure he would.

-Pete Choquette

Jay is one of the few GMs who values character so much that I'm not sure he would.

-Pete Choquette

I don't know that much about his character. If Feaster values it, I would suspect he learned from the example people like Bob Gainey have set since the day he was drafted. I sort of assume that if Gainey finds flaws in Markov's character, they will be dealt with. If there is a more commanding presence in the league I haven't seen it. I judge character by whether a player will take a hit to make a play,and play thru adversity, more than that I can't judge. In fact, playing thru adversity is one of the reasons that St.Louis is a great story. I'm not really defending Markov's antics as I'd prefer he got up and went to the bench. I'd be surprised if it wasn't an end of season discussion point. It's just not as easy cut and dried as it sounds. If I see no embellishments in the next series, I'll be the first to eat crow and admit it. Torteralla going public with his stance doesn't mean it never happens does it ? Ask Andre Roy or Dingman ?