Round 3 Gatineau vs Sags

hockeysox
04-13-2004, 10:38 AM
Gatineau is just too strong for anyone this year, and although the Sags did the Olympiques a favour by mauling CB, they are spent!


Gatineau (Hull) in 5!!!:banana: :joker: :bow: :mad:

PEli*
04-13-2004, 01:14 PM
Gatineau in five. As much as I resent the Olympiques, I respect them and their players. I like the Sags as well but the Olympiques are a well oiled machine. Not the same team that CB is.

Rahan
04-17-2004, 10:06 AM
1-0 Chicoutimi ;)

By the way, anyone else thinks Pohl is overrated? Sure he doesn't play on the top line, but it seems like he can't do jack squat out there.

Crosbyfan
04-17-2004, 12:29 PM
1-0 Chicoutimi ;)

By the way, anyone else thinks Pohl is overrated? Sure he doesn't play on the top line, but it seems like he can't do jack squat out there.

Gatineau in 5 is starting to look "iffy"! :D

QcS
04-17-2004, 02:04 PM
let's all calm down.

Hull played only for 10 minutes last night.. and the reffing was AWFUL. I've seriously not seen a ref be this bad in a long time.

Although the reffing was bad, it wasn't the cause of last night's loss by Hull. They just didn't show up until the 3rd.

That's ok, it's a 7 game series..

As for Petr Pohl, he doesn't get much icetime right now and he's 17. He's not going to be Ales Hemsky, but he is going to contribute next year (probably playing on our second line). I don't know how many games you've seen him (to say he's overrated), but this year he has scored some highlight reel goals.

Rahan
04-18-2004, 10:21 AM
let's all calm down.

Hull played only for 10 minutes last night.. and the reffing was AWFUL. I've seriously not seen a ref be this bad in a long time.

Although the reffing was bad, it wasn't the cause of last night's loss by Hull. They just didn't show up until the 3rd.

That's ok, it's a 7 game series..

As for Petr Pohl, he doesn't get much icetime right now and he's 17. He's not going to be Ales Hemsky, but he is going to contribute next year (probably playing on our second line). I don't know how many games you've seen him (to say he's overrated), but this year he has scored some highlight reel goals.
The reffing was awful.. right. But they gave Gatineau three(3) five-on-three opportunities, not Chicoutimi.

Also.. I've seen Petr Pohl like 4 times on TV, I know that's not much hence why I ask for other's opinions.. It seems that when I see him play he can't make a whole play, often loses the puck or backs up.. en résumé, it isn't always pretty. I thought he was 18 now, my mistake... so I guess he'll be a force next year.

QcS
04-18-2004, 01:21 PM
The reffing was awful.. right. But they gave Gatineau three(3) five-on-three opportunities, not Chicoutimi.

the timing of penalties usually has alot to do in the outcome. When the game was close (in the second), Chicoutimi got 6 powerplays while Hull got 1. In the third, the ref equalized a bit of it and that's when Hull came back. As i said in my post, i'm not blaming the refs for Hull's loss (they have only themselves to blame), but i was pointing out that the reffing was awful.

I thought he was 18 now, my mistake... so I guess he'll be a force next year

he's going to be drafted in June.. and we all hope he's going to live up to expectations next season. Right now, he's along for the ride in order to gain experience and provide scoring on the 4th line ONCE in a while.

Sorry if my post sounded snappy.. ever since that loss friday night i've been reading Sags fans jumping up and down like they've won the championship.. hehehe grrrrr i hope we destroy them tonight :)

Nikk
04-19-2004, 05:06 PM
The reffing was awful.. right. But they gave Gatineau three(3) five-on-three opportunities, not Chicoutimi.

Also.. I've seen Petr Pohl like 4 times on TV, I know that's not much hence why I ask for other's opinions.. It seems that when I see him play he can't make a whole play, often loses the puck or backs up.. en résumé, it isn't always pretty. I thought he was 18 now, my mistake... so I guess he'll be a force next year.

The reffing is always bad when it is Mulyart (can't spell his name right...). That ref has something against the Olympiques and everytime he's reffing its bad. I'm not saying we did not deserve most of our penalties, however in the second period we had 6 penalties against only 1 for the Sags and they should have deserved much more because I've never seen a team do so much interference and all. As for Petr Pohl, give him a chance he's going to be much better next year with the experience he's getting with a very good team. I've seen almost all their games and what Pohl has to correct is that he's all over the ice like the energizer bunny and is trying to do too much. Another thing he's got to keep his head up. He skates most of the time with his head down and he will get corked one day... These down downfalls can be corrected easily. One of his strong points is that he has heart and he skates very fast. Put all of this together and he should be much stronger next year at 18. I do not think he's overrated.

PEli*
04-19-2004, 05:43 PM
hehehe grrrrr i hope we destroy them tonight :)

That you did. The Olympiques tourqued the Sags to the tune of 6-1. Not that we didn't expect a good jump out of the gate after a tough loss anyway. I haven't seen any highlights of the game but did see Talbot had a few points and Daoust was relatively quiet considering six goals were scored. How was he held to just two points?

QcS
04-19-2004, 06:48 PM
Peli: easy.. the 'Piques have 4 lines who can score.

Next season, our second line of this year (Dupuis, Labrecque and Labelle) will become our first line and will be awesome. Those guys have been playing together for a bit more than a year now.. Out of the 3, Labrecque impresses me the most. That guy has lots of pure talent.

That line could easily be the #1 line on most other teams.

Then on the first line, we have Talbot-Daoust and Fournier.

The team's strenght is easily their depth at the forward position.. last night Laroche didn't play because there's no one injured right now so the coach kinda rotates the last forward. Friday night it was Champagne who sat out.

nurminen31
04-19-2004, 06:53 PM
Ima Flyers fan and I wanted to know how Tremblay has been...

QcS
04-20-2004, 07:10 AM
Tremblay has played OK. I was a serious doubter at the beginning of the year, and knowing that Hull had a team to make it real far, i wanted the team to get another goalie.

BTW, I did see ALOT of games this year. (home and on the road)

At mid season, around Xmas time, he did change my mind. He stole a couple games and really seemed to be getting very confident and on top of his game.

Since then he's been average to good. It's very hard to judge correctly since Hull has a VERY strong team. He did put up big stats, but his play seems to depend on which night you see him. Some nights he can be very solid and make great saves, but on other nights he'll be real shaky.

I would love to see him with a team that allows alot of shots and is not that good.. hopefully we get to see this in the AHL next year.. it would be a better indicator of his talent.

Nikk
04-20-2004, 10:47 AM
That you did. The Olympiques tourqued the Sags to the tune of 6-1. Not that we didn't expect a good jump out of the gate after a tough loss anyway. I haven't seen any highlights of the game but did see Talbot had a few points and Daoust was relatively quiet considering six goals were scored. How was he held to just two points?

The difference with last year's series was that the Olympiques had an excellent first line (Talbot-Daoust-Brunelle) and Groulx was using them to the limit in each games, so they were more on the ice and hence at more chances to produce. The only thing with that is that by the time they got to the Memorial Cup, that line was drained. This year, the team has a lot of depth and all 4 lines are basically producing points. So that means that Talbot and Daoust are not as often on the ice as last year's series so, less ice time, not as many points. Talbot still has produced since the beginning of the series having at least one point each game and so has Daoust. Right now Talbot is playing excellent game after game and is being closely watched by players of the other team. Talbot has in 6 games 4 goals and 5 assists which is pretty good and Daoust has 2 goals 5 assists.

QcS
04-20-2004, 11:08 AM
i disagree with your assessment that the top Hull line was out of gas at the mem cup last year.

In the first round of the playoffs, they finished the series in 4 and then got some rest.

In the second round of the playoffs, they finished the series in 4 and then got some rest.

In the third round of the playoffs, they finished the series in 5 and then got some rest.

Finally they played 7 games in the finals vs Halifax.

Also, Benoit Groulx was giving a lot of icetime to his 2nd and 3rd lines during the post season.. and we can add that some players (like Brunelle) had been injured most of the year and had come back shortly before the playoffs.. so being tired wasn't really a factor.

Nikk
04-20-2004, 04:12 PM
i disagree with your assessment that the top Hull line was out of gas at the mem cup last year.

In the first round of the playoffs, they finished the series in 4 and then got some rest.

In the second round of the playoffs, they finished the series in 4 and then got some rest.

In the third round of the playoffs, they finished the series in 5 and then got some rest.

Finally they played 7 games in the finals vs Halifax.

Also, Benoit Groulx was giving a lot of icetime to his 2nd and 3rd lines during the post season.. and we can add that some players (like Brunelle) had been injured most of the year and had come back shortly before the playoffs.. so being tired wasn't really a factor.

I'm talking about the playoffs and sorry to disagree, but I attended almost every game and the first line was on the ice too long sometime. Yes, they did have a rest between rounds but Groulx was using mostly 2 lines and especially when they needed a goal the first line was on the ice constantly. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the ones that won the Memorial cup did not deserve to win I'm just saying that yes they were tired and also Talbot was playing while having health problems and as soon after the Memorial Cup he was operated on. Just look at Thornton from Boston in yesterday's game. He was playing with an injury and he was on the ice so often, in the 3rd period he was falling and was not able to play like he really can. Anyway, that's my opinion and I do respect yours. ;)

oil slick
04-21-2004, 01:40 PM
I have a question to all of you who have managed to see the Sags in this round, and earlier rounds. Is JDD's play as good as the box scores indicate? He seems to be getting outshot in every game, but I know that shot counts often don't represent the balance of play.

Should I be stoked about having him as an Oiler prospect - or has his play been fairly ordinary?

Rahan
04-21-2004, 04:48 PM
I have a question to all of you who have managed to see the Sags in this round, and earlier rounds. Is JDD's play as good as the box scores indicate? He seems to be getting outshot in every game, but I know that shot counts often don't represent the balance of play.

Should I be stoked about having him as an Oiler prospect - or has his play been fairly ordinary?

I've seen Jeff like 15 times this year - not yet in the playoffs because I'm having too many exams (damn college). In my opinion, he's a good goaltender but has nothing on the future star goaltenders. He's not consistent, his play with the puck makes everyone pray when he goes out of his net, and gives a softie or two a game. That being said, he makes some saves that makes you go WOW and has good positionning (could work on that tho). He has quick legs too, which is a good thing. Overall, I think he would fit more in the AHL than in the NHL.

oil slick
04-21-2004, 04:57 PM
I've seen Jeff like 15 times this year - not yet in the playoffs because I'm having too many exams (damn college). In my opinion, he's a good goaltender but has nothing on the future star goaltenders. He's not consistent, his play with the puck makes everyone pray when he goes out of his net, and gives a softie or two a game. That being said, he makes some saves that makes you go WOW and has good positionning (could work on that tho). He has quick legs too, which is a good thing. Overall, I think he would fit more in the AHL than in the NHL.

Hmmm... not so much worried about the playing the puck (what with the new rules for next year), but the softies is worrying. Ah well. How good is the Sags team defense by the way?

Nikk
04-22-2004, 10:47 AM
I have a question to all of you who have managed to see the Sags in this round, and earlier rounds. Is JDD's play as good as the box scores indicate? He seems to be getting outshot in every game, but I know that shot counts often don't represent the balance of play.

Should I be stoked about having him as an Oiler prospect - or has his play been fairly ordinary?

JDD played well the first game, but a lot of shots in the 2 games of the series I saw were not really dangerous shots. In the second game he let 2 goals go in that he usually stops and then they changed goalie. The third game from what I heard and read in the papers he made the key stops, was excellent and deserved the first star. Even if I'm a Hull fan I still like JDD but I also think that he is inconsistent from game to game. The Sags defense like Goodsell (6'3 & 205pds) is very imposing and is using his body to hit almost anything that is moving. Also Marcotte at 6'1 and 201 pounds injured our Centre Derrick Kent who suffered a concussion. That vicious hit was not penalized. There's another one of their player who even the Sags would rather not have on the ice because he's a real goon and they say he's more of a problem than helping the team by taking stupid penalties which are mostly cross checking hitting from behind, etc. Hull, being one of the smallest team in the league, they are being hit right and left some legal some just plain vicious. Hull's coach sent another video regarding the incident with Marcotte who received for his hit from behind a 2-minute penalty but the person in charge of the referees said that it should have been a 5-minute penalty. Anyway, game #4 tonight and we'll see who will get hurt this time around!!! Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking away the talent of some of the Sags players who are there to play a good clean game and they are playing with intensity and they are probably playing their best hockey ever, but its just too bad for those players who are playing for not the right reason.....

QcS
04-23-2004, 07:08 AM
JDD was chased out for the second time in the series last night..
Hull scored 4 on him in a little over 1 period and the Piques went on to a 7-2 win over the Sags.

JDD apparently let in 2 soft goals, but the whole team is said to have played like crap.

GO HULL GO!

oil slick
04-24-2004, 09:53 AM
Looked a lot less good last night I guess. Thanks for the info everyone.

Rahan
04-25-2004, 11:20 AM
9-0 Gat.. awful

hockeysox
04-26-2004, 06:25 AM
9-0 Gat.. awfulI thought you weren't supposed to wake a sleeping giant!!!!

I don't think Moncton will do any better!

:banana: :banana: :banana:

oil slick
04-26-2004, 07:51 AM
Is there this big a difference between Hull and the rest of the teams? Don't really follow the Q, but for a team to be outscoring another by 9-0 in the semi-finals seems incredible. Is Hull that good (ie. Will they diminate the Memorial), or are the rest of the teams (minus Moncton I guess) not very good?

Red Horner*
04-26-2004, 02:30 PM
How is Dominic D'Amour playing the Olympic.

PEli*
04-27-2004, 07:54 AM
Is there this big a difference between Hull and the rest of the teams? Don't really follow the Q, but for a team to be outscoring another by 9-0 in the semi-finals seems incredible. Is Hull that good (ie. Will they diminate the Memorial), or are the rest of the teams (minus Moncton I guess) not very good?

Gatineau is the best team in the Q. The regular season statistics would suggest they were the second best team but I felt that Gatineau would have beat CB in the playoffs.

The space between Gatineau and the rest of the Q is pretty big. They've got a good group of players who've been together for a while. They have great chemistry.

QcS
04-27-2004, 08:39 AM
i'm one to think that Moncton can give the 'Piques a good run for their money in the finals, but that the Piques and Cap Breton were the 2 best teams in the league all year (Moncton following in the 3rd spot). Cap Breton in the playoffs showed that they weren't really a "TEAM", but more a collection of individuals.

What's so good about the Piques team is that they have 12 guys who were there last year when they surprised everyone and went to the memorial cup tournament, and they added a killer scorer in Guillaume Fournier at the trading deadline. Their offense is EASILY the best i've seen in the Q this year.. they have 4 lines who can score. In the last 2 games of the Chicoutimi series, Peter Pohl (who is rated to go in the 1st or 2nd round in the NHL draft this year, but will probably go in the 3rd or 4th) was a healthy scratch. Not that he's been playing bad, but mostly that the other 4 lines have been playing VERY well.

The ONLY question mark on the team is the goaltending.. and it's been a question mark because Tremblay has not REALLY been tested the whole year (because the team is that good).

Dominic D'amour on Defense? he has the hardest shot on the team and probably one of the hardest ones in the league. They say he has an NHL caliber shot from the point. He's also the most physical dman on the Piques and has been more disciplined in the playoffs than he was in the regular season (he frustrated me more than once because of it..) :) He has been the most stable one defensively along with Vagner. O'Brien has been shaky in a few games, but is still top 4 on the team.

It should be a good finals vs Moncton, and hopefully the Piques can capture another championship and make it to the mem cup.. the field is wide open, especially considering the #1 team in the CHL was ousted last night (London).

QcS
04-27-2004, 08:41 AM
oh one last thing.. as HOT as the first line (Talbot-Daoust-Fournier) has been in the Chicoutimi series, the second line (Dupuis-Labrecque-Labelle) was as hot in the previous series. That whole second line would be a #1 line on most teams and will be our #1 line next year.

The Piques will lose good players, but will still have over 10 current ones on next year's roster.. so no "heading down to the bottom" for the Piques.. they won't be top 3 in the league, but will be a decent team.