Gerber a fit in NY?

Just was thinking about a move that might make sense:

Gerber and our #9 overall to the NYR for their #1 (6 overall) and their last pick in Round 2. Gerber would give them a nice bridge to Blackburn (if he ever gets healthy) and the upgraded 1st would give us a few more options as well as an additional good pick. Thoughts?

Just was thinking about a move that might make sense:

Gerber and our #9 overall to the NYR for their #1 (6 overall) and their last pick in Round 2. Gerber would give them a nice bridge to Blackburn (if he ever gets healthy) and the upgraded 1st would give us a few more options as well as an additional good pick. Thoughts?

I think NY would balk at this proposal. Moving up 3 spots can make sense but where it goes south is with them adding the late 2nd rounder. I don't think that would happen.

Maybe something like Gerber, our 1st rounder and a 5th round pick for Ny 1st and a 3rd or 4th round pick would be more realistic.

If we can Barker then do it. I think Bryzgalov is NHL ready and Gerber would be better suited going to a place where he could get a chance to win the starter job.

Just was thinking about a move that might make sense:

Gerber and our #9 overall to the NYR for their #1 (6 overall) and their last pick in Round 2. Gerber would give them a nice bridge to Blackburn (if he ever gets healthy) and the upgraded 1st would give us a few more options as well as an additional good pick. Thoughts?

What do they do with Dunham?

I think in terms of looking at playoff teams (ok it doesnt make that much sense, but the playoffs are on and these teams stand out as needing goaltending fixes) Vancouver and NYI work.

What do they do with Dunham?

I think in terms of looking at playoff teams (ok it doesnt make that much sense, but the playoffs are on and these teams stand out as needing goaltending fixes) Vancouver and NYI work.
The Islanders have their future (and present) starting goalie in DiPietro. I don't really see them trading for Gerber to potentially take the starting job from their #1 overall pick. Then again, it's Milbury, so anything is possible.

Vancouver...maybe but I would doubt that too. They have Cloutier...he's not great, but I don't really see Gerber as THAT much of an upgrade, since Cloutier has more experience. Vancouver is more a veteran team. I guess I could see them trading for another starter, but I don't think it will be Gerbs.

The possibilities that come to my mind are Toronto, maybe Ottawa (doubtful). The Kings would be a good fit, but a trade between the Ducks and Kings won't happen because of the potential PR liability if one team "wins" the trade.

I'd like to see Gerber dealt to T-O. Maybe with Havelid in a package for Coliacavo. That'd be stellar. Maybe a trade with St.Louis, but I don't know what they'd give up. I also wouldn't mind him going in a package, maybe still with Havelid, to Phoenix for Mike Comrie, as he's still one of my favorite players.

If we were to get Comrie for something like Gerber+Havelid and maybe a third or something, that'd be incredible. As we'd have Comrie, we'd have Perry, we'd have Thelen/O'Neil/Green and Comrie'd have his $2.5 million, all because we waited 6 months. Lowe would also be pretty pissed off that Comrie ended up in Anaheim.

Lowe would also be pretty pissed off that Comrie ended up in Anaheim.
I don't think Lowe would be pissed at all. But, it would be cool to see Comrie come to the Ducks.

I don't think Lowe would be pissed at all. But, it would be cool to see Comrie come to the Ducks.

Well, he didn't get his $2.5 million, and Comrie ended up in Anaheim for less than what Murray was going to pay. I'd be a little ticked at that.

And if Comrie came here, I could see him doing well. Comrie likes the organization, and putting him as 2nd line center, or first line left wing(if he'll play wing, and play it well) could boost offense.

Well, he didn't get his $2.5 million, and Comrie ended up in Anaheim for less than what Murray was going to pay. I'd be a little ticked at that.

And if Comrie came here, I could see him doing well. Comrie likes the organization, and putting him as 2nd line center, or first line left wing(if he'll play wing, and play it well) could boost offense.
It doesn't really matter if Lowe's pissed or not anyways. I think the fact that Comrie likes the organization is a key point. Players are motivated to play better when they like an organization or have some kind of emotional connection to it. Look at all the French Canadians who play for the Habs.

The Islanders have their future (and present) starting goalie in DiPietro. I don't really see them trading for Gerber to potentially take the starting job from their #1 overall pick. Then again, it's Milbury, so anything is possible.

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the 'it's Milbury' argument has been beaten to death.

TB,Hawk and Leaf fans kept using it to explain why the Isles would deal Hamrlik to their teams.

Leaf fans used it to explain why the isles would trade Peca to the Leafs.
Habs fans used it to explain why the isles would trade Peca to Montreal.

FL fans used that argument to explain why the Isles would trade Izzy,Scatchard,then later to FL.

Whether opposing fans think 22 yr old DiPietro's a #1 goalie,the Isles front office and players think he is.Isles won't give up anything of real value to aquire a backup goalie,who'll start 15-17 games.

Uh huh. As long as we can look around the league at Bertuzzi, Chara, Redden, Berard and Luongo, "it's Milbury" is going to be a valid comment. He's an impatient GM.

Uh huh. As long as we can look around the league at Bertuzzi, Chara, Redden, Berard and Luongo, "it's Milbury" is going to be a valid comment. He's an impatient GM.

He's a gm who does exactly as his owners tell him.

Wang wasn't the owner when Bert,Redden or Berard were traded.

Wang had an open checkbook and told MM to aquire tix draws and get into the playoffs 3-4 yrs ago,which is when MM traded Chara and Luongo.

Today Newsday and the Isles head scout(Feltrin), are saying Wang wants the cheap youngsters held onto and playing.

Unless Milbury buys the team from Wang and changes the team's mandate,then the Isles will be going with 22 yr old DiPietro as their #1.

and btw,Redden was dealt for Berard.

He's a gm who does exactly as his owners tell him.

Wang wasn't the owner when Bert,Redden or Berard were traded.

Wang had an open checkbook and told MM to aquire tix draws and get into the playoffs 3-4 yrs ago,which is when MM traded Chara and Luongo.

Today Newsday and the Isles head scout(Feltrin), are saying Wang wants the cheap youngsters held onto and playing.

Unless Milbury buys the team from Wang and changes the team's mandate,then the Isles will be going with 22 yr old DiPietro as their #1.

and btw,Redden was dealt for Berard.

Luongo was traded because they wanted DiPietro as their starter instead of Luongo, and tried to get something for him. He and Big Bert were traded because Milbury was impatient and was looking to start over with Ricky D. Speaking of DiPietro, I think success won't be attained untill he grows up and I don't think it helps to have him working as a starter. A season of 30 games would be good for him, IMO.

the 'it's Milbury' argument has been beaten to death.

TB,Hawk and Leaf fans kept using it to explain why the Isles would deal Hamrlik to their teams.

Leaf fans used it to explain why the isles would trade Peca to the Leafs.
Habs fans used it to explain why the isles would trade Peca to Montreal.

FL fans used that argument to explain why the Isles would trade Izzy,Scatchard,then later to FL.

Whether opposing fans think 22 yr old DiPietro's a #1 goalie,the Isles front office and players think he is.Isles won't give up anything of real value to aquire a backup goalie,who'll start 15-17 games.
It's been beaten to death and a cliche...but what is it people say?...it's a cliche for a reason. I doubt DiPietro would be traded, but Milbury has a history of trading top level players/prospects.

I'd like to see Gerber dealt to T-O. Maybe with Havelid in a package for Coliacavo. That'd be stellar. Maybe a trade with St.Louis, but I don't know what they'd give up. I also wouldn't mind him going in a package, maybe still with Havelid, to Phoenix for Mike Comrie, as he's still one of my favorite players.

If we were to get Comrie for something like Gerber+Havelid and maybe a third or something, that'd be incredible. As we'd have Comrie, we'd have Perry, we'd have Thelen/O'Neil/Green and Comrie'd have his $2.5 million, all because we waited 6 months. Lowe would also be pretty pissed off that Comrie ended up in Anaheim.
Why would Gerber and Havelid bring us Coliacovia or Comrie?If we don't want Havelid why would anybody else? Our best bet is keeping Havelid and hoping he bounces back because his trade value is next to nothing.

Vancouver...maybe but I would doubt that too. They have Cloutier...he's not great, but I don't really see Gerber as THAT much of an upgrade, since Cloutier has more experience. Vancouver is more a veteran team. I guess I could see them trading for another starter, but I don't think it will be Gerbs
Note that Vancouver will possibly be without Dan Cloutier and Johan Hedberg starting next season. That leaves only Alex Auld for the goaltending position in Vancouver. I think Gerber will fit well with the Canucks.

I like Gerber but the Canucks need to get someone more established. Seems like every year goaltending is a question mark for the Canucks heading into the playoffs.

The good thing about waiting until summer to move Gerbs is that a few teams inevitably have their goalie situation blow up in their face during the playoffs, and might make a deal they wouldn't have made in March. Ottawa may figure they need to do something after Lalime's meltdown, for example.

Problem is, who wants a non-established 30 year old goaltender?

Plus the market is saturated with goalies, so getting more than a 3rd for Gerber would be a steal. Hell I'm looking at Fernandez and saying getting a 3rd for him would be a steal.

Problem is, who wants a non-established 30 year old goaltender?

Plus the market is saturated with goalies, so getting more than a 3rd for Gerber would be a steal. Hell I'm looking at Fernandez and saying getting a 3rd for him would be a steal.
I see atleast 5 teams needing goaltenders for possible starting spots.

New York(Rangers)
Vancouver
Ottawa
LA
Phoenix

Theres probably more but I think the market for Gerber will be better than expected.

Luongo was traded because they wanted DiPietro as their starter instead of Luongo, and tried to get something for him. He and Big Bert were traded because Milbury was impatient and was looking to start over with Ricky D. Speaking of DiPietro, I think success won't be attained untill he grows up and I don't think it helps to have him working as a starter. A season of 30 games would be good for him, IMO.

Bert was dealt in Feb.1998.
DiPietro was drafted June 2000.
one move had nothing to do with the other.

and one of the few isle players, who's gotten props from both teammates and media for his 2003-04 reg. season and playoffs, is DiPietro.The kid needs to gain experience,not warm the bench.


anyway this is all moot.No word on nyi interest in Gerber.If I read/hear any differently,I'll post a link to a source.Duck fans feel free to come over to the nyi board if any Isles/Duck rumors pop up.

I'll still never understand why they traded Luongo before even giving him anytime to develop.

I see atleast 5 teams needing goaltenders for possible starting spots.

New York(Rangers)
Vancouver
Ottawa
LA
Phoenix

Theres probably more but I think the market for Gerber will be better than expected.

New York Rangers probably not with Lundqvist coming in and they are moving toward a youth movement, also they might retain Noodles or pick up a goalie on the market and not trade for one.

Vancouver yes but Gerber wouldn't be a good fit.

Ottawa probably but I'd see a Kolzig there or someone else...not Gerber.

LA probably but Anaheim won't trade with LA, that and they'll go out on the market to find one.

Phoenix probably not with David LeVaneau, Brent Johnson, Brian Boucher, and Zak Bierk, if they really need one, again on the market.

Vancouver yes but Gerber wouldn't be a good fit.


Why because he might be able to get them through a few rounds?

New York Rangers probably not with Lundqvist coming in and they are moving toward a youth movement, also they might retain Noodles or pick up a goalie on the market and not trade for one.

Vancouver yes but Gerber wouldn't be a good fit.

Ottawa probably but I'd see a Kolzig there or someone else...not Gerber.

LA probably but Anaheim won't trade with LA, that and they'll go out on the market to find one.

Phoenix probably not with David LeVaneau, Brent Johnson, Brian Boucher, and Zak Bierk, if they really need one, again on the market.

To me Vancouver and Ottawa would be perfect fits. Gerber is a vet. Has played in many world championships. Knows pressure, can clearly be a number 1 in the NHL and is inexpensive. I don't see how two canadien teams would not consider him.

Problem is, who wants a non-established 30 year old goaltender?

Plus the market is saturated with goalies, so getting more than a 3rd for Gerber would be a steal. Hell I'm looking at Fernandez and saying getting a 3rd for him would be a steal.

I don't know if I'd call him non-established. He's not proven as a #1, but he's been one of the top 2 or 3 backups in the league in each of the last two years. If you want a proven #1 stud goalie who's also young ... well, then good luck getting someone to send you one without having to gut your team.

OTOH, what you can do is identify a backup who's done an excellent job, and you think could be a #1, but hasn't had the opportunity yet. 30 isn't that old for a low-mileage goaltender, anyway. Heck, how old was Hasek when Buffalo got him?

Fernandez for a 3rd would indeed be a good deal; of course, Fernandez is probably worth more to his team right now than a 3rd. Same with Gerber, and if the Ducks can't get more than a 3rd they may as well just keep him, because he's contributed significantly to the team.

In the end you usually get what you pay for; if you only want to shell out for one of many "decent" goalies, then unless you get lucky you're probably going to end up with a pretty average goaltender by current standards. In which case, why even bother?

It's like when Detroit in the early 90's figured sticking with Cheveldae or going with Essensa on the cheap was a better deal than going after Fuhr or Beezer. And it probably was a better deal, strictly value-wise, than what they would have had to give up for a Vanbiesbrouck. But it likely cost them at least one extra Cup.

The market may be saturated with goalies, but that doesn't mean that teams are going to give you a top-level backup, never mind a proven starter, for a late 3rd round pick. The saturated goalie market means you can get a passable guy for a reasonable price, but the real quality guys are still pretty hard to come by. If it were so easy to get a good goaltender, you wouldn't have many of the same teams with netminding issues year after year.

New York Rangers probably not with Lundqvist coming in and they are moving toward a youth movement, also they might retain Noodles or pick up a goalie on the market and not trade for one.

Vancouver yes but Gerber wouldn't be a good fit.

Ottawa probably but I'd see a Kolzig there or someone else...not Gerber.

LA probably but Anaheim won't trade with LA, that and they'll go out on the market to find one.

Phoenix probably not with David LeVaneau, Brent Johnson, Brian Boucher, and Zak Bierk, if they really need one, again on the market.
From these 5 teams, Vancouver is the best fit. Ottawa already has Martin Prusek, which I think he will do very well for the sens next season.

I think Dan Cloutier will be brought back for the Canucks and let Auld play backup and see how he does.

Fernandez isn't worth as much to his team as you think, in fact I think Fernandez is hurting the team by NOT moving LOL.

Back to the subject the fact is there are goalies going to be out on the market ALA Dafoe a couple years ago probably that won't be retained by their teams, so trade a draft pick or sign a guy to a one year contract?

Back to the subject the fact is there are goalies going to be out on the market ALA Dafoe a couple years ago probably that won't be retained by their teams, so trade a draft pick or sign a guy to a one year contract?

Sure you can do that, but for the most part there's a reason they aren't being retained. Not that some aren't decent goalies out there, but decent isn't what you want when you're thinking about contention. But you aren't likely to land an established stud goalie in his prime, either. So you're back to looking around for overlooked guys buried behind someone good.

If you're talking about giving up a 3rd rounder or lower, or a guy who's happy to just get a one year deal, then chances are you're talking about a guy who's only a step up from the scrap heap. In which case you may as well stick with what you got.

Bert was dealt in Feb.1998.
DiPietro was drafted June 2000.
one move had nothing to do with the other.

and one of the few isle players, who's gotten props from both teammates and media for his 2003-04 reg. season and playoffs, is DiPietro.The kid needs to gain experience,not warm the bench.


anyway this is all moot.No word on nyi interest in Gerber.If I read/hear any differently,I'll post a link to a source.Duck fans feel free to come over to the nyi board if any Isles/Duck rumors pop up.

I meant more that he was impatient with Big Bert, and then Luongo. Untill Milbury shows some patience in his deals, then we'll all drop the "well, it's Milbury" thing.

From these 5 teams, Vancouver is the best fit. Ottawa already has Martin Prusek, which I think he will do very well for the sens next season.
A team like Ottawa may be hesitant to go with a young goalie when the time for them to win is now, same with Vancouver. teams looking to win now that may need a goalie will probably look at Gerber.

A team like Ottawa may be hesitant to go with a young goalie when the time for them to win is now, same with Vancouver. teams looking to win now that may need a goalie will probably look at Gerber.
Ottawa is very young. They got guys like Hossa, Havlat, Spezza, Redden, Chara, etc. are all fairly young. Gebrer really isnt young, and could easily pull a Giguere if given the chance.

Ottawa is very young. They got guys like Hossa, Havlat, Spezza, Redden, Chara, etc. are all fairly young. Gebrer really isnt young, and could easily pull a Giguere if given the chance.

Ottawa may be young, but they're supposed to be contending right now. If you've got a good enough team to win a Cup except for a goaltender, you better not wait around 4 or 5 years for a goalie to magically appear unless you don't mind a lot of wasted opportunities.

Gerber's not really old either. He's cheap, and he's been a top backup. I think he's already clearly better than many starters out there. Based on what he's done, I could easily see him becoming an impact goalie, so if the Ducks trade him I'd prefer it not be to a Western conference team that's just a goaltender away.

But hey, if no one's going to offer up much for Gerbs, then just keep him. It's not like he's expensive, and he's nice insurance in case Giggy tanks again.

Ottawa may be young, but they're supposed to be contending right now. If you've got a good enough team to win a Cup except for a goaltender, you better not wait around 4 or 5 years for a goalie to magically appear unless you don't mind a lot of wasted opportunities.

Gerber's not really old either. He's cheap, and he's been a top backup. I think he's already clearly better than many starters out there. Based on what he's done, I could easily see him becoming an impact goalie, so if the Ducks trade him I'd prefer it not be to a Western conference team that's just a goaltender away.

But hey, if no one's going to offer up much for Gerbs, then just keep him. It's not like he's expensive, and he's nice insurance in case Giggy tanks again.
I could definitely see him having success like Miika Kiprusoff is having in Calgary...former backup, gets traded and becomes the starter.