goaltending situation

With either hiller or giguere out the window... who is the next backup for the ducks? do you guys have another promising upcomer?

this is news to me. any evidence to suggest either of them are gone?

this is news to me. any evidence to suggest either of them are gone?

okay let me rephrase that.... who is the next goalie prospect for the ducks? because chances are one of them are leaving. evidence? hiller has proven himself to be a starter. with two starters why wouldnt you trade away either hiller or giguere to allow them to play somewhere else instead splitting time or riding the pine all season. itd be sensible to get a great return... especially when alot of teams are interested in a starter. and gigueres contract only keeps getting higher... 6mill and then 7 mill... hiller is to resign in 2010... im pretty sure one of them are gone this year... and was just wondering who the potential backup can be.

short answer is we don't really have one, Jean-Philippe Levasseur and Timo Pielmeier are under contract but I don't think either would fare well in the show.

As for their being "a lot of teams interested in a starter" I'd disagree with you. As was written here (http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=3150) the only teams without starting 'tenders next year are Edmonton and Colorado. I'd throw the Islanders in there due to DiPietro's injury history. There's a few backup jobs kicking around but as Mirtle (http://www.fromtherink.com/2009/6/29/928917/2009-nhl-free-agents-big-board) has reasonably suggested, a few of the 'tenders playing this year won't be around next. With the large number of available goaltenders out there it means supply is high and demand is low, ie it's not a good time to be trading a goalie because teams can likely go out and get a replacement relatively cheaply and without giving up assets in the process. Couple that with Giguere's performance last season and his cap hit and this is definitely not the time to trade him as far as I'm concerned.

Hiller probably isn't worth much on the same scale. Sure he had a good season and great playoffs but would you really want to give up the assets to get Hiller (2.39GAA, 0.919SV%) when you could get someone like Scott Clemmensen (2.39, 0.917) as a UFA and probably for less money.

Possible starters are there as UFA's as well, Craig Anderson (2.71, 0.924), Martin Biron (2.76, 0.915). Basically unless a team has a hard on for one of our keepers I have a tough time thinking either one of them has that much value

short answer is we don't really have one, Jean-Philippe Levasseur and Timo Pielmeier are under contract but I don't think either would fare well in the show.

As for their being "a lot of teams interested in a starter" I'd disagree with you. As was written here (http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=3150) the only teams without starting 'tenders next year are Edmonton and Colorado. I'd throw the Islanders in there due to DiPietro's injury history. There's a few backup jobs kicking around but as Mirtle (http://www.fromtherink.com/2009/6/29/928917/2009-nhl-free-agents-big-board) has reasonably suggested, a few of the 'tenders playing this year won't be around next. With the large number of available goaltenders out there it means supply is high and demand is low, ie it's not a good time to be trading a goalie because teams can likely go out and get a replacement relatively cheaply and without giving up assets in the process. Couple that with Giguere's performance last season and his cap hit and this is definitely not the time to trade him as far as I'm concerned.

Hiller probably isn't worth much on the same scale. Sure he had a good season and great playoffs but would you really want to give up the assets to get Hiller (2.39GAA, 0.919SV%) when you could get someone like Scott Clemmensen (2.39, 0.917) as a UFA and probably for less money.

Possible starters are there as UFA's as well, Craig Anderson (2.71, 0.924), Martin Biron (2.76, 0.915). Basically unless a team has a hard on for one of our keepers I have a tough time thinking either one of them has that much value

I think you underestimate where Hiller's stock is right now. Teams will always want a goalie who can "steal" games, and are solid in the playoffs. I don't think comparing Hiller to Clemmensen is entirely fair. The fact that Hiller can command more money on the open market states he is more valuable.

Giguere's value is all in getting rid of his contract. Personally, I don't see it. My guess is we will have another Bryzgalov situation on our hands depending on if we are in the playoff hunt next season.

I think you underestimate where Hiller's stock is right now. Teams will always want a goalie who can "steal" games, and are solid in the playoffs. I don't think comparing Hiller to Clemmensen is entirely fair. The fact that Hiller can command more money on the open market states he is more valuable.

Giguere's value is all in getting rid of his contract. Personally, I don't see it. My guess is we will have another Bryzgalov situation on our hands depending on if we are in the playoff hunt next season.

You may be correct on Hiller. I used Clemmensen as an example as he came in in a similar situation when Broduer went down and put up similar numbers to Hiller. Maybe the better example is Anderson, he put up very respectable numbers on a Florida team with weaker defence than ours. I'd be surprised if he got more than a $2m cap hit for a couple of years.

In a market with fewer viable UFA options available I'd say Hiller's value was pretty high but as the market stands now I think teams would prefer to keep their assets and fill the hole via free agency

I think you underestimate where Hiller's stock is right now. Teams will always want a goalie who can "steal" games, and are solid in the playoffs. I don't think comparing Hiller to Clemmensen is entirely fair. The fact that Hiller can command more money on the open market states he is more valuable.

Giguere's value is all in getting rid of his contract. Personally, I don't see it. My guess is we will have another Bryzgalov situation on our hands depending on if we are in the playoff hunt next season.

agreed....

craig anderson and martin biron is not on the same level as giguere. if ducks can get rid of his contract for a sensible return itd be better to do so... spending 1.3 mill on hiller this upcoming year and using that 6 mill that would have been used to sign giguere to sign a potential stud forward or defense wouldnt be so bad...
in terms of teams looking for a goalie... this isnt just any goalie... giguere is an all-star and many teams would be interested... and someone who can take some space is toronto.

I thought the Kings still need a starting netminder?

But as for who the ducks have in the pipeline worthy of note would probably be the 3rd round Russian they drafted this past draft because no one else seems to scream with obvious talent.

I thought the Kings still need a starting netminder?

But as for who the ducks have in the pipeline worthy of note would probably be the 3rd round Russian they drafted this past draft because no one else seems to scream with obvious talent.

Man if the kings got some actual goaltending instead of waiting for bernier. theyd be a force to be reckoned with.

anyways back to my original quesiton... so theres no real goalie prospects huh? whats the name of the kid who got drafted this year?

hiller has proven himself to be a starter.

oh common now...1 season and you know he is proven starter?
he looks like he can be #1 - that's all

if he can have another season like this ok, but not after 1season and PO

Man if the kings got some actual goaltending instead of waiting for bernier. theyd be a force to be reckoned with.

anyways back to my original quesiton... so theres no real goalie prospects huh? whats the name of the kid who got drafted this year?

Igor Bobkov (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/5757)

I suppose we will re-sign LeNeveu too, who currently is our best goalie in the system. Or is Pielmeier projected to be in the AHL next season?

Being without an AHL team aint good, especieally for our young goalies who are likely to be backups where they are.

craig anderson and martin biron is not on the same level as giguere.

Apologies if it came over that way, I didn't mean to infer that either were of the level of JS, I was suggesting them more as reasonably priced starters for other teams as opposed to giving us assets and giving up the cap room in order to acquire JS. I don't think there is a market there for him at the minute and, as I've stated before, if one of our goaltenders is traded I would prefer it to be Hiller as he is at his peak value without showing consistently (over a couple of years) that he is a #1.

I think LA may look towards FA for a 'tender if there is the right one available but from what I've read I get the impression DL will stick with the youth movement, even in goal.

Also, Budaj has re-signed with the Avs tonight (1 year @ $1.25m, I expected him to get less to be honest), potentially taking away one of the starting positions (I hope not for the sake of Av's fans) remaining.