Rumor: Ducks trying hard to sign Beauchemin

Source: Someone in the Ducks organization

Just reporting what I have been told--Feel free to bash if you don't believe me.

I don't think they ever said they weren't going to try.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Somehow i just got a real nasty feeling about Nieds. Like Gillis offering him 8+M for a year.

Just a feeling, reasonably i still think Nieds will sign with us.

Somehow i just got a real nasty feeling about Nieds. Like Gillis offering him 8+M for a year.

Just a feeling, reasonably i still think Nieds will sign with us.

TSN keeps reporting he's still entertaining offers from other clubs.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/TML-Live

They may try hard to sign Beauchemin, but I get the impression he'd only sign after making sure he gets offers from everywhere else first. Just from the hints that have been in the papers.

They may try hard to sign Beauchemin, but I get the impression he'd only sign after making sure he gets offers from everywhere else first. Just from the hints that have been in the papers.

And he should.. hes a good player and should see what hes worth to other teams

TSN says Beauch is asking for 4 yrs at 4.5M per year. From Montreal.

Apparently Beauchemin is looking for 4 years 4.5 mil.

JESUS!

Just heard on TSN
Beauch looking for 4 year 4.5 mil

Ha, beat you all.

Apparently Beauchemin is looking for 4 years 4.5 mil.

JESUS!

They can have him for that much, he's just not worth that kind of money.

Sad thing is he will probably get that.

I would have no problem giving Beauchemin a 4 year / 16 million contract.

I would have no problem giving Beauchemin a 4 year / 16 million contract.

Too bad that's not what he's asking for.

My gut tells me he'll be a Hab at the end of the day today.......:shakehead

Trade Giguere--Sign Beauchemin and Koivu.

Next season:

Lupul - Getzlaf - Perry
Ryan - Koivu - Selanne
Miller - Marchant - Nokia
Brown - Carter - Parros

Niedermayer - Beauchemin
Whitney - Wiz
Sbisia - Mitera

Hiller
x

- Niedermayer will come off the books next year (most likely).
- Koivu signs a 1 year deal--reevaluate next year.
- Ryan and Hiller receieve significant raises.
- Beauchemin, Whitney, Wiz, Sbisia, and Mitera is a solid top 5 next season. I expect big things from Sbisia, Mitera, and Gardiner.

Too bad that's not what he's asking for.

You don't always get what you want. ;)

You don't always get what you want. ;)

On July 1st, many times you do.

Trade Giguere--Sign Beauchemin and Koivu.

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I love how you post this assuming trading Giguere is the easiest thing in the world to do. You realize most likely if we did trade Giguere we would be taking salary back right?

Trade Giguere--Sign Beauchemin and Koivu.

Next season:

Lupul - Getzlaf - Perry
Ryan - Koivu - Selanne
Miller - Marchant - Nokia
Brown - Carter - Parros

Niedermayer - Beauchemin
Whitney - Wiz
Sbisia - Mitera

Hiller
x

- Niedermayer will come off the books next year (most likely).
- Koivu signs a 1 year deal--reevaluate next year.
- Ryan and Hiller receieve significant raises.
- Beauchemin, Whitney, Wiz, Sbisia, and Mitera is a solid top 5 next season. I expect big things from Sbisia, Mitera, and Gardiner.

And if Hiller doesn't want to re-sign, who plays goalie?

Beauchemin is not good value at 4m/yr much less 4.5m/yr.

I love how you post this assuming trading Giguere is the easiest thing in the world to do. You realize most likely if we did trade Giguere we would be taking salary back right?

We still could save 3m+.

Niedermayer is off the books next year. This allows rooms for Ryan and Hiller.

Koivu will seek 3m+. (Hopefully a 1 year deal).

Wiz should get 2.5.

And if Hiller doesn't want to re-sign, who plays goalie?

Beauchemin is not good value at 4m/yr much less 4.5m/yr.

Why would Hiller not resign? He came to us in the first place--we got rid of Bryz for him. Now he has won the starting job, we want to sign him to an extension.

Beauchemin > Whitney

Asset management: Worst case, sign Beauchemin and trade Whitney for some assets.

Apparently Beauchemin is looking for 4 years 4.5 mil.

JESUS!

That honestly doesn't seem that bad to me. He's a solid minutes-eater and I think tends to be underrated around here. And the way he came back from his injury was pretty spectacular.

Why would Hiller not resign? He came to us in the first place--we got rid of Bryz for him. Now he has won the starting job, we want to sign him to an extension.

Beauchemin > Whitney

Asset management: Worst case, sign Beauchemin and trade Whitney for some assets.

I disagree... Beauchemin without Niedermayer < Whitney

FYI, Whitney's worst season point wise was this last year coming back from injury and that was pretty much equal in PPG to Beauchemin's best season when he was on the PP. Beauchemin does bring something physically and I enjoy the open ice hits but without Niedermayer he's pretty pedestrian defensively.

Who knows why Hiller wouldn't re-sign. Bouwmeester didn't want to re-sign with Florida, Hiller came here to work with Allaire and Allaire is in Toronto.

I disagree... Beauchemin without Niedermayer < Whitney

Who knows why Hiller wouldn't re-sign. Bouwmeester didn't want to re-sign with Florida, Hiller came here to work with Allaire and Allaire is in Toronto.

Whitney looked horrible against Detroit. Beauchemin looked rusty at times, but still looked like he was worth 4 mil +. There is a reason why Whitney became the 5th defenseman when Beauchemin came back (after a few games). IMO, if we can't afford Beauchemin because of Whitney/Wiz, we should sign Beauchemin and trade Whitney.

Why would JBOW stay in Florida? He wants to win...

Anaheim has a great young core and Hiller is apart of that.

Whitney looked horrible against Detroit. Beauchemin looked rusty at times, but still looked like he was worth 4 mil +. There is a reason why Whitney became the 5th defenseman when Beauchemin came back (after a few games). IMO, if we can't afford Beauchemin because of Whitney/Wiz, we should sign Beauchemin and trade Whitney.

Why would JBOW stay in Florida? He wants to win...

Anaheim has a great young core and Hiller is apart of that.

Whitney was the 5th defenseman yet he played the most minutes behind Pronger and Niedermayer, riiiiiiiight.

By the way... Ryan Whitney, 1 goal, 6 points in the playoffs, Beauchemin 1 g 1 point in the playoffs.

As for Hiller, if he was willing to sign a contract now I would consider trading Giguere, if not ship Hiller out and get better value back.

I think it's hilarious how many people gave up on Giguere after '04 and then gave up on him again in '06. What makes Hiller better than Gerber was in '04?

I disagree... Beauchemin without Niedermayer < Whitney



I agree, its better to let him walk, unless he accepts 3 million / year. No way we trade Whitney away, we gave up a lot for him.

There is going to be a good defenseman out there when the dust settles who can play top 4 minutes, accept a short contract, and sign for enough money to address the 2nd line. I just want to see us address that 2nd line center sooner than later.

We've got about 45 million committed in salary keeping Jiggy. There is plenty of room to sign an affordable 2nd line Center + decent top 4 D guy.

We still could save 3m+.

Niedermayer is off the books next year. This allows rooms for Ryan and Hiller.

Koivu will seek 3m+. (Hopefully a 1 year deal).

Wiz should get 2.5.

I understand the math of it. What you fail to understand is what comes with trading away Giguere. You make it sound as if it is the easiest thing in the world to do. On top of that you assume that Murray actually wants to trade Giguere or that Giguere will waive his NTC.

I understand the math of it. What you fail to understand is what comes with trading away Giguere. You make it sound as if it is the easiest thing in the world to do. On top of that you assume that Murray actually wants to trade Giguere or that Giguere will waive his NTC.

Considering that Giguere took less money for that NTC and everything he has done for the franchise, I think asking him to waive his NTC would be pretty classless of the organization.

Whitney looked horrible against Detroit. Beauchemin looked rusty at times, but still looked like he was worth 4 mil +. There is a reason why Whitney became the 5th defenseman when Beauchemin came back (after a few games). IMO, if we can't afford Beauchemin because of Whitney/Wiz, we should sign Beauchemin and trade Whitney.

Why would JBOW stay in Florida? He wants to win...

Anaheim has a great young core and Hiller is apart of that.

Why the love for Beauchemin? I just don't get it. His numbers have declined each of the years he has been with the Ducks. 34 points, 28 points, 21 points. Been injured all but one season and is a turnover machine. He isn't worth 3 million let alone 4. I'd rather sign two guys at 2 million than 1 Beauchemin at 4.

On top of this, you are basing everything Whitney has done off 30 or so games?

Considering that Giguere took less money for that NTC and everything he has done for the franchise, I think asking him to waive his NTC would be pretty classless of the organization.

He doesn't want to be a backup.

I understand the math of it. What you fail to understand is what comes with trading away Giguere. You make it sound as if it is the easiest thing in the world to do. On top of that you assume that Murray actually wants to trade Giguere or that Giguere will waive his NTC.

I'm not saying its easy, but I'm positive it could happen. Also, Giguere does not want to be a backup. Both Murray and Giguere have hinted at that. Also, ESPN reported Giguere gave a list of teams he would accept a trade to.

I agree, its better to let him walk, unless he accepts 3 million / year. No way we trade Whitney away, we gave up a lot for him.

There is going to be a good defenseman out there when the dust settles who can play top 4 minutes, accept a short contract, and sign for enough money to address the 2nd line. I just want to see us address that 2nd line center sooner than later.

We've got about 45 million committed in salary keeping Jiggy. There is plenty of room to sign an affordable 2nd line Center + decent top 4 D guy.

The best case scenario would be to sign Beauchemin and keep Whitney. And yes, its doable.

Whitney was the 5th defenseman yet he played the most minutes behind Pronger and Niedermayer, riiiiiiiight.

By the way... Ryan Whitney, 1 goal, 6 points in the playoffs, Beauchemin 1 g 1 point in the playoffs.

As for Hiller, if he was willing to sign a contract now I would consider trading Giguere, if not ship Hiller out and get better value back.

I think it's hilarious how many people gave up on Giguere after '04 and then gave up on him again in '06. What makes Hiller better than Gerber was in '04?

Beauchemin plays D, Whitney doesn't. However, I would prefer to keep both of them.

Why the love for Beauchemin? I just don't get it. His numbers have declined each of the years he has been with the Ducks. 34 points, 28 points, 21 points. Been injured all but one season and is a turnover machine. He isn't worth 3 million let alone 4. I'd rather sign two guys at 2 million than 1 Beauchemin at 4.

On top of this, you are basing everything Whitney has done off 30 or so games?

Ever since he turned the Calgary series around, I have liked Beauchemin. (I liked him before, but the Calgary series really took it to the next level). Also, I feel like everyone assums Beauchemin's success was because he played with Niedermayer... I disagree. He came back very strong after being injured for almost the entire year. On top of that, Niedermayer will be gone next season--I don't like the idea of having Whitney as your #1.

He doesn't want to be a backup.



I'm not saying its easy, but I'm positive it could happen. Also, Giguere does not want to be a backup. Both Murray and Giguere have hinted at that. Also, ESPN reported Giguere gave a list of teams he would accept a trade to.



The best case scenario would be to sign Beauchemin and keep Whitney. And yes, its doable.



Beauchemin plays D, Whitney doesn't. However, I would prefer to keep both of them.

Hiller is not guaranteed the starting position, they said it will be settled in camp. If history is guide, Giguere is going to come out and earn his contract.

Beauchemin plays d but how many times have you seen Niedermayer back on a 2-1 because Beauchemin pinched wildly and got burned?

Beauchemin at 4 million is not good value, even if the team had the room I wouldn't want them to pay any more than 3-3.5 cap hit.

Too bad Murray watches the Sabres sign Montador who basically brings the same things as Beauchemin does at 1/3rd the price :help:

Too bad Murray watches the Sabres sign Montador who basically brings the same things as Beauchemin does at 1/3rd the price :help:

Dirk, I know you love fighters but Montador blows and he's not even a good fighter. I don't know why you have such a hard on for him.

Dirk, I know you love fighters but Montador blows and he's not even a good fighter. I don't know why you have such a hard on for him.

I think they did us a favor by signing him.

I think they did us a favor by signing him.

I'd rather they get Leopold if they can get him for 2.5-3m than Beauchemin at 4-4.5m.

There's enough puck-movers now. I think the defense core could use a little reliable stay at home nutsack. I don't really know if one's out there. I'm in favor of bringing in Andy Wozniewski from Florida just to pair him up with Wisniewski.

I'd also feel a hell of a lot better with our bottom 6 if guys like Laperriere or Neil were in there. Our lower tier guys are really unimpressive or have horrible weaknesses. We have no real exceptional role players.

Ever since he turned the Calgary series around, I have liked Beauchemin. (I liked him before, but the Calgary series really took it to the next level). Also, I feel like everyone assums Beauchemin's success was because he played with Niedermayer... I disagree. He came back very strong after being injured for almost the entire year. On top of that, Niedermayer will be gone next season--I don't like the idea of having Whitney as your #1.

Thats all well and good. But you fail to respond to the fact his point totals have declined every year. He is injured every year.

I think playing with Scott helps anyone. But I am with you in that a players success isn't all based on who they play with.

That being said, I still don't think Beauchemin has any value for this franchise if you have to pay hom upwards or 4 million. He just isn't worth that much.

TSN says Beauch is asking for 4 yrs at 4.5M per year. From Montreal.

Nobody should even consider paying him over $3-3.5m, max. He is insane for asking that much in this economy.

There's enough puck-movers now. I think the defense core could use a little reliable stay at home nutsack. I don't really know if one's out there. I'm in favor of bringing in Andy Wozniewski from Florida just to pair him up with Wisniewski.

I'd also feel a hell of a lot better with our bottom 6 if guys like Laperriere or Neil were in there. Our lower tier guys are really unimpressive or have horrible weaknesses. We have no real exceptional role players.

Leopold would make a good 3rd pairing with Brookbank. Assuming Mitera or Sbisa plays with Whitney and Wiz plays with Nieds.

Dirk, I know you love fighters but Montador blows and he's not even a good fighter. I don't know why you have such a hard on for him.

I know and thats not why i wanted the Ducks to sign him its because he was solid on both both ends and outplayed every Duck D-man last season with the exception of the big 2 Neids/Pronger, helped on the PP and PK and did a little of everything. I dont understand why some people did not respect what he brought

There's enough puck-movers now. I think the defense core could use a little reliable stay at home nutsack. I don't really know if one's out there. I'm in favor of bringing in Andy Wozniewski from Florida just to pair him up with Wisniewski.

I'd also feel a hell of a lot better with our bottom 6 if guys like Laperriere or Neil were in there. Our lower tier guys are really unimpressive or have horrible weaknesses. We have no real exceptional role players.



yes im actually in 100% agreement with you :amazed:

Leopold would make a good 3rd pairing with Brookbank. Assuming Mitera or Sbisa plays with Whitney and Wiz plays with Nieds.

Nobody would me a good pairing with Brookbank. He needs to improve his game, bad.

Nobody would me a good pairing with Brookbank. He needs to improve his game, bad.

Brookbank playing 8-10 minutes a game is okay... he's a cheap d-man who can eat up a few minutes and bring toughness.

Nothing wrong with Brookbank as a 6th-7th dman.

Nobody would me a good pairing with Brookbank. He needs to improve his game, bad.

I agree he needs to work on his game, but he stepped it up a notch during the playoffs.

Nobody would me a good pairing with Brookbank. He needs to improve his game, bad.

most of the season and all playoffs he was rock solid and got better each game, hes a young stay at home Dman with a mean streak. And now you decide to complain for some reason about him??
He is perfect for the bottom pairing

I'd also feel a hell of a lot better with our bottom 6 if guys like Laperriere or Neil were in there. Our lower tier guys are really unimpressive or have horrible weaknesses. We have no real exceptional role players.

I'd LOVE to have Neil on the fourth line, he's physical and can score some points too. Problem is he turned down the Sens' offer of 1.7 millions. I wonder what is he searching for... 2+ millions? Good luck with that... :help:

I'd LOVE to have Neil on the fourth line, he's physical and can score some points too. Problem is he turned down the Sens' offer of 1.7 millions. I wonder what is he searching for... 2+ millions? Good luck with that... :help:

well he turned it down because it was 1 year and hes probably seeking 3-5 year deal

Bah, Laperriere signed with Philly. Son of a baby.

$1.17M per, I'd gladly have paid it.

Murray thought the Niedermayer negotiations were tiring so he decided to take a little afternoon nap.

Brookbank playing 8-10 minutes a game is okay... he's a cheap d-man who can eat up a few minutes and bring toughness.
The problem is that without Pronger, and possibly Beauchemin, the last pairing defensemen have to play significantly more than 8-10 minutes. Think more like 15.

Bah, Laperriere signed with Philly. Son of a baby.

$1.17M per, I'd gladly have paid it.

He is a guy I had always targeted for this team for a long time. He's like the good version of role players the Ducks always target.

The problem is that without Pronger, and possibly Beauchemin, the last pairing defensemen have to play significantly more than 8-10 minutes. Think more like 15.

That depends on who is signed for the 3 slot and who factors into the 5 slot. There are still a lot of questions to be answered.

I'm pretty confident the Ducks will sign Beauchemin.

I'm pretty confident the Ducks will sign Beauchemin.

I hope not, if he doesn't want to be here then he shouldn't be here. anything above 3 million for beauchemin is an overpayment.

I think considering Komisarek only got 4.5 million, that drove Beach's value back down. My guess is he won't get the 4 million, and settles for 3.5.

I could live with that, but I'd rather spend the money on a more affordable short term UFA dman and get a better top 6 forward.

I'd offer Frankie 3. Maybe 3.2. We really can't afford to go more. I'm suspicious that he'd be actually worth more.

I'd rather use those money for a second line center than to sign Beauch. I like him, but no way he's worth that much.

well he turned it down because it was 1 year and hes probably seeking 3-5 year deal

Yeah, probably for this reason, still we can't afford him. :rant:

I like a 3 year 10.5 million dollar deal.
perfect amount for both parties!

I wonder if Murray was at all interested in Zanon. 1.66 for 3 years seems like a great deal and he would have really helped solidify our defense for the next few years. I don't think he's all that worse than Beauch.

Seems like he is looking around to see if anyone will give him 4 million or more..if not hopefully he will stay in anaheim for 3 to 3.5.

It seems to me that he doesn't want to come back here.

I know it will not happen but I would try to get Cam Barker. Chicago will face huge cap-problems next season and they have to do something right now. Maybe it can be done something like

Mikkelsson + Carter + 2nd 2010 for Barker

I mean, Mikkelsson will be #7 defensman here and I think Mitera is the one to take this spot. Further more Carter looks like he will never get a chance under Carlyle. Barker, sure has some downsides, but he is strong on the powerplay, something we need. And he also has some physical tools.

I know it will not happen but I would try to get Cam Barker. Chicago will face huge cap-problems next season and they have to do something right now. Maybe it can be done something like

Mikkelsson + Carter + 2nd 2010 for Barker

I mean, Mikkelsson will be #7 defensman here and I think Mitera is the one to take this spot. Further more Carter looks like he will never get a chance under Carlyle. Barker, sure has some downsides, but he is strong on the powerplay, something we need. And he also has some physical tools.

Trading for Barker doesn't due us a ton of good if he is asking for a lot of money as an RFA. It still leaves us with the issues we already have.

Also You would probably see Chicago not want to take on anyone with a 1 way deal(Carter). But something else to ponder is if one of our two first round picks are in play?

Seems like he is looking around to see if anyone will give him 4 million or more..if not hopefully he will stay in anaheim for 3 to 3.5.

I read somewhere that he is expecting to get somewhere between 4-5 million. Now I don't know if him not signing yesterday means he wasn't getting offers he likes or he is deciding who he wants to sign with.

But I think it is safe to say if those numbers are correct he won't be coming back to Anaheim.(Fingers crossed)

:handclap:I know it will not happen but I would try to get Cam Barker. Chicago will face huge cap-problems next season and they have to do something right now. Maybe it can be done something like

Mikkelsson + Carter + 2nd 2010 for Barker

I mean, Mikkelsson will be #7 defensman here and I think Mitera is the one to take this spot. Further more Carter looks like he will never get a chance under Carlyle. Barker, sure has some downsides, but he is strong on the powerplay, something we need. And he also has some physical tools.

Mitera as the 7th defenseman is a waste on many different levels. It's a waste of one of his ELC years, a waste of cap space and a waste of a year of development.

Meh, I'm quite happy with the team as it is. I've accepted the fact that we're not contenders this season and Scotty will probably get traded to a conteder come trade deadline.

Also Giguere will not finish the season as a Ducks player, he could get traded even before the season starts. And that's just fine. Because even though Giggy is a top goalie, it just doesn't make sense to keep his 6M salary around if we're not contending.

Meh, I'm quite happy with the team as it is. I've accepted the fact that we're not contenders this season and Scotty will probably get traded to a conteder come trade deadline.

Also Giguere will not finish the season as a Ducks player, he could get traded even before the season starts. And that's just fine. Because even though Giggy is a top goalie, it just doesn't make sense to keep his 6M salary around if we're not contending.

I wouldn't say we're not contenders just yet, the trading and signings aren't finished yet.

Either way, if Scott thought we weren't contenders, he wouldn't have resigned (He could have went to any number of teams for more money)

If Murray thought that, I don't think he would be trying to make us better, same goes for Teemu, he wouldn't have came back if he didn't think he could win with this team.

I wouldn't say we're not contenders just yet, the trading and signings aren't finished yet.

Either way, if Scott thought we weren't contenders, he wouldn't have resigned (He could have went to any number of teams for more money)

If Murray thought that, I don't think he would be trying to make us better, same goes for Teemu, he wouldn't have came back if he didn't think he could win with this team.

Maybe he decided to sign because he was given a 6 million dollar contract and he did not have to relocate his family.

As for Teemu he did it purely for the love of the game and his commitment to the team and the fans. He is truly a unique person. He is one in a million.

I hear all this talk of dealing Giguere...what team is going to take a 6m goalie who had a down year last year? And which of those zero teams is Giggy going to waive his no trade for?

I hear all this talk of dealing Giguere...what team is going to take a 6m goalie who had a down year last year? And which of those zero teams is Giggy going to waive his no trade for?

Toronto or Chicago.

Meh, I'm quite happy with the team as it is. I've accepted the fact that we're not contenders this season and Scotty will probably get traded to a conteder come trade deadline.

Also Giguere will not finish the season as a Ducks player, he could get traded even before the season starts. And that's just fine. Because even though Giggy is a top goalie, it just doesn't make sense to keep his 6M salary around if we're not contending.

Not contenders? Sign Koivu and a #4 defenseman and we could be considered cup favorites.

Lupul - Getzlaf - Perry
Ryan - Koivu - Selanne

Niedermayer - Wiz
Whitney - X
Sbisa - Mitera/Brookbank

Hiller

Toronto or Chicago.

I would think more along the lines of Montreal (They love their French-Canadians). But back on topic, I'd make a pitch at signing Beauch for a raise, but not obscene money. If he wants too much let him get his money elsewhere. Just sign Wiz long-term and either Festerling or Salcido as spares and our D would be looking pretty good for this year.

I would think more along the lines of Montreal (They love their French-Canadians). But back on topic, I'd make a pitch at signing Beauch for a raise, but not obscene money. If he wants too much let him get his money elsewhere. Just sign Wiz long-term and either Festerling or Salcido as spares and our D would be looking pretty good for this year.

Price...

Price...
Getting en experienced guy would be the best thing Gainey could do to Price's benefit.

one less suitor for Beauchemin, with LA signing scuderi. he's definitely the best ufa dman left out there though.

The team budget really is ********. If you are going to buy a team at least make sure you can spend enough to make it as good as possible. All this 46$ million crap pisses me off.

The team budget really is ********. If you are going to buy a team at least make sure you can spend enough to make it as good as possible. All this 46$ million crap pisses me off.

I hear you. Either fans are okay with this, or people just haven't mentioned it. But having a cap within a cap definitely makes the job of the GM harder and potentially decreases our chances of winning.

:handclap:

Mitera as the 7th defenseman is a waste on many different levels. It's a waste of one of his ELC years, a waste of cap space and a waste of a year of development.
Mitera's over 20. ELC year gets eaten up no matter what.
The team budget really is ********. If you are going to buy a team at least make sure you can spend enough to make it as good as possible. All this 46$ million crap pisses me off.
Actually, the way the cap is designed, most teams are not supposed to be spending to the cap. The average league income is set as the salary midpoint, 8 million from both the cap and floor. If you assume we are a middle-of-the-road team in terms of revenues, we're supposed to be at ~48 million dollars.

The team budget really is ********. If you are going to buy a team at least make sure you can spend enough to make it as good as possible. All this 46$ million crap pisses me off.

I hear you. Either fans are okay with this, or people just haven't mentioned it. But having a cap within a cap definitely makes the job of the GM harder and potentially decreases our chances of winning.

The team can be improved late in the season for a lot less cash. Couple million gets you a lot better player at the deadline than it does now.

Toronto or Chicago.

Chicago has 5.6M locked in up Huet for awhile and 2 pretty important (and expensive) RFA's to get under contract before the end of next year (Kane and Toews). The last thing they need is another 6m goalie.

Toronto's possible I guess cap-wise but I unless Giguere really wanted to hook up with Allaire again I can't think that Burke wants to spend all that money on a win now goalie unless they do some kind of Kaberle swap who Burke seems intent on dealing at some point and both want to give up their no-trades (a big IF for Giguere IMO)

Why does Toronto want to dump Kaberle so badly?

Why does Toronto want to dump Kaberle so badly?

No idea. My guess is Burke is wanting to put his North American stamp on that team since Day 1. He gave the same speech he gave in Anaheim..."We will fight, hit, be entertaining" etc. He dealt Kubina away for a big hitter and not much else...and sign Komisarek who is a 1 dimensional defenseman (granted that dimension is exceptional)

Mitera's over 20. ELC year gets eaten up no matter what.

Actually, the way the cap is designed, most teams are not supposed to be spending to the cap. The average league income is set as the salary midpoint, 8 million from both the cap and floor. If you assume we are a middle-of-the-road team in terms of revenues, we're supposed to be at ~48 million dollars.

I understand that, but a number that we're "supposed" to be at means little if the competition is ignoring it. If you can't do everything it takes financially to put the best possible lineup on the ice then don't buy the team.

I understand that, but a number that we're "supposed" to be at means little if the competition is ignoring it. If you can't do everything it takes financially to put the best possible lineup on the ice then don't buy the team.

The last two years we went well over the budget. Anaheim is lucky to have such great owners.

The last two years we went well over the budget. Anaheim is lucky to have such great owners.

Isn't Samueli serving a sentence now? :sarcasm:

He hasn't even been convicted of anything, I don't think.

He hasn't even been convicted of anything, I don't think.

He plead guilty (a year ago) and is awaiting sentencing pending the conclusion of the other's trial.

Had the Samueli's allowed Burke to waive and demote Marchant we would still have had Andymac until now. Might have another cup too.

I don't think there's anything special in allowing a contending team to spend to the cap. Hell, the Sharks spend to it every year and they never compete.

He plead guilty (a year ago) and is awaiting sentencing pending the conclusion of the other's trial.
I thought that plea was rejected.

I thought that plea was rejected.

The plea of guilty remains. The idiotic sentencing terms that Samueli suggested were rejected by the court. Under the plea, Samueli can withdraw the plea, renogotiate with prosecutors or do nothing and let the judge make the call. It's my understanding that Samueli has done nothing to date so the guilty plea stands (less the suggested sentencing terms).

Should drag out for awhile.

The plea of guilty remains. The idiotic sentencing terms that Samueli suggested were rejected by the court. Under the plea, Samueli can withdraw the plea, renogotiate with prosecutors or do nothing and let the judge make the call. It's my understanding that Samueli has done nothing to date so the guilty plea stands (less the suggested sentencing terms).

Should drag out for awhile.

Haha...funny thing is:

I worked at a company Samueli just tried in April to acquire before I moved jobs...

Chicago has 5.6M locked in up Huet for awhile and 2 pretty important (and expensive) RFA's to get under contract before the end of next year (Kane and Toews). The last thing they need is another 6m goalie.

Toronto's possible I guess cap-wise but I unless Giguere really wanted to hook up with Allaire again I can't think that Burke wants to spend all that money on a win now goalie unless they do some kind of Kaberle swap who Burke seems intent on dealing at some point and both want to give up their no-trades (a big IF for Giguere IMO)

I dont think TO is an option for Giguere anymore. They are going to lead with Toskala now that he is healthy. Burke offered the junior goalie Pogge an offer and went off to Europe to sign "Monster" Gustavsson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Gustavsson). to be the backup. They also have Gerber, Kolzig in the wings as less cheaper options.

No idea. My guess is Burke is wanting to put his North American stamp on that team since Day 1. He gave the same speech he gave in Anaheim..."We will fight, hit, be entertaining" etc. He dealt Kubina away for a big hitter and not much else...and sign Komisarek who is a 1 dimensional defenseman (granted that dimension is exceptional)


Kubina and Kaberle were some of the few bargaining chips to get some scoring into the team. They had a deal for Kessel but Boston backed out. Now they did do a salary dump for Kubina and picked up Exelby, Orr, and Komisarek for toughness.

I would think Burke would love Beauchemin but he already gave Komisarek $ 4.5 million a year so dont see how that could work out. Beauchimen is going to get more than that a year for sure so say goodbye to him guys.

Hope TO can pick up Moen.

The plea of guilty remains. The idiotic sentencing terms that Samueli suggested were rejected by the court. Under the plea, Samueli can withdraw the plea, renogotiate with prosecutors or do nothing and let the judge make the call. It's my understanding that Samueli has done nothing to date so the guilty plea stands (less the suggested sentencing terms).

Should drag out for awhile.

The plea was rejected by the trial judge. Samueli has appealed that rejection to the Ninth Circuit. Under the plea Samueli would serve no jail time and would not have to testify against anyone else.