2009-2010 around the league

Threat to discuss news around the league.

Let's start with the offseason.

Others already started discussing Gomez in the Koivu thread. All I have to say is LOLZERS Montreal. And they give up McDonagh too? I wanted McDonagh in 07, and although his offense seems to have stalled out he still seems like a good prospect. And what ever happened to Montreal getting the big center they kept craving?

Actually I like Gomez. For example, I think he'd be a great center for Selanne, but a tad overqualified (1st line caliber). But that cap hit is all kinds of awful.

There goes Komisarek/Koivu.

That was a horrible trade for Montreal. Not only do they acquire one of the worst contracts in the league but they give up one of their best prospects in the deal too. Higgins for Gomez isn't horrible as Gomez is a fairly capable (although not elite) first line center but when McDonagh is thrown in it's ridiculous.

Calgary just signed Bouwmeester for 6.6 per year. They should be one of the favorites to come out of the west with their defense although past Iginla/Jokinen their offense is average at best.

Is anyone else worried that if Niedermayer isn't signed before 12 et tomorrow that someone will throw a huge one year deal at him that he can't turn down? Kind of like the one Vancouver threw at Sundin last year.

I'm sure that Niedermayer's agent will receive loads of offers tomorrow, but I have a feeling a deal with the Ducks is most likely already in place and just waiting to be announced.

Is anyone else worried that if Niedermayer isn't signed before 12 et tomorrow that someone will throw a huge one year deal at him that he can't turn down? Kind of like the one Vancouver threw at Sundin last year.

IF he did that, I think Murray would punch him square in the jaw.

http://ducks.freedomblogging.com/2009/06/30/ducks-scott-niedermayer-talks-continue/15621/

Niedermayer said that he expected things to “work out” with the Ducks and that he did not anticipate entertaining potential offers from other teams.

It's all good.

woah looks like heatley to edmonton for penner, smid, and cogliano.

wait i guess he still has to waive his ntc or somethign. nice trade for edmonton if this really happens.

edit: lol 5 minutes til the 12 am deadline where a $4 mil signing bonus is due. ottawa says itll cost more after that deadline. this is kind of exciting.

How much do you guys expect Niedermeyer to ask for?

the final countdown!

edit: now its midnight, $4 mil direct deposited to heatleys account, sucks for the oilers.

How much do you guys expect Niedermeyer to ask for?

no clue really but probably a 1 year term in the 5 to 6 mil range. he made 6.5 or so on his last contract, wont be higher than that.

Heatley nixed the deal. How much respect can you have for a guy who asks to be traded and then nixes the best trade his GM can get?

What a clown.

Heatley nixed the deal. How much respect can you have for a guy who asks to be traded and then nixes the best trade his GM can get?

What a clown.


this whole situation is just too damn funny. i love it. what makes it even better is that that wouldve been a hell of a trade for edmonton, very glad it was them on the other end of this fiasco, get the entire cities hopes up and smash it back down with lightning speed.

but yea what a knucklehead for rejecting it. he should just shut his mouth now, and play hard in ottawa.

Heatley nixed the deal. How much respect can you have for a guy who asks to be traded and then nixes the best trade his GM can get?

What a clown.
Well if he's the selfish type, he should send his acceptance of the trade at 12:01. Why not let his former team pay his advance bonus? That way his new team has more money to, say, bury a bad contract in the minors.

Although that depends on if the Sens would nix the deal post-midnight and really ask for more.

I like that Heatley rejected the trade cuz first of all it keeps him out of ****ing Edmonton, and second of all out of the Western Conference. Stay in the East Dany.

Apparently the deadline is tomorrow, I hope he still says no though.

Altough the Habs giving up a good prospect in McDonagh,I think it was a good move by Gainey.He needed a number one center and had a lot of pressuere from fans and the media,so he really had to do something.And Gomez can be a good 1st line center,despite his bad season with the Rags.And they give up Higgins,who can be replaced and MacDonagh.But the Habs have other defense prospects with potential like Subban or Fischer,so giving up McDonagh don't hurt them so much.
If Heatley decides to go to Edmonton,this deal for the Sens is just terrible.Penner's contract,well there is not much to say about and Smid has also not reached his potential.So the main part is Cogliano,who has to comeback after a bad season.All in all,not a good deal for Ottawa.

LOL if Edmonton can get away from Penner's contract AND not include a 1st round pick AND get Dany Heatley in the process it would be mindboggling. Luckily for Edmonton haters Heatley is one as well.

If Heatley decides to go to Edmonton,this deal for the Sens is just terrible.Penner's contract,well there is not much to say about and Smid has also not reached his potential.So the main part is Cogliano,who has to comeback after a bad season.All in all,not a good deal for Ottawa.


Your right, it seems that Edmonton doesn't like the Penner deal after all. When is his contract up? I bet he's glad he took that deal when he did because he won't get another one like that.

Anyone care to guess what is going to happen with the Sedin's?

Anyone care to guess what is going to happen with the Sedin's?

They resigned in Vancover. Per TSN. 6.1 million cap hit, 5 years.

They resigned in Vancover. Per TSN. 6.1 million cap hit, 5 years.

Just saw that http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283415

Not too bad of a deal for Vancouver, they would've been totally screwed without them.

This page is kind of handy: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=11850

LOL if Edmonton can get away from Penner's contract AND not include a 1st round pick AND get Dany Heatley in the process it would be mindboggling. Luckily for Edmonton haters Heatley is one as well.

It would be delicious irony if this trade got screwed up. Really, all the Oiler fan outrage is hilarious considering the BS they defended with the Comrie-Perry fiasco. Think about it:

1) Lowe publicly ripped Comrie, all but indicating he was going to dump him, lowering his value ... while Heatley publicly asked for a trade, lowering his value
2) Both times, a trade was essentially agreed to
3) At the last minute, Lowe decided to act like an ass and blew up a deal that would have rid him of a pleyer he supposedly wanted to trade ... Heatley ???

Ultimately of course, Lowe did us a huge favor. But I can't help but think there's some karma involved in this sort of thing. That's not the only time Edmonton jerked players around, hard to feel bad for them when they get some back.

On line feed
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/TML-Live

Ohlund to Tampa Bay

Edit: 7 years at $24.5

Also saying Scott is entertaining offers from other teams-*******

Reports of Hossa trying to sign with Chicago

How much do you guys expect Niedermeyer to ask for?
Too much for what he brings on the ice on a nightly basis.

Colton Orr to Toronto 4 year, 4 mil

Aww, Burke.

Colton Orr to Toronto 4 year, 4 mil

LOL.

Hossa signs with Hawks.

Ha. For awhile I kept getting Hossa and Havlat mixed up. Even though they play nothing like each other. Hossa moving the Havlat's former team isn't going to help that.

Chicago is a good place for him though. I think Chicago will become the next dynasty in the West (sorry Kings fans). The prospect pool there is so strong and balanced. All they need is a goalie, and I think they can be a better team long term than Pittsburgh (who I see as unbalanced).


I was about to ask why in the world would Tampa sign Ohlund to a 7 year contract, but then realized he's 32 (ie < 35) and that this was one of those "retire before the contract ends" type contracts.

Matt Walker to Tampa bay 1.7 a year for 4 years

Just Hossa's deal is for around 50 years or so. How do they plan on re-signing their kids when their contracts are up?

Just Hossa's deal is for around 50 years or so. How do they plan on re-signing their kids when their contracts are up?

5.2 a year for 12 years or something, gonna be hard signing Kane, Toews and others in a year or two.

Anyone thinking Jiggy or Hiller to Edmonton now that Roloson is gone?

Roloson to Long Island

Edit: Ducksrule00 beat me to it.

I doubt Edmonton wants Giguere or wants to trade with us, but you never know

Niedermeyer is making me nervous no word of anything yet and TSN keeps spouting other offers are coming in:rant:

Montador is gone

Niedermeyer is making me nervous no word of anything yet and TSN keeps spouting other offers are coming in:rant:

Welcome to our 05 ;)

Welcome to our 05 ;)

Did he say he was coming back to the Devils then sign with Anaheim?

Lappy is a Flyer, 3 years, 3.5M. Would have liked him in a Ducks sweater too.

Habs have signed two d-men, I doubt Beauchemin is going there.

Toronto maybe?

Did he say he was coming back to the Devils then sign with Anaheim?
He held their contract offer just long enough to screw them, and then signed in Anaheim for less.

He didn't sign in Anaheim that year until August, all the while holding Lamoriello's contract offer in hand as a hedge while he thought about Anaheim. He's a pain in the ass.

The Devils were out of options after that.

$1.4M per year for Brashear? After what Laperriere just got? I think Glen Sather is schizophrenic. Follows up a good trade with a crap signing.

Anyone thinking Jiggy or Hiller to Edmonton now that Roloson is gone?

Khabibulin, Nikolai to Edmonton for 3.75 a year for 4 years, no Giggy to Edmonton

This has been the most entertaining draft day to july 1st period that I can remember.

Mike Rupp to Pitt

Hal Gill to Montreal

Huskins gets $1.7M per from San Jose. Good for him.

Huskins just got 2 years, 1.7/yr.

That would make more sense if it was 1.7 total.

He held their contract offer just long enough to screw them, and then signed in Anaheim for less.

He didn't sign in Anaheim that year until August, all the while holding Lamoriello's contract offer in hand as a hedge while he thought about Anaheim. He's a pain in the ass.

Oooh, he waited until AUGUST? Oh my god, how dastardly!

Oh wait ... the free agency period that year *STARTED* in August. In fact, he waited a whole 2 days after the start of free agency to make up his mind, the first day of which was spent waiting for Burke to fly in to meet in person.

Revisionism is fun, but reality is a lot less outrageous. Was it his fault that every other team went nuts and gobbled up every free agent in sight within the first few hours? I'd say 2 days was a pretty timely response to decide on a fairly significant career move.

Was Ohlund brought in to mentor Hedman? If so there is a strong possiblity that with the early free agency that we see today, Hedman leaves before Ohlund even comes close to closing out that deal. Great stuff.

Oooh, he waited until AUGUST? Oh my god, how dastardly!

Oh wait ... the free agency period that year *STARTED* in August. In fact, he waited a whole 2 days after the start of free agency to make up his mind, the first day of which was spent waiting for Burke to fly in to meet in person.

Revisionism is fun, but reality is a lot less outrageous. Was it his fault that every other team went nuts and gobbled up every free agent in sight within the first few hours? I'd say 2 days was a pretty timely response to decide on a fairly significant career move.
Revisionism is fun.

Niedermayer sat on the Devils' contract offer for weeks without comment, and then on into free agency, before moving on.

No, it wasn't his fault other defensemen were signed in the interim, just like it wasn't his fault the Ducks chose to predicate their offseason movements on his whims in 07-08, 08-09, and again in 09-10, and that the result of that was major disruption to the roster and to the lives of guys like McDonald, Schnieder, Rafalski, and now Pronger.

He's well within his rights to do these things, but it doesn't make him any less of a pain in the ass.

Was Ohlund brought in to mentor Hedman? If so there is a strong possiblity that with the early free agency that we see today, Hedman leaves before Ohlund even comes close to closing out that deal. Great stuff.

Ohlund will be traded by October.

Ohlund will be traded by October.

Not with the length of that deal.

Not with the length of that deal.

When in Tampa Bay there is always a way to get rid of lengthy contracts.

Cammi to Montreal 6 mil???

Revisionism is fun.

Niedermayer sat on the Devils' contract offer for weeks without comment, and then on into free agency, before moving on.

He wanted to listen to other offers first. Couldn't do that until August. And then he made his decision quickly. I really don't see what the problem is, unless you're suggesting he shouldn't have tested free agency at all?

When in Tampa Bay there is always a way to get rid of lengthy contracts.

But he'll be a 100 year old d-man with injury concerns who could theoretically just "retire" and count against your cap.

Cammi to Montreal 6 mil???

Are they just throwing darts at a board? I thought the Rangers had no plan....geez.

Huskins gets $1.7M per from San Jose. Good for him.

Good for the Ducks too, as that means the conditional 4th rounder in '12 kicks in.

But he'll be a 100 year old d-man with injury concerns who could theoretically just "retire" and count against your cap.

I'm joking about Tampa's irrational decisions.

I'm joking about Tampa's irrational decisions.

They are very much like me...only they control a professional hockey team. My irrational decisions only affect my day to day activities.

Good for the Ducks too, as that means the conditional 4th rounder in '12 kicks in.

LOL. Who are we targeting?

He wanted to listen to other offers first. Couldn't do that until August. And then he made his decision quickly. I really don't see what the problem is, unless you're suggesting he shouldn't have tested free agency at all?
I'm suggesting his indecision made matters difficult for his team. It's what he does. Hence the pain in the ass thing.

I'm suggesting his indecision made matters difficult for his team. It's what he does. Hence the pain in the ass thing.

A UFA wanting to see what's out there makes him a pain in the ass? Okay, well then there's a whole lot of players that fit that category right now. Like, pretty much every UFA that didn't sign with their current teams before today.

A UFA wanting to see what's out there makes him a pain in the ass? Okay, well then there's a whole lot of players that fit that category right now. Like, pretty much every UFA that didn't sign with their current teams before today.
*shrug*

That's as blindly charitable as you can be, I think. There are obviously other details involved that just a potential UFA wanting to test the market, but no one says you have to look at them if you really don't want to. Cheers, mmbt.

And now Zanon's gone, bummer.

Komi to Toronto, whos going to pay Beauchemin 4.5 million if Toronto doesn't?

Komi to Toronto, whos going to pay Beauchemin 4.5 million if Toronto doesn't?

My guess is Pittsburgh or Ottawa if that Heatley deal goes down.

Cammalleri got 6? Holy cow. I thought it'd be 5-5.5. Man was I off. And how does he make Montreal bigger/tougher?

Komi to Toronto, whos going to pay Beauchemin 4.5 million if Toronto doesn't?
And Komisarek got 4.5. I wonder if Beauch thinks he's comparable...

Good signing for Burke and Leafs nation. About time they got some good news.

Steve Sullivan back to Nashville

Sami makes a mountain of cash from the Blue Jackets. 2.75 per year.

Sami makes a mountain of cash from the Blue Jackets. 2.75 per year.

Good for him. That is quite a bit of cash for a check line center though.

Sami makes a mountain of cash from the Blue Jackets. 2.75 per year.

Good deal for CBJ @ 3 years.

damn, good for Sami. he deserves it for earning so much less than market value in his prime. way too much to match though. thats a lot of money to spend on no goals.

Huskins, now Sami ... what's next? Moen getting $3.5 mil per?

damn, good for Sami. he deserves it for earning so much less than market value in his prime. way too much to match though. thats a lot of money to spend on no goals.

Damn, why couldn't he have gone to a Eastern team.

Good for Sammy though

Huskins, now Sami ... what's next? Moen getting $3.5 mil per?

Not from the Sharks, but maybe Toronto or Montreal

Steve Sullivan making 500k less a year than lupul. Can't believe he got that and two years.

Sami makes a mountain of cash from the Blue Jackets. 2.75 per year.
Hmm. For some reason I'm reminded of Todd Marchant.

Oh, and how in the hell did the media screw up the 11:59 thing with Heatley? Should we trust them for anything now?

Did Gaborik actually think he has a better chance of winning in New York than Minn?

Sather lights cigars with rolled up benjamins. And they're not even his. Neither are the cigars.

Sather lights cigars with rolled up benjamins. And they're not even his. Neither are the cigars.

Them and Montreal are playing NHL '09 this offseason.

Are they just throwing darts at a board? I thought the Rangers had no plan....geez.


this statement just keeps getting mroe accurate the farther into free agency we get :laugh:

Did Gaborik actually think he has a better chance of winning in New York than Minn?

Remind me, which team made the playoffs last year? This is a great move for New York if Gaborik can stay healthy. The only thing they lacked was offense.

Remind me, which team made the playoffs last year? This is a great move for New York if Gaborik can stay healthy. The only thing they lacked was offense.
And that is exactly why Gaborik is so risky.

7.5 million? Ho-ly ****.


Fun fact: Gaborik averaged 11 points fewer per season than Gomez the past 4 seasons (since the lockout). IE, the 7+ million dollar forward they just traded away.

Heatley won't make decision by midnight, so looks like he's staying in Ottawa. Looks like the penner bashing will still continue in the east.

And that is exactly why Gaborik is so risky.

7.5 million? Ho-ly ****.


Fun fact: Gaborik averaged 11 points fewer per season than Gomez the past 4 seasons (since the lockout). IE, the 7+ million dollar forward they just traded away.

Gaborik did all that in a defensive minded (and very offense lacking) situation. What if you supply him with an offensive one with possibly better options at disposal? But that much money seems kinda suspect and i'm much happier with Getz & Perry with their contracts!

Gaborik did all that in a defensive minded (and very offense lacking) situation. What if you supply him with an offensive one with possibly better options at disposal? But that much money seems kinda suspect and i'm much happier with Getz & Perry with their contracts!
Oh there's no doubt that Gaborik is miles better an offensive player than Gomez. And you're right that his team's situation and style probably hurts his numbers some. I'm just saying that when you take the apparently inevitable injuries into play, you find out that Gaborik has been averaging about 57 or so points a season, less than Gomez and his supposed albatross of a contract.




Man this Heatley thing is fascinating. Now Heatley is being petulant, but it's still amusing that he wants to get the hell out of Ottawa, but not Edmonton. Hee hee.

It sucks though that he's like "trade me now... but only to where I want to be traded."

Remind me, which team made the playoffs last year? This is a great move for New York if Gaborik can stay healthy. The only thing they lacked was offense.

Meh, playoffs are playoffs, do you really think the Rags are going to win it all, or Minn for that matter? I think neither has a chance as of right now.

I'm sure other options were there for him to go and he chose what he thought was the best of both worlds, a winning team and money.

Meh, playoffs are playoffs, do you really think the Rags are going to win it all, or Minn for that matter? I think neither has a chance as of right now.


The Rangers have the goaltending, and enough good players that if they catch lightning in a bottle I could see it happening. They're not a favorite, but as a realistic long shot? Sure.

Oh sure, I didn't mean that the Rangers weren't a good team but the East has far better teams than them right now.

A realistic long shot? I'd say yes.

The Blackhawks added Madden when Sammy signed with CBJ.

Lost Havlat and signed Hossa

Lost Khabibulin and have??? as their goalie?

Lost Walker and signed Kopecky.

Everything seems about even with their moves except for the goalie situation.

The Blackhawks added Madden when Sammy signed with CBJ.

Lost Havlat and signed Hossa

Lost Khabibulin and have??? as their goalie?

Lost Walker and signed Kopecky.

Everything seems about even with their moves except for the goalie situation.

They have Huet.

I don't like the Hossa signing. It seems like it will be a major hurdle when it comes time to resign their young players. Maybe not though, they have so many that in this era it will be impossible to retain all of them anyway.

Kings sign Scuderi for 3.5

I didn't really think they needed d'men but hey whatever works for you.

Kings add Smyth. Good value for them. They manage to get a good, but overpaid and declining player for a not-as-good but ascending player, a bad and overpaid injury, and a nothing pick.

Colorado probably could have gotten more on-ice value, but at least they get rid of some salary when they're likely going into a rebuild.

What I like about the Smyth deal is that he brings leadership into the Kings lockerroom. They have the talent to compete but do they have the will? Smyth will teach the youngings how to play and get over the hump the way Scotty Niedermayer showed all the Ducks. The Kings now are missing a top end goaltender.

Kings add Smyth. Good value for them. They manage to get a good, but overpaid and declining player for a not-as-good but ascending player, a bad and overpaid injury, and a nothing pick.

Colorado probably could have gotten more on-ice value, but at least they get rid of some salary when they're likely going into a rebuild.

Not really... they took on some pretty crappy salary in return.

Not really... they took on some pretty crappy salary in return.

Not really. Preissing doesn't make too much money. He just didn't fit in LA. He was perfectly fine with San Jose and Ottawa. But Colorado saves about 3 mil on this deal which is the whole point of the trade. The fact that Lombardi was able to get Smyth for a waiver pickup and a D-man buried in the minors is amazing. I don't think he's done though. The Kings still need a lot more help offensively than Ryan Smyth but it's definitely a start.

Jack Johnson re-signs for 1.425.

On one hand it's a bargain for someone of his potential.

On the other hand, it's only fair (and perhaps even a bit of an overpay) based on the quality of his play in the NHL so far. Super offensive tools, but only limited results and some egregious riverboat gambling.


But it does certainly look odd compared to that Matt Greene signing Lombardi did just a year ago. And Scuderi.

Heatley to San Jose for Cheechoo and Michaelek.

The Sharks give up depth to bolster what was already a top notch offense. I don't get this. They needed help on their blue line. This doesn't take them any further over the hump.

Cheechoo to the east is what i find important ni that deal. Heatley will not hurt us as much as Cheech did.

Really? How so? I would think thornton-heatley may affect us quite a bit

Cheechoo to the east is what i find important ni that deal. Heatley will not hurt us as much as Cheech did.

I just looked it up...12% of his career goals are against the Ducks. See ya Cheech!

Because it's impossible to own us any worse than Cheechoo did.

I am personally happy to see Cheechoo go EAST. He was a Ducks killer for so many years. In one year, didn't he score like 8 goals in three games against us? Heatley in the meanwhile is a pretty boy. He will put up big numbers but I won't be sweating when he takes the ice....especially during the playoffs.

I think they got a character player like Heatley to be their new captain ;)

i was really worried about seeing heatley come to san jose but with the depth they gave up (mainly cheechoo vs Anaheim) i feel better about it. and no doubt about it Perry + Getzlaf > thornton + heatley.

I am personally happy to see Cheechoo go EAST. He was a Ducks killer for so many years. In one year, didn't he score like 8 goals in three games against us? Heatley in the meanwhile is a pretty boy. He will put up big numbers but I won't be sweating when he takes the ice....especially during the playoffs.

Exactly ... the guy's a gutless, entitled punk in every aspect of his life. Always looking for the easy way.

He's the kind of guy who looks great when the team is rolling, but when things aren't good and you need someone to step up he's not your man. He was fine for 3 rounds in '07, then all but gave up during the Finals when he finally was faced with a real defense that was going to make him earn every inch of ice. He just didn't want to do it, and not even the promise of the big shiny Stanley Cup could get him to do more than just toss lazy passes and stay on the perimeter.

This is the guy Doug Wilson thinks will fix the Sharks' playoff choker label? Really? All this is going to do is make them even better in the regular season, so that their ultimate failure in the playoffs will be all the more epic. Instead of adding one more flakey player, they should have gotten rid of a few of the flakes they already have.

Another heartless player for the choking brigade. Will that management team ever learn?

Edit: agree completely mmbt. They just keep bringing players in that don't have the mental capacity to succeed when things get tough, with the exception of Boyle, who even though was their best player during the series last year it didn't prove enough to Wilson that proven winners should be his targets.

Another heartless player for the choking brigade. Will that management team ever learn?

it would have only been more fitting for the sharks if it were spezza who demanded the trade

Yes, Cheechoo is gone!! Even in the playoffs that little ******* showed up more than most of the Sharks.

As for Heatley. Meh, the guy's a powderpuff, like MMBT said, when the going gets tough, Heatley disappears. In fact, he even demands to get traded if his team doesn't do well.

of cheechoo's whopping 12 goals last season, 3 of them came vs the Ducks in 4 games.

I guess they wanted a rival to the potential Ryan-Getzlaf-Perry line. As if the Sharks weren't already going to tear up the regular season.

I guess they wanted a rival to the potential Ryan-Getzlaf-Perry line. As if the Sharks weren't already going to tear up the regular season.

who would be the third shark on that line youre thinking of becuase i cant think of a shark who would make that line near as good.

Exactly ... the guy's a gutless, entitled punk in every aspect of his life. Always looking for the easy way.

He's the kind of guy who looks great when the team is rolling, but when things aren't good and you need someone to step up he's not your man. He was fine for 3 rounds in '07, then all but gave up during the Finals when he finally was faced with a real defense that was going to make him earn every inch of ice. He just didn't want to do it, and not even the promise of the big shiny Stanley Cup could get him to do more than just toss lazy passes and stay on the perimeter.

This is the guy Doug Wilson thinks will fix the Sharks' playoff choker label? Really? All this is going to do is make them even better in the regular season, so that their ultimate failure in the playoffs will be all the more epic. Instead of adding one more flakey player, they should have gotten rid of a few of the flakes they already have.
I agree with not being worried about Heatley.

However... it seems like it's just me but I don't see Heatley as a real playoff choker. In 07, I thought Spezza was the one who really disappeared. Heatley just didn't do much because he's reliant on his linemates to get him the puck. I just see a complementary type player (who's questionably worth 7.5 million) where the main piece of the line. Spezza was horrid. He became a battle-losing turnover machine.

Although Heatley is mentally soft. With the whole demanding to be traded twice, not being able to work things out with the coach, and not being able to handle the pressure with the accident and Snyder.


To the rest of the board: what's the better package? Cheechoo, Michalek, and a 5th or Cogliano, Penner, and Smid?

I agree with not being worried about Heatley.

However... it seems like it's just me but I don't see Heatley as a real playoff choker. In 07, I thought Spezza was the one who really disappeared. Heatley just didn't do much because he's reliant on his linemates to get him the puck. I just see a complementary type player (who's questionably worth 7.5 million) where the main piece of the line. Spezza was horrid. He became a battle-losing turnover machine.

Although Heatley is mentally soft. With the whole demanding to be traded twice, not being able to work things out with the coach, and not being able to handle the pressure with the accident and Snyder.


To the rest of the board: what's the better package? Cheechoo, Michalek, and a 5th or Cogliano, Penner, and Smid?

San Jose's offer is a superior package IMO, mostly because I'm a fan of quality over quantity. None of the Edmonton players strike me as anything more than complementary. Michalek is a player who, even though he hasn't broken out the way people believed he would by this point, still brings quite a bit to the table himself. Not to mention he's still only 24 and could definitely breakout and become a PPG player.

The question I would be asking if I was a Shark fan is, what are the Sharks going to do when opposing coaches match their first lines against either of the Sharks bottom two lines. On paper the Sharks bottom six has to be one of the worst I've seen. Also, what happens when someone is injured, their depth is non existent.

Edit: Btw, it's Michalek, Cheechoo and a 2nd, San Jose recieved a 5th along with Heatley.

To the rest of the board: what's the better package? Cheechoo, Michalek, and a 5th or Cogliano, Penner, and Smid?

id say the cheechoo/michalek/2nd (the fifth went to san jose) is the better package as it gives better cap freedom and the best overall player of those 5 in michalek.

i know the cap hits are roughly equal but its always better when the best player is the one taking up the biggest cap hit. you can afford that but you cant afford having a guy like penner take up that much cap space.

Yeah I switched the picks. Too busy multitasking with the football game.

I dunno about Michalek. Somehow he doesn't strike me as much. I always like Setoguchi better. Although Michalek is better than any of the other pieces (Penner, Cogliano). I guess I'm not sure if Cheechoo is more or less overpaid than Penner.

BTW, didn't Heatley not accept the last deal because he didn't have any options? And hasn't Edmonton pulled their offer? So now he accepts a deal while there's only 1 option?

Yeah I switched the picks. Too busy multitasking with the football game.

I dunno about Michalek. Somehow he doesn't strike me as much. I always like Setoguchi better. Although Michalek is better than any of the other pieces (Penner, Cogliano). I guess I'm not sure if Cheechoo is more or less overpaid than Penner.

he's probably equal on the relative overpayment with penner, but cheechoo has just 2 years under contract left going for him. penner has 3. thats a big deal for that type of contract.

One more thing related to Heatley and playoff disappearing.

If in 07, as I've claimed, Heatley's disappearance was more due to Spezza sucking it up when it counted (and that he becomes invisible when the heavy lifter on his line is neutralized)... well what's SJ going to do when he's paired up with Thornton? Man are they ****ed.

One more thing related to Heatley and playoff disappearing.

If in 07, as I've claimed, Heatley's disappearance was more due to Spezza sucking it up when it counted (and that he becomes invisible when the heavy lifter on his line is neutralized)... well what's SJ going to do when he's paired up with Thornton? Man are they ****ed.

lol good point it could be awful for them. if ottawa didnt have alredsson it wouldve looked even worse that series, and san jose doesnt have anyone as good/legit as him.

who would be the third shark on that line youre thinking of becuase i cant think of a shark who would make that line near as good.
I'm sure they can come up with something between Heatley, Marleau, Thornton, and Setoguchi. All top notch players.

As for the better package, I'm not too high on Michalek, I think he's overrated, and a bit damaged since he was brained in that Edmonton series (Pisani? Torres? Some scrub like that). I also think the Senators could use a solid defenseman, so I'd take the Edmonton package and live with the 2nd tier kid and the overpaid 3rd liner.

I'm sure they can come up with something between Heatley, Marleau, Thornton, and Setoguchi. All top notch players.

As for the better package, I'm not too high on Michalek, I think he's overrated, and a bit damaged since he was brained in that Edmonton series (Pisani? Torres? Some scrub like that). I also think the Senators could use a solid defenseman, so I'd take the Edmonton package and live with the 2nd tier kid and the overpaid 3rd liner.

he got ****ed up bad by morrow the next year too. as far as the packages though, i dont think smid is a solid defenseman at all so edmontons package remains pretty weak.

im happy for ottawa that they can finally be done with this bs, pretty pathetic for a guy to get a franchise contract adn then demand to be traded. glad a character like that is going to san jose though, as has been said before, that type of personality will fit in perfectly in that san jose lockerroom in april.

Here's something to consider. Heatley's performance vs the East and West.

yr | gp | gpg E | ppg E | gp W | gpg W | ppg W
08-09 | 64 | 0.531 | 0.875 | 18 | 0.278 | 0.889
07-08 | 61 | 0.607 | 1.180 | 10 | 0.400 | 1.000
06-07 | 72 | 0.667 | 1.389 | 10 | 0.200 | 0.500
05-06 | 72 | 0.597 | 1.292 | 10 | 0.700 | 1.000
total | 269 | 0.602 | 1.193 | 48 | 0.375 | 0.854

For all 4 seasons, Heatley's composite gpg is 62.3% in the West compared to the East, his ppg is 71.6%. For comparison, Perry's (chosen because he's our goal scorer, and partly because of the pizza vs RPG line thread) gpg and ppg numbers are 83.5% and 82.8% respectively. Interestingly, the West's total goal numbers are 95.9% of the East, so both players seem to be below average.

edit: Actually, thinking about it a little more. 95.9% is "total goals" of the West compared to the East, which I chose because it's easy. But I think that would underestimate the scoring difference since the West would play 15?20? games against the higher scoring scoring East, inflating their totals. And the East would play games against the West, depressing the denominator.

Beauch wears an A for the Leafs apparently. He's looked pretty good in this game against the Bruins.

BTW, snark, that is the most confusing post i've read on these boards. What the hell is a goals per game percentage? Percentage of games he had a goal in? I don't understand a word of that.

It was the ratio of his GPG against Western teams vs Eastern teams. Simple concept, lousy explanation.

If he scored on average 1 goals/game against the East, he only averaged 0.6 goals against the West.

Open the door to hell and you'd see:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7466/wow14a.jpg

From here. (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=679884&page=13)

I don't know what the hell's going on there but it scared the crap out of me. That is a lot of Hudlers for Brad May to fight.