Official 2009 Offseason/Draft Thread Part VIII

Alexi is a ******...

Bringing in Koivu doesn't stunt our young at least this season.

Bergfors can still get a top 9 role.
Pelley will still be our 4th line center
PL3/Ilkka will still get their games in.


Sounds like there is going to be a trade regardless.

Bringing in Koivu doesn't stunt our young at least this season.

Bergfors can still get a top 9 role.
Pelley will still be our 4th line center
PL3/Ilkka will still get their games in.


Sounds like there is going to be a trade regardless.

Too bad it's not going to include Pandolfo who is snaking rookies of time and us of cap.

I really don't understand your fascination with Clarkson in a top 6 role. He's the definition of a 3rd line player. He doesn't even come close to having the vision of a scoring line player, everything is done with his head down and to his forehand, I very rarely ever see him make a move or pass with his backhand.
I'm not saying he's a definite top-6 winger. I'm saying playing on a line with top-6 forwards, his skills mesh very well with theirs. It's like Burrows on Vancouver, they're comparable players. Burrows is flourishing with the Sedins, and they're playing better as a consequence of his presence. Clarkson may not be a top-6 winger on most teams, but he's capable of eating up minutes and producing the intangibles as well as 20 goals.

Lou has said he wants Clarkson to get more icetime. I heartily agree with him on this. Of all the players on our team, Clarkson did the most with his minutes of anyone not on the ZZ line. I'd like to give him a shot with a guy he's had chemistry with, Rolston, and another guy who's definitely capable of elevating everyone's game, Elias.

I do think we need one more forward, someone to play with Bergfors and Zubrus. I actually think a Zubrus - Koivu - Bergfors line could work out nice, especially if it's cushioned by Parise and Elias anchored units. But Koivu wants years and if I were GM, I wouldn't give them to him.

Bringing in Koivu doesn't stunt our young at least this season.

Bergfors can still get a top 9 role.
Pelley will still be our 4th line center
PL3/Ilkka will still get their games in.


Sounds like there is going to be a trade regardless.

yeah, until he signs a depth wing. there will be one spot left on the roster. either 2nd line RW (if one of Rolston/Elias doesn't flip wings) or 3rd line LW. then they sign a depth player and the kids get blue balls.

I really hope he signs with someone else. enough with the patchwork ****.

Im sorry but I dont want koivu for more than two years no matter what. The worst case scenario if we signed him for over 2 years is that when josefson came over zubrus and maybe koivu would move to wing and we'd have 2 overpaid players on the 3rd/4th line which really isnt too appealing to me...better off signing lang to a one year deal which we know he will sign due to his injury last year

how much could we give koivu for a 1 year contract, without having to lose martin next year?

how much could we give koivu for a 1 year contract, without having to lose martin next year?

$10M. well, you asked. :laugh:

how much could we give koivu for a 1 year contract, without having to lose martin next year?

we could give him as much as we want since his contract would expire the year martin turns a free agent

how much could we give koivu for a 1 year contract, without having to lose martin next year?

For a one year deal, pretty much anything because it will expire before Martin becomes a FA.

BTW, where has this Kovalev stuff come from?

we could give him as much as we want since his contract would expire the year martin turns a free agent

ahh yeah, i mean 2 years, since martin will be a free agent next year, how much will his contract extension be? (martins) and how much money does that leave for koivu if we do happen to sign him

I already outlined what happens next year if the cap stays the same, and now we have people who want to give Koivu a long term deal at the mercy of not being able to re-sign Martin next year if the cap goes down?

I'd rather go with Zubrus again if that's the case.

ahh yeah, i mean 2 years, since martin will be a free agent next year, how much will his contract extension be? (martins) and how much money does that leave for koivu if we do happen to sign him
It's impossible to know, because we don't know what the cap is going to be or what Martin is going to demand as a free agent (although that's probably $5-$5.5M/year).

yeah, until he signs a depth wing. there will be one spot left on the roster. either 2nd line RW (if one of Rolston/Elias doesn't flip wings) or 3rd line LW. then they sign a depth player and the kids get blue balls.

I really hope he signs with someone else. enough with the patchwork ****.

Zubrus was a patch work but Koivu is a proven leader, a terrific faceoff men, has alot more vision then Zubrus and has a good 2 way game. He a MAJOR upgrade over what we have at the moment and can come cheap for a 4 year contract. We don't have alot of depth at center at the moment. Yes, i know that we have guys like Cormier, Josefson, Henrique, etc... but I don't see Lou going with 5 rookies in the same year (Bergfors, PL3, Pelley, The " big Finn" and possibly Halischuk). You can add 2 or maybe 3 of them but not two full lines worth of unproven NHL'ers.

I already outlined what happens next year if the cap stays the same, and now we have people who want to give Koivu a long term deal at the mercy of not being able to re-sign Martin next year if the cap goes down?

I'd rather go with Zubrus again if that's the case.

Again, If Lou needs to shed some salary, he has more then one option to work with. He can always trade/waive/buyout/kill someone like Zubrus or Pandolfo and I would take Koivu over those tow guys any day of the week + the weekend.

Zubrus was a patch work but Koivu is a proven leader, a terrific faceoff men, has alot more vision then Zubrus and has a good 2 way game. He a MAJOR upgrade over what we have at the moment and can come cheap for a 4 year contract. We don't have alot of depth at center at the moment. Yes, i know that we have guys like Cormier, Josefson, Henrique, etc... but I don't see Lou going with 5 rookies in the same year (Bergfors, PL3, Pelley, The " big Finn" and possibly Halischuk). You can add 2 or maybe 3 of them but not two full lines worth of unproven NHL'ers.

Koivu is the definition of patchwork. An older guy who isn't what he was before, who is a merc, that would only be signed because Lou panicked and had a change of heart. He's not coming cheap for a 4 year contract. I don't think 4/$16M is cheap, and that's probably the low end.

It's just the some people are horny for signing someone, anyone, for whatever, and it clouds judgement. I don't want players who don't want to be here clogging up cap space and opportunity. End of story. I'm sure the Jim EIV's of the world would be absolutely thrilled when/if this goes down. Yep, great, we're running in place.

Koivu is the definition of patchwork. An older guy who isn't what he was before, who is a merc, that would only be signed because Lou panicked and had a change of heart. He's not coming cheap for a 4 year contract. I don't think 4/$16M is cheap, and that's probably the low end.

It's just the some people are horny for signing someone, anyone, for whatever, and it clouds judgement. I don't want players who don't want to be here clogging up cap space and opportunity. End of story. I'm sure the Jim EIV's of the world would be absolutely thrilled when/if this goes down. Yep, great, we're running in place.

I don't want to argue with you but if you think that Zubrus is on the same level as Koivu.... then that's your P.O.V. How do you know he doesn't want to come here... did he call you and tell you that, were did you get that info, I'd really like to know. If it's because he didn't make up his mind yet, then that's completely crazy. The guy wants to make the smartest decision possible and I'd do the same thing. He's in no rush and has all the leverage at the moment so if he takes a couple of days to "sleep on it" it's not cause he doesn't want to play here but to make the best possible decision for him and his familly. Signing someone like Lang would be a patch work but Koivu isn't 38 years old, he's 34.

The thing is, people are banking on Josefson to be ready within a year or two... Who says he won't end up being Bergfors-ish and take 3 or 4 years in the AHL before he's ready to play in Jersey? Henrique likely maxes out as a 3rd liner two or three years down the line - I can't see him making the jump directly to the NHL, and Cormier maybe a limited second liner but more likely a third line energy guy - again in a few years.

As it stands, we have NO proven NHL centers on the team until Zajac re-signs, and assuming he does, our legitimate center depth is Zajac (a second line center playing with an all-star winger), Zubrus (a decent center, but lacking any offense when playing the position), Pelley (40 games in the NHL or so...). It's nice to think that within a year or two, Josefson will be ready for a top six role and Cormier and Henrique will fill the bottom six, but if every promising prospect panned out there would never be a need to sign free agents. But even if Josefson is NHL ready next year, do you think he'll be NHL top six ready? Would you want to go into another playoff series with Zajac as our only proven center? Look at the teams who have won the Cup since we won it last. Every team has center depth. Some have great defense, some have mediocre defense, some have good wingers, some don't, some have had good goalies, some didn't, but every team that has won the Cup since we did has had center depth. Vinny and Richards, Staal Brindy and Weight, Getzlad and MacDonald, Datsyuk and Franzen, Crosby and Malkin... Zajac and Zubrus?

Giving Koivu a 4 year deal obviously isn't ideal, but it's also not a team breaker even with a lowered cap by about 5 million. We get undeniably better, and we still would have room to re-up Martin and Parise when the time comes. The cheap contracts of PL3, Ilkka, Bergfors if he makes it, Corrente if he makes it... help to make up for any overspending that Lou might make on Koivu.

I don't want to argue with you but if you think that Zubrus is on the same level as Koivu.... then that's your P.O.V. How do you know he doesn't want to come here... did he call you and tell you that, were did you get that info, I'd really like to know. If it's because he didn't make up his mind yet, then that's completely crazy. The guy wants to make the smartest decision possible and I'd do the same thing. He's in no rush and has all the leverage at the moment so if he takes a couple of days to "sleep on it" it's not cause he doesn't want to play here but to make the best possible decision for him and his familly. Signing someone like Lang would be a patch work but Koivu isn't 38 years old, he's 34.

I don't think he's on the same level of Zubrus. I just want nothing to do with knee-jerk contracts. In that respect, he IS very much like Zubrus.

Lang isn't patchwork, he's a placeholder. He would have no long term future with the team and no impact on seasons involved other than next. Koivu would be awesome in that kind of role.

But, it's not going to happen that way. And with that kind of deal, he would have a long-term future and screw with things. If you're acting like you have some kind of long-term youth movement plan, it would be extremely weird to make that kind of signing.

And, I really feel if he signs with us long-term, we're getting a merc and we're not going to get 100%. I would rather have a player that wants to play for my team. If you have the best contract out there (and I'm assuming we do), and he doesn't want to accept it... it says alot. Even Rolston grabbed that ASAP, and I've got questions as to whether Rolston is all-in.

Just move Elias back to center. I am on the "no free agents more than 1 year, if that" bandwagon.

The thing is, people are banking on Josefson to be ready within a year or two... Who says he won't end up being Bergfors-ish and take 3 or 4 years in the AHL before he's ready to play in Jersey? Henrique likely maxes out as a 3rd liner two or three years down the line - I can't see him making the jump directly to the NHL, and Cormier maybe a limited second liner but more likely a third line energy guy - again in a few years.

As it stands, we have NO proven NHL centers on the team until Zajac re-signs, and assuming he does, our legitimate center depth is Zajac (a second line center playing with an all-star winger), Zubrus (a decent center, but lacking any offense when playing the position), Pelley (40 games in the NHL or so...). It's nice to think that within a year or two, Josefson will be ready for a top six role and Cormier and Henrique will fill the bottom six, but if every promising prospect panned out there would never be a need to sign free agents. But even if Josefson is NHL ready next year, do you think he'll be NHL top six ready? Would you want to go into another playoff series with Zajac as our only proven center? Look at the teams who have won the Cup since we won it last. Every team has center depth. Some have great defense, some have mediocre defense, some have good wingers, some don't, some have had good goalies, some didn't, but every team that has won the Cup since we did has had center depth. Vinny and Richards, Staal Brindy and Weight, Getzlad and MacDonald, Datsyuk and Franzen, Crosby and Malkin... Zajac and Zubrus?

Giving Koivu a 4 year deal obviously isn't ideal, but it's also not a team breaker even with a lowered cap by about 5 million. We get undeniably better, and we still would have room to re-up Martin and Parise when the time comes. The cheap contracts of PL3, Ilkka, Bergfors if he makes it, Corrente if he makes it... help to make up for any overspending that Lou might make on Koivu.

Thank you... you just saved me about 10 minutes of tipping ;)

From the last thread:
Clarkson's toe-drag is done with the forehand side of the blade. If he was doing something with his backhand he'd move to his right. Think about all his wraparounds too, all done on the forehand side.

Koivu guys, can you please lay out for me a cap plan for next year that includes Martin getting $5-5.5M, Clarkson getting a doubled salary, maybe giving raises to Mottau and Bergfors please, all while fitting Koivu under the cap?

Thanks.

p.s. make it realistic (meaning Pandolfo may be on the team next year as well)

And, I really feel if he signs with us long-term, we're getting a merc and we're not going to get 100%. I would rather have a player that wants to play for my team. If you have the best contract out there (and I'm assuming we do), and he doesn't want to accept it... it says alot. Even Rolston grabbed that ASAP, and I've got questions as to whether Rolston is all-in.

I really don't get you... If you have 3 job offers, are you automatically going to pick the one that gives you more years of stability or the one that fits your "personal standards" ??? New Jersey didn't offer Koivu a contract untill today, maybe Koivu's using your logic and saying something like "Maybe Lou doesn't really want me cause he didn't offer a contract from day 1".

;)

Koivu guys, can you please lay out for me a cap plan for next year that includes Martin getting $5-5.5M, Clarkson getting a doubled salary, maybe giving raises to Mottau and Bergfors please, all while fitting Koivu under the cap?

Thanks.

p.s. make it realistic (meaning Pandolfo may be on the team next year as well)

I don't know and I won't start throwing all kinds of scenarios out there cause it probably won't happen. But what I do know is that we have one of the best Gm's in the league and I think that if Lou offered Koivu a 4 year contract, like it's been rumoured, I'm 100% convinced that he has a plan for Clarkson and Martin before Koivu puts some ink on a contract, don't you ?!?!?

ok then while all of us bicker, well go into next season with no second line center and well ***** and moan about it. so im gonna prep myself for that excitement.

ok then while all of us bicker, well go into next season with no second line center and well ***** and moan about it. so im gonna prep myself for that excitement.

I am guessing that is what you are EXCITED for. hahaha.

I want to trade for a second line center, not sign one. Which is alot easier said then done.

Koivu guys, can you please lay out for me a cap plan for next year that includes Martin getting $5-5.5M, Clarkson getting a doubled salary, maybe giving raises to Mottau and Bergfors please, all while fitting Koivu under the cap?

Thanks.

p.s. make it realistic (meaning Pandolfo may be on the team next year as well)

Alright, here it is:

Elias (6)-Koivu(4)-Bergfors (.9)
Parise (3.125)-Zajac(2.75)-Langenbrunner(2.9)
Rolston(5)-Zubrus(3.4)-Clarkson(2M)
Pandolfo(2.5)-Pelley(.704)-Pikkarainen(.865)

Martin (5.5)-Oduya(3.5)
Mottau (1)-White (3)
Salvador (2.9) - Corrente (.875)

Brodeur (5.2)
Frazee (.55)

= 56,669,000

And we demand that we be given a different cap than the rest of the league or they'll be swimming with the fishes.

/End

if lou is able to move one or both of zubrus/pandos contracts for X then that also helps the cap and martins billion spacebuck raise. i do like zubrus but at the first sight of a decent deal on the table, id move him. as for pando....ugh...:facepalm: what can i say that hasnt already been said by everyone else who wants him gone, but yea, he needs to mosey.

ok then while all of us bicker, well go into next season with no second line center and well ***** and moan about it. so im gonna prep myself for that excitement.

um, we're going into the first game of next season with the exact same second line C as last season. and if it isn't that guy, it's the other second line center, or the guy that was second line center two seasons ago.

is it ideal? no. but, if you have a plan, freaking stick to it for at least a week.
if you can't make an expiring contract, fine, trade for one later. they will be able to pick up plenty of expiring contract later. it's a 9 month season.

um, we're going into the first game of next season with the exact same second line C as last season. and if it isn't that guy, it's the other second line center, or the guy that was second line center two seasons ago.

is it ideal? no. but, if you have a plan, freaking stick to it for at least a week.
if you can't make an expiring contract, fine, trade for one later. they will be able to pick up plenty of expiring contract later. it's a 9 month season.

Agreed. I'd rather they just see what the kids look like early in the season and then address whatever needs they have. Who knows, maybe putting Elias back in the middle and playing Bergfors with him, or moving Rolston into the top six will be all it takes to fix the second line center issue.

The Devils will have plenty of cap space available if they don't sign anybody else now, which is more than some other teams can say. They'd have room to add somebody at the deadline, while others won't. They'd have the room available next offseason when their own players like Martin and Clarkson will need to get paid, and other free agents will be available. I'd rather have cap flexibility heading forward than to be up against it.

Alright, here it is:

Elias (6)-Koivu(4)-Bergfors (.9)
Parise (3.125)-Zajac(2.75)-Langenbrunner(2.9)
Rolston(5)-Zubrus(3.4)-Clarkson(2M)
Pandolfo(2.5)-Pelley(.704)-Pikkarainen(.865)

Martin (5.5)-Oduya(3.5)
Mottau (1)-White (3)
Salvador (2.9) - Corrente (.875)

Brodeur (5.2)
Frazee (.55)

= 56,669,000

And we demand that we be given a different cap than the rest of the league or they'll be swimming with the fishes.

/End

and we either let Martin or Clarkson walk or we have no room to resign Parise, Cap will be going down 1-2 million most likely as well

Alright, here it is:

Elias (6)-Koivu(4)-Bergfors (.9)
Parise (3.125)-Zajac(2.75)-Langenbrunner(2.9)
Rolston(5)-Zubrus(3.4)-Clarkson(2M)
Pandolfo(2.5)-Pelley(.704)-Pikkarainen(.865)

Martin (5.5)-Oduya(3.5)
Mottau (1)-White (3)
Salvador (2.9) - Corrente (.875)

Brodeur (5.2)
Frazee (.55)

= 56,669,000

And we demand that we be given a different cap than the rest of the league or they'll be swimming with the fishes.

/End

I see how nicely you gave Zajac only $2.75M to barely squeeze into this year's cap number.

So even if next year's cap remains the same as this year's, we can't fit him in.

Now just think if the cap goes down at all.

The thing is, people are banking on Josefson to be ready within a year or two... Who says he won't end up being Bergfors-ish and take 3 or 4 years in the AHL before he's ready to play in Jersey? Henrique likely maxes out as a 3rd liner two or three years down the line - I can't see him making the jump directly to the NHL, and Cormier maybe a limited second liner but more likely a third line energy guy - again in a few years.

As it stands, we have NO proven NHL centers on the team until Zajac re-signs, and assuming he does, our legitimate center depth is Zajac (a second line center playing with an all-star winger), Zubrus (a decent center, but lacking any offense when playing the position), Pelley (40 games in the NHL or so...). It's nice to think that within a year or two, Josefson will be ready for a top six role and Cormier and Henrique will fill the bottom six, but if every promising prospect panned out there would never be a need to sign free agents. But even if Josefson is NHL ready next year, do you think he'll be NHL top six ready? Would you want to go into another playoff series with Zajac as our only proven center? Look at the teams who have won the Cup since we won it last. Every team has center depth. Some have great defense, some have mediocre defense, some have good wingers, some don't, some have had good goalies, some didn't, but every team that has won the Cup since we did has had center depth. Vinny and Richards, Staal Brindy and Weight, Getzlad and MacDonald, Datsyuk and Franzen, Crosby and Malkin... Zajac and Zubrus?

Giving Koivu a 4 year deal obviously isn't ideal, but it's also not a team breaker even with a lowered cap by about 5 million. We get undeniably better, and we still would have room to re-up Martin and Parise when the time comes. The cheap contracts of PL3, Ilkka, Bergfors if he makes it, Corrente if he makes it... help to make up for any overspending that Lou might make on Koivu.
Worst case scenario, we sign Saku to a four year deal. He's our second line center. Josefson crosses the pond to play for us, he takes the third line role, and if he surpasses Koivu, which he should within the three or four year mark, he takes the second center spot and we let Koivu play on the third line until the contract is up.

No big deal.

um, we're going into the first game of next season with the exact same second line C as last season. and if it isn't that guy, it's the other second line center, or the guy that was second line center two seasons ago.

is it ideal? no. but, if you have a plan, freaking stick to it for at least a week.
if you can't make an expiring contract, fine, trade for one later. they will be able to pick up plenty of expiring contract later. it's a 9 month season.

im well aware of the situation and the length of the season. and no the situation isnt particularly ideal because as we saw, both of those "centers" didnt really inspire or excite, be it es or pp. i dont care who lou gets to address that need but it needs to be addressed. im only saying koivu because hes available now, hes not going to break the bank per se(ill trust lou with the $$ situation), has the same defensive abilities as gio, will hopefully put up the same amount of points as zajac if healthy and is a true centerman. if lous looking into him then im not concerned about the cap because if he was, hed be looking elsewhere for services. also, IF a trade is what lou ends up doing, well then thats all well and good too. i am not confident in zubrus centering the 2nd line and while im more confident in rolston doing it, its more of yet another stopgap solution. if it works, awesome, if it doesnt, its back to musical chairs.....again. we already saw how frustrating that can be.

when will we see a deal happening? today? a week? a month?..

if koivu gets signed by another team..what do we do?

who is a possible trade partner, and for who?



(how does the board feel about kovalev/sakic?)
(who else do people want?)

---what is shanahan doing?

Koivu guys, can you please lay out for me a cap plan for next year that includes Martin getting $5-5.5M, Clarkson getting a doubled salary, maybe giving raises to Mottau and Bergfors please, all while fitting Koivu under the cap?

Thanks.

p.s. make it realistic (meaning Pandolfo may be on the team next year as well)

Why is getting making Pando a cap casualty unrealistic? Sure, he's one of Lou's boys, but if the cap actually goes down, I think Lou can buy him out/ waive him with one single year left on his contract without feeling like a dick.

getting rid of pando and salvador is the only way we could afford koivu for more than 2 years

Missed this rumor on Koivu, when and where does this come from?

I see how nicely you gave Zajac only $2.75M to barely squeeze into this year's cap number.

So even if next year's cap remains the same as this year's, we can't fit him in.

Now just think if the cap goes down at all.

Like I said, even if it does. Devils have their own cap. Clearly you missed the sarcasm there.

Columbus has signed Rick Nash to an extension. 8 years, 62.4 total, cap hit 7.8.

Next lockout is coming soon. This is crazy.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283634

Chicago tendered qualifying offers to several key players this week, including Chris Versteeg, Cam Barker, Ben Eager, Colin Fraser, Aaron Johnson and Troy Brouwer, however the investigation underway is to determiner whether the qualifying offers were filed correctly.

If not, there is the remote possibility the qualifying offers could be ruled invalid and the players listed above, conceivably, could be deemed unrestricted free agents because of the blunder.

Lou, steal Barker and Brouwer! Do it!

Cam Barker might be a UFA? Don't tease me like that.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283634

Quote:
Chicago tendered qualifying offers to several key players this week, including Chris Versteeg, Cam Barker, Ben Eager, Colin Fraser, Aaron Johnson and Troy Brouwer, however the investigation underway is to determiner whether the qualifying offers were filed correctly.

If not, there is the remote possibility the qualifying offers could be ruled invalid and the players listed above, conceivably, could be deemed unrestricted free agents because of the blunder.

This is the same thing that happened to Lou in 2000, and both Rafalski and John Madden became UFA's. They got huge raises because of it, and Elias and Sykora were angry.

Anyway, out of those names, Versteeg and Barker intrigue me.

whoopsie

This is the same thing that happened to Lou in 2000, and both Rafalski and John Madden became UFA's. They got huge raises because of it, and Elias and Sykora were angry.

Anyway, out of those names, Versteeg and Barker intrigue me.

Yes, it's why Madden was overpaid for all those years, relative to other players on the team (like Pandolfo and Brylin back when they were good).

I would love to sign Barker. Obviously, that would mean no Koivu, but we aren't filling both holes with Rolston, Zubrus, and Pandolfo still on the books.

Cam Barker might be a UFA? Don't tease me like that.

Seriously.

Seriously.

There is a small chance. Apparently the Blackhawks might not have delivered their qualifying offer in time.

Don't torture yourselves. If Barker hits the market, the Raggots will throw a billion dollar contract at them.

I really don't like Barker. Super overrated.

Rick Nash's contract makes me a little nervous about Parise's next contract, considering Parise had a better year last year than Nash ever had.

On the other hand, if Columbus lost Nash, they might as well fold the franchise, so they pretty much had to give him whatever he wanted to get him to stay.

the funny thing about Nash's contract, is it's alot like Vanek's sheet. depending on what CBJ's budget is, it has the potential for major screwage.

but, like Buffalo having to match Vanek in order to avoid Buffalo becoming more burnt out that it was before, CBJ had no choice. if they aren't going to keep Nash, they might as well fold up and leave.

you wish the players involved would have more common sense, though. If a Devil did what Vanek did to the Sabres, I'd wish they'd get hit by a bus on the way to sign the contract. the Sabres will never be the same again because of him.

ugh, nash is so ****ing good. if only there was a way. sigh.

the Blackhawks better not get away with it, if it really went down that way.

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If we're talking about getting a stop gap for one season. How about Sundin 1 year 3 million, if he goes through an entire training camp, he'll be more effective I think.

Rick Nash's contract makes me a little nervous about Parise's next contract, considering Parise had a better year last year than Nash ever had.

On the other hand, if Columbus lost Nash, they might as well fold the franchise, so they pretty much had to give him whatever he wanted to get him to stay.
Parise is due for his seven million. If *WE* don't give him that, WE might as well fold up our franchise.

Parise is due for his seven million. If *WE* don't give him that, WE might as well fold up our franchise.

I say parise accepts a ten year deal at a cap hit around zetterbergs...he doesnt seem like someone who is too greedy and I think he enjoys the culture here at New Jersey while Nash probably had to be paid a bit extra to stay in colombus

I say parise accepts a ten year deal at a cap hit around zetterbergs...he doesnt seem like someone who is too greedy and I think he enjoys the culture here at New Jersey while Nash probably had to be paid a bit extra to stay in colombus
Yeah, it's possible he'll take a Marty Brodeur kind of discount to stay. I sure hope so, but is it really selfish to ask for 7 million, when unproven people like Gaborik command that kind of money?

Yeah, it's possible he'll take a Marty Brodeur kind of discount to stay. I sure hope so, but is it really selfish to ask for 7 million, when unproven people like Gaborik command that kind of money?

I probably would think a little less of him but he definitely deserves it so I wouldnt be angry but I wouldnt be thrilled...zach just strikes me as a player who would take a brodeurian discount to stay though so hopefully I can hold out hope for that

I probably would think a little less of him but he definitely deserves it so I wouldnt be angry but I wouldnt be thrilled...zach just strikes me as a player who would take a brodeurian discount to stay though so hopefully I can hold out hope for that

thankfully, there are still team first type players and zach does strike me as one of them. i know well see #9 hangin from the rafters when all said and done.:handclap:

thankfully, there are still team first type players and zach does strike me as one of them. i know well see #9 hangin from the rafters when all said and done.:handclap:
I hope you're right, but I'm not so optimistic. Parise wants to win. He might go running to Detroit or Chicago if he feels like the Devils aren't close.

I hope you're right, but I'm not so optimistic. Parise wants to win. He might go running to Detroit or Chicago if he feels like the Devils aren't close.
Not a threat when they don't have any cap room to speak of.

If we're talking about getting a stop gap for one season. How about Sundin 1 year 3 million, if he goes through an entire training camp, he'll be more effective I think.

Sundin would be nice for 1 year, I doubt he would suit up for the full regular season but he's very reliable in the playoffs... thats if he's not retiring

or even Lang would be good for a year but it's gonna take some overpaying to get either one, 1 year at 5-6 million?

Not a threat when they don't have any cap room to speak of.
But either one could by then. Or another team. A lot could happen between now and then.

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I honestly believe that when Parise re-negeotiates his contract Lou is going to give him a blank check and say "use your imagination." Honestly, Parise will be the franchise long after Brodeur is gone and Lamoriello always takes care of the players he deems as special. Brodeur is one, Elias is another, and he rolled out the red carpet for Niedermayer but he didn't bite.

I honestly believe that when Parise re-negeotiates his contract Lou is going to give him a blank check and say "use your imagination." Honestly, Parise will be the franchise long after Brodeur is gone and Lamoriello always takes care of the players he deems as special. Brodeur is one, Elias is another, and he rolled out the red carpet for Niedermayer but he didn't bite.

:laugh: for some reason I found the idea of Lou doing that funnier than it probably is

I probably would think a little less of him but he definitely deserves it so I wouldnt be angry but I wouldnt be thrilled...zach just strikes me as a player who would take a brodeurian discount to stay though so hopefully I can hold out hope for that

Except that when Brodeur took the Brodeur discount Lou had many more years left, by the time that choice comes for Zach he might think differently of the organization's long-term chances considering Lou won't be the GM for his whole career the way he was for Marty's.

But either one could by then. Or another team. A lot could happen between now and then.

The end of his current contract leaves him as a RFA still. And who knows how long his next contract will be for.

Ava's trade Ryan Smyth to L.A
"Details to follow"
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283667

Parise is due for his seven million. If *WE* don't give him that, WE might as well fold up our franchise.

Are you really comparing the New Jersey Devils to the Columbus Blue Jackets?

Ryan Smyth to Los Angeles for D Kyle Quincey, D Tom Priessing and a 5th round pick

if dustin penner and his horrible contract, andrew cogliano, and ladislav smid gets heatley and now kyle quincey, tom preissing and his horrible contract, and a 5th got ryan smyth, maybe lou should try to pull the trigger on some sort of trade...

if dustin penner and his horrible contract, andrew cogliano, and ladislav smid gets heatley and now kyle quincey, tom preissing and his horrible contract, and a 5th got ryan smyth, maybe lou should try to pull the trigger on some sort of trade...

Yes, but Heatley is a whiny little ***** who demanded a trade because he cares more about himself than his team. Not to mention his $7.5 million cap hit. And Smyth has a horrible contract all his own...

if dustin penner and his horrible contract, andrew cogliano, and ladislav smid gets heatley and now kyle quincey, tom preissing and his horrible contract, and a 5th got ryan smyth, maybe lou should try to pull the trigger on some sort of trade...

Quincey is a 23 year old two-way defenseman who put up more than half a point per game (38 points in 72 games) last year on a non-playoff team. Not to mention that at 550,000, he's probably the best bargain in the league, and he's an RFA next year. Pressing has some positive traits despite the contract (which Quincey's bargain price kind of negates for at least this year).

youch, someone is trying to cash in on Tavaresmania.

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link didn't work. What did it say.

link didn't work. What did it say.

works for me. it's just a ticketmaster ST sale for the Isles.

they still want over $100 a game for those CI seats. if you buy tickets by Monday, you get to meet Tavares.

Now that the Avs have got 2 puck-moving d-men I think Lou should try and make a move for J-M Liles.

burnside just wrote a ****in retarded article about how lou is sitting on his hands and how the devils arent changing like the habs, rangers, or blackhawks...i guess he measures a teams turnover by how many free agents a team signs...retard firecrotch

burnside just wrote a ****in retarded article about how lou is sitting on his hands and how the devils arent changing like the habs, rangers, or blackhawks...i guess he measures a teams turnover by how many free agents a team signs...retard firecrotch

It's like clockwork with that rambling hack every offseason. His act is old and played out.

"devils are done. They're on the decline. They'll finish 12th in the conference. yada yada blah blah eat my *** etc etc"

You'd think at some point one would shut their hole after being fed crow year after year.

It's like clockwork with that rambling hack every offseason. His act is old and played out.

"devils are done. They're on the decline. They'll finish 12th in the conference. yada yada blah blah eat my *** etc etc"

You'd think at some point one would shut their hole after being fed crow year after year.

Im an outsider but i might as well add that him and Pierre lebrun's stupid opinions change every day. They are the two biggest BS reporters in the league IMHO.

ESPN hockey writers:

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burnside just wrote a ****in retarded article about how lou is sitting on his hands and how the devils arent changing like the habs, rangers, or blackhawks...i guess he measures a teams turnover by how many free agents a team signs...retard firecrotch

Every year, the thinks the team that signed the most shiny new free agents is the "big winner," despite how much they lost. Even on "name" players alone, Montreal lost more than they gained.

burnside just wrote a ****in retarded article about how lou is sitting on his hands and how the devils arent changing like the habs, rangers, or blackhawks...i guess he measures a teams turnover by how many free agents a team signs...retard firecrotch

Burnside is also the idiot who says we won't make the playoffs every year. Dumbest hockey writer ever.

I'd like for Lou to make a run for J-M Liles. He's only 28, has a good contract (4.2M$ cap hit over 3 years), would cost us less then Kaberle (same cap hit but Liles is signed for one more year) and would bring some offense to our D.

Pandolfo and a 5th round pick :naughty:

I'd like for Lou to make a run for J-M Liles. He's only 28, has a good contract (4.2M$ cap hit over 3 years), would cost us less then Kaberle (same cap hit but Liles is signed for one more year) and would bring some offense to our D.

Pandolfo and a 5th round pick :naughty:

i just came here to post that

im not sure how i feel about liles though, if we get him we wont have space for a forward and im not sure if liles is worth the 4 mil plus

I would love to see something worked out sending maybe one of our 3mil dmen, salvador or white in for liles.
I want pando gone, but I really want to work a young guy in the lineup and I'd rather add one of those two so your only adding about a mill and half to the cap.

I like the idea of more cap space every day.

I still think that the longer koivu sits out the more likly he is come here on a year by year trial till cormier, henrique or josefson are ready

so is there any more recent news on the chicago **** up? id guess that IF those players became free agents, im sure whatever teams poached them away via that technicality could prob kiss future deals with the hawks goodbye.

I don't know who this person is, but this was a really good read. Very smart points. This definitely echoes my feelings about this whole thing.

http://my.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?user_id=46867&post_id=7951

Most of us wanted this, and now we're getting it.

I don't know who this person is, but this was a really good read. Very smart points. This definitely echoes my feelings about this whole thing.

http://my.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?user_id=46867&post_id=7951

Most of us wanted this, and now we're getting it.

That pretty much sums up my feeling perfectly.

Funny, that same guy wrote that up on my site a few hours prior to the Hockeybuzz posting. Still a level headed look at things.

Oh, yeah, Burnside. Ask if he knows who the second best team in the NHL is since 1993-94. Ask if he knows that only Detroit has been more successful than this team since then. Ask why he thinks this upcoming season will be any different.

I'd be surprised if he had an answer to all of them.

Funny, that same guy wrote that up on my site a few hours prior to the Hockeybuzz posting. Still a level headed look at things.

Oh, yeah, Burnside. Ask if he knows who the second best team in the NHL is since 1993-94. Ask if he knows that only Detroit has been more successful than this team since then. Ask why he thinks this upcoming season will be any different.

I'd be surprised if he had an answer to all of them.

I feel like if we asked him that (and subsequently implied that hockey kept going on after '94) his brain may explode.

I think Lou is hedging his bets that a couple of the remaining UFAs slip even further into the summer. As that happens their bargaining leverage will take a substantial hit since there will be less demand as teams begin to set their rosters for training camp.

Maybe a player like Kotalik could be had on a one year, $2M contract.

if the devils are gonna inject the youth this year, i think andy greene needs to have a permanent spot in the top 6 because i still think he could develop into a good all around defenseman, make mottau #7 if corrente earns a spot outta camp

if the devils are gonna inject the youth this year, i think andy greene needs to have a permanent spot in the top 6 because i still think he could develop into a good all around defenseman, make mottau #7 if corrente earns a spot outta camp
the problem is we have alot of depth on the D with Corrente and Greene coming in and Mottau has been very good for us, there just isn't any room and I wouldn't be surprised if White or Salvador get traded, there's alot of teams that could use a defensive D man, Edmonton for example.

i would cream in my pants if salvador got traded

...I wouldn't be surprised if White or Salvador get traded, there's alot of teams that could use a defensive D man, Edmonton for example.

White has a no trade clause.

I don't know who this person is, but this was a really good read. Very smart points. This definitely echoes my feelings about this whole thing.

http://my.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?user_id=46867&post_id=7951

Most of us wanted this, and now we're getting it.

Great read.

I don't see why people don't want Lemaire. With this guy as the head coach and young kids coming in, he can make sure they play up to their full potential. That's what he's good at.

Imagine Bergfors being the sniper he really is projected to be?
Halischuk?
Corrente?
Frazee?

C'mon guys, give this guy a chance. THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!

why is Lemaire good with kids? where did this come from? the only thing he's good with kids is burying them behind grinders and goons.

why is Lemaire good with kids? where did this come from? the only thing he's good with kids is burying them behind grinders and goons.

"Lemaire is also known to be one of the best coaches for working with and meshing both young players and veterans. He spends much time in evolving young rookies to reach potential and demands adaptation from veterans to perfect his hockey system."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Lemaire

"Lemaire is also known to be one of the best coaches for working with and meshing both young players and veterans. He spends much time in evolving young rookies to reach potential and demands adaptation from veterans to perfect his hockey system."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Lemaire

well, whoever wrote that wiki article doesn't have very good knowledge of Lemaire's post Robinson tenure with the Devils.

or really, really likes Lemaire.

if you're wiki-ing, I take you weren't around back hen.

I was in kindergarten as the Devils won their 2nd cup. :cry:

why is Lemaire good with kids? where did this come from? the only thing he's good with kids is burying them behind grinders and goons.
what???
I think he had a great influence on alot of young prospects in minny, look at Mikko Koivu, Bouchard, Miettinen.. hell even 37 year old Owen Nolan had his best year under Lemaire since his San Jose days, do you think Burns would be the player he his now if he didn't play under Lemaire?
We're gonna have alot of young guys this year and I really think Lemaire is the perfect choice.

In fairness Jacques became a lot better with kids out of neccesity in Minnesota, he did take over an expansion team after all.

Now that the Avs have got 2 puck-moving d-men I think Lou should try and make a move for J-M Liles.
Do you want us to be like Chicago and get choked to death by the salary cap?

I like Liles, but it's not smart at this time.

I was in kindergarten as the Devils won their 2nd cup. :cry:
That makes me feel old, and I have no business feeling old.

I was in kindergarten as the Devils won their 2nd cup. :cry:

So what are you, like 13 or 14 years old?

what???
I think he had a great influence on alot of young prospects in minny, look at Mikko Koivu, Bouchard, Miettinen.. hell even 37 year old Owen Nolan had his best year under Lemaire since his San Jose days, do you think Burns would be the player he his now if he didn't play under Lemaire?
We're gonna have alot of young guys this year and I really think Lemaire is the perfect choice.

Bob Carpenter
1997-98 New Jersey Devils NHL 66 9 9 18

Brendan Morrison
1997-98 New Jersey Devils NHL 11 5 4 9

wanna guess when those 11 games were? and with the same linemates, too. Jesus, if he was good with kids, Carp would be out on his ass, Morrison was on pace to match Carp's point total in 44 less games.

games played, 98 playoffs

Patrik Elias 5
Scott Daniels 1

wanna guess who played the day Elias was scratched healthy?

I don't care what he did in Minnesota, expansion teams are a beggars can't be choosers situation.

So what are you, like 13 or 14 years old?

Yep, 14

Yep, 14

Damn, I thought I was the youngest one here and I'm 17

that's what I mean, people who are high on Lemaire couldn't have been around during those years... or if the were, they just pull 1995 over their eyes. he pissed away a few years before everything got straightened out.

at least this crawl to name a coach makes it less likely it's actually Lemaire.

Damn, I thought I was the youngest one here and I'm 17

I actually turn 17 this september :)

That makes me feel old, and I have no business feeling old.

at least I know there's people older than me. I wasn't 100% sure, originally, other than Muttley

I'm going to feel old when I see drafted players that are younger than me. I'm 17 right now (born in 1992) and it's freaking me out to see everyone drafted being born in 1991. I'm sure I'm not going to get any sympathy on this matter though.

at least I know there's people older than me. I wasn't 100% sure, originally, other than Muttley
There are people on these forums who have no memory of the 1994 loss to the Rangers in the ECF. How can you really, truly hate the Rangers if you don't remember that game?

There are people on these forums who have no memory of the 1994 loss to the Rangers in the ECF. How can you really, truly hate the Rangers if you don't remember that game?
Easily.

There are people on these forums who have no memory of the 1994 loss to the Rangers in the ECF. How can you really, truly hate the Rangers if you don't remember that game?

lol, you need to go to a Devils-Rangers game at the Rock. I'd say MSG, but there's less of a scuzz factor there. the scuzz shoe is on the other foot sometimes.

I could have cared less about the Rangers for around 8-9 years. then the Rock opened.

I still don't care who our next coach is. Although I do love how people will bash Lemaire on his "track record" and then turn around and say they want a rookie head coach with no track record. Seems kind of silly. To each his own I guess.

I want a new fresh coach to go with a new fresh team.

lol, the scuzziness of the Ranger fans at the Rock (well, most of them), reminds me of the scuzziest moment I've ever been involved in at a hockey game.

Alright, in playoff games, when big goals are scored, I tend to overcelebrate a tad. Actually fainted twice from forgetting to breathe during my ranting and raving celebration, once when Sykora won game 4 against the Avs (but I was in the middle of the row, so I was propped up.), the second in Ottawa when Friesen scored in Game 7 and that one, I basically terrorized a row of business people and children. I was at the end of the row, and hit the ground... and then continued my celebration down there. Was on the wrong side of the rink, or this would have been on both Sportscenters and probably on Youtube. it would have been awesome for lip-readers, too.

anyways, I digress. well, in 2000, Claude tied Game 4 against the Leafs... and I had one of my patented overcelebrations. there was some older guy and his kids, leafs fans with the flag and all, and me and my drunken buddy kinda ragged on them....

then the Leafs won the game late. the kid taps me on the shoudler, he's like 14, and he says, "suck my ****, you ****ing **********" (bonus points for people who can figure out what he said)... and the dad sits there nodding in approval. what do you do to your children in Canada? :laugh:

I want a new fresh coach to go with a new fresh team.

I agree! However its Lou and we never kno what he is thinking. I understand bring in someone who is good with young players but i would think u want someone who will be here for a while also. Its tough but i kno Lou will find the best coach for this team and its players he has not been slacking in that area at all.

In Lou We Trust!!!!

lol, the scuzziness of the Ranger fans at the Rock (well, most of them), reminds me of the scuzziest moment I've ever been involved in at a hockey game.

Alright, in playoff games, when big goals are scored, I tend to overcelebrate a tad. Actually fainted twice from forgetting to breathe during my ranting and raving celebration, once when Sykora won game 4 against the Avs (but I was in the middle of the row, so I was propped up.), the second in Ottawa when Friesen scored in Game 7 and that one, I basically terrorized a row of business people and children. I was at the end of the row, and hit the ground... and then continued my celebration down there. Was on the wrong side of the rink, or this would have been on both Sportscenters and probably on Youtube. it would have been awesome for lip-readers, too.

anyways, I digress. well, in 2000, Claude tied Game 4 against the Leafs... and I had one of my patented overcelebrations. there was some older guy and his kids, leafs fans with the flag and all, and me and my drunken buddy kinda ragged on them....

then the Leafs won the game late. the kid taps me on the shoudler, he's like 14, and he says, "suck my ****, you ****ing **********" (bonus points for people who can figure out what he said)... and the dad sits there nodding in approval. what do you do to your children in Canada? :laugh:

hahaha gotta love that ****

That makes me feel old, and I have no business feeling old.

That makes me feel old too, and I'm only 19.

There are people on these forums who have no memory of the 1994 loss to the Rangers in the ECF. How can you really, truly hate the Rangers if you don't remember that game?

I remember it. And I was 4.

I have a very good memory, unfortunately, that's when I became a Devils fan.

I remember it. And I was 4.

I have a very good memory, unfortunately, that's when I became a Devils fan.

Same. I was six. My dad was livid. I cried and became a Devils fan.

We need to do this, but about getting a defenseman, center, not making the playoffs, getting a coach who will stay, etc.

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There are people on these forums who have no memory of the 1994 loss to the Rangers in the ECF. How can you really, truly hate the Rangers if you don't remember that game?

I only started following hockey in 1994, so after the Rangers beat the Devils, I actually rooted for them (blasphemy, I know).

My full blown hatrid of the Rangers really didn't come until the series in 1997, when I went to a few games. The combination of Messier's jackassery and the douchebaggery of the Rags fans who showed up made me see the light 100%

There are people on these forums who have no memory of the 1994 loss to the Rangers in the ECF. How can you really, truly hate the Rangers if you don't remember that game?

I'm 21 but I've only really been following the Devils for a few years now, so I don't have any vivid memories of anything, even the '03 Cup. I don't remember the game, but that commercial from VS about the 94 ECF game still drove me crazy this postseason, and reasons to HATE the Rangers aren't limited to that game.

I was 6 years old when I went to my first Devils game. I had a Devils jersey on, and a Rangers fan took offense to that.

He spat on me.

I hate Rangers fans.

I feel old like cj now.

Yep, 14

Wow, that's makes me feel old. I'll be 19 in October. :cry:

Haha teenagers complaining about being old.

Despite being 14 I clearly remember Game 7 of the 2003 Cup. That was my game of hockey I've watched.

I'm going to feel old when I see drafted players that are younger than me. I'm 17 right now (born in 1992) and it's freaking me out to see everyone drafted being born in 1991. I'm sure I'm not going to get any sympathy on this matter though.

Ha. It won't be long until you're an age where players your age are cautiously getting their last long term contracts.

There are people on these forums who have no memory of the 1994 loss to the Rangers in the ECF. How can you really, truly hate the Rangers if you don't remember that game?

the rangers have done evil awful things to your favorite organization that happened before 1994?

There are people on these forums who have no memory of the 1994 loss to the Rangers in the ECF. How can you really, truly hate the Rangers if you don't remember that game?

i remember it and i remember it well. when Zelepukin tied it up late a friend of mine called the house and woke up my parents, lol. stupid soccer tournament got in the way and i had to go to sleep after the first OT. got up early and caught the end of the replay...and :cry: and :cry: and :cry: and :cry:...why did my soccer team have to be full of moronic Rangers fans?

lol, you need to go to a Devils-Rangers game at the Rock. I'd say MSG, but there's less of a scuzz factor there. the scuzz shoe is on the other foot sometimes.

I could have cared less about the Rangers for around 8-9 years. then the Rock opened.

yeah, i went to plenty of Rangers games at CAA and never really had an issue with Rangers fans but they are something else at the Rock. :shakehead


anyways, I digress. well, in 2000, Claude tied Game 4 against the Leafs... and I had one of my patented overcelebrations. there was some older guy and his kids, leafs fans with the flag and all, and me and my drunken buddy kinda ragged on them....

then the Leafs won the game late. the kid taps me on the shoudler, he's like 14, and he says, "suck my ****, you ****ing **********" (bonus points for people who can figure out what he said)... and the dad sits there nodding in approval. what do you do to your children in Canada? :laugh:

my first playoff game. went with my dad and i still can see the Leafs fans celebrating in the upper level we they took the lead :(

but my god was that an awesome experience when Lemieux scored. just lotsa noise :yo:

oh, gimme my bonus points: c********r

Same. I was six. My dad was livid. I cried and became a Devils fan.

i was 9. i guess this cemented my fandom. if i could cry over it, it mustve meant a lot

the rangers have done evil awful things to your favorite organization that happened before 1994?

well, we DID knock them out of the playoffs and took their spotin 1988!!!

When players you remember seeing in junior are now nicely settled into the Hall of Fame, then you can start think about getting old.

the rangers have done evil awful things to your favorite organization that happened before 1994?

well, they did beat us in 7 in 1992 when they had that little pusillanimous pipsqueak Tie Domi

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Wow, I'm looking at San Jose right now, and they are in a horrendous position. A little over 1.3 in cap space left and they only have 8 forwards signed. I definitely see a defenseman/Marleau being traded. They need to, especially since they signed Huskins and re-signed Clowe.

Pandawful for Erhoff. Straight up.

I remember game 6 vividly because I couldn't watch it. Stupid report or something I had to do for school, I remember when my dad came in and told me they were winning. I was so excited...and then it all went wrong.

I still think about when I went to game 3 and the breakaway that Albelin got right before Matteau's goal. Richter made one of the craziest saves I've ever seen. Walking back through the tunnel to our car after that game really cemented my hatred for the Rangers. To this day when I find out someone's a Ranger fan my first thought is always "How could that be?"

Coach tomorrow ? Yes ? No ? Maybe ?

There are people on these forums who have no memory of the 1994 loss to the Rangers in the ECF. How can you really, truly hate the Rangers if you don't remember that game?

I was 6 and I remember it, though I wasn't a Devils fan then. I was furious when Matteau won it for the Rangers, because I was a Whalers fan and had an obligation to hate the Rangers.

There are people on these forums who have no memory of the 1994 loss to the Rangers in the ECF. How can you really, truly hate the Rangers if you don't remember that game?

Exactly. I think some of the "younger" fans (by that I mean years in fandom, not actual age) probably hate the Rangers for the simple sake of them being our closest rivals. But I honestly think it can be argued that 92-94 probably cemented this rivalry as one of the most intense and violent in all of sports.

I truly think it's ALL of sports too, not just hockey. However, it's also my honest opinion that on the ice, the rivalry became stagnant during the years of suck the Rangers endured from 1997 until they finally made the playoffs only to get absolutely **** on by us. The true rivalry these days is often more evident in the stands than it is on the ice at times.

The reason I love Sean Avery being in NY, besides being over-hyped, man-crushed to death and basically giving a false sense of "We're better with him.." is that he has solely revived the on-ice rivalry back to where it once was, to some extent. It doesn't do much for my overall health, but I can't say I don't love the tension and aggression each game brings.

But realistically, you can't fully understand the hate for the NY Rangers and their overly-nostalgic feelings of 1994 unless you lived through that dreadful series. Especially when you were me and made a bet with your uncle which you lost and had to mow his lawn in complete humility (which is quite large and difficult) for an entire summer and the call always seemed to come when it was 99 degrees and humid.

I still believe to this day that we could have walked through Vancouver in less than 7 games if we didn't fall flat on our faces in the conference finals. That alone is a hard pill to swallow, the rest speaks for itself.

almost everyone i went to school with was a ranger fan. save for my best friend and a few other kids. i dont think they knew what to make of the only devil fan since they were so used to mocking the isles fans. then again 12 year olds are cruel either way so it didnt matter what team i was a fan of. it was just a nightmare when the rags beat the devs and went on to win in 94. i just never heard the end of it:facepalm:. that is of course, until the following year:yo:.

As much as I despise them the rivalry is better with them being relevant again. As much fun as it was kicking their ***** up and down the ice for four or five years, it means much more to beat a better team.

As much as I despise them the rivalry is better with them being relevant again. As much fun as it was kicking their ***** up and down the ice for four or five years, it means much more to beat a better team.
I was thrilled when they became competitive again. As fun as walking all over them was, it (like all things) eventually got old.

I'm 16 and I really don't remember any of the Stanley Cups. I know I did watch it but I wasn't really as big of a fan as I am now.

I feel old like cj now.

Now you're gonna get it...

Lamoriello said there is "no timetable" as far as naming a new head coach. He also suggested the current group of six players will be the team's defense next season. That is Paul Martin, Oduya, Bryce Salvador, Colin White, Greene and Mike Mottau.

"Right now we have our six defensemen that we had last year," Lamoriello said. "We had a pretty good defense last year. There is no question Paul will get better and Johnny Oduya and Andy Greene. If we could have gotten better there, we would have. Bringing Johnny back was important. And no question we think Andy is going to get better and better."


http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2009/07/post_5.html

:facepalm:

http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2009/07/post_5.html

:facepalm:
I can live with that... so long as we actually GET A REAL ONE at the deadline.

http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2009/07/post_5.html

:facepalm:

Lamoriello said there is "no timetable" as far as naming a new head coach. He also suggested the current group of six players will be the team's defense next season. That is Paul Martin, Oduya, Bryce Salvador, Colin White, Greene and Mike Mottau.

"Right now we have our six defensemen that we had last year," Lamoriello said. "We had a pretty good defense last year. There is no question Paul will get better and Johnny Oduya and Andy Greene. If we could have gotten better there, we would have. Bringing Johnny back was important. And no question we think Andy is going to get better and better."


Well he's not gonna say to the entire world that his D sucks and that we're in desperate need of a puck moving defencemen to Qb our lame ass PP or else he'd be giving away any kind of leverage once he starts negotiations... no :dunno:

I mean if we, the fans, can clearly identify this "problem", I'm sure Lou's all over it... I ****ing hope so anyways !!!

I can live with that... so long as we actually GET A REAL ONE at the deadline.

Off the top of your head - do you know any decent defenders that will be in the last year or two of their contracts this season?

Obviously the big names on D at this deadline were Bouwmeester, Pronger, and Niedermayer.

Off the top of your head - do you know any decent defenders that will be in the last year or two of their contracts this season?

Obviously the big names on D at this deadline were Bouwmeester, Pronger, and Niedermayer.

http://nhlnumbers.com/freeagents.php?team=none&pos=D&summer=2010&status=ufa&type=none

http://nhlnumbers.com/freeagents.php?team=none&pos=D&summer=2010&status=ufa&type=none

Thanks.

Going by that list, I'd look at one of Mitchell, Robidas, Exelby, or Lebda. Any of those guys would allow us to make one or two more moves salary-wise.

Thanks.

Going by that list, I'd look at one of Mitchell, Robidas, Exelby, or Lebda. Any of those guys would allow us to make one or two more moves salary-wise.
Volchenkov, volchenkov, volchenkov.

Volchenkov, volchenkov, volchenkov.

If Ottawa shops him, hell yeah. One of the best, if not the best hitter in the league. He's a guy that can lay the wood on a consistent basis but doesn't let it hurt him positionally too often. That's something we've been missing since well, you know.

Off the top of your head - do you know any decent defenders that will be in the last year or two of their contracts this season?

Obviously the big names on D at this deadline were Bouwmeester, Pronger, and Niedermayer.
Not off the top of my head. But with a little research: Chara in two years, Seabrook and Keith are both RFA in one or two years, McCabe in two seasons (I still think McCabe is very underrated), Markov in two seasons, Volchenkov (although he's not what we need), Pronger of course, Ed Jovanovski, Gonchar, Kaberle in two seasons...

Although I think it's as possible we get someone not on that list as on the list.

Edit: Beaten to it, huh.

If Ottawa shops him, hell yeah. One of the best, if not the best hitter in the league. He's a guy that can lay the wood on a consistent basis but doesn't let it hurt him positionally too often. That's something we've been missing since well, you know.

What I like most about Volchenkov is his willingness to give up the body to block shots. He has an insane number of blocked shots every year, which is a testament to his sound positioning.

What I like most about Volchenkov is his willingness to give up the body to block shots. He has an insane number of blocked shots every year, which is a testament to his sound positioning.
But Lou and Marty aren't too crazy about defensemen that block many shots are they? I mean, I like Volchenkov but I'm not sure he'd fit well in New Jersey.

But Lou and Marty aren't too crazy about defensemen that block many shots are they? I mean, I like Volchenkov but I'm not sure he'd fit well in New Jersey.
When you're as good as Volchenkov it's worth it. I was watching some highlights from '95 and '00, it was amazing how many dangerous shots Stevens blocked.

But Lou and Marty aren't too crazy about defensemen that block many shots are they? I mean, I like Volchenkov but I'm not sure he'd fit well in New Jersey.

That is true, and it's something I've never understood. The less shots that make it to the goal, the less you'll get scored on. Shot blocking is huge in the playoffs, example Scuderi. As a lacrosse goalies I love it when my defencemen block a shot for me. But I guess that's the way Marty likes it.

I want Lemaire for no other reason other that I believe it will rejuvinate Brodeur

I want Lemaire for no other reason other that I believe it will rejuvinate Brodeur

What's wrong with Brodeur?

Alright Now... I have an off topic question that I don't really want to start a new thread about because I dont want this to me misconstrued as trying to Flame the Rangers..

But what the F does everyone think is on these DVD's that I've been hearing about since the Holik signing that go out to their free agent targets?.. Holike mentioned them, Gomez..Now Gaborik

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/rangers/2009/07/video-culled-the-rangers-new-s.html

.. I would give anything to actually watch one of these things.

I'm imagining an advertisement for a super luxurious training facility and models everywhere... Stanley Cup nowhere to be found.

Maybe Al Trautwig can answer this one...lol

That is true, and it's something I've never understood. The less shots that make it to the goal, the less you'll get scored on. Shot blocking is huge in the playoffs, example Scuderi. As a lacrosse goalies I love it when my defencemen block a shot for me. But I guess that's the way Marty likes it.

I think it's just a higher probability of the puck being deflected and going in. Marty is facing more shots because less are being blocked, butthey are coming from worse angles.

Alright Now... I have an off topic question that I don't really want to start a new thread about because I dont want this to me misconstrued as trying to Flame the Rangers..

But what the F does everyone think is on these DVD's that I've been hearing about since the Holik signing that go out to their free agent targets?.. Holike mentioned them, Gomez..Now Gaborik

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/rangers/2009/07/video-culled-the-rangers-new-s.html

.. I would give anything to actually watch one of these things.

I'm imagining an advertisement for a super luxurious training facility and models everywhere... Stanley Cup nowhere to be found.

Maybe Al Trautwig can answer this one...lol

Its probably just some loud voice thats say, "ELEVENTY GAZILLION DOLLARS CAN BE ALL YOURS IF YOU PLAY FOR THE RANGERS"

or some vids of the naked cowboy.

Alright Now... I have an off topic question that I don't really want to start a new thread about because I dont want this to me misconstrued as trying to Flame the Rangers..

But what the F does everyone think is on these DVD's that I've been hearing about since the Holik signing that go out to their free agent targets?.. Holike mentioned them, Gomez..Now Gaborik

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/rangers/2009/07/video-culled-the-rangers-new-s.html

.. I would give anything to actually watch one of these things.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/rangers/2009/07/video-culled-the-rangers-new-s.html#ixzz0KRgesyP0&D

I'm imagining an advertisement for a super luxurious training facility and models everywhere... Stanley Cup nowhere to be found.

Maybe Al Trautwig can answer this one...lol


"And yes, let’s be honest, there were 37,500,000 other reasons for the 27-year-old Slovak to be impressed."


That sums it up and sums up the NYR the best.

All these "being impressed" about videotape/DVD presentations is just pure nonsense. They are not a special franchise that doesn't anything different, other than throw $$$$ around,

Gaborik is just kissing the usual New York media a$$. You have to do that when you play here. Yawn.

Even with a salary cap, the NYR are STILL a team that players go to for the money. Winning a Championship is secondary.

"And yes, let’s be honest, there were 37,500,000 other reasons for the 27-year-old Slovak to be impressed."


That sums it up and sums up the NYR the best.

All these "being impressed" about videotape/DVD presentations is just pure nonsense. They are not a special franchise that doesn't anything different, other than throw $$$$ around,

Gaborik is just kissing the usual New York media a$$. You have to do that when you play here. Yawn.

Even with a salary cap, the NYR are STILL a team that players go to for the money. Winning a Championship is secondary.
Truth. Sather as a GM has been a disaster because of his compulsive nature.

Truth. Sather as a GM has been a disaster because of his compulsive nature.

And Dolan's got his head up his ass so Slats still has a job.

Players also might be attracted to the idea of playing in New York City. I mean it's a great city but players won't be so heavily scrutinized as they would be if they played in say Montreal or Toronto.

****in hysterical that those idiot skirts fans pull out the "everyone wants to play in the biggest city in the U.S and in the historic MSG."

Right.

Then why do you have to overpay out the *** to get all those players there? Who has actually taken less money to go to the rags?

Like muttley said, players go there for $$$. Nothing else. Sather is a bumbling moron who doesn't have the first clue about building a cup-caliber team. There's turnover on that team year, after year, after year. Not how you win a cup. It's like every year he just tries to throw a bunch of ish at the wall and see what sticks.

didn't see this posted (didn't look too hard either)

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283730

Barker and Versteeg possibly made into UFAs. New Jersey had the same issue back in 2000 with Rafalski and Madden...

didn't see this posted (didn't look too hard either)

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283730

Barker and Versteeg made into UFAs. New Jersey had the same issue back in 2000 with Rafalski and Madden...

It has been discussed. That said I suggest you re-read the article. They have not been made into UFA's yet, and may not become UFA's. The latest is that the NHL has concluded its end of the investigation is awaiting word from the PA if they will take action.

didn't see this posted (didn't look too hard either)

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283730

Barker and Versteeg made into UFAs. New Jersey had the same issue back in 2000 with Rafalski and Madden...

If the NHL grants leniency and attempts to sweep this issue away, it's expected the NHLPA will swiftly file a grievance and the matter will go to a hearing.

Better not - we had to pay the penalty - Chicago better have to do the same.

It has been discussed. That said I suggest you re-read the article. They have not been made into UFA's yet, and may not become UFA's. The latest is that the NHL has concluded its end of the investigation is awaiting word from the PA if they will take action.

updated. No re-reading needed, just clarification provided

Looking at our lineup now, what do you guys think we will eventually end up with in October?

At first I was only gonna include players under contract, but I think it's pretty safe to say that Zajac will be around by then.

Parise - Zajac - Langenbrunner
Elias - Rolston - Bergfors
Pandolfo - Zubrus - Clarkson
Leblond - Pelley - Pikkarainen

Extra: ______

Oduya - Martin
White - Mottau
Salvador - Greene

Extra: ______

Brodeur
Backup

This is obviously not the finalized roster, and I'm sure we'll see a couple of additions before all is said and done. And of course training camp will determine who and where guys will play, but this is just sort of a current look of our roster.

I know there's a strong possibility that Shanahan will be back and he might have a place on the 3rd-4th lines. That probably means that Pikkarainen falls out from the lineup above.

There's also an extra spot on D, and that could either be fixed through free agency or from within our own system. Depending on what the Devils feel about Corrente's and Eckford's chances - i.e letting them develop one more year in Lowell or bringing them up to learn on the fly. Maybe a guy like Fraser is a safer bet because of his style of play?

And there's also that backup question? It will either be Weekes or Frazee IMO. I'd rather have a veteran like Weekes in that role, but if the Devils are serious about giving Marty more rest then it probably would be a better choice to let Frazee get some games under his belt.

Thoughts?

Looking at our lineup now, what do you guys think we will eventually end up with in October?

At first I was only gonna include players under contract, but I think it's pretty safe to say that Zajac will be around by then.

Parise - Zajac - Langenbrunner
Elias - Rolston - Bergfors
Pandolfo - Zubrus - Clarkson
Leblond - Pelley - Pikkarainen

Extra: ______

Oduya - Martin
White - Mottau
Salvador - Greene

Extra: ______

Brodeur
Backup

This is obviously not the finalized roster, and I'm sure we'll see a couple of additions before all is said and done. And of course training camp will determine who and where guys will play, but this is just sort of a current look of our roster.

I know there's a strong possibility that Shanahan will be back and he might have a place on the 3rd-4th lines. That probably means that Pikkarainen falls out from the lineup above.

There's also an extra spot on D, and that could either be fixed through free agency or from within our own system. Depending on what the Devils feel about Corrente's and Eckford's chances - i.e letting them develop one more year in Lowell or bringing them up to learn on the fly. Maybe a guy like Fraser is a safer bet because of his style of play?

And there's also that backup question? It will either be Weekes or Frazee IMO. I'd rather have a veteran like Weekes in that role, but if the Devils are serious about giving Marty more rest then it probably would be a better choice to let Frazee get some games under his belt.

Thoughts?
I like that fourth line. It could be pretty intimidating, especially when you take into account that nobody, particularly opponents, knows anything about Pikkarainen. He could be a spawn of Mike Tyson for all they know.

yea but i hate the fact that Pando is on the 3rd line

yea but i hate the fact that Pando is on the 3rd line

If Shanahan comes back, Pandolfo is the healthy scratch.

It sucks having a 2.5M cap hit as a healthy scratch.

Looking at our lineup now, what do you guys think we will eventually end up with in October?

At first I was only gonna include players under contract, but I think it's pretty safe to say that Zajac will be around by then.

Parise - Zajac - Langenbrunner
Elias - Rolston - Bergfors
Pandolfo - Zubrus - Clarkson
Leblond - Pelley - Pikkarainen

Extra: ______

Oduya - Martin
White - Mottau
Salvador - Greene

Extra: ______

Brodeur
Backup

This is obviously not the finalized roster, and I'm sure we'll see a couple of additions before all is said and done. And of course training camp will determine who and where guys will play, but this is just sort of a current look of our roster.

I know there's a strong possibility that Shanahan will be back and he might have a place on the 3rd-4th lines. That probably means that Pikkarainen falls out from the lineup above.

There's also an extra spot on D, and that could either be fixed through free agency or from within our own system. Depending on what the Devils feel about Corrente's and Eckford's chances - i.e letting them develop one more year in Lowell or bringing them up to learn on the fly. Maybe a guy like Fraser is a safer bet because of his style of play?

And there's also that backup question? It will either be Weekes or Frazee IMO. I'd rather have a veteran like Weekes in that role, but if the Devils are serious about giving Marty more rest then it probably would be a better choice to let Frazee get some games under his belt.

Thoughts?

The last spot could be Shanny with BigFin and P3L rotating. Maybe Halischuk I think Corrente has a great camp ends boots someone out of the lineup as the 7th dman and he takes the 6th spot. Not to mention the possible signing of a 2nd or 3rd line center which changes alot also.

Camp will be fun to watch and go through this year

I think we need another forward to platoon with Shanahan on the third line.

Yeah, but as of right now there's not anyone else that can play LW on the third line. Shanahan is not our property just yet, and we all know how Lou feels about Pando.

The third line gets a lot of icetime and the Devils want a defensive forward there. Considering Pandolfo's contract and his history with the Devils it's highly unlikely he goes anywhere unless it's via trade.

Pandolfo has had that 3rd line LW position forever and I don't think anyone in our organization will take it from him just yet. And if Lemaire becomes our head coach Pando's future with the Devils is pretty safe IMO.

I honestly think that Pando is getting a little bit too much of hate around these parts. I'll reserve my judgment on him until the end of training camp.

http://www.chrispronger.com/

:laugh:

I honestly think that Pando is getting a little bit too much of hate around these parts. I'll reserve my judgment on him until the end of training camp.

I think he's just sort of the posterboy for the "old guard" ... and especially now, since everyone else is gone :laugh: - fact is he came off of his benching hungry and looking better than he had in the past 2 years. I guess people are just afraid that the team will remain defensive as a whole because he's on the roster. Personally I think his impact on the team is far greater when reading a piece of paper with the lineup on it than it is on the ice.

I have no problem with Pandolfo on the fourth line. But even at his best, the man completely eliminates the offensive potential of the line he's on. I don't want him with Zubrus and Clarkson, as it wastes the offensive potential they both have (although I think Clarkson would produce anyway).

http://www.chrispronger.com/

:laugh:

It's just physics.

I have no problem with Pandolfo on the fourth line. But even at his best, the man completely eliminates the offensive potential of the line he's on. I don't want him with Zubrus and Clarkson, as it wastes the offensive potential they both have (although I think Clarkson would produce anyway).

We forget he's just a season removed from better offensive numbers. If we use him as a strict pk'er shut down guy, then we're screwed. Otherwise, just play him, and I think he'll be alright.

It's just physics.
http://sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Mr._Lauren_Pronger

We forget he's just a season removed from better offensive numbers. If we use him as a strict pk'er shut down guy, then we're screwed. Otherwise, just play him, and I think he'll be alright.
As I said following that season, it was the definition of an aberration. It was late in his career and represented a season where everything suddenly just seemed to come together all of a sudden. His offense was dramatically better than it had ever been previously. Expecting a return to that standard - especially since Pandolfo's offense is all transition, not possession, and the line he's going to be on is a possession line if he's with Zubrus - is expecting too much.

http://sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Mr._Lauren_Pronger

Pronger Physics
Chris Pronger received a one game suspension in two seperate series of the 2006-2007 playoffs. In his explanation for why the first incident occured, in which he elbowed Thomas Holmstrom in the head. He gave a vague description that amounted to the fact that because he is so very tall that he could not help that his elbow drilled the opposing player in the head as it was pure physics.


Five games after returning from suspension, Pronger physics were yet again demonstrated after a crushing elbow to Dean McAmmond's head. The speedy Senators centre was suspended for the remainder of the Finals for being too short to contend with Pronger physics.

Formula
F=DE*NSOC/GAQ
Force = Distance from Edmonton (Measured in Martin St. Louiseses) times the Nights Slept on Couch over the General ******* Quotient, or the Rutuuometer.

I'm thinking a bounce back season might be in store for Rolston this year. Hopefully he can turn it around like Zajac did last year.

I like Devilswede's lines but I'd much rather see Shanahan on the third line than Pandolfo. I'd like to move Pandolfo/Salvador to fill one our needs but I just don't see that happening.

i really really wanna see shanny return. hes still got it.

i really really wanna see shanny return. hes still got it.

Me too

I'm thinking a bounce back season might be in store for Rolston this year. Hopefully he can turn it around like Zajac did last year.

I like Devilswede's lines but I'd much rather see Shanahan on the third line than Pandolfo. I'd like to move Pandolfo/Salvador to fill one our needs but I just don't see that happening.

I agree Rolston will have a better year than last. Hopefully he will be used properly by the new coach (on the second line), and thus will have better linemates and more ice time. He is further removed from his injury and that should help him as well.

I want Shanahan to come back on a one year contract. He's still got it and he can be a great mentor to our young players. Clarkson and maybe even Bergfors can learn a lot from the crafty veteran.

I wonder if Edmonton or Chicago would be interested in a trade involving Salvador and/or Pandolfo. They have the young puck moving defencemen that we want, and in return they'd get veteran defensive players, which they want.

I agree Rolston will have a better year than last. Hopefully he will be used properly by the new coach (on the second line), and thus will have better linemates and more ice time. He is further removed from his injury and that should help him as well.

I want Shanahan to come back on a one year contract. He's still got it and he can be a great mentor to our young players. Clarkson and maybe even Bergfors can learn a lot from the crafty veteran.

I wonder if Edmonton or Chicago would be interested in a trade involving Salvador and/or Pandolfo. They have the young puck moving defencemen that we want, and in return they'd get veteran defensive players, which they want.

No way Chicago has any interest in Pandolfo or Salvador given their cap situation. If a guy like Barker is dealt, it will be for picks, prospects, and/or cheap roster players.

I'd consider a Gilbert for Salvador swap, don't think Edmonton would though.

You know what pisses me off? That nobody in the organization or the media can tell me the cap hit on Pikka-whatever's contract and the official cap hit on Oduya's contract.

I like that we're injecting some youth into our offense but I would like to youthanize or euthanize (Looking at you white and salvador) our defense and at least have someone like Corrente playing 40+ games this year

lol still dont get why people hate salvador and/or white

yea we probably dont need both of them but both are good DMen

lol still dont get why people hate salvador and/or white

yea we probably dont need both of them but both are good DMen

I'd be fine if both of them made 2m or less but as of right now theyre contracts are both 1m to expensive and 1-2 years too long

lol still dont get why people hate salvador and/or white

yea we probably dont need both of them but both are good DMen

Right, it's not like we have any other physical defensemen to replace them with besides Corrente. How soft do we want our D to be?

Right, it's not like we have any other physical defensemen to replace them with besides Corrente. How soft do we want our D to be?

Theyre not nearly as physical as they should be, opposing offenses get away with rushing marty or slashing him than they should. I dont care if they take penalties but if someone hits marty he should get a punch straight to his face or a hard slash to the wrist...theyre way to soft in front of the net so if they stepped up that and were like chara or pronger ruthless I wouldnt have a problem

Theyre not nearly as physical as they should be, opposing offenses get away with rushing marty or slashing him than they should. I dont care if they take penalties but if someone hits marty he should get a punch straight to his face or a hard slash to the wrist...theyre way to soft in front of the net so if they stepped up that and were like chara or pronger ruthless I wouldnt have a problem

They're not, but there's no one else doing it either so I don't think we can completely drop one for a puck moving defensemen. Trading Mottau with someone for a puck-mover would make more sense if his cap hit wasn't so low.

Right, it's not like we have any other physical defensemen to replace them with besides Corrente. How soft do we want our D to be?

as soft as our forwards?

er... wait. what?

Theyre not nearly as physical as they should be, opposing offenses get away with rushing marty or slashing him than they should. I dont care if they take penalties but if someone hits marty he should get a punch straight to his face or a hard slash to the wrist...

And a trip to the penalty box.

This is the most overblown argument ever. If the Devils started doing that it would only incite more Marty abuse.

And hey New Jersey is free to do that to the opposition goaltenders too.

Plus, this notion that the team needs to be uber-tough is just ridiculous. I know that's the cliche that has been driven into the brain of every hockey fan since they were little but it simply isn't true. Mental toughness is far and away more important than external physical toughness. Does Detroit have any traditional "tough" players on their team? No. Pittsburgh? Matt Cooke and Brooks Orpik, who else? Carolina's 05-06 team had Mike Commodore and Andrew Ladd, that's about it.

Hockey sense, speed, skills, and mental toughness >>>>>>>>>>>>> physical toughness.

And a trip to the penalty box.

This is the most overblown argument ever. If the Devils started doing that it would only incite more Marty abuse.

And hey New Jersey is free to do that to the opposition goaltenders too.

As I said in my original post they can go to the penalty box but if they dont actually protect marty in front of the net theyre both very expensive pylons

As I said in my original post they can go to the penalty box but if they dont actually protect marty in front of the net theyre both very expensive pylons

Are habitual trips to the penatly box worth preventing a slight bump on Marty every game? Not really.

And White and Salvador are good defensive defenseman. They help prevent goals. They don't need to be idiots (e.g., White circa 2001) and pretend to be tough.

wow, actual signings not involving Raycroft.

Kovalev = Sens
Beauchemin = Leafs

Hab's fans must be throwing themselves off bridges.

higgins signs for 1 yr, 2.25 million

Beauchemin's deal is in the ballpark of Oduya's... 3/$10M

so, I guess that could have been done if we cleared someone out. or his market caved in and he took what he could get.

darn I was really hoping we'd try to get Beachumin, any word on what he signed for? I saw unconfirmed on twitter that it was 3 years/10m. If so that's less than they are paying Finger...

Scratch Francois Beauchemin off your wish list. He just signed with the Laughs for 3 years, 10 million total.

Edit: Me slow

in other news, we still don't have a coach, wtf.

in other news, we still don't have a coach, wtf.

Still not worried, plenty of people available with only 1 job on the market. I'd like to have someone before prospect camp next week though.

so with the Leafs signing Beauchemin i think they have a ton of depth on D...Kaberle, Schenn, Beauchemin, Exelby, etc....think they make a trade of some kind to strengthen their forward corps?

so with the Leafs signing Beauchemin i think they have a ton of depth on D...Kaberle, Schenn, Beauchemin, Exelby, etc....think they make a trade of some kind to strengthen their forward corps?

More then likely.

so with the Leafs signing Beauchemin i think they have a ton of depth on D...Kaberle, Schenn, Beauchemin, Exelby, etc....think they make a trade of some kind to strengthen their forward corps?

crap, here come the Kaberle for Kessel rumors again.

The Leafs are gonna have one heck of a top 6 at the blueline...

Kaberle - Komisarek
Beauchemin - Schenn
Exelby - I. White/Finger

* Stralman and Van Ryn won't see alot of playing time IMO.

It makes our D look like crap... C'mon Lou, you better modify this **** cause I hope you weren't being honest when you said our defense was "ok" the way it his now and the way it was last year.

wow, actual signings not involving Raycroft.

Kovalev = Sens
Beauchemin = Leafs

Raycroft signed with the Canucks...

Raycroft signed with the Canucks...

yeah, I know, but that's more funny than informative.

The Leafs are gonna have one heck of a top 6 at the blueline...

Kaberle - Komisarek
Beauchemin - Schenn
Exelby - I. White/Finger

* Stralman and Van Ryn won't see alot of playing time IMO.

Thats sick but Kabs is most likely on the way out

Kaberle is sooo getting traded now.

Was it Higgins that said the Devils were boring?

The Leafs are gonna have one heck of a top 6 at the blueline...

Kaberle - Komisarek
Beauchemin - Schenn
Exelby - I. White/Finger

* Stralman and Van Ryn won't see alot of playing time IMO.

It makes our D look like crap... C'mon Lou, you better modify this **** cause I hope you weren't being honest when you said our defense was "ok" the way it his now and the way it was last year.

Think Lou would have any interest in Van Ryn??

Was it Higgins that said the Devils were boring?




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Enjoy the Rags....dbag!

The Leafs are gonna have one heck of a top 6 at the blueline...

Kaberle - Komisarek
Beauchemin - Schenn
Exelby - I. White/Finger

* Stralman and Van Ryn won't see alot of playing time IMO.

It makes our D look like crap... C'mon Lou, you better modify this **** cause I hope you weren't being honest when you said our defense was "ok" the way it his now and the way it was last year.

And we complain about the lack of PMD on our team.

Was it Higgins that said the Devils were boring?

Yup, he couldn't stand facing us 4 times per year. I wonder he feels now when he's forced to do it 6 times.... :sarcasm:

Think Lou would have any interest in Van Ryn??

I would trade Salvador for him, but that's pretty redundant on Toronto's part since their cap hits are exactly the same, except Salvador has a longer contract.

Was it Higgins that said the Devils were boring?

I find Higgins pretty boring to watch....

Kovalev is... 2/$10M.

um, yeah, I'm kinda hoping that Zajac going to arbitration got us out of the Koivu "sweepstakes" if that's what Kovalev is going for.

And we complain about the lack of PMD on our team.

For a team this finished in the bottom 10 of the league... they have a better defensive unit then us. Thank god Parise, Elias, Langenbrunner and Zajac all had terrific offensive numbers.

I would trade Salvador for him, but that's pretty redundant on Toronto's part since their cap hits are exactly the same, except Salvador has a longer contract.

Van Ryn in NJ will never happen. We drafted him, he refused to sign with us. He's to us what Blake Wheeler is to Phoenix....

Lou wants no part of Van Ryn...

Van Ryn in NJ will never happen. We drafted him, he refused to sign with us. He's to us what Blake Wheeler is to Phoenix....

Lou wants no part of Van Ryn...

I want no part of Van Ryn. Injury risk aside, I just don't think he's that good.

From the "this can't possibly be true" department.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=660667

Heatley + Campoli for Streit, Neilsen, 2010 1st, 2011 1st.

lol the isles just traded campoli there like 4 months ago...

That... just set the Islanders back two-three years. Trading Streit is astoundingly stupid, but with two first rounders to go with it? Are you insane? I hope that's not true.

Streit is their leading scorer from this season, and those two firsts are likely to be high picks. The Islanders would be getting fleeced with that deal. Snow is turning into Milbury if it's true. Also, I thought Campoli asked to be traded away from LI? Why would they send him right back?

From the "this can't possibly be true" department.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=660667

Heatley + Campoli for Streit, Neilsen, 2010 1st, 2011 1st.

I have a friend who is a disgruntled Isles fan. After they picked Tavares, I wrote "Disaster averted" on his Facebook wall. He responded with "That's one disaster averted." He was right.

It's a rumor.

It's a rumor.

yep, a dead rumor. I should have been clearer, but I thought the "this can't possibly be true" was enough of a disclaimer.

a horrible rumor at that

http://blogs.courierpostonline.com/flyers/2009/07/06/flyers-back-in-the-hunt-for-shanny/

WAKE UP LOU!!!

Maybe he thinks the free agent signings start on August 1st, I dunno.