Pronger to St. Louis? (per Eklund)

If you're inclined to put any stock at all into what Eklund "reports" (and some would call you a fool if you did), this little tidbit is interesting fodder:

"The Blues are once again very seriously considering making a run at Pronger. Could happen this weekend." (e3)

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Jay-Bo-to-VAN-e4-Blues-and-Pronger-e3--Isles-may-fly-1-to-Nassau/1/21717

He also mentioned something about a Heatley-to-Boston deal that could send Kessel our way somehow. I doubt it, but it sounds interesting.

No more Eklund!!!

Well at least Eklund knows Strickland who has insider info on the Blues. That's the only reason I think there is a small chance it might happen, and I said small chance, a very small one.

I wish we could keep Ducks section Fakelund Free Zone.

The guy is simply full of ****, his hitrate is close to zero (check out www.hockeybuzzhogwash.com) and he simply throws out crap which is then consumed by action-starved hockey fans.

Somebody lock this thread.

His success rate is close to 3% for every rumour he reports. If you believe much more than 3% of all trade talks materialize, you're dreaming. I'm not saying Ek's the most reliable source, but he has his moments and really does seem quite connected. That hockeybuzzhogwash site just seems to be made up of a bunch of jealous internet fanboys who can't stand that Ek is living their literal dream.

His success rate is close to 3% for every rumour he reports. If you believe much more than 3% of all trade talks materialize, you're dreaming. I'm not saying Ek's the most reliable source, but he has his moments and really does seem quite connected. That hockeybuzzhogwash site just seems to be made up of a bunch of jealous internet fanboys who can't stand that Ek is living their literal dream.

Wrong.

His success rate is close to 3% for every rumour he reports. If you believe much more than 3% of all trade talks materialize, you're dreaming. I'm not saying Ek's the most reliable source, but he has his moments and really does seem quite connected. That hockeybuzzhogwash site just seems to be made up of a bunch of jealous internet fanboys who can't stand that Ek is living their literal dream.

Eklund is connected like few. I guess his connections makes up rumors for him so he can make a fool of himself on his blog. I can only remember Eklund having one rumor becoming reality a couple of years ago, which btw was rumoured everywhere so he shouldn't even get to much credit for that one.

Eklund is connected like few. I guess his connections makes up rumors for him so he can make a fool of himself on his blog. I can only remember Eklund having one rumor becoming reality a couple of years ago, which btw was rumoured everywhere so he shouldn't even get to much credit for that one.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=8333

Posts like yours are the biggest signs of blatant ignorance on the subject. Eklund has done quite a bit over the last couple years, but everytime he gets something people say stuff like "even a broken clock is right twice a day".

Wrong.

Wow, way to add to the conversation. Well, I can definitely say I'm right on both accounts, as Eklund does indeed have his moments, and it's pretty clear to me that the hockeybuzzhogwash staff would do anything to trade places with him in an instant.

It's not the 3% rate that's so bad, it's that he seems completely blindsided by so many deals. If he were as hooked up as his fanboys seem to think then there should be a lot fewer out of the blue deals that he didn't catch a whisper of.

OTOH, maybe a lot of deals happen so quickly that he doesn't catch wind before they do happen. But that seems to argue that his usefulness is extremely limited.

His success rate is close to 3% for every rumour he reports. If you believe much more than 3% of all trade talks materialize, you're dreaming. I'm not saying Ek's the most reliable source, but he has his moments and really does seem quite connected. That hockeybuzzhogwash site just seems to be made up of a bunch of jealous internet fanboys who can't stand that Ek is living their literal dream.

Fail.

First of all, we don't know how many actual trade talks there are and how much of Fakelund's stuff is simply stuff he made up himself.

Secondly, if you know that say Heatley is moved, you can predict any team in the league and you have a roughly 3% chance of getting it right.

Thirdly, even his 100% guaranteed E5's are 99% of the time already reported on other sites (TSN, Sportsnet etc).

This year he has 457 rumors of which 15 have materialized, of those 15 several were reported on other sites first and also several of them were like "player XXX will be signed by team A, B or C".

So in short he's simply full of ****.

Secondly, if you know that say Heatley is moved, you can predict any team in the league and you have a roughly 3% chance of getting it right.

Quote of the day :biglaugh:

Fail.

First of all, we don't know how many actual trade talks there are and how much of Fakelund's stuff is simply stuff he made up himself.

Secondly, if you know that say Heatley is moved, you can predict any team in the league and you have a roughly 3% chance of getting it right.

Thirdly, even his 100% guaranteed E5's are 99% of the time already reported on other sites (TSN, Sportsnet etc).

This year he has 457 rumors of which 15 have materialized, of those 15 several were reported on other sites first and also several of them were like "player XXX will be signed by team A, B or C".

So in short he's simply full of ****.

Actually this post is more of a fail. To imply that he can get lucky as often as you think he can is absurd. How many times do you think you can simply guess where a player's going and get it right? Very few. Yet he's done it quite a few times. Even if he throws 3 teams out, the chances of him being right are highly unlikely. Yet he can be. Again, he's not the world's most reputable source, far from it, but to doubt he is somewhat connected is idiocy.

It's not the 3% rate that's so bad, it's that he seems completely blindsided by so many deals. If he were as hooked up as his fanboys seem to think then there should be a lot fewer out of the blue deals that he didn't catch a whisper of.

OTOH, maybe a lot of deals happen so quickly that he doesn't catch wind before they do happen. But that seems to argue that his usefulness is extremely limited.

On the other hand, though, it isn't like this doesn't happen to big media outlets. TSN reports rumours, too, and a lot of them don't materialize. And by watching a deadline day show or a free agency day show, you can tell that a lot of deals blindside them too and catch them off guard.

He had no clue on our deadline deals or the deal for Whitney so as far as the Ducks go, his sources seem limited.

I'd be all for keeping this boar Eklund-free.

Actually this post is more of a fail. To imply that he can get lucky as often as you think he can is absurd. How many times do you think you can simply guess where a player's going and get it right? Very few. Yet he's done it quite a few times. Even if he throws 3 teams out, the chances of him being right are highly unlikely. Yet he can be. Again, he's not the world's most reputable source, far from it, but to doubt he is somewhat connected is idiocy.

With an awareness of team needs, available assets, and cap/budget situations, you can usually narrow possible trade destinations down quite a bit. Throwing out 3 teams when you can already cut the possibilities down to say 10 teams in the league ... right there you've already upped your odds to about 30%.

On the other hand, though, it isn't like this doesn't happen to big media outlets. TSN reports rumours, too, and a lot of them don't materialize. And by watching a deadline day show or a free agency day show, you can tell that a lot of deals blindside them too and catch them off guard.

The difference is, TSN's existence isn't solely predicated on how well they can predict potential trades.

Actually this post is more of a fail. To imply that he can get lucky as often as you think he can is absurd. How many times do you think you can simply guess where a player's going and get it right? Very few. Yet he's done it quite a few times. Even if he throws 3 teams out, the chances of him being right are highly unlikely. Yet he can be. Again, he's not the world's most reputable source, far from it, but to doubt he is somewhat connected is idiocy.

I'm not saying he's totally out of connections, it's like he's the janitor at TSN and just writes stuff he overhears from people in men's restroom.

Calling him "not the world's most reputable source" is the understatement of the year, it's like calling Red Wings the league's least fortunate team in accidental balance problems caused by brushes of air from opponent players skating by.

I doubt that there's any truth to this particular Eklund rumor, but if we were to trade Pronger i think that STL would be the ideal trading partner. They need an upgrade on their D, and they got a lot good young players and prospects to give in exchange.

On the other hand, though, it isn't like this doesn't happen to big media outlets. TSN reports rumours, too, and a lot of them don't materialize. And by watching a deadline day show or a free agency day show, you can tell that a lot of deals blindside them too and catch them off guard.

As Mmbt as said, tsn isn't a site that primarily just reports rumors though. Elkund is wrong 99% of the time. So he has a few "sources" so do people on HF. Hell there's really not a difference. Elkund does what most of us here do when prediciting trade rumors. Once a rumor is heard, usually several key teams are ideal to complete the trade, and we just pick one or two of them and guess. That's pretty much what Elkund does even though he has "sources". The best thing is to just ignore him as an analyst, and just think of him as another fan guessing about trades. What pisses people off is that he gets paid for what he does, when in reality his job could be done just as well by anyone on here. He makes his living feeding off the die hard hockey fans who are bored on their computers.

Hogwash has alot of damning stuff on ekface

As Mmbt as said, tsn isn't a site that primarily just reports rumors though. Elkund is wrong 99% of the time. So he has a few "sources" so do people on HF. Hell there's really not a difference. Elkund does what most of us here do when prediciting trade rumors. Once a rumor is heard, usually several key teams are ideal to complete the trade, and we just pick one or two of them and guess. That's pretty much what Elkund does even though he has "sources". The best thing is to just ignore him as an analyst, and just think of him as another fan guessing about trades. What pisses people off is that he gets paid for what he does, when in reality his job could be done just as well by anyone on here. He makes his living feeding off the die hard hockey fans who are bored on their computers.

Correct. He is just a fan. He has friends within an organization. Hey, I have friends within the Ducks organization. Most any poster here on HF or HB can do what he does. He just put a site together, because he loves hockey. Props to him, because the 99.9% of the people here could of thought of it and done it first and made some good money doing it. You have a 1 in 29 chance of correctly identifying a rumour that will turn true if the player in question changes teams. The one thing Ek does not do is study what each team needs are (with maybe the exception of Flyers, since that is his team). He is definitely not the Mel Kiper of hockey.

give us kariya, solves our center problem, cuz ebbett can play that and we have kariya as our playmaker for the flash. sign beauchemin, looking pretty

ryan-getzlaf-perry
kariya-ebbett-selanne
etc

niedermayer-beauchemin
whitney-wish
etc

give us kariya, solves our center problem, cuz ebbett can play that and we have kariya as our playmaker for the flash. sign beauchemin, looking pretty

ryan-getzlaf-perry
kariya-ebbett-selanne
etc

niedermayer-beauchemin
whitney-wish
etc

Kariya solves absoutely nothing, he is an overpaid, injury prone perimeter player who is way past his prime.

give us kariya, solves our center problem, cuz ebbett can play that and we have kariya as our playmaker for the flash. sign beauchemin, looking pretty

ryan-getzlaf-perry
kariya-ebbett-selanne
etc

niedermayer-beauchemin
whitney-wish
etc

epic fail.

Kariya and his 6 million cap hit have no place on this team (all other issues aside)...

maybe 10 years ago when Teamu and him are magic, but they are both declining players and ebbett is no Steve Ruchin.

They would be the most undersized, defensively terrible line in the league.

I seriously hope Murray saying Niedermayer hasn't responded is just politics, because otherwise I'd be done with him.

He's an amazing player, but he has passed his deadline and he can't hold the rest of the team hostage... its just bad for the entire organization.

I can only guess that Murray has a hardon to get rid of Pronger and/or Giguere and he just wants to make sure Nieds is coming back before making a move.

I've read that Pronger & Carlyle have major problems, that Pronger is a major jerk in the locker room, etc. But it can't be so bad that the team couldn't survive with him. They won a cup together, and the man has decent enough sense to presentable. I'm sure something could be worked at.

He's still one of the best offensive D-men in the world, a great transition player, and a decent defender against slower/bigger forwards.

I also don't see how Nieds situation has any impact on Jiggy.

Extend Pronger, trade Jiggy, sign reasonable UFAs, and prey on teams looking for salary dumps.

As Mmbt as said, tsn isn't a site that primarily just reports rumors though. Elkund is wrong 99% of the time. So he has a few "sources" so do people on HF. Hell there's really not a difference. Elkund does what most of us here do when prediciting trade rumors. Once a rumor is heard, usually several key teams are ideal to complete the trade, and we just pick one or two of them and guess. That's pretty much what Elkund does even though he has "sources". The best thing is to just ignore him as an analyst, and just think of him as another fan guessing about trades. What pisses people off is that he gets paid for what he does, when in reality his job could be done just as well by anyone on here. He makes his living feeding off the die hard hockey fans who are bored on their computers.

The point was the mmbt was saying that he has to doubt Eklund's credibility on the matter because trades catch him off guard, and I was mentioning how even the highly regarding TSN guys have trades catch them off guard, too.

Also, I hate when people say they could do what Eklund does, because they can't. Maybe if they had his sources and connections, but they don't. He doesn't guess about anything, he reports what he hears. Unfortunately he reports everything he hears, no matter how credible, but that's besides the point.

Like I've said elsewhere, I invite any poster on HF to go out, with their little sources and their imaginations, and try and do what Eklund does. And see how well it works for you.

If Murray could get Johnson/Pietrangelo and Oshie/Berglund/Perron and a conditional if he resigns with St. Louis I say make the trade.

If Murray could get Johnson/Pietrangelo and Oshie/Berglund/Perron and a conditional if he resigns with St. Louis I say make the trade.

LOL at trying to get that.

Realistic... please.

If Murray could get Johnson/Pietrangelo and Oshie/Berglund/Perron and a conditional if he resigns with St. Louis I say make the trade.

I think Johnson is out of the question, and Pleau said Oshie and Berglund were untouchable, but I definitely think we could get Pietrelangelo and Perron and maybe something else for Pronger, and I'd love that. IMO Pietrelangelo is going to be a stud for many, many years(on a level with Doughty, possibly) and Perron could be an awesome winger to have around for quite a while.

LOL at trying to get that.

Realistic... please.

You do realize I'm talking about two players and a conditional draft pick right? I don't think that's too unrealistic to ask for.

Please try to avoid making this thread into an Eklund-centric mess.

The point was the mmbt was saying that he has to doubt Eklund's credibility on the matter because trades catch him off guard, and I was mentioning how even the highly regarding TSN guys have trades catch them off guard, too.

Also, I hate when people say they could do what Eklund does, because they can't. Maybe if they had his sources and connections, but they don't. He doesn't guess about anything, he reports what he hears. Unfortunately he reports everything he hears, no matter how credible, but that's besides the point.

Like I've said elsewhere, I invite any poster on HF to go out, with their little sources and their imaginations, and try and do what Eklund does. And see how well it works for you.

TSN gets caught off guard by trades, but everyone does. No one, not in any sport, will know days in advance about every trade. However, TSN also uses logic with their rumor section. Like someone else said he just mentions things that do not have any logic.

You clearly just have a higher opinion of Elkund then everyone here. There's nothing wrong with that or anything, but do you know his sources? I mean a source can be ANYTHING. He could have been taking a ***** one day and heard some guys that work the ticket office say something about how well a player would look in their home team's jersey. The next day this would be on his website "Sources are saying that Pronger is enticing to the Blues and a trade could happen draft weekend."

Personally I think you're wrong when you say people on here can't do what he does. Primarily because despite his so many so called "sources" he's still wrong 95% of the time. I'm pretty sure that if someone only knew one source from an orginzation, and they just guessed the rest, well they probably wouldn't be to far off from his accuracy in predicting trades. I don't know though, maybe you know something about his sources that we don't. However, despite all of his sources he's wrong most of the time, and until that changes he holds no credibility in my mind, and apparently none to others as well. If I made a living making trade rumors, I could just go on this board, read every team's home board, and stir up trade rumors from them and call them my sources. That's how broad that term is. The worst mistake he does is that he makes up rumors that have no logic what so ever to them.

I'm not trying to attack you or change your mind. I'm just simply stating that just because he claims to have sources, he's still wrong most of the time, which IMO means that his sources are just stuff he over hears. Yes he's got a few right in the past, but I've predicted some before they were announced too.

I'm not trying to be a ***** or anything, but I won't say much more about Elkund after this post in this thread because the mods asked. Props to the guy though, most of his information is stuff that TSN already reported or rumors that make no since, and he still gets paid for it. Must be nice.

Also, I hate when people say they could do what Eklund does, because they can't. Maybe if they had his sources and connections, but they don't. He doesn't guess about anything, he reports what he hears. Unfortunately he reports everything he hears, no matter how credible, but that's besides the point.

Tell me again, how do you know he actually hears stuff from people and simply doesn't make up stuff?

an eklund rumor is about as credible as my next **** is solid

and guess what i still have salmanella from haiti.

Ugh. Enough already...people care about this guy (one way or the other) way too much. Put any relevant Pronger content in another thread please. Locked.