We have to trade with the Nashville Predators !!!

We're still looking for a puck moving d-men and it won't happen via free agency. Nashville was already loaded at that position and drafted Ryan Ellis in the 1st round round (11th overall) and picked up Charles-Olivier Roussel in the 2nd round (42nd overall).

They already have Shea Weber, Ryan Suter, Dan Hamhuis, Kevin Klein, Jon Blum, Cody Franson and they just added 2 great youngsters at the draft !!! I'm shure that a guy like Hamhuis can be had for a roster player like Zubrus and a late pick or a prospect like Bergfors and a pick.

I really hope that Lou is on the phone working on some kind of deal with Nashville cause those guys are loaded wit PMD and would be the perfect "dance partner".

* I could've put this in the offseason thread but I thought it deserved more "attention".

Can you change the title? You made it sound like it was a done deal, but this is just speculation.

oh do we?!?!?!?!?!

Having depth makes assets available, it doesn't make them cheap.

Ryan Suter. Boing.

Dan Hamhuis is a puck-moving defenseman? His career-high is 38 points and that is his only season with more than 30 points.

Cody Franson is going to be a great player some day. I think NJ could get him at a small price and groom him to be a top 4 d-man easily.

I didn't know that every puck-moving d-man in the league played for Nashville.

Dan Hamhuis is a puck-moving defenseman? His career-high is 38 points and that is his only season with more than 30 points.

What's Martin's career high in points? Oduya's?

Hamhuis is a great defenseman and would be a good fit in New Jersey. We won't get him for Zubrus + late pick though.

I want Ryan Suter desperately.

I'm shure that a guy like Hamhuis can be had for a roster player like Zubrus and a late pick or a prospect like Bergfors and a pick.


Nobody wants Zubrus.

I'd love to get Dan Hamhuis but nothing from Nashville will come cheap.

Nobody wants Zubrus.

I don't get how he's thrown into every trade package

Devil fans bash him because of poor play, then think other teams would take him

Having depth makes assets available, it doesn't make them cheap.

I understand but it will cost us alot less to acquire a PMD from a team that is stacked at that position then let's say Brent Burns in Minny since he's the only one they have with maybe Zidlicky.

I'm not saying that Nashville will let one of them walk for peanuts but they might not be as demanding.

Well it's safe to say they won't trade Weber, so that leaves Suter and Hamhuis as preferable acquisitions. You can bet we're giving up:
Tedenby/Bergfors/Cormier/Josefson
1st
More?

What's Martin's career high in points? Oduya's?

Hamhuis is a great defenseman and would be a good fit in New Jersey. We won't get him for Zubrus + late pick though.

Where did i say he is not a very good dman and would fit in NJ? He is just not a puck-moving dman. And yes Zubrus and a late pick won't get it done.

Martin and Oduya both had more points last season than Hamhuis. Hamhuis is offensively around as good as Oduya and imo both are slightly behind Martin.

I understand but it will cost us alot less to acquire a PMD from a team that is stacked at that position then let's say Brent Burns in Minny since he's the only one they have with maybe Zidlicky.

I'm not saying that Nashville will let one of them walk for peanuts but they might not be as demanding.

For Hamhuis we would probably have to give up a good prospect as well as a high pick to go along with and average roster player.

We're still looking for a puck moving d-men and it won't happen via free agency. Nashville was already loaded at that position and drafted Ryan Ellis in the 1st round round (11th overall) and picked up Charles-Olivier Roussel in the 2nd round (42nd overall).

They already have Shea Weber, Ryan Suter, Dan Hamhuis, Kevin Klein, Jon Blum, Cody Franson and they just added 2 great youngsters at the draft !!! I'm shure that a guy like Hamhuis can be had for a roster player like Zubrus and a late pick or a prospect like Bergfors and a pick.

I really hope that Lou is on the phone working on some kind of deal with Nashville cause those guys are loaded wit PMD and would be the perfect "dance partner".

* I could've put this in the offseason thread but I thought it deserved more "attention".
Yea i never realized that all these other teams, including Nashville, would be so eager to take an underachieving, overpaid player like Zubrus. Get it done Lou. :shakehead

Where did i say he is not a very good dman and would fit in NJ? He is just not a puck-moving dman. And yes Zubrus and a late pick won't get it done.

Martin and Oduya both had more points last season than Hamhuis. Hamhuis is offensively around as good as Oduya and imo both are slightly behind Martin.

Sigh.

The point is that Martin and Oduya are typically around Hamhuis' point level, yet they are puck-moving defenseman, thus your argument is bunk. Point level and puck-moving prowess are not always correlated.

Well it's safe to say they won't trade Weber, so that leaves Suter and Hamhuis as preferable acquisitions. You can bet we're giving up:
Tedenby/Bergfors/Cormier/Josefson
1st
More?

wtf? That's like giving up our whole future. If we were to make a trade like that, it would have to be for a more higher caliber player than Suter or Hamuis in my opinion.

wtf? That's like giving up our whole future. If we were to make a trade like that, it would have to be for a more higher caliber player than Suter or Hamuis in my opinion.

You're misinterpreting. Not all of those prospects are in the deal, hence the /

You know what the scary part about everyone wanting a Puck moving guy is?

I really believe Lou thinks with Martin Oduya(if he re-signs) Greene(If he Re-signs) and possibly Corrente that he doesnt need to sign the big PMD.

I agree we need someone but i could see Lou not wanting to spend the money with the cap going down. With Eckford, Burlon, and maybe Gelinas. I think Lou might sign more of a Steady veteran Dman not the PMD we all agree we need. Then either save the money for next year or another forward. Just a guess.

You know what the scary part about everyone wanting a Puck moving guy is?

I really believe Lou thinks with Martin Oduya(if he re-signs) Greene(If he Re-signs) and possibly Corrente that he doesnt need to sign the big PMD.

I agree we need someone but i could see Lou not wanting to spend the money with the cap going down. With Eckford, Burlon, and maybe Gelinas. I think Lou might sign more of a Steady veteran Dman not the PMD we all agree we need. Then either save the money for next year or another forward. Just a guess.

If Lou signs another stay at home defenseman I will riot, especially if he does so without trading either White or Salvador.

Yea i never realized that all these other teams, including Nashville, would be so eager to take an underachieving, overpaid player like Zubrus. Get it done Lou. :shakehead

Wich roster player actually has value on our roster other then Parise, Langenbrunner, Zajac and Elias ?!?!?! Brian Rolston and Dainius Zubrus IMO. Rolston is older then Zubrus and has a bigger cap hit with less years then Zubrus so it would only make sense (to me anyways) to offer Zubrus.

People on these boards keep on blasting Zubrus for no apparent reason. He was our 2nd line center and wasn't the right player for that role IMO and I think that Rolston was supposed to get that job when Lou signed him last off season but injuries kicked in and we all no what happend after that.

Zubrus is signed at a reasonnable price and is a big body that works wonders in the corners and would be a very solid 3rd line center for any team in the league.

If Lou signs another stay at home defenseman I will riot, especially if he does so without trading either White or Salvador.

I am not saying that. I am saying that me might sign someone who is mobile just not a big point guy. Or no one He has Corrente and Mottau who can be on that last pairing. Maybe he signs someone who has the skills Mottau has just better.

With Martin, White, Sal, Oduya(?), Greene(?), Mottau, Corrente, and maybe Leach he might not feel the pressure to grab a high priced puck mover and decide to go with another forward.

You're misinterpreting. Not all of those prospects are in the deal, hence the /

oh, I see.

We're still looking for a puck moving d-men and it won't happen via free agency. Nashville was already loaded at that position and drafted Ryan Ellis in the 1st round round (11th overall) and picked up Charles-Olivier Roussel in the 2nd round (42nd overall).

They already have Shea Weber, Ryan Suter, Dan Hamhuis, Kevin Klein, Jon Blum, Cody Franson and they just added 2 great youngsters at the draft !!! I'm shure that a guy like Hamhuis can be had for a roster player like Zubrus and a late pick or a prospect like Bergfors and a pick.

I'd love a trade for one of Nashville's D, but realistically the Preds are just building a continuous pipeline of talent like a good organization ought to.

The guys they drafted this weekend are likely 2-3 years away from contributing. By then, Hamhuis may have already left via free agency. Ditto Kevin Klein.

Blum just finished his junior eligibility, so I'd expect him to do at least one year in the AHL. With their depth, they have the luxury of bringing their guys along gradually.

I guess I wouldn't be surprised if they moved Franson for an established scorer. I wouldn't classify Bergfors as that, and I really wouldn't want Zubrus' contract if I were the Preds.

Rolston for Franson? :dunno:

Rolston for Franson? :dunno:

I think you hate Rolston as much as Muttley hates the Rangers

I think you hate Rolston as much as Muttley hates the Rangers

Impossible.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8775/bergfors.jpg

Salvador+Pando+Zubrus+Rolston for them.

The ultimate salary dump! :sarcasm:

I want Ryan Suter desperately.

Yes!

Wich roster player actually has value on our roster other then Parise, Langenbrunner, Zajac and Elias ?!?!?! Brian Rolston and Dainius Zubrus IMO. Rolston is older then Zubrus and has a bigger cap hit with less years then Zubrus so it would only make sense (to me anyways) to offer Zubrus.

People on these boards keep on blasting Zubrus for no apparent reason. He was our 2nd line center and wasn't the right player for that role IMO and I think that Rolston was supposed to get that job when Lou signed him last off season but injuries kicked in and we all no what happend after that.

Zubrus is signed at a reasonnable price and is a big body that works wonders in the corners and would be a very solid 3rd line center for any team in the league.
Because he sucks? Or better yet, because he makes 3.5 million and sucks? Listen, if Zubrus' contract was more reasonable at say 2 million or so, i would agree that he has some value. However, the fact that he is overpaid makes it extremely difficult to move him, meaning we would need to give up more than usual to unload him AND HIS SALARY. Therefore he almost has negative value in a trade. Also i do not want to move Bergfors. Hopefully the checking line will officially be no more after Madden leaves (likely, hopefully). Meaning we can actually have an offensive 3rd line with Shanny on left, Bergfors on right, and a cheap FA in the middle (or even Zubs since we wont be able to move him).

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8775/bergfors.jpg

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I was waiting for it. Always good for a laugh.

I think you hate Rolston as much as Muttley hates the Rangers

I don't think I hate him that much, but yeah, it's getting there.

I don't think I hate him that much, but yeah, it's getting there.

I'm right there with you, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt this season and let him start at neutral again. But, if he continues on the path he's on, he will be the new one drawing all of my ire while perhaps I overlook the shortcomings of others.

I have it out for that mother ****er. haha. But at least I'm going to let him prove me wrong.

I'm right there with you, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt this season and let him start at neutral again. But, if he continues on the path he's on, he will be the new one drawing all of my ire while perhaps I overlook the shortcomings of others.

I have it out for that mother ****er. haha. But at least I'm going to let him prove me wrong.

I think I might wind up going that route too. He made my expectations of him even higher after those Sutter comments. He has some big shoes to fill in my hockey heart.

I think I might wind up going that route too. He made my expectations of him even higher after those Sutter comments. He has some big shoes to fill in my hockey heart.

30 goal season or bust.

30 goal season or bust.

He is going to need at least a 60 point campaign to make me happy and make up for the lack of production Bergfors will probably have and the absence of Gionta, which is if we don't sign Gio.

All this Zubrus hate it unwarranted. He played top 6 minutes and oh look at that he was 6th on the team in points. I don't know what you people want from this guy other than to make him the whipping boy.

His contract is the reason for the ill will.

Next year hopefully we see him centering a 3rd line with Clarkaround on his wing.

All this Zubrus hate it unwarranted. He played top 6 minutes and oh look at that he was 6th on the team in points. I don't know what you people want from this guy other than to make him the whipping boy.

His contract is the reason for the ill will.

Next year hopefully we see him centering a 3rd line with Clarkaround on his wing.
Hahaha sure he was 6th in points...just block out the fact that he was 20 points behind the guy who was 5th. 40 points in 82 games while getting top 6 minutes as you said, is garbage. Zubrus wouldnt even have 40 points if it wasnt for good seasons by Gio and Elias. Clarkson and Rolston both had equal or more goals (Rolston played 20 games less) than Zubrus. Yea that's right, David Clarkson had more goals than Zubrus. Now do you understand why is he disliked by so many? Oh yea and he didnt show up at all in the playoffs, is extremely inconsistent, very slow with the puck, often make errant passes to no one, holds onto the puck too long, etc. The list really goes on and on for anyone that actually focuses on him on the ice. The only think he is good for is winning puck along the board. You do not deserve 3.5 mil just for being a big body along the boards.

If this guy actually showed up every game i wouldnt hate him.

Hahaha sure he was 6th in points...just block out the fact that he was 20 points behind the guy who was 5th. 40 points in 82 games while getting top 6 minutes as you said, is garbage. Zubrus wouldnt even have 40 points if it wasnt for good seasons by Gio and Elias. Clarkson and Rolston both had equal or more goals (Rolston played 20 games less) than Zubrus. Yea that's right, David Clarkson had more goals than Zubrus. Now do you understand why is he disliked by so many? Oh yea and he didnt show up at all in the playoffs, is extremely inconsistent, very slow with the puck, often make errant passes to no one, holds onto the puck too long, etc. The list really goes on and on for anyone that actually focuses on him on the ice. The only think he is good for is winning puck along the board. You do not deserve 3.5 mil just for being a big body along the boards.

If this guy actually showed up every game i wouldnt hate him.
You get $3.4M for being offensively capable, defensively excellent, physical, and versatile.

Hahaha sure he was 6th in points...just block out the fact that he was 20 points behind the guy who was 5th. 40 points in 82 games while getting top 6 minutes as you said, is garbage. Zubrus wouldnt even have 40 points if it wasnt for good seasons by Gio and Elias. Clarkson and Rolston both had equal or more goals (Rolston played 20 games less) than Zubrus. Yea that's right, David Clarkson had more goals than Zubrus. Now do you understand why is he disliked by so many? Oh yea and he didnt show up at all in the playoffs, is extremely inconsistent, very slow with the puck, often make errant passes to no one, holds onto the puck too long, etc. The list really goes on and on for anyone that actually focuses on him on the ice. The only think he is good for is winning puck along the board. You do not deserve 3.5 mil just for being a big body along the boards.

If this guy actually showed up every game i wouldnt hate him.

What an inaccurate post.

Zubrus is a good player. The only reason he draws the ire of so many is because of his contract, which overpays him by about $1M. The guy is great along the boards, great defensively, and averages around 40 points a season. That's a productive player. The contract is bad, but not horrible.