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sushinsky4tsar 04-29-2004, 01:05 PM Sorry about adding another draft thread. I'm trying to do a board to board mock draft. Anaheim is up. Here's the results so far:
UPDATED DRAFT BOARD
1) Was Ovechkin (write-in)
2) Pit Malkin (write-in)
3) Chi Olesz 11-10-6 (Barker, Schremp)
4) Clm Barker (write-in)
5) Pho Tukonen 18-6-4-1-1 (Ladd, Schremp, Pineault, other)
6) Nyr Schremp 55-30-5-3-1-4 (Ladd, Wolski, Radulov, Schwarz, other)
7) Flo Ladd 12-7-7-2-1-1-1-3 (Radulov, Wolski, O'Neill, Thelen, Staff, Pic, o/)
8) Car Thelen 9-4-4-1-1-1-1 (Radulov, Wolski, Stafford, O'Neill, Picard, Pineault)
9) Ana *on the clock*
10)Atl
11)La
12)Min
13)Buf
14)Edm
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I'll give you til this time Monday. Obviously swapping picks is out of the equation on this kind of draft, so pick for the 9th. Thanks.
Kick Save 04-29-2004, 05:11 PM Sorry about adding another draft thread. I'm trying to do a board to board mock draft. Anaheim is up. Here's the results so far:
UPDATED DRAFT BOARD
1) Was Ovechkin (write-in)
2) Pit Malkin (write-in)
3) Chi Olesz 11-10-6 (Barker, Schremp)
4) Clm Barker (write-in)
5) Pho Tukonen 18-6-4-1-1 (Ladd, Schremp, Pineault, other)
6) Nyr Schremp 55-30-5-3-1-4 (Ladd, Wolski, Radulov, Schwarz, other)
7) Flo Ladd 12-7-7-2-1-1-1-3 (Radulov, Wolski, O'Neill, Thelen, Staff, Pic, o/)
8) Car Thelen 9-4-4-1-1-1-1 (Radulov, Wolski, Stafford, O'Neill, Picard, Pineault)
9) Ana *on the clock*
I think Stafford is the kind of the player the Ducks need, but if a talent like Radulov "slips" to #9, the Ducks should grab him.
Fighter 04-30-2004, 09:34 AM This is the "worst" scenario for the Ducks: Barker, Ladd, and Thelen gone.
I don't like Wolski, not sold on Stafford and Radulov so I would go with a big strong d-man (which is our current need).
O'Neill is my pick in this case.
This is the "worst" scenario for the Ducks: Barker, Ladd, and Thelen gone.
Unfortunately its also very likely.
I don't like Wolski, not sold on Stafford and Radulov so I would go with a big strong d-man (which is our current need). O'Neill is my pick in this case.
I agree 100%. The Ducks best move would be to drop down to 12-14, take O'Neill there, and get another 2nd.
The Ducks will ALWAYS need a big strong defenseman. I think its critical that we get one in this draft, but I don't see the need to reach at 9.
Pwnasaurus 04-30-2004, 04:52 PM Unfortunately its also very likely.
I agree 100%. The Ducks best move would be to drop down to 12-14, take O'Neill there, and get another 2nd.
The Ducks will ALWAYS need a big strong defenseman. I think its critical that we get one in this draft, but I don't see the need to reach at 9.
Agreed...although I would like to try and move up to 6-8 to grab Thelen...I agree that failing that I would prefer to drop down to a few spots to take O'Neill.
Fighter 04-30-2004, 05:23 PM If we move down in the draft I'm not that sure we can grab what we want. Atlanta need a d-man to pair up with Coburn, and also Minnesota or Buffalo could be interested in O'Neill (especially the Sabres).
IMO there's quite a gap between top 10 and top 15 talent, I would stay right there and pick what's the best available, get another 2nd rounder is not that important in THIS draft.
Randall Graves* 04-30-2004, 05:34 PM take the best player available which would be Schwarz.
McDonald19 04-30-2004, 06:17 PM If were drafting for a particular need within the organization then O'Neill is our guy.
Fighter 04-30-2004, 11:30 PM take the best player available which would be Schwarz.
I have Stafford, O'Neill, Green, Chipchura and Picard over him.
Bobby Ryan Getzlaf 05-01-2004, 12:43 AM take the best player available which would be Schwarz.
Yes, taking Marek Schwarz would be a great pick. We've got Jiggy, we've got Bryzgalov, but why not draft another starting goalie. That would be smart.
Now, sarcasm aside, not only would that a really dumb move, but he is definetely not the best player available.
If we move down in the draft I'm not that sure we can grab what we want. Atlanta need a d-man to pair up with Coburn, and also Minnesota or Buffalo could be interested in O'Neill (especially the Sabres).
That's a risk, sure. If I was "stuck" with Green at 15 because O'Neill was off the board I wouldn't be too disappointed. Smid and Valabik are also options... sure wish I knew who the Ducks scouts like.
IMO there's quite a gap between top 10 and top 15 talent, I would stay right there and pick what's the best available, get another 2nd rounder is not that important in THIS draft.
I just don't see any of the guys that will be taken 8-15 as can't miss prospects. Now would definately be a good time to gamble on moving down (or up for that matter).
Fighter 05-01-2004, 01:15 AM I just don't see any of the guys that will be taken 8-15 as can't miss prospects.
Even more we can say this for (another) second rounder. :dunno:
Even more we can say this for (another) second rounder. :dunno:
Your logic is that since they might take a bust they shouldn't get an extra high pick? Might as well trade away every pick we've got then.
Bobby Ryan Getzlaf 05-01-2004, 02:00 AM Trading down to get O'Neill is not an option IMO. I've got the feeling that Hotlanta wants to pick O'Neill with their pick. I think its just easier to pick him at #9.
Fighter 05-01-2004, 07:45 AM My thought exactly DTF.
Out of curiosity, who voted Chipchura? Interesting pick IMO, it looks like another Rucchin, more healthy hopefully.
Randall Graves* 05-01-2004, 05:03 PM Yes, taking Marek Schwarz would be a great pick. We've got Jiggy, we've got Bryzgalov, but why not draft another starting goalie. That would be smart.
Now, sarcasm aside, not only would that a really dumb move, but he is definetely not the best player available.
You can never have enough goaltending, if he's the best player available you take him. It would give us four goaltenders to work with, you can use one as a bargaining chip, still keep Gerber(or Bryz) and develop another goalie who has great potential. Gigueres got three years left on his deal and we may not want him when it's up.
Bobby Ryan Getzlaf 05-02-2004, 04:51 PM You can never have enough goaltending, if he's the best player available you take him. It would give us four goaltenders to work with, you can use one as a bargaining chip, still keep Gerber(or Bryz) and develop another goalie who has great potential. Gigueres got three years left on his deal and we may not want him when it's up.
You can have enough goaltending. When you have a good starter, one of the best backups in the NHL, AND, an up-and-coming goalie from the AHL, you don't draft a goalie. Not to mention, Schwarz isn't exactly the best player available at #9.
sushinsky4tsar 05-02-2004, 06:27 PM Perhaps, there's more pressing areas to address besides goalie for the Ducks. But I think you'll find some on these boards that would argue Schwarz might be the bpa at #9, at least if you're not in love w/ anyone that's up on the mock board. In the unlikely event that the draft goes through like this, and if the Ducks really aren't thrilled w/ the choices at #9, it wouldn't shock me to see a team trade up in front of LA to get first cracks at Schwarz. But obviously I said ignore trade possibilities.
Bobby Ryan Getzlaf 05-02-2004, 06:35 PM Perhaps, there's more pressing areas to address besides goalie for the Ducks. But I think you'll find some on these boards that would argue Schwarz might be the bpa at #9, at least if you're not in love w/ anyone that's up on the mock board. In the unlikely event that the draft goes through like this, and if the Ducks really aren't thrilled w/ the choices at #9, it wouldn't shock me to see a team trade up in front of LA to get first cracks at Schwarz. But obviously I said ignore trade possibilities.
Anaheim will give LA Schwarz the day Colorado trades Sakic to Detroit for Yzerman.
sushinsky4tsar 05-02-2004, 07:04 PM Agreed, I didn't mean LA would be the trading partner. I think LA is locked into #11 since some are saying they might like Montoya just as well. Perhaps Edmonton likes Schwarz enough to trade up from 14 though. The Ducks would still have a good shot at O'Neill or perhaps Green.
sushinsky4tsar 05-03-2004, 02:09 PM Okay, that's time. Anaheim board selects Wes O'Neill with the 9th selection. Thanks for voting.
Kick Save 05-03-2004, 02:44 PM Yes, taking Marek Schwarz would be a great pick. We've got Jiggy, we've got Bryzgalov, but why not draft another starting goalie. That would be smart.
Now, sarcasm aside, not only would that a really dumb move, but he is definetely not the best player available.
Your sarcasm notwithstanding, your analysis may come up a bit short. I don't know why everyone here seems so damn sure that Bryz is ready for the NHL. His performance in Cincinnatti's final two playoff games was somewhere between lacklustre and pitiful. The guy has shown that he has a temper and hasn't performed when the heat's on. I'm not sure he can cut it in the NHL.
Schwarz may not be the BPA at #9, but a lot of hockey pundits think he's top ten material. You can argue that he's not the BPA, but saying that the Ducks shouldn't draft a goalie---particularly in light of the fact that Bryz has bombed when it counts AND there is very little depth between the pipes in the organization---is short-sighted.
Bobby Ryan Getzlaf 05-03-2004, 04:42 PM Your sarcasm notwithstanding, your analysis may come up a bit short. I don't know why everyone here seems so damn sure that Bryz is ready for the NHL. His performance in Cincinnatti's final two playoff games was somewhere between lacklustre and pitiful. The guy has shown that he has a temper and hasn't performed when the heat's on. I'm not sure he can cut it in the NHL.
Schwarz may not be the BPA at #9, but a lot of hockey pundits think he's top ten material. You can argue that he's not the BPA, but saying that the Ducks shouldn't draft a goalie---particularly in light of the fact that Bryz has bombed when it counts AND there is very little depth between the pipes in the organization---is short-sighted.
Bryzgalov is a good up-and-coming goalie, not superman. Milwaukee's strong offense and Cincy's weak defense was leading to a blowout sooner or later.
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