why are we talking so much about zach parise?

i for one am sick of it. we drafted jessiman and passed on parise.
we aren't the only team to pass on him. he was drafted 18th. and there were other prospects that we passed over as well. why are people constantly going back to this. are we so insecure that we have to compare ourselves to new jersey all the time?

they're comparing the Rangers' draft pick to a pick that was several later that turned out to be one of the best in college that season.

Becuase it is pretty much agreed that Parise will be a good to very good NHL player. Jessiman will either be the steal of the draft or the biggest bust since Daigle.

Becuase it is pretty much agreed that Parise will be a good to very good NHL player. Jessiman will either be the steal of the draft or the biggest bust since Daigle.

Jessiman could never suit up for the Rangers and he isn't in the same league of a bust as Daigle ... it has always been known that Jessiman was a high risk high reward type of pick at #9 ( I believe it was 9???) ... Daigle was 1st overall and was being annointed the next great one ... different leagues of talent discussion.

Nevertheless your comment on Parise is accurately, people project that Parise is a more ready NHL players with a lower ceiling, and Jessiman is much more raw with a higher ceiling ... we gambled on the pick and lets hope we didn't roll Snakeyes ...

Jessiman could never suit up for the Rangers and he isn't in the same league of a bust as Daigle ... it has always been known that Jessiman was a high risk high reward type of pick at #9 ( I believe it was 9???) ... Daigle was 1st overall and was being annointed the next great one ... different leagues of talent discussion.

Nevertheless your comment on Parise is accurately, people project that Parise is a more ready NHL players with a lower ceiling, and Jessiman is much more raw with a higher ceiling ... we gambled on the pick and lets hope we didn't roll Snakeyes ...


What we keep forgetting is it's not a just a roll of the dice if Jessiman develops into something great or a bust. It's up to the rangers to develop him into a stud. They have to have the right coaches, keep him focussed on developing himself physically, keep working on his hand eye corridination, speed, and time his team role with his call up very carefully. It's up to the Rangers to make the best out of Jessiman. My arguement was that Parise would be better for our team because he's to the point where he can play and further develope on the NHL level. I'm very confident our team WILL TURN Jessiman into a bust.

What we keep forgetting is it's not a just a roll of the dice if Jessiman develops into something great or a bust. It's up to the rangers to develop him into a stud. They have to have the right coaches, keep him focussed on developing himself physically, keep working on his hand eye corridination, speed, and time his team role with his call up very carefully. It's up to the Rangers to make the best out of Jessiman. My arguement was that Parise would be better for our team because he's to the point where he can play and further develope on the NHL level. I'm very confident our team WILL TURN Jessiman into a bust.

i agree that jessiman is a high risk-high reward pick. i just don't get why he is always associated with parise? why not nillson or gretzlaf? they were also highly thought of. how well jessiman does has nothing to do with parise and vice versa.

i agree that jessiman is a high risk-high reward pick. i just don't get why he is always associated with parise? why not nillson or gretzlaf? they were also highly thought of. how well jessiman does has nothing to do with parise and vice versa.

Because Parise is on our next-door rivals and was the safer pick and probably the smarter pick ... so when Lou signed him now after his good year in college, everyone continues to yammer about how horrible a job sather did ... he's just a convenient example of how bad sather is ... whether or not the pick of jessiman was good or bad, its just easy to point to and say look, you made a mistake ... and the funny thing is I hate sather, but criticising him for Jessiman now is a little bit early and little toooo easy ... Lee Fedarleau (sp) on the other hand was an awful pick then and is still an awful pick.

Lee Fedarleau (sp) on the other hand was an awful pick then and is still an awful pick.

Here's is a good place to use this icon lol.

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Because Parise is on our next-door rivals and was the safer pick and probably the smarter pick ... so when Lou signed him now after his good year in college, everyone continues to yammer about how horrible a job sather did ... he's just a convenient example of how bad sather is ... whether or not the pick of jessiman was good or bad, its just easy to point to and say look, you made a mistake ... and the funny thing is I hate sather, but criticising him for Jessiman now is a little bit early and little toooo easy ... Lee Fedarleau (sp) on the other hand was an awful pick then and is still an awful pick.


Leaving Parise out of it, the Jessiman pick looks a lot better now after the Crazy Sather Blow Out Sale. With players like Balej, Rachunek, Immonen, Kondratiev, the slew of picks (as well as adding Pock, seeing what Garth Murray is and wildcards like Jonasen and Dawes) there is at least a base of prospects (and more to come with the draft). With at least a better foundation (if for no other reason than in pure quantity), the risk/reward in Jessiman is a lot easier to take.

Why are we talking about how much we talk about Parise... the plot thickens...

Jessiman could never suit up for the Rangers and he isn't in the same league of a bust as Daigle ... it has always been known that Jessiman was a high risk high reward type of pick at #9 ( I believe it was 9???) ... Daigle was 1st overall and was being annointed the next great one ... different leagues of talent discussion.

Nevertheless your comment on Parise is accurately, people project that Parise is a more ready NHL players with a lower ceiling, and Jessiman is much more raw with a higher ceiling ... we gambled on the pick and lets hope we didn't roll Snakeyes ...

maybe it was nine....but im almost positive it was 12...dont quote me...

Phaneuf was 9.... Jessiman was 12 if the memory serves

The funny thing is that most of the locals (UND Fans) I talk hockey with up here think that Parise was dumb to sign with NJ now. With a potential lock-out next year, they think he should have stayed at UND.


On the other hand, if I was in College, and an NHL team came and offered me a contract, you'd have to cut my hands off to keep me from signing... :highclap:

The funny thing is that most of the locals (UND Fans) I talk hockey with up here think that Parise was dumb to sign with NJ now. With a potential lock-out next year, they think he should have stayed at UND.


On the other hand, if I was in College, and an NHL team came and offered me a contract, you'd have to cut my hands off to keep me from signing... :highclap:

Why is that? He'll play next year in the AHL and probably receive more money for doing it then he would in a post lockout world.

Why are we talking about how much we talk about Parise... the plot thickens...

The paradigm has shifted. the inside of box is no longer the source of thought.

Trust No One

The pearl is in the river.

Leaving Parise out of it, the Jessiman pick looks a lot better now after the Crazy Sather Blow Out Sale. With players like Balej, Rachunek, Immonen, Kondratiev, the slew of picks (as well as adding Pock, seeing what Garth Murray is and wildcards like Jonasen and Dawes) there is at least a base of prospects (and more to come with the draft). With at least a better foundation (if for no other reason than in pure quantity), the risk/reward in Jessiman is a lot easier to take.



I Totally Agree with you and im goin to make a prediction about Parise he will never score more then 20 goals and will never have more then 50 points and if we bring Jessiman along right we could have a 30-40 goal type player

I Totally Agree with you and im goin to make a prediction about Parise he will never score more then 20 goals and will never have more then 50 points and if we bring Jessiman along right we could have a 30-40 goal type player
I think your right. I do see Parise as a York type player in the future. But that being said, he still has a hell of alot of work to do to even reach that level. You can be as good as anyone in college hockey but the NHL is a differant ball....err puck game. Look at Brian Gionta, if memory serves me correct he was BC's all-time leading scorer, now he is just a nice role player. Same goes for Mike "Hobey Baker" Mottau.

I think your right. I do see Parise as a York type player in the future. But that being said, he still has a hell of alot of work to do to even reach that level. You can be as good as anyone in college hockey but the NHL is a differant ball....err puck game. Look at Brian Gionta, if memory serves me correct he was BC's all-time leading scorer, now he is just a nice role player. Same goes for Mike "Hobey Baker" Mottau.

Brian Gionta had 21 goals this season, and is a member of one of the top lines in the NHL. He's not a role player.

Jay Pandolfo was a thirty-forty goal scorer in college and now he's a role player.

But Parise is not Gionta or Pandolfo - Parise has oodles more talent and Gionta-like heart. He has a lot of work to do, but when was the last time NJ just ruined a prospect?

[QUOTE=Flame_Star_Devil]Brian Gionta had 21 goals this season, and is a member of one of the top lines in the NHL. He's not a role player.

Jay Pandolfo was a thirty-forty goal scorer in college and now he's a role player.

But Parise is not Gionta or Pandolfo - Parise has oodles more talent and Gionta-like heart. He has a lot of work to do, but when was the last time NJ just ruined a prospect?[/

I will say this all the time Parise will be a role player and if Jessiman is worked correctely he can have 70,80,90 point seasons because he is reminding me of a thinner less pyscho version or T-Bert and im not saying he will be him but he has as high of a ceilin

I will say this all the time Parise will be a role player and if Jessiman is worked correctely he can have 70,80,90 point seasons because he is reminding me of a thinner less pyscho version or T-Bert and im not saying he will be him but he has as high of a ceilin

Zach Parise WILL be a third liner at worst. He just will be.
Hugh Jessiman WILL NOT make the NHL at worst. He just won't.

They both have a ceiling of NHL first liner.

Plus NJ is devolping Parise, the Rangers are devolping Jessiman. Judging from past history....

Zach Parise WILL be a third liner at worst. He just will be.
Hugh Jessiman WILL NOT make the NHL at worst. He just won't.

They both have a ceiling of NHL first liner.

Plus NJ is devolping Parise, the Rangers are devolping Jessiman. Judging from past history....


Yea why dont u bring your opinions back to your devil forum unless theres no1 there

Yea why dont u bring your opinions back to your devil forum unless theres no1 there

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Brian Gionta had 21 goals this season, and is a member of one of the top lines in the NHL. He's not a role player.

Jay Pandolfo was a thirty-forty goal scorer in college and now he's a role player.

But Parise is not Gionta or Pandolfo - Parise has oodles more talent and Gionta-like heart. He has a lot of work to do, but when was the last time NJ just ruined a prospect?
Ok sweet, he has 21 goals and an earth shattering 8 assists. So that puts him in the elite club with the likes of Nils Ekman, Dave Vybony, Mike Knuble, Alexander Daigle, ect. 20 goals mean little. 20 goals is a role player in my book. Hell, Gionta got outscored by defenseman like Mike Van Ryan and Nate Dempsey. And who cares what line he was on?! To me that just diminishes the goals and points he did accumulate. When you play with great players your obviously going to get better feeds and less defensive pressure on you. How many careers did Gretz and Lemieux make out of their linemates? Gionta is a role player, deal with it.

stepping into it when things are going good.

Hey MJ, by the way, I'm not going to APX at the Garden State Arts Center. Inadvertently booked a trip to Chicago. Oops. There goes my 8th row, center stage seat. I will be going to Oniondale, Long Island, on Friday, however (and yes, I spelled that with an 'O').

As for Gionta...not sure what you want to call him but he works hard and gets in position to score those goals. He's a smallish kid who still competes hard. I think of role players as being your guys that are fringe third or fourth liners, possibly penalty killers. I think of Gionta as a second line winger. What is very impressive about Gionta is he had 21 even strength goals.

Hey MJ, by the way, I'm not going to APX at the Garden State Arts Center.

Oooooo, that's tough. I'll give you a full report. Any idea who's opening for them on the East Coast?

no idea...if I hear anything, I'll let you know.

stepping into it when things are going good.

Hey MJ, by the way, I'm not going to APX at the Garden State Arts Center. Inadvertently booked a trip to Chicago. Oops. There goes my 8th row, center stage seat. I will be going to Oniondale, Long Island, on Friday, however (and yes, I spelled that with an 'O').

As for Gionta...not sure what you want to call him but he works hard and gets in position to score those goals. He's a smallish kid who still competes hard. I think of role players as being your guys that are fringe third or fourth liners, possibly penalty killers. I think of Gionta as a second line winger. What is very impressive about Gionta is he had 21 even strength goals.

Gionta had 21 even strength, Marty St.Louis had 30 even strength goals. Defenses better not take those little guys for granted, seems like they have been...

Ok sweet, he has 21 goals and an earth shattering 8 assists. So that puts him in the elite club with the likes of Nils Ekman, Dave Vybony, Mike Knuble, Alexander Daigle, ect. 20 goals mean little. 20 goals is a role player in my book. Hell, Gionta got outscored by defenseman like Mike Van Ryan and Nate Dempsey. And who cares what line he was on?! To me that just diminishes the goals and points he did accumulate. When you play with great players your obviously going to get better feeds and less defensive pressure on you. How many careers did Gretz and Lemieux make out of their linemates? Gionta is a role player, deal with it.

What if I was to tell you that Gionta has the second most goals on NJ?
Trust me, he's more than a role player.

And before you say that Gionta is #2 on NJ for goals is just another sign that NJ doesn't have an offense, realize that we were smack in the middle of the league for goals scored.

What if I was to tell you that Gionta has the second most goals on NJ?
Trust me, he's more than a role player.

And before you say that Gionta is #2 on NJ for goals is just another sign that NJ doesn't have an offense, realize that we were smack in the middle of the league for goals scored.


29 points in 75 games .
Anson Carter had 28 points in 77 games.....

Gionta is a good player. I'd let him play on my team any day. He'll never be a star or your go-to-guy, but he's a contributor.

As for the Jessiman-Parise thing it comes down to Jessiman having a higher ceiling, but Parise is lower risk.

Time will tell who the better pick was.

Ok sweet, he has 21 goals and an earth shattering 8 assists. So that puts him in the elite club with the likes of Nils Ekman, Dave Vybony, Mike Knuble, Alexander Daigle, ect. 20 goals mean little. 20 goals is a role player in my book. Hell, Gionta got outscored by defenseman like Mike Van Ryan and Nate Dempsey. And who cares what line he was on?! To me that just diminishes the goals and points he did accumulate. When you play with great players your obviously going to get better feeds and less defensive pressure on you. How many careers did Gretz and Lemieux make out of their linemates? Gionta is a role player, deal with it.

Gionta is more than a role player. Ideally he's a 2nd line player, but he could play on my team any day. Another thing is that the kid is a WINNER, something that gets overlooked far too often IMO.

He might be 5'2 & 150 lbs. but he's been the only Devil that has consistantly stood in front of Esche, willing to pay a price to score goals during this series.

Zach Parise WILL be a third liner at worst. He just will be.
Hugh Jessiman WILL NOT make the NHL at worst. He just won't.

No offense, but if your reasoning is "He just will" and "He just won't", you might as well say that Adrian Foster will be the next Martin St. Louis. Why? He just will.

Parise is probably one of the most overrated prospects in the last 25 years. For starters he didn't even show up in the WJC final game.

Gointa and Gomez are not part of one of the NHL's top lines. A top line would dominate in the playoffs. That line has basically done nothing when the games vs. Philly counted. In the first 2 games they scored a goal in each basically when the Flyers fell asleep and lost focus with 3-0 and 2-0 leads. Gionta and Gomez are almost always non factors in physical games. They are afraid or they just get run over. Elias has been carrying both those shrimps all year.

Jessiman is exactly they type of player that the Devils without Stevens and 90% of the other team probably couldn't handle if he gets up to about 230lbs and polishes his skills. Power forwards like Jessiman are rare. Players like Parise are a dime a dozen. Ryder on Montreal will probably have a much better career and he was a very late draft pick

Parise is probably one of the most overrated prospects in the last 25 years. For starters he didn't even show up in the WJC final game.

Gointa and Gomez are not part of one of the NHL's top lines you Devil clown. A top line would dominate in the playoffs. That line has basically done nothing when the games vs. Philly counted. In the first 2 games they scored a goal in each basically when the Flyers fell asleep and lost focus with 3-0 and 2-0 leads. Gionta and Gomez are almost always non factors in physical games. They are afraid or they just get run over. Elias has been carrying both those shrimps all year.

Jessiman is exactly they type of player that the Devils without Stevens and 90% of the other team probably couldn't handle if he gets up to about 230lbs and polishes his skills. Power forwards like Jessiman are rare. Players like Parise are a dime a dozen. Ryder on Montreal will probably have a much better career and he was a very late draft pick

Bro, I aint a clown. I know what I'm talking about, and before you say he's overrated you should go check what all the top analysts have to say about him - really good things. Parise is not just a skill player, he's also got the heart of a Gionta type player. He's a winner. His defensive skills are also very highly prized. Parise is anything but a dime-a-dozen player.

The EGG line is one of the top lines in the NHL. In case you didn't know, they have 6 goals and 8 or 9 assists in the playoffs thus far. They HAVE shown up. Gionta? Afraid of getting hit? What are you watching? Gionta is always in the middle of the hitting - he plants himself right in front of the net on every play. Gomez is a finesse player, but he keeps his head up and can avoid hits. Elias hasn't carried them - it's a team effort.

You are wasting your time arguing with Skunk. He'll likely be the silent one in the last row 2-3 years down the road when it comes time to looking back at past personal predictions. Pretty clear from his post we won't be seeing much of a balanced opinion towards the Devils anytime soon. I won't be the least bit surprised if Parise evolves into a poor mans Patrik Elias in due time myself.


I like Parise. I think he could be next Sakic. However I think Jessiman could be that next big power forward in the Shanahan/Leclair mold. At this point to say Sather screwed the pick up is premature. Parise has not played a single shift at the NHL level. Let us see Parise do something 1st before we say that Sather Screwed up.

However I do believe we should FIRE GLEN SATHER NOW!!!!!!

Sather isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. :banghead: