North Dakota's done--Zach is signed! (confirmed)

Do you guys think its possible he might sign. they lost tonight to denver 1-0

No, the kid better work on conditioning though, his endurence is pretty bad.

Do you guys think its possible he might sign. they lost tonight to denver 1-0
I was thinking he would be more likely to sign if he won the NCAA Championship. Now there is an accomplishment he didn't get.

No, the kid better work on conditioning though, his endurence is pretty bad.

Give him to Vlad Bure for the summer. He'll come back in shape.

Maybe a few games in Albany, but I think they'll wait awhile.

*zach

Zach, just stay in school dude, I don't think Lou's gonna sign him, especially with a lockout looming.

Darryl Sutter said he was going to wait until the next CBA to sign Dion Phaneuf, just to avoid having to offer the standard contract that recent top 10 picks have been signing that give out huge performance bonuses. Something tells me Lou will do the same, although I wouldn't be surprised if he invited Zach watch the playoff games.

UMass defenseman Thomas Pock, whose 16-25--41 led the Minutemen in scoring, signed for close to the rookie cap (guaranteed $1 million-plus for three years) as a free agent with the Rangers. Ex-Bruin Brad Park, now a scout for the Rangers, figures Pock can be a Sergei Gonchar-like presence for the Blueshirts, and might even be able to plug directly into the Manhattan roster next season .

I don't know what Zach will get,but I doubt he'll sign now.

5 games left...just enough time for Parise to sign, put up 50 to 60 points, and run away with the Calder. Lou is a genius.

Zach Parise will be a NJ Devils in two years... He is going to stay in school at UND for at least 2 more years...

Zach Parise will be a NJ Devils in two years... He is going to stay in school at UND for at least 2 more years...
Why the hell would he do that, how would he be developing his game by player against compitition much worse then him and only 40 games. Get in Albany next year If he was smart.

Zach Parise will be a NJ Devils in two years...
I think you are right, at least for next season. He hasn't won an NCAA championship yet, which must be a goal of his. His brother Jordan is a year behind Zach, so winning an NCAA Championship with him would have to be special.

there are some rumors that parise has already signed a contract

Why the hell would he do that, how would he be developing his game by player against compitition much worse then him and only 40 games. Get in Albany next year If he was smart.



Zach parise said himself that he is staying in college and will be playing for at least another season or two at UND... Lamorello also agreed that would be a wise choice for him to stay in school...


I think you are right, at least for next season. He hasn't won an NCAA championship yet, which must be a goal of his. His brother Jordan is a year behind Zach, so winning an NCAA Championship with him would have to be special.


Exactly correct! He wants a NCAA Championship before he leaves UND... He will be there for next season and why rush him to the Devils when he is certainly not ready to play in the NHL right now. True he can be like Nash in the NHL right now but Lou is not pushing the issue...

there are some rumors that parise has already signed a contract
I just went on NHL.com, New Jersey Devils official website, Slam sports and the University of North Dakota's website and nothing yet. Wow this would be interesting because I doubt, if this is true, that he signed to play a couple teams for the River Rats.

i don't know what to believe...it's apparently all over the radio in grand forks...

http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?threadid=37742&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

scroll down ...

http://siouxsports.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2462&st=20

there are some rumors that parise has already signed a contract

Sources?

Holy S!! This is insane!! People are saying he might play vs. the Rangers tomorrow!!!

:joker: I don't believe this "rumor" for a minute

Zach parise said himself that he is staying in college and will be playing for at least another season or two at UND... Lamorello also agreed that would be a wise choice for him to stay in school...





Exactly correct! He wants a NCAA Championship before he leaves UND... He will be there for next season and why rush him to the Devils when he is certainly not ready to play in the NHL right now. True he can be like Nash in the NHL right now but Lou is not pushing the issue...

Someone on the Prospect Board says a local radio station in ND is already reporting that he has signed. Guess we'll have to wait and see what kind of confirmation we can get

Assuming this is true, where does he fit on this team???????

Elias-Gomez-Gionta
Friesen-PARISE???-Kozlov
Langenbrunner-Madden-Pandolfo
Brylin-Rasmussen-Stevenson

I don't like the 4th line... Anyone got ideas??

Assuming this is true, where does he fit on this team???????

Elias-Gomez-Gionta
Friesen-PARISE???-Kozlov
Langenbrunner-Madden-Pandolfo
Brylin-Rasmussen-Stevenson

I don't like the 4th line... Anyone got ideas??


Uhh......yeah I do

Elias-Gomez-Gionta

Friesen-Parise-Kozlov

Pandolfo-Madden-Suckenbrunner

Brylin-Hrdina/Larionov-Stevenson/Bicek

I don't care what ANY of you say, but Larionov's 3 cups and olympic gold medal pressure situation experience is NEEDED in the playoffs without a shadow of a doubt

Pandolfo-Madden-Suckenbrunner

Dude are you seriuos??? He's not playing well right now but come playoffs he will be ready to contribute.

Lou and Conte love him........the future of american hockey will begin soon enough.

Here is the first non-message board link confirming the Parise situation...

http://siouxsports.com/hockey/articles/44.htm

Dude are you seriuos??? He's not playing well right now but come playoffs he will be ready to contribute.


Yes, Im serious, but he'll always be Mr. Clutch for me, in the playoffs is when he becomes Langenbrunner.

Here is the first non-message board link confirming the Parise situation...

http://siouxsports.com/hockey/articles/44.htm
Wow, that is great news!!! Good job. :yo:

Wow, that is great news!!! Good job. :yo:

©SiouxSports.com copyright Jim Dahl 1994-2004 | Privacy Policy | Not affiliated with UND


Dunno how legit it is, considering it's not even affiliated with UND

©SiouxSports.com copyright Jim Dahl 1994-2004 | Privacy Policy | Not affiliated with UND


Dunno how legit it is, considering it's not even affiliated with UND
Where there is smoke there is fire. ;)

Where there is smoke there is fire. ;)

all that says is that the reporter at siouxsports heard it on the radio as well...that's hardly any more confirmation than what we've already seen.

until there's some kind of official release, this is still just a rumor.

Not yet confirmed:

Zach Parise reportedly leaving Sioux to join N.J. Devils
SiouxSports.com staff (Send Email)
March 29, 2004


Grand Forks, North Dakota, radio station, XL93, reports that Zach Parise has departed Grand Forks and intends to begin playing for the New Jersey Devils as early as tomorrow. Joining the Devils would end Parise's NCAA eligibility.
Developing... :yo:

Now TSN has some reports as well:

Report: Devils sign Parise


TSN.ca Staff

3/29/2004

A radio station out of North Dakota is reporting that the Devils have signed the 5'11", 180-pound sophomore centre, a finalist for the Hobey Baker Award this season, given annually to the nation's top college player.



http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=78...306&hubName=nhl (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=78306&hubName=nhl)

I want to see something from either UND or from the Devils before I convince myself it's real... this would be a cruel early April Fool's Day joke.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=78306&hubName=nhl

:yo:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=78306&hubName=nhl

:yo:

If you'd look two posts up after your previous one, you'd see that exact link!

I want to see something from either UND or from the Devils before I convince myself it's real... this would be a cruel early April Fool's Day joke.

Agreed. I'll believe it when the "Report:" is out of the headline. Believing reports lead me to believe that the Flyers had brought in Sergei Fedorov one time. Nuts to that.

Question to those in the know: Would any games he plays this year count as a year off of his contract? Or are there provisions that allow teams to sign players to 10 day contracts much like basketball? In this situation only, of course.

If you'd look two posts up after your previous one, you'd see that exact link!

I merged it from a separate thread. There have been at least 4 different threads started on this exact topic because people haven't bothered reading what's already here.

Question to those in the know: Would any games he plays this year count as a year off of his contract? Or are there provisions that allow teams to sign players to 10 day contracts much like basketball? In this situation only, of course.

If it's like the CHL guys, they can play up to ten games and still be sent back before their contract kicks in for that year. Beyond that they can be sent back but their contract will be in effect for that year (Eminger last year, Fleury this year).

I believe Heatley signed at the end of the '00-'01 season, but he didn't play any games.

Question to those in the know: Would any games he plays this year count as a year off of his contract? Or are there provisions that allow teams to sign players to 10 day contracts much like basketball? In this situation only, of course.
I was wondering about that too. My guess would be no because if he lets say signed a three year contract for $3 million and this year did count I can't imagine he would get a full million for this year. That's the only thing I could think of.

If it's like the CHL guys, they can play up to ten games and still be sent back before their contract kicks in for that year. Beyond that they can be sent back but their contract will be in effect for that year (Eminger last year, Fleury this year).

I believe Heatley signed at the end of the '00-'01 season, but he didn't play any games.

Makes sense. That's what I figured. It's safe to say that Lou is signing him to actually PLAY him. Why else would he bother signing him now if rookie contracts could and should be compacted in the new CBA?

So he'll probably get bits and pieces of icetime. It's not an Albany move. That's for sure. Wicked.

Makes sense. That's what I figured. It's safe to say that Lou is signing him to actually PLAY him. Why else would he bother signing him now if rookie contracts could and should be compacted in the new CBA?

So he'll probably get bits and pieces of icetime. It's not an Albany move. That's for sure. Wicked.

That's true, the only logical reason for signing Parise now is if Lou thinks the kid can help in the playoffs. Personally I do think Parise can help, he's a winner.

http://www.uscho.com has a link. I'm surprised.
message board link is filling up already
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?threadid=37742

God I hope he plays for you guys, at 5 fooot whatever , he will get murdered. You must have something better to get excited about, like maybe only losing to the Flyers in 5 games instead of 4.

God I hope he plays for you guys, at 5 fooot whatever , he will get murdered. You must have something better to get excited about, like maybe only losing to the Flyers in 5 games instead of 4.
Just smile and wave everybody. :shakehead

God I hope he plays for you guys, at 5 fooot whatever , he will get murdered. You must have something better to get excited about, like maybe only losing to the Flyers in 5 games instead of 4.

Maybe you should concentrate on getting out of the second round before you start talking smack on this board.

Anyway, no legit news on Parise yet...my hopes are tempered at this point, but I'd love to see him get at least one game in before the end of the season.

God I hope he plays for you guys, at 5 fooot whatever , he will get murdered. You must have something better to get excited about, like maybe only losing to the Flyers in 5 games instead of 4.

Come on now Benny, all the other 5 foot somethings in Jersey give us problems e.g Gionta, Brylin...I see Parise being a little pest around our net. And I think i would be ready to die if EVER the Flyers took Jersey out in 4 or 5.

God I hope he plays for you guys, at 5 fooot whatever , he will get murdered. You must have something better to get excited about, like maybe only losing to the Flyers in 5 games instead of 4.


You mean like Mark Recchi???

Mark Recchi: 5-10 190lbs

Daniel Alfredsson 5-11 202

Zach Parise 5-11 185lbs

God I hope he plays for you guys, at 5 fooot whatever , he will get murdered. You must have something better to get excited about, like maybe only losing to the Flyers in 5 games instead of 4.

(BB4 is yawning)

If it's like the CHL guys, they can play up to ten games and still be sent back before their contract kicks in for that year.

...but you can't send a player back to the NCAA. Their door only swings out.

Kind of an irrelevant question, as I'm still not convinced Parise is a Devil yet, but should he join the big club in the next few games, what number will he wear? :dunno:

Under thirty, there are only three available numbers in 1, 17, and 21...

God I hope he plays for you guys, at 5 fooot whatever , he will get murdered. You must have something better to get excited about, like maybe only losing to the Flyers in 5 games instead of 4.

An inch away from being six feet and he's going to get murdered? Classic.

Kind of an irrelevant question, as I'm still not convinced Parise is a Devil yet, but should he join the big club in the next few games, what number will he wear? :dunno:

Under thirty, there are only three available numbers in 1, 17, and 21...
I was just about to ask that myself, yeah my money is on 17. His college number is 11 but that's Mad Dogs. He don't look like a 21 to me.

I was just about to ask that myself, yeah my money is on 17. His college number is 11 but that's Mad Dogs. He don't look like a 21 to me.

Exactly... when I see 17 I think scoring winger... when I see 21 I think Randy McKay... when I see 1... well, I don't see 1.

Maybe something over thirty?

From uscho board: " Out of Blais mouth is this, Zach is signing a $3.5 mill 3-yr deal, with $1.5 mill in a signing bonus. You can use "it's not official" all you want, he ain't coming back.

Blais also said he'd be surprised to lose anyone else, with Greene being the most likely of the rest."

This Cryers fan is a joke. How soon he will cry when he sees his team in SECOND PLACE on Wednesday morning in the division! :lol:


HOLY COW! If Parise comes to the Devils now it will be amazing to watch this kid in action in the playoffs... Look out East, because here comes the Devils AGAIN!

I have already put an order in for his Devils jersey and awaiting for what number he will wear... He wears #11 but not for the Devils because of Madden. So therefore Lou is not going to wait for Suggy so Parise could wear 21... Also 17 would be pretty cool too... :yo: #17 is a scoring number and I wore #17 myself... Plus it will be like Sykora out on the ice again...

An inch away from being six feet and he's going to get murdered? Classic.

Right?!

He is basically the same size as Sami Kapanen, Claude Lapointe, Patrick Sharp, Simone Gagne and Tony Amonte

Exactly... when I see 17 I think scoring winger... when I see 21 I think Randy McKay... when I see 1... well, I don't see 1.

Maybe something over thirty?
When I see 1 I tend to think of Chico Resch. I really don't think we'll see him with a number over thirty.......I think 17 is the safe bet.

When I see 1 I tend to think of Chico Resch. I really don't think we'll see him with a number over thirty.......I think 17 is the safe bet.

Actually, I realize Parise was drafted 17th... 17 will work.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=78306

The kid better be in shape.

[QUOTE=Hellsempire]Zach parise said himself that he is staying in college and will be playing for at least another season or two at UND... Lamorello also agreed that would be a wise choice for him to stay in school...




The 1.5m signing bonas,plus 3 years at 1.5 looked to inviting

Right?!

He is basically the same size as Sami Kapanen, Claude Lapointe, Patrick Sharp, Simone Gagne and Tony Amonte


I watched 6 games for UND that he played in this year, If you guys honestly believe that he will come into the playoffs and make a big contribution, you are in for a rude awakening. Jeff Carter, who is just as good as Parisse, practised with the Flyers last week, does not mean he will come in and be the 2nd line center,or even a 5th line center, I understand you are excited, but there is a reason he was not a top 10 pick!

I watched 6 games for UND that he played in this year, If you guys honestly believe that he will come into the playoffs and make a big contribution, you are in for a rude awakening. Jeff Carter, who is just as good as Parisse, practised with the Flyers last week, does not mean he will come in and be the 2nd line center,or even a 5th line center, I understand you are excited, but there is a reason he was not a top 10 pick!

Hopefully for the same reason Bordeur went 20th

I watched 6 games for UND that he played in this year, If you guys honestly believe that he will come into the playoffs and make a big contribution, you are in for a rude awakening. Jeff Carter, who is just as good as Parisse, practised with the Flyers last week, does not mean he will come in and be the 2nd line center,or even a 5th line center, I understand you are excited, but there is a reason he was not a top 10 pick!
Yeah the other GM's screwed up.

I watched 6 games for UND that he played in this year, If you guys honestly believe that he will come into the playoffs and make a big contribution, you are in for a rude awakening. Jeff Carter, who is just as good as Parisse, practised with the Flyers last week, does not mean he will come in and be the 2nd line center,or even a 5th line center, I understand you are excited, but there is a reason he was not a top 10 pick!
And also that reason that your team's no. 1 defenseman was picked with the last pick in the 9th round a few years back.

[QUOTE=Hellsempire]Zach parise said himself that he is staying in college and will be playing for at least another season or two at UND... Lamorello also agreed that would be a wise choice for him to stay in school...




The 1.5m signing bonas,plus 3 years at 1.5 looked to inviting



Yeah that would help Parise change his mind and come to the Devils... :lol:

I watched 6 games for UND that he played in this year, If you guys honestly believe that he will come into the playoffs and make a big contribution, you are in for a rude awakening. Jeff Carter, who is just as good as Parisse, practised with the Flyers last week, does not mean he will come in and be the 2nd line center,or even a 5th line center, I understand you are excited, but there is a reason he was not a top 10 pick!


Hmmm,

your thesis has changed from getting "Murdered" to now, not being a major contributor.

You seem confused.

Hmmm,

your thesis has changed from getting "Murdered" to now, not being a major contributor.

You seem confused.


Real confused, I forgot how many 19 yr old college players jump right to the NHL playoffs and make a huge difference. You must really love your centers to replace them with this kid. He should win the Conn Smythe trophy this year. Maybe the Pens should rush Fleury into playing, Oh wait !!!

Real confused, I forgot how many 19 yr old college players jump right to the NHL playoffs and make a huge difference. You must really love your centers to replace them with this kid. He should win the Conn Smythe trophy this year. Maybe the Pens should rush Fleury into playing, Oh wait !!!


Scott.....











Gomez.

Real confused, I forgot how many 19 yr old college players jump right to the NHL playoffs and make a huge difference. You must really love your centers to replace them with this kid. He should win the Conn Smythe trophy this year. Maybe the Pens should rush Fleury into playing, Oh wait !!!
Spezza was a difference maker in Game 6 last year...

Real confused, I forgot how many 19 yr old college players jump right to the NHL playoffs and make a huge difference. You must really love your centers to replace them with this kid. He should win the Conn Smythe trophy this year. Maybe the Pens should rush Fleury into playing, Oh wait !!!

Rob Blake was either 19 or 20.

Scott.....











Gomez.

:handclap:

Undersized, 19 year old center with no pro experience scores 70 points and wins the Calder Trophy and Stanley Cup in his rookie year. Gomez was also drafted 6 slots lower than Parise. But those types never make an immediate impact in the NHL. There's no precedent.

:handclap:

Undersized, 19 year old center with no pro experience scores 70 points and wins the Calder Trophy and Stanley Cup in his rookie year. Gomez was also drafted 6 slots lower than Parise. But those types never make an immediate impact in the NHL. There's no precedent.


Not coming in 3 games before the playoffs !!!

Not coming in 3 games before the playoffs !!!
I think its pretty obvious your getting ripped...please stop now.

I think its pretty obvious your getting ripped...please stop now.

Getting ripped by Devil fans, Wait until more non biased opinions read these posts, anyway, got to go back to work, that's what big boys do !

Getting ripped by Devil fans, Wait until more non biased opinions read these posts, anyway, got to go back to work, that's what big boys do !
Listen, no one is saying hes going to light it up and win the Conn Smythe or something. People just didn't agree with you saying he would get "murdered", And yeah, everyone is excited. And why shouldn't they be? They just signed their #1 prospect.

I think you should just drop it.

Seriously guys, Parise is a nice player, a great prospect, but to expect him to come in and step into the second line center role in the playoffs with no NHL experience and no size is pretty far fetched.

Andy Hilbert had 64 points in his last year at Michigan, and is comparable in size to Parise. He has yet to make an impact in the NHL, although he has done well in the AHL.

Gomez had a full season under his belt before he went to the playoffs that year. Can you guys give me one name... Just one name, of any player who stepped in to the NHL at the end of the regular season and not only made an impact in the playoffs, but stayed on the roster.

I would suspect Lou wants Zach to be exposed to NHL playoff hockey so he can get a look at the intensity and sacrifice required to play at this level. I don't expect him to start the playoffs as the Devils second line center.

CONFIRMED :handclap: :yo:

http://www.insidecollegehockey.com/7Archives/News/parise_0231.htm

Jeff Carter, who is just as good as Parisse

Just keep telling yourself that :)

I think there was a guy name Ken Dryden who stepped into the Stanley Cup playoffs right out of College :dunno:

:D

Seriously guys, Parise is a nice player, a great prospect, but to expect him to come in and step into the second line center role in the playoffs with no NHL experience and no size is pretty far fetched.

Andy Hilbert had 64 points in his last year at Michigan, and is comparable in size to Parise. He has yet to make an impact in the NHL, although he has done well in the AHL.

Gomez had a full season under his belt before he went to the playoffs that year. Can you guys give me one name... Just one name, of any player who stepped in to the NHL at the end of the regular season and not only made an impact in the playoffs, but stayed on the roster.

I would suspect Lou wants Zach to be exposed to NHL playoff hockey so he can get a look at the intensity and sacrifice required to play at this level. I don't expect him to start the playoffs as the Devils second line center.

Rob Blake. I too do not expect Parise to step in and be anything more than a spare player, but stranger things have happened.

I think there was a guy name Ken Dryden who stepped into the Stanley Cup playoffs right out of College :dunno:

:D

Uh huh...
25 years ago...

Uh huh...
25 years ago...


And since your handle is cneely..........I am asumming you're a B's fan???? If you remeber it was Craig Janney fresh off of the US team/College that got the B's past the Devils in 1988.

Uh huh...
25 years ago...


Shall I go on???? Or do we have another theory busted?

If Parcheesy was playing major junior hockey in Canada, we would not even be arguing this point, US college is soft hockey, I know Kariya, Leopold, Morrison, all good players, but this kid will not play in the playoffs this year, granted he may be very good in the future, it is just too early for him.

Shall I go on???? Or do we have another theory busted?
Pat LaFontaine for the Islanders, 1983-84 season, boy they really got us on the run on this! :p

And since your handle is cneely..........I am asumming you're a B's fan???? If you remeber it was Craig Janney fresh off of the US team/College that got the B's past the Devils in 1988.

Rob Blake played 8 playoff games the year he came out of college.

Craig Janney had numbers in College that blow away Parise, and didn't exactly light it up in the playoffs, despite playing a ton of time with Neely. He also came in 15 games before the regular season ended so he had a couple of months to aclimatize himself.

Rob Blake played 8 playoff games the year he came out of college.

Craig Janney had numbers in College that blow away Parise, and didn't exactly light it up in the playoffs, despite playing a ton of time with Neely. He also came in 15 games before the regular season ended so he had a couple of months to aclimatize himself.

Neal Broten
1980-81 U. of Minnesota NCAA 36 17 54 71 56
1980-81 Minnesota North Stars NHL 3 2 0 2 12 Playoffs: 19 1 7 8 9


Shall I go on??? Or are you willing to admitt Defeat

Rob Blake played 8 playoff games the year he came out of college.

Craig Janney had numbers in College that blow away Parise, and didn't exactly light it up in the playoffs, despite playing a ton of time with Neely. He also came in 15 games before the regular season ended so he had a couple of months to aclimatize himself.
Craig Janney had six goals with 10 assists in 23 games in those playoffs......that's pretty damn good if you ask me.

Shall I go on???? Or do we have another theory busted?


LOL...

3 players in the last 25 years. Sounds like you blew my theory all to hell...

Neal Broten
1980-81 U. of Minnesota NCAA 36 17 54 71 56
1980-81 Minnesota North Stars NHL 3 2 0 2 12 Playoffs: 19 1 7 8 9


Shall I go on??? Or are you willing to admitt Defeat



8 pts, hold the phone, your point is proven ! I concede !!

Craig Janney had six goals with 10 assists in 23 games in those playoffs......that's pretty damn good if you ask me.


16 points in 23 games is an impact, to be sure. But it's very obvious that guys like him are the exception, not the norm.

I'm just not a Craig Janney fan at all. Way too soft to be a Bruin.

This argument is really stupid. For one, no one is expecting Parise to come in and lead the team in the playoffs - we may dream about it, but we're not unrealistic. Parise can come in and contribute like everyone else, as long as he has heart and skill he will be a sucessful member of any NHL team, no matter when he joins the team.

For two, regardless of whether or not he does become an impact player, this is good for NJ. He can join Albany for the remainder of the season, then spend the summer under the tutelage of people like Vladimir Bure, Bobby Carpenter, and John MacLean working on honing his game for next year. If there isn't a year, he plays for Albany.




On a completely different note, this makes me wonder on the injury Friesen sustained last night - is this a quick fix to try to fill his shoes? No one knows anything about his injury, so I really am unsure. It's not a very Lamoriello-like move if that's the case, though.

LOL...

3 players in the last 25 years. Sounds like you blew my theory all to hell...


Well you asked for just 1.


Ken Morrow:
1978-79 Bowling Green State University NCAA 45 15 37 52 2
1979-80 U.S. Olympic Team Intl 63 5 20 25 12
1979-80 New-York Islanders NHL 18 0 3 3 4: Playoffs 20 1 2 3 12

Joe Nieuwendyk:
1986-87 Cornell University NCAA 23 26 26 52 26
1986-87 Canadian National Team Intl 5 2 0 2 0
1986-87 Calgary Flames NHL 9 5 1 6 0 Playoffs: 6 2 2 4 0


Shall I go on???

This argument is really stupid. For one, no one is expecting Parise to come in and lead the team in the playoffs - we may dream about it, but we're not unrealistic. Parise can come in and contribute like everyone else, as long as he has heart and skill he will be a sucessful member of any NHL team, no matter when he joins the team.

For two, regardless of whether or not he does become an impact player, this is good for NJ. He can join Albany for the remainder of the season, then spend the summer under the tutelage of people like Vladimir Bure, Bobby Carpenter, and John MacLean working on honing his game for next year. If there isn't a year, he plays for Albany.


You got guys penciling him in as the center on the second line. You really should try to have someone at that position who can make an impact.

I think your second reason is much more realistic. I think it's a great move by Lou to get the guy a look at hard nosed playoff hockey. Just don't expect this signing to radically alter the make up of your team. This year at least.

Well you asked for just 1.


Ken Morrow:
1978-79 Bowling Green State University NCAA 45 15 37 52 2
1979-80 U.S. Olympic Team Intl 63 5 20 25 12
1979-80 New-York Islanders NHL 18 0 3 3 4: Playoffs 20 1 2 3 12

Joe Nieuwendyk:
1986-87 Cornell University NCAA 23 26 26 52 26
1986-87 Canadian National Team Intl 5 2 0 2 0
1986-87 Calgary Flames NHL 9 5 1 6 0 Playoffs: 6 2 2 4 0


Shall I go on???

LMAO.

Really, none of the guys you have listed yet really made a big impact save for maybe Craig Janney. It's one thing to be happy that Parise get the experience of being around NHL playoff hockey. It's quite another to expect him to make a dramatic impact.

You got guys penciling him in as the center on the second line

When he does play......I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts he plays a wing to start his career.

LMAO.

Really, none of the guys you have listed yet really made a big impact save for maybe Craig Janney. It's one thing to be happy that Parise get the experience of being around NHL playoff hockey. It's quite another to expect him to make a dramatic impact.

I think the majority of us dont expect him to come in and be our second line center. We are all just a tad bit just excited that we signed our best prospect in forever.

devils website confirms
http://www.newjerseydevils.com/2004/html/devilsinfo/press_releases/PR20040329.html

Devils Sign Center Zach Parise
2003 First-Round Pick is Hobey Baker Award Finalist

East Rutherford , NJ – The New Jersey Devils today signed center Zach Parise to his first professional contract. The announcement was made by Devils' CEO/President/General Manager Lou Lamoriello. As per team policy, no further terms were disclosed.

“Zach Parise has been one of the top collegiate players in the country over the past two seasons, as well as one of the top players in the past two World Junior tournaments,” said Lamoriello. “He is the type of player who is as good defensively as he is offensively. We look forward to him joining the New Jersey Devils organization.”

Parise, 19, completed his sophomore season at North Dakota (WCHA) tied for third in the nation in scoring with 23 goals and 32 assists for 55 points in 37 games. He is the only returning finalist for the Hobey Baker Award as the top collegiate player. Parise was named First Team All-WCHA in 2003-04. He was tied as the leading scorer and was selected as the most valuable player at the 2004 World Junior Championships in Finland , leading the United States to the Gold Medal.

I think the majority of us dont expect him to come in and be our second line center. We are all just a tad bit just excited that we signed our best prospect in forever.


Agree 100%, he should be real good in the future, just like Jeff Carter!

It's fine to be excited. Hell, the year Hilbert joined the Bruins training camp, I wasted a fantasy pool pick on him.

I'm just trying to bring you guys down to earth. Hell, he could get 30 points and carry the team to the cup, but the chances of that happening are damn slim.

Seriously guys, Parise is a nice player, a great prospect, but to expect him to come in and step into the second line center role in the playoffs with no NHL experience and no size is pretty far fetched.

Andy Hilbert had 64 points in his last year at Michigan, and is comparable in size to Parise. He has yet to make an impact in the NHL, although he has done well in the AHL.


WOW, a Zach Parise/Andy Hilbert comparison.

I saw Andy Hilbert play with Michigan before he turned pro, and I've seen Parise play both this season and last with UND. Now I don't know and refuse to speculate on how much of an impact Parise will make when he makes his pro debut. However, Parise hasn't had the performance consistency problems at UND that Hilbert had Michigan before turning pro. Hilbert may have put up the numbers at Michigan, but his overall performance night in and night out was questionable. Some nights he showed up and played great. Other nights, he looked like he was asleep and/or didn't care.

Furthermore, Hilbert was (by many accounts) expecting to get a spot on the Boston (NOT Providence) Bruins roster the moment he came to Boston, that's why he left Michigan when he did. Now whether Parise is expecting to nab a roster spot upon arrival in NJ, I don't know, but my guess is no.

Hilbert also struggled mightily making the adjustment to the rigors of the pros. Again, whether Parise has similar adjustment issues remains to be seen.

It is too bad they took him out of the NCAA and his education to fill in the blanks for a few playoff games. I know he has the goods but one blown knee later and that education actually looks pretty good.

As for the team, what do the regular season workhorses think about a "wet eared" rookie that has never played for the Devils in any way shape or form taking their roster spot to defend the title - if I'm in the dressing room I'd be a bit pissed.?

Best of luck to him if he makes the roster.

It's fine to be excited. Hell, the year Hilbert joined the Bruins training camp, I wasted a fantasy pool pick on him.


Don't you hate that? I wasted a pick in my fantasy baseball draft on Joe Crede last year because I was overly fixated with having a couple stud rookies. And sadly I picked up Crede again this weekend for this year's league.

I think devildan summed it up best, most of us have realistic expecations, we're just happy to see firsthand if Parise can live up to his considerable hype.

Pandolfo-Madden-Parise

WOW, a Zach Parise/Andy Hilbert comparison.

I saw Andy Hilbert play with Michigan before he turned pro, and I've seen Parise play both this season and last with UND. Now I don't know and refuse to speculate on how much of an impact Parise will make when he makes his pro debut. However, Parise hasn't had the performance consistency problems at UND that Hilbert had Michigan before turning pro. Hilbert may have put up the numbers at Michigan, but his overall performance night in and night out was questionable. Some nights he showed up and played great. Other nights, he looked like he was asleep and/or didn't care.

Furthermore, Hilbert was (by many accounts) expecting to get a spot on the Boston (NOT Providence) Bruins roster the moment he came to Boston, that's why he left Michigan when he did. Now whether Parise is expecting to nab a roster spot upon arrival in NJ, I don't know, but my guess is no.

Hilbert also struggled mightily making the adjustment to the rigors of the pros. Again, whether Parise has similar adjustment issues remains to be seen.

I am not comparing Andy Hilbert to Parise. Hilbert was never half the player Parise is, I'm just saying that to count on a guy who hasn't been incredibly outstanding in college is pure folly.

I am not comparing Andy Hilbert to Parise. Hilbert was never half the player Parise is, I'm just saying that to count on a guy who hasn't been incredibly outstanding in college is pure folly.

To which player are referring to in this comment? to count on a guy who hasn't been incredibly outstanding in college is pure folly

FYI, I've got nothing against Hilbert. He was great at Michigan (when he wanted to be) and I'm glad to see that he's starting to put it all together in the pros. I wish him the best with the Bruins.

Parise not completely outstanding in college?

Check the numbers again :)

Parise has had a good year, but there have certainly been players who've put up better numbers / had better seasons in college, and made minimal impact in the NHL. Names like Kip Miller, Scott Pellerin come to mind.

Parise has had a good year, but there have certainly been players who've put up better numbers / had better seasons in college, and made minimal impact in the NHL. Names like Kip Miller, Scott Pellerin come to mind.


He also has 20 more pts than my Buddy who played for Merrimack college, he is an accountant.

I can't wait for Parise to score a hat trick in his first game and get 4 GWG's against the Flyers in the playoffs. (that one's for you Benny)

Parise has had a good year, but there have certainly been players who've put up better numbers / had better seasons in college, and made minimal impact in the NHL. Names like Kip Miller, Scott Pellerin come to mind.
He is a Sophomore (or was) and has been a Hobey Baker finalist both seasons. He is also the only player named again as a finalist this year. He was also named the MVP of the World Junior Championships as he helped Team USA to its first ever Gold Medal.

Here is what Lou Lamoriello had to say:
Zach Parise has been one of the top collegiate players in the country over the past two seasons, as well as one of the top players in the past two World Junior tournaments," said Lamoriello. "He is the type of player who is as good defensively as he is offensively. We look forward to him joining the New Jersey Devils organization."

This is the whole article from NHL.com (http://nhl.com/onthefly/news/2004/03/208998.html).

I am dumbfounded by this turn! It was a mean trick to change the thread from a "do you think" to a "it is" type, but I am glad that I was wrong about Zach Parise. At the very least, he gives the Devils another body if they need it. At best, Parise is the Devils second-line center.

Zach parise said himself that he is staying in college and will be playing for at least another season or two at UND... Lamorello also agreed that would be a wise choice for him to stay in school...





Exactly correct! He wants a NCAA Championship before he leaves UND... He will be there for next season and why rush him to the Devils when he is certainly not ready to play in the NHL right now. True he can be like Nash in the NHL right now but Lou is not pushing the issue...

I think his 3 mil will make up for it

Here is the official New Jersey Devils press release (http://www.newjerseydevils.com/2004/html/devilsinfo/press_releases/PR20040329.html).

It looks really nice with the Devils logo at the top and bottom.

Damn, I did not see this coming.

He also has 20 more pts than my Buddy who played for Merrimack college, he is an accountant.

Your friend "Buddy" never won the MVP in a world hockey tournament and had his team win the championship.

I'm just trying to bring you guys down to earth. Hell, he could get 30 points and carry the team to the cup, but the chances of that happening are damn slim.

We don't need to be brought down to earth. I didn't see one post by a Devils fan in this thread claiming that Parise would be our playoff messiah and piggyback the team to its 2nd consecutive cup. We're all very excited at the potential impact he can have on this team, but none of us expect anything ridiculous from him. Eventually, we will, but Parise's status with the Devils has been up in the air all year and this gives us a nice sense of closure, even if he doesn't play an NHL game the rest of the year.

We could actually be an offensive powerhouse next year.

Zach Parise
Patrick Elias
Scott Gomez
Brian Gionta
Alex Suglobov


Langs
Friesen
Kozlov

Niedermayer
Rafalski
Martin
Giroux

I like that offense :)

Exactly correct! He wants a NCAA Championship before he leaves UND... He will be there for next season and why rush him to the Devils when he is certainly not ready to play in the NHL right now. True he can be like Nash in the NHL right now but Lou is not pushing the issue...[/QUOTE]

Just a tad bit of embellishment here when you compare a college player (a good one for sure) to Nash, who just happens to be the 3rd teenager to score 40 goals in a season. If Lou thought he had a "Nash" on his hands, he'd of been at that final game with an unbelievable contract waiting for Zach to come off the ice or out of the dressing room.

Who knows that may have actually been the case :)

Exactly correct! He wants a NCAA Championship before he leaves UND... He will be there for next season and why rush him to the Devils when he is certainly not ready to play in the NHL right now. True he can be like Nash in the NHL right now but Lou is not pushing the issue...

Just a tad bit of embellishment here when you compare a college player (a good one for sure) to Nash, who just happens to be the 3rd teenager to score 40 goals in a season. If Lou thought he had a "Nash" on his hands, he'd of been at that final game with an unbelievable contract waiting for Zach to come off the ice or out of the dressing room.

You obviously don't know Hells. He embellishes everything. Don't worry about it. :p

We could actually be an offensive powerhouse next year.

Zach Parise
Patrick Elias
Scott Gomez
Brian Gionta
Alex Suglobov


Langs
Friesen
Kozlov

Niedermayer
Rafalski
Martin
Giroux

I like that offense :)

Add:

Adrian Foster (if healthy)
Tuomas Pihlman

Don't forget the offensive skills of John Madden - I expect a rebound season next year. Assuming there is a next year, and that Madden is still a Devil, of course.

We don't need to be brought down to earth. I didn't see one post by a Devils fan in this thread claiming that Parise would be our playoff messiah and piggyback the team to its 2nd consecutive cup.
I think that the few people who have Parise penciled in as the 2nd line center need to be brought down to earth. It's nothing against Parise, but having a rookie center your 2nd line in the playoffs is not a great idea, especially one who hasn't proven anything in the NHL.

Pitkanen has proven himself and played very well this year, but I still wouldn't want him being our #2 defenseman in the playoffs this early in his career. It's just too much for players their age, IMO.

I think if Parise had been signed in September, he very well could have been a #2 center.

But #2 center after 3 Career NHL games going into the playoffs? No way.

I think that the few people who have Parise penciled in as the 2nd line center need to be brought down to earth. It's nothing against Parise, but having a rookie center your 2nd line in the playoffs is not a great idea, especially one who hasn't proven anything in the NHL.

Pitkanen has proven himself and played very well this year, but I still wouldn't want him being our #2 defenseman in the playoffs this early in his career. It's just too much for players their age, IMO.

Thought I share your concern, it wouldn't be NJ's first time with a rookie in the lineup going into the playoffs. IMO, experiencing the playoffs would be a perfect time to prove yourself and gain valuable experience.

If Lou thought he had a "Nash" on his hands, he'd of been at that final game with an unbelievable contract waiting for Zach to come off the ice or out of the dressing room.
If Lou thought he had a "Nash" on his hands he would've been signed before the season even started. ;)

I think that the few people who have Parise penciled in as the 2nd line center need to be brought down to earth. It's nothing against Parise, but having a rookie center your 2nd line in the playoffs is not a great idea, especially one who hasn't proven anything in the NHL.

Pitkanen has proven himself and played very well this year, but I still wouldn't want him being our #2 defenseman in the playoffs this early in his career. It's just too much for players their age, IMO.

Frankly, no one who penciled that in was serious. Besides, our #2 line is pretty fluid - it changes often. Parise, assuming he was in the lineup, would likely be the fourth line center (in place of Jan Hrdina), then moved around to various other spots in the lineup. Basically, putting him on the second line isn't saying that he is the second best center, but that if he does play he should have some decent talent on either side of him, talent like that of a Kozlov, or a Friesen, as the EGG line is set, as is the Madden line. Would he likely be a #4 center? Yes. Would he be tried in a "#2" role? Yes. The key to understanding this is to understand that designating lines with numbers is arbitrary - Madden was always the #3 center, even when he was probably our best center last season, offensively and defensively.

Thought I share your concern, it wouldn't be NJ's first time with a rookie in the lineup going into the playoffs. IMO, experiencing the playoffs would be a perfect time to prove yourself and gain valuable experience.
Totally agree about it being valuable experience, but being the #2 center going into the playoffs could be overwhelming for a player who's never experienced NHL play before. Being a 4th liner and having to earn your ice time is much more valuable than being handed a roster spot, IMO; which is the way Burns will handle it I'm sure.

I'll be happy if he's given the kind of position Jason Spezza was for last year's Senators. Which is to say, 4th line at even strength, but 2nd unit powerplay. The non-EGG portion of the Devils' PP could seriously use a shakeup.

As for the team, what do the regular season workhorses think about a "wet eared" rookie that has never played for the Devils in any way shape or form taking their roster spot to defend the title - if I'm in the dressing room I'd be a bit pissed.?

Grant Marshall took some of the sting out of it by smashing his hand on Eric Cairns' head. The players Parise is likely to bump range from mostly-AHLers this year (Bicek) to bubble players who weren't part of last year's run anyways (Larionov, Rasmussen). Nobody who played last year and played well this year is going to be healthy-scratched.

Totally agree about it being valuable experience, but being the #2 center going into the playoffs could be overwhelming for a player who's never experienced NHL play before. Being a 4th liner and having to earn your ice time is much more valuable than being handed a roster spot, IMO; which is the way Burns will handle it I'm sure.

What is a #2 center? What is a #4 center? Remember, our "#3" center usually gets most of the ice time in the playoffs - followed by our "#1" in Gomez. Parise would not get more ice time than either Madden or Gomez. Period.

Langenbrunner is scratched because he's "banged up", Friesen sits out 3rd period with a "pinched nerve", Rassmussen has back problems, and then Grant Marshall broke his hand while getting his ass kicked for the umpteenth time.

What's the difference between taking a chance on a kid from college rather than a kid from AHL?

Being a 4th liner and having to earn your ice time is much more valuable than being handed a roster spot, IMO; which is the way Burns will handle it I'm sure.

Agreed. Parise should have to earn his ice time like every other player in the NJ system. Although Parise has been considered a GOD by some, I don't see him playing a lot in the playoffs. This organization rarely rushes top prospects, unless they've been forced to (Gomez, Hale, Martin). That said, what do I know... :p

I'll be happy if he's given the kind of position Jason Spezza was for last year's Senators. Which is to say, 4th line at even strength, but 2nd unit powerplay. The non-EGG portion of the Devils' PP could seriously use a shakeup.



Grant Marshall took some of the sting out of it by smashing his hand on Eric Cairns' head. The players Parise is likely to bump range from mostly-AHLers this year (Bicek) to bubble players who weren't part of last year's run anyways (Larionov, Rasmussen). Nobody who played last year and played well this year is going to be healthy-scratched.

With Parise, I think this is the lineup:

Elias - Gomez - Gionta
Friesen - Kozlov - Brylin
Pandolfo - Madden - Langenbrunner
Rasmussen - Parise - Stevenson

Extras (in order of preferance): Hrdina, Bicek, Larionov*
Injured Reserve: Marshall

*Larionov, if he decides to play, gets in the lineup. He's a proven playoff performer and deserves some icetime.

Though, I would like to see Bicek in the lineup, and if he is, playing with Parise. For some reason I just think they would click.

Question is, how long are Langs and Friesen out?


And, can Parise play wing?

Question is, how long are Langs and Friesen out?


And, can Parise play wing?

Langs was just resting, he's not out. Friesen is the question.
And I don't think so, but Kozlov can.

With Parise, I think this is the lineup:

Elias - Gomez - Gionta
Friesen - Kozlov - Brylin
Pandolfo - Madden - Langenbrunner
Rasmussen - Parise - Stevenson

Extras (in order of preferance): Hrdina, Bicek, Larionov*
Injured Reserve: Marshall

*Larionov, if he decides to play, gets in the lineup. He's a proven playoff performer and deserves some icetime.

Though, I would like to see Bicek in the lineup, and if he is, playing with Parise. For some reason I just think they would click.

What I don't understand is the thought process that Parise is going to just step right in and take a spot from Hrdina or Rasmussen or someone else. Don't get me wrong, I'm confident that he'll be a very good player for the Devils; but why sign him now? It's not like the Devils need to fill a need at center. That's what the Hrdina trade was for, right?

But if Zach steps on the ice and starts making magic, then I'll be happy to have these concerns deflated.

What is a #2 center? What is a #4 center? Remember, our "#3" center usually gets most of the ice time in the playoffs - followed by our "#1" in Gomez. Parise would not get more ice time than either Madden or Gomez. Period.

In New Jersey, it's pretty simple. Regardless of ice time - the #2 center is the one with Freisen on his wing at even strength. The #4 center is the one with Rasmussen or Bicek on his wing.

It's more a question of quality-of-linemates, than of minutes-on-ice.

Thanks to who ever changed my major spelling error, hand a slight brain fart..
It is nice to see zach coming to the devils, he is really good and this is coming from a gopher fan. :D

What I don't understand is the thought process that Parise is going to just step right in and take a spot from Hrdina or Rasmussen or someone else. Don't get me wrong, I'm confident that he'll be a very good player for the Devils; but why sign him now? It's not like the Devils need to fill a need at center. That's what the Hrdina trade was for, right?

But if Zach steps on the ice and starts making magic, then I'll be happy to have these concerns deflated.

That lineup was devolped under the assumption that Parise would be in the lineup. Frankly, unless he is REALLY good, he's not cracking the lineup, especially not with Larionov on the bench.

Exactly correct! He wants a NCAA Championship before he leaves UND... He will be there for next season and why rush him to the Devils when he is certainly not ready to play in the NHL right now. True he can be like Nash in the NHL right now but Lou is not pushing the issue...

Just a tad bit of embellishment here when you compare a college player (a good one for sure) to Nash, who just happens to be the 3rd teenager to score 40 goals in a season. If Lou thought he had a "Nash" on his hands, he'd of been at that final game with an unbelievable contract waiting for Zach to come off the ice or out of the dressing room.[/QUOTE]


What are you talking about, he's already signed, look for him to play against the Rangers Tuesday night. Get with the porgram buddy!

Friesen will be out for tomorrow night's game vs the NYR... Langenbrunner will be back in the line up... If Parise plays he will play the wing with Langenbrunner and Kozlov tomorrow night... When Friesen comes back it will be Friesen and Langenbrunner will move back to the chacking line with Pando and Madden...

Thanks to who ever changed my major spelling error, hand a slight brain fart..
It is nice to see zach coming to the devils, he is really good and this is coming from a gopher fan. :D
Curiuos on how you felt Tallackson did for you guys this year?

Your friend "Buddy" never won the MVP in a world hockey tournament and had his team win the championship.


As a 19 year old and only because our goalie shot it in our own net. Team Canada was full of first year players, USA had like 13 - 19 year olds.

If Parcheesy was playing major junior hockey in Canada, we would not even be arguing this point, US college is soft hockey, I know Kariya, Leopold, Morrison, all good players, but this kid will not play in the playoffs this year, granted he may be very good in the future, it is just too early for him.


Parise scores the overtime goal to end the Bruins playoff run! :lol:

That lineup was devolped under the assumption that Parise would be in the lineup. Frankly, unless he is REALLY good, he's not cracking the lineup, especially not with Larionov on the bench.

Then why would Lou spend the money on him so early?

Theres no doubt in my mind Parise is in the lineup.

Then why would Lou spend the money on him so early?

Theres no doubt in my mind Parise is in the lineup.

I don't know how good he is. We'll find out. He's got a lot of skill, that much is clear, and I think more importantly, the heart to go with it (which brings Elias forcefully to mind), but he's still a collegiate player, not a pro. We'll see how it goes. I think if Vlad Bure gets him we can whip him into shape in just a couple weeks, and just being with Gomez and Elias oughta help him out. Still, with Larionov on the bench it's really a stretch.

Zach Parise will be the next superstar in the NHL. He has many skills and knows how to score and play defense. He is an all around player and some named him the best to come out of college in some time now... He will be an everyday player for the Devils in the playoffs and next season and beyond... :bow:

Quotes from fans of other teams recently about the Devils. Makes me happy :) Everyone is talking about this.

The dev's head scout, Dave Conte was VERY high on Parise after the WJC...

I am willing less and less be playing NJD in the first round.


This kid is going to be the real deal IMO.He'll overcome his size with his York like work ethtic and head for the game.





I thought Parise was a surefire top 10 pick last year. A lot of teams are going to regret passing him over, including the Rangers. He's going to be a player.

Man the way they describe him, I want him in a habs uniform

Parise is a world class talent for his age group and I think he'll do well. I was just hoping we'd get to see him dominate college for another couple years.

When the trade deadline passed, Lou called up Parise and told him that he was going to be signed if he would have a chance to put in a few games in the regular season before the playoffs. He also told him that it was up to the coaching staff where to put him in the lineup or even if they would dress him. And that there would be a hockey season in 2004-05. Thats why he signed now.

Quotes from fans of other teams recently about the Devils. Makes me happy :) Everyone is talking about this.

You forgot the dozens of posts from people saying that Parise is overrated, we're grasping at straws because we're such a desperately untalented team (with more wins and 2 points back of Philly), that prospect X is 100x better than the unproven Parise (because prospect X has proven so much in his 0 games in the NHL), etc. I'm quite amused by the whole spectacle.

I think that if a 19 year old can win the Rocket Richard Trophy (unless Elias can rip it up for the last 3 games) in his second season, then a kid fresh outta college can contribute something in the playoffs. These are strange times indeed. . .

You forgot the dozens of posts from people saying that Parise is overrated, we're grasping at straws because we're such a desperately untalented team (with more wins and 2 points back of Philly), that prospect X is 100x better than the unproven Parise (because prospect X has proven so much in his 0 games in the NHL), etc. I'm quite amused by the whole spectacle.


As always, the truth will likely be somewhere in between.

Certainly, the Devs could use some more scoring up front, I just don't think Parise will be ready for it. Having said that, I'm a huge believer in ice time and confidence, a la Mike Comrie....

I'm sure the Devils are not expecting Zach to come in and produce amazing stats right away, and if he does contirbute in the playoffs in some way, that is a bonus. And the experience of at least being around the Devils during the playoffs should prove to be an invaluable experience for him. I for one am looking forward to seeing him in action....

I hate to crash your party here but I’m wondering if he is eligible to play in the playoffs.

I could be wrong but this seems to be like the same situation that Peter Sejna faced last year. He signed with the Blues and played the very last game of the regular season and even scored the last regular season goal to ever be scored on Patrick Roy. This kid was on fire at the time and I was under the impression that the Blues would have liked to have had him in the playoffs but some rule somewhere would not allow this. NHL post trade dead line rule, NCAA rule ?????? :dunno: Like I say I could be wrong.


Just my two cent…. I’ve watched him play a lot over the last two years. I’ve been really hard on him and he’s always proven me wrong. So I hope he’s going to prove me wrong again when I say that this is the biggest mistake of his life. Make sure you show him the red line when he gets to Jersey. Why would anyone in college (except for senior) jump into an NHL that might not even exist next year? Two more years in college and he would have been your super star. Now that you’ve got him please be patient with him.

Just to toss this into the discussion in how ever way you want to use it:
I haven’t seen anyone talk about his linemates. They also had spectacular seasons on the stats sheet and in the award categories.

Then why would Lou spend the money on him so early?

Theres no doubt in my mind Parise is in the lineup.

I can't help but think about David Hale's situation when you mention this. Lou scooped Hale up in early April after Hale's college season came to an end. Although Hale didn't crack the playoff roster, he wasn't expected to step in and play immediately. I don't think that's what's happening with Parise. Lou has done an excellent job of deciding which prospects need the seasoning in Albany (Voros, Gionta, Madden, White, even Elias) and which prospects can make the jump directly to the NHL (Martin, Gomez, and Hale come to mind), although the former far outnumber the latter.

Here's the difference: Parise still has eligibility in an excellent program and the CBA expires this offseason. Lou isn't signing Parise to play in Albany; obviously, the scouts think he's ready to make an impact. I, for one, can't wait to see what the hype is all about. I'm having my brother tape the game for me tomorrow if Parise plays - I hope there's something worth watching on there when I get it.

If Stevens isn't back for the playoffs, then I really don't expect much from this team. Given that, why not let Parise play and see what he can do? I think most Devils fans are of this mindset (let him play and find his own way) rather than the "#2 centre, leading playoff scorer" mindset.

Exciting times and truly excellent timing for TSN to have the Devs Rangers game tonight! :handclap:

David Conte and Lou have a pact with Satan (not Miroslav). Why Lou doesn't trade all of his top draft picks for late rounders is beyond me. Other teams are so stupid, or Conte uses Voodoo against them so that good players fall into the Devils' lap. How dumb are other teams? I knew last year that Parise was one of the top offensive talents. So how is it he drops to 17? Black magic I guess. Maybe Lou has some incriminating phots of Kevin Lowe to get him to trade that pick. Was Lowe on crack? How is it that a non-nhl GM like myself can see that this guy is going to be for real and 16 other GM's don't? Their thought process must go like this: "You know, Parise isn't that big, and we all know that unless a player is 6'2" he can't make an impact in the NHL. I'll take Alex Stojanov over talent any day of the week!" Idiots. I recognize that many of the top 10 picks were legitimate, but how Parise doesn't get taken earlier is beyond me. You know, it could be God doing this. My hatred of the Devils ensures that picks like this will be coming the Devils' way for years to come. So, Lou, trade your first round picks, cause the other idiot GM's will leave good players for you in later rounds and you can get a good player for the pick you traded away.

I hate to crash your party here but I’m wondering if he is eligible to play in the playoffs.

I could be wrong but this seems to be like the same situation that Peter Sejna faced last year. He signed with the Blues and played the very last game of the regular season and even scored the last regular season goal to ever be scored on Patrick Roy. This kid was on fire at the time and I was under the impression that the Blues would have liked to have had him in the playoffs but some rule somewhere would not allow this. NHL post trade dead line rule, NCAA rule ?????? :dunno: Like I say I could be wrong.


Just my two cent…. I’ve watched him play a lot over the last two years. I’ve been really hard on him and he’s always proven me wrong. So I hope he’s going to prove me wrong again when I say that this is the biggest mistake of his life. Make sure you show him the red line when he gets to Jersey. Why would anyone in college (except for senior) jump into an NHL that might not even exist next year? Two more years in college and he would have been your super star. Now that you’ve got him please be patient with him.

Just to toss this into the discussion in how ever way you want to use it:
I haven’t seen anyone talk about his linemates. They also had spectacular seasons on the stats sheet and in the award categories.

I think the difference is that Senja wasn't St. Louis prior to his signing - he was undrafted. Parise was already Devils' property, so he can play. I think that's the logic, but I don't really know.

David Conte and Lou have a pact with Satan (not Miroslav). Why Lou doesn't trade all of his top draft picks for late rounders is beyond me. Other teams are so stupid, or Conte uses Voodoo against them so that good players fall into the Devils' lap. How dumb are other teams? I knew last year that Parise was one of the top offensive talents. So how is it he drops to 17? Black magic I guess. Maybe Lou has some incriminating phots of Kevin Lowe to get him to trade that pick. Was Lowe on crack? How is it that a non-nhl GM like myself can see that this guy is going to be for real and 16 other GM's don't? Their thought process must go like this: "You know, Parise isn't that big, and we all know that unless a player is 6'2" he can't make an impact in the NHL. I'll take Alex Stojanov over talent any day of the week!" Idiots. I recognize that many of the top 10 picks were legitimate, but how Parise doesn't get taken earlier is beyond me. You know, it could be God doing this. My hatred of the Devils ensures that picks like this will be coming the Devils' way for years to come. So, Lou, trade your first round picks, cause the other idiot GM's will leave good players for you in later rounds and you can get a good player for the pick you traded away.

Don't ya just love it? :rolly:
The key is simple. Conte = genius.

I am here at school and i went through all the threads, and man some people really don't know what they are talking about. I read that some people compare Zach to college playetrs that played in college over 10-25 years ago, I not sure if thoose guys noticed but the game of hockey has changed from run and gun offence to great defence.
The devils have played all year with out him and if he does come in and contribute it is a bonus and if he comes in and struggles then he will know that he needs to work harder and come back next year. I think the idea that he should train with Vlad Bure is a great idea because Gomez said that he was the reason that he did so good the year that he won the caolder trophy.
Overall I am a praise fan i think that he will do good in NJ but comparing him to others from over a decade ago is really dumb. IF he is good that is great and if he is bad/struggles send him to Albany then he will get better.

I am here at school and i went through all the threads, and man some people really don't know what they are talking about. I read that some people compare Zach to college playetrs that played in college over 10-25 years ago, I not sure if thoose guys noticed but the game of hockey has changed from run and gun offence to great defence.
The devils have played all year with out him and if he does come in and contribute it is a bonus and if he comes in and struggles then he will know that he needs to work harder and come back next year. I think the idea that he should train with Vlad Bure is a great idea because Gomez said that he was the reason that he did so good the year that he won the caolder trophy.
Overall I am a praise fan i think that he will do good in NJ but comparing him to others from over a decade ago is really dumb. IF he is good that is great and if he is bad/struggles send him to Albany then he will get better.

Actually you need to go back and read again..........Parise wasn't compared to those players, a dumb comment was made that no player has ever come out of college with no NHL expirence and made an impact in the playoffs. And in the dumb statement, the challange was made to name just one player who has........

To that, the response was:

Dryden, Broten, Morrow, Neiuwendyk, Janney, Blake,......And if I sit down and really think about it, I can probably come up with at least another 5 or 6 players who have come right out of college and turned in good playoff performances.

Sheeezee Bob Carpenter made an impact out of High School scoring like 30+ goals and almost 70 points. (Caps did not make the playoffs that year) So did Tom Barrasso(again didn't make the playoffs)!!

I or any other Devil fan is not making any claims that Parise can come to the Devils and win the Conn Smythe. That is not the point! The point is, if a guy like Parise play in playoffs and look like he belongs, that would be a HUGE success.

I think the difference is that Senja wasn't St. Louis prior to his signing - he was undrafted. Parise was already Devils' property, so he can play. I think that's the logic, but I don't really know.


Correct.

Senja was a free agent, Parise was already Devils property.

Actually you need to go back and read again..........Parise wasn't compared to those players, a dumb comment was made that no player has ever come out of college with no NHL expirence and made an impact in the playoffs. And in the dumb statement, the challange was made to name just one player who has........

To that, the response was:

Dryden, Broten, Morrow, Neiuwendyk, Janney, Blake,......And if I sit down and really think about it, I can probably come up with at least another 5 or 6 players who have come right out of college and turned in good playoff performances.

Sheeezee Bob Carpenter made an impact out of High School scoring like 30+ goals and almost 70 points. (Caps did not make the playoffs that year) So did Tom Barrasso(again didn't make the playoffs)!!

I or any other Devil fan is not making any claims that Parise can come to the Devils and win the Conn Smythe. That is not the point! The point is, if a guy like Parise play in playoffs and look like he belongs, that would be a HUGE success.

Point made and point taken

Can you guys give me one name... Just one name, of any player who stepped in to the NHL at the end of the regular season and not only made an impact in the playoffs, but stayed on the roster.



And I only named College Players!!!! There are tons and tons of other players(Not College Player) who stepped in late with no expieirence and made an impact.....

Sean Burke comes to mind 10 regulars season games then all the way to the Eastern Confrence Finals.........It is actually common.

Let the kid play before anyone makes opinions, he could be a spark plug in the post season. Moving on, it could also be a strategy Lou is using. He will force other coaches to ponder just how to check a guy they've never seen play in the Big League. I think it's a good move, but on the flipside it's one huge risk. Lamoriello needs to have a talk with him and assure him that he will not be judged, his confidence could be shot if he gives a bad pass causing a big turnover, he needs to have peace of mind to really contribute in a tough Eastern Conference.

Lamoriello needs to have a talk with him and assure him that he will not be judged, his confidence could be shot if he gives a bad pass causing a big turnover, he needs to have peace of mind to really contribute in a tough Eastern Conference.

Very good point. Burns and Lou both have to make it crystal clear that he shouldn't be playing tight afraid to make a mistake that might be held against him in September.

Don't ya just love it? :rolly:
The key is simple. Conte = genius.


David Conte NEEDS to go be someone's GM. My goodness, PLEASE go somewhere else! I wish just for sport he had only 9th round picks in a draft. I bet more of those players would make the team in the long run than the Flyers picks.

David Conte NEEDS to go be someone's GM. My goodness, PLEASE go somewhere else! I wish just for sport he had only 9th round picks in a draft. I bet more of those players would make the team in the long run than the Flyers picks.

Bah, no way. This way, when Lou retires, Conte can take over! :p

Kind of an irrelevant question, as I'm still not convinced Parise is a Devil yet, but should he join the big club in the next few games, what number will he wear? :dunno:

Under thirty, there are only three available numbers in 1, 17, and 21...

He's worn #11 his whole life, as that was his dad's (former NHLer J. P. Parise) number in the NHL with the Isles, North Stars and Leafs (among others). I don't see Madden giving it up, though. I guess he'll have to take #17?

#11 could translate into #1 pretty easily...

#17 was his draft pick I think someone else mentioned.

I don't know how good he is. We'll find out. He's got a lot of skill, that much is clear, and I think more importantly, the heart to go with it (which brings Elias forcefully to mind), but he's still a collegiate player, not a pro. We'll see how it goes. I think if Vlad Bure gets him we can whip him into shape in just a couple weeks, and just being with Gomez and Elias oughta help him out. Still, with Larionov on the bench it's really a stretch.

The only point here I would disagree with is the obvious joke about working out with Bure. Parise is already probably in better shape and condition than Bure. He plays 25 minutes a game now at higher tempo than most NHLer's do. I don't think he'll get in better shape in a week! This isn't "Youngblood"! Now, maybe a full summer with a trainer will help him get even stronger, but his endurance is certainly not a problem, nor is speed. Maybe his timing, since in college he is faster than 95% of the players he plays against, and will have to get used to only being faster than 50% of NHLer's, but otherwise skating-wise he is NHL ready right now.

#11 could translate into #1 pretty easily...

#17 was his draft pick I think someone else mentioned.

#1 is really a goalie number. The numbers has only been worn by five different goalies in Devils history -- Chico Resch, Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Peter Sidorkiewicz, Mike Dunham and Jean-Francois Damphousse.

#17 is the lowest available number excluding #1, Daneyko's old #3 and the unlucky number that has never worn by a New Jersey Devils player.

My bet is #17.

The only point here I would disagree with is the obvious joke about working out with Bure. Parise is already probably in better shape and condition than Bure. He plays 25 minutes a game now at higher tempo than most NHLer's do. I don't think he'll get in better shape in a week! This isn't "Youngblood"! Now, maybe a full summer with a trainer will help him get even stronger, but his endurance is certainly not a problem, nor is speed. Maybe his timing, since in college he is faster than 95% of the players he plays against, and will have to get used to only being faster than 50% of NHLer's, but otherwise skating-wise he is NHL ready right now.

No, no, Vladimir Bure, not Pavel or Valeri. Vladimir is their father, and our fitness coach - he has a reputation for being a real tough cookie who will really make you work. He worked with Kozlov and he's like a drill sergeant. That's who I meant. Vladimir Bure is a trainer.

Let the kid play before anyone makes opinions, he could be a spark plug in the post season. Moving on, it could also be a strategy Lou is using. He will force other coaches to ponder just how to check a guy they've never seen play in the Big League. I think it's a good move, but on the flipside it's one huge risk. Lamoriello needs to have a talk with him and assure him that he will not be judged, his confidence could be shot if he gives a bad pass causing a big turnover, he needs to have peace of mind to really contribute in a tough Eastern Conference.
Yeah, but what do we have to lose?

No, no, Vladimir Bure, not Pavel or Valeri. Vladimir is their father, and our fitness coach - he has a reputation for being a real tough cookie who will really make you work. He worked with Kozlov and he's like a drill sergeant. That's who I meant. Vladimir Bure is a trainer.

Aaahhhh. That's right, I remember now. And now that statement makes a little more sense. But I still don't know how much better shape he can get into. Maybe just to get him ready for the longer season (if there IS one), and keep him on the weights.

[Just one name, of any player who stepped in to the NHL at the end of the regular season and not only made an impact in the playoffs, but stayed on the roster.

It's rare but in addition to Dryden, Dino Ciccarelli and Joe Nieuwendyk had splashy debuts late in the season and into the playoffs

Aaahhhh. That's right, I remember now. And now that statement makes a little more sense. But I still don't know how much better shape he can get into. Maybe just to get him ready for the longer season (if there IS one), and keep him on the weights.

The only real rag on Zach I've heard has been a lack of endurance over a 40 game season - many people I've heard from have said he looks tired at the end of it and needs to work on conditioning for a longer, more physical season. A summer with Vlad should help him with that.

Zach Parise will be fine and he will win the Calder trophy next season... :D he will be like Rick nash next season. Parise is the bomb and will be a great player in the NHL and for the Devils... Parise will make a HUGE impact in the playoffs this year and will be a HUGE part of the Devils next season... :yo:

Hells, if Parise plays in the playoffs will he be a legal rookie?

Hells, if Parise plays in the playoffs will he be a legal rookie?

If Parise plays in the playoffs he will not be elegible for the Calder next season.

That seems a bit unfair considering that the playoff performances aren't counted toward the Calder. Oh well, NJD has always been more about the team than personal acheivement...

If Parise plays in the playoffs he will not be elegible for the Calder next season.

Uh, no. These are the only rules of Calder eligibility (from nhl.com):

To be eligible for the award, a player cannot have played more than 25 games in any single preceding season nor in six or more games in each of any two preceding seasons in any major professional league. The player must not be older than 26 years before September 15 of the season in which he is eligible.



Barret Jackman played once regular season game and one postseason game in 2002, yet went on to win the calder the following year.

I think Ken Dryden won the Conn Smyth trophy, then won the Calder the year after.

Uh, no. These are the only rules of Calder eligibility (from nhl.com):

To be eligible for the award, a player cannot have played more than 25 games in any single preceding season nor in six or more games in each of any two preceding seasons in any major professional league. The player must not be older than 26 years before September 15 of the season in which he is eligible.



Barret Jackman played once regular season game and one postseason game in 2002, yet went on to win the calder the following year.

My mistake. I got my information from a faulty source - never trust random messageboards.