Rumor: Pronger to Kings for Johnson + 5th overall

Just a rumor, but thought it would be fun to talk about.

Posted on the main boards here:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=650279

It will be a few days until SC Freeze is up.

Pronger for Jack Johnson + 5th overall.

If its true and JJ re-signs, I like it (other than having to face Pronger 6-8 times a year).

Great. If this is true (true being the operative word here), then we got screwed. So we traded a Cup winning defenseman for a kid who's basically demanded a trade from two teams now? Wonderful. How many seasons until Johnson wants to be traded again?

The fifth is nice but I'm not a fan of Johnson in the least.

It's been mentioned that Lombardi did try to acquire Pronger when He was first hired.

This is going to be interesting....

If this does happen, I'm going to have fun digging through old posts of Ducks fans comments about JJ!

At least it wasn't the most overrated player in hockey right Randall?

Wonder if Murray actually wants Johnson or is going to flip him for a forward and re-sign Beauch *if this is true* and I kind of think it is.

Come on guys, be positve, you're aquiring assets & cap space to get Heater (he and Getz looked fantastic together in the past). If this is true you own what picks? 5 and 15?

Come on guys, be positve, you're aquiring assets & cap space to get Heater (he and Getz looked fantastic together in the past). If this is true you own what picks? 5 and 15?

Only 5, no other 1st rounder

Only 5, no other 1st rounder

He was talking to Ducks fans.

I was thinking, if this does in fact go through, perhaps Murray could use this to move up in the draft? Trade Johnson, the 5th, our 15th, and maybe someone else to make a play for the 2nd overall pick? (the 1st would cost too much) That way we could grab either Hedman or Tavares.

Trading Johnson would also give us enough space to resign Beauch, so we wouldn't be depleted on the blueline.

Just a thought.

I was thinking, perhaps Murray could use this to move up in the draft? Trade Johnson, the 5th, our 15th, and maybe someone else to make a play for the 2nd overall pick? (the 1st would cost too much) That way we could grab either Hedman or Tavares.

Trading Johnson would also give us enough space to resign Beauch, so we wouldn't be depleted on the blueline.

Just a thought.

Could be, but I think Murray would like the chance at grooming a potential number 1 to take over when Nieds is gone. If Johnson can become that is anyone's guess.

You've got a good point, I just have severe reservations about his attitude off-ice (and the fact his father was inquiring with KHL teams doesn't make it any better either.) If we can keep him for a long period of time, then I think we have ourselves a pretty solid defenseman. Add that with Wiz and Whitney and we don't really need to worry about our defense for some time.

Personally I don't mind this trade at all... We could also possibly flip a blueliner and the 15th for a legit top 6 forward(assuming nieds comes back)

the cap space is huge and so is the the pick. johnson just needs an ass beating from getz perry and ryan to change his attitude.

this could be a very good thing people. imagine the possibilities with the cap space. even better if we can somehow move jiggy

If said trade is true would you guys be intersted in Souray a #1 or 2 D-man runs the PP has one of the hardest shots in the NHL and got over 60 points last year at 5.4 mil cap hit 600 k less than CP and signed for 4 more years. Can be had for picks and prospects.

Ha, the site that reported the rumor has now changed their tune, its now "a trade that's in the works". No mentioning of Johnson or the 5th coming our way

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Andy-Strickland/Pronger-Headed-To-LA/5/21537

I still think back to taking Ryan over Johnson though. I know part of it was Burke liking Ryan's interview better (which is irrelevant now since Murray's the GM), but part of it was still that the Ducks scouts preferred Ryan to Johnson. Burke said that Ryan was the scout's picks. And most of the scouting staff is still here. So it's possible that there's something about Johnson they just didn't like.

Also it seems a little odd from the Kings point of view. Why? I mean I can understand them not wanting Johnson anymore, Lombardi seems to like running all his contract guys out of town. But why Pronger? He'll need a contract too. And he might not quite fit in with their projected window.


From my viewings Johnson wasn't very impressive. Kind of runs around a little. Good skater though, and likes to carry the puck. Just a little risky.


Normally the young player would be the centerpiece of a big deal. But in this case I'd value the pick more.

Aw shucks. The things we do for Scott Niedermayer.

I was thinking, if this does in fact go through, perhaps Murray could use this to move up in the draft? Trade Johnson, the 5th, our 15th, and maybe someone else to make a play for the 2nd overall pick? (the 1st would cost too much) That way we could grab either Hedman or Tavares.

Trading Johnson would also give us enough space to resign Beauch, so we wouldn't be depleted on the blueline.

Just a thought.

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Somehow I don't see this happening, we (Ducks) never seem to be very aggressive at the draft.

I don't really want JJ here, but if he does who would his mentor be since Pronger is gone? Nieds? Not the same type of players.

Johnson at this point is in need of a crapton of mentoring. Who cares where it comes from. He's more overrated than Phaneuf.

I like this trade as a Ducks fan. We get valuable assets for Pronger, a year before he was set to become a UFA. For some reason I was starting to think that this upcoming year would be the start of his career decline, so receiving a top 5 pick, not to mention a potential top-two dman (all off-ice issues aside, JJ will be a top-pairing dman in his prime). This move might mean we take a step back this season, depending on what happens the rest of the summer of course, but it brings in two assets that will ensure our young stars will be surrounded by an excellent supporting cast for years to come.

Ps...is it too early to be talking about candidates for the 5th overall pick? After the big 3 (Tavares, Hedman, Duchene), the following guys have been mentioned as potential top 5 picks: Kane, Schenn, MSP, Cowen. I personally think Brayden Schenn would be a great compliment to Getzlaf as our number 2 center, a role he would definitely contend for this upcoming season. I would also be thrilled with Kane, loved his game at the WJC.

I kind of hope we trade Johnson for a forward and keep the pick, and then sign beauch. We'll see.

I like this trade as a Ducks fan. We get valuable assets for Pronger, a year before he was set to become a UFA. For some reason I was starting to think that this upcoming year would be the start of his career decline, so receiving a top 5 pick, not to mention a potential top-two dman (all off-ice issues aside, JJ will be a top-pairing dman in his prime). This move might mean we take a step back this season, depending on what happens the rest of the summer of course, but it brings in two assets that will ensure our young stars will be surrounded by an excellent supporting cast for years to come.

Ps...is it too early to be talking about candidates for the 5th overall pick? After the big 3 (Tavares, Hedman, Duchene), the following guys have been mentioned as potential top 5 picks: Kane, Schenn, MSP, Cowen. I personally think Brayden Schenn would be a great compliment to Getzlaf as our number 2 center, a role he would definitely contend for this upcoming season. I would also be thrilled with Kane, loved his game at the WJC.

Kane's likely gone to Atlanta.

If Atlanta likes Kane, then the top 5 will look like this (barring further trades of course).

1 NYI Tavares
2 TB Hedman
3 COL Duchene
4 ATL Kane
5 ANA Schenn

Ludzy from the score has confermed the trade www.thescore.com

Ludzy from the score has confermed the trade www.thescore.com

I just read that also, I wonder if there is more in the works? Like LA Trading Pronger to Ottawa for Heatley or getting Gaborick.

http://my.thescore.com/nhlrumours/archive/2009/06/12/ducks-trade-pronger-to-la-kings-for-d-jack-johnson-5th-pick.aspx

OH MY GOD. Murray is incredible. :bow:

How does anyone NOT like this trade? You know what this means right?

1. Niedermayer is back for next season.

2. We get another skilled young defensemen.

3. We get a 5 overall pick in this draft

4. We give up Pronger who had 1 year left on his contract, and we knew we couldn't keep both Niedermayer and Pronger.


Do I want Pronger more than Niedermayer? Yes, but this is an amazing deal for 1 year of Pronger. Murray helps Prongs out so he doesn't have to move as well. Pronger will probably split from L.A. after 1 year too.


Murray is a god damn genius you guys. Who's Brian Burke again?

Now I hear it's not true

http://www.insidesocal.com/kings/2009/06/johnson-rumors.html

So who knows what the hell is going on.

Edit: I'm not sure what "rumors" are not true, the 5th, JJ ???? who knows, I guess we'll have to wait until something is official.

Not going to worry about it until then.

If this does turn out to be true, and we do not move any players to obtain anyone else, we would have a pretty good young core of players.

Getz
Perry
Ryan
JJ
Whitney
Wizniewski
Brown
Carter

If this is true it probably means we are re-signing Niedermayer and we are able to re-sign Beauchemin most likely. A defense with Niedermayer, Whitney, Beauchemin, Wiz and Johnson is pretty decent. Not only that with the 5th pick we might be able to pick up a center who can play on the 2nd line next year and do it for cheap.

I'd be very happy if this is true.

How does anyone NOT like this trade? You know what this means right?


If true, I can think of a group of people. They hang out in Staples center 42 nights a year...

If true, I can think of a group of people. They hang out in Staples center 42 nights a year...

Fact: Kings fans do not have feelings. 40+ years of mediocrity have insured that much. :sarcasm:

I'd rather have Drew Doughty instead of JJ. Then I'd now we're talking!!! I don't like Jr's game at all.
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If this is true, color me disappointed. JMFJ doesn't impress me at all. I'd be more than happy to flip him for a top-6 forward and re-sign Beauch, though.

I'd rather have Drew Doughty instead of JJ. Then I'd now we're talking!!! I don't like Jr's game at all.
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Yeah but LA would also have to like crack more then anything to do that deal DD>JJ

god I hope this is true!

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0905/did.you.see.that.0522/images/jackie-Johnson.jpg

JMFJ or Jackie Johnson?

http://www.insidesocal.com/kings/2009/06/johnson-rumors.html

Lombardi says the rumor is just that, a rumor. Hmm

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0905/did.you.see.that.0522/images/jackie-Johnson.jpg

JMFJ or Jackie Johnson?

:amazed:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0905/did.you.see.that.0522/images/jackie-Johnson.jpg

JMFJ or Jackie Johnson?

I'm all for Jackie Johnson. Pronger + 1st rounder will do.

Who would you guys likely take with number 5?

Let's say Tavares, Hedman, Duchene are gone for sure, who's the preference?

Id trade our supposedly 5th pick and our 15th to move up. This rumor with the Kings sounds great and all but i don't want to see Pronger 6 times a year. Too bad its not a 3 way trade in which he goes back to St Louis.

If this does happen, I'm going to have fun digging through old posts of Ducks fans comments about JJ!

At least it wasn't the most overrated player in hockey right Randall?
He is, he's a huge underachiever and not as good as you think, he's still young but he has no brain

If we do trade Pronger, we better get the 5th overall. We can use it to move up and get Hedmen.

Id trade our supposedly 5th pick and our 15th to move up. This rumor with the Kings sounds great and all but i don't want to see Pronger 6 times a year. Too bad its not a 3 way trade in which he goes back to St Louis.

No way should we trade up unless we get to #2 or better but imagine having the forward prospects kane/schenn and then a kadri/holland/Ashton/kassain... Or go with the skilled defenseman Ryan ellis,

Trading Pronger to LA would really suck, I don't want to have to face him 6 times a year. The only way we can possibly win this trade is if we can resign Beauch and package Jack Johnson somewhere else for an awesome return. Johnson is one of the
most overated players in the league and has an attitude problem as well.

Strickland is normally very reliable, especially when it comes to either the Blues or Pronger so I can see it happenening.

Trading Pronger to LA would really suck, I don't want to have to face him 6 times a year. The only way we can possibly win this trade is if we can resign Beauch and package Jack Johnson somewhere else for an awesome return. Johnson is one of the
most overated players in the league and has an attitude problem as well.

Strickland is normally very reliable, especially when it comes to either the Blues or Pronger so I can see it happenening.
None of the major websites are even REPORTING this.

not espn, not tsn, in other words it seems bogus.

None of the major websites are even REPORTING this.

not espn, not tsn, in other words it seems bogus.

I wouldn't expect it to be announced straight away and I'm not going to believe it until TSN reports it. If true, the only thing I don't get is why would Murray trade the third best defenseman in the league to a division rival?? Surely St Louis, Boston or Washington would be interested in him??

Update

To Kings-
Pronger
Drew Miller
4th rounder

To Ducks-
Johnson
Frolov
5th rounder

This is a real trade situation and not just a rumor, it is on the table.
We'll see what happens though!
Nothing will happen until tomorrow either way because Bettman would rip the Kings and Ducks a new one if they did it the day of the game 7 of the finals.

Update

To Kings-
Pronger
Drew Miller
4th rounder

To Ducks-
Johnson
Frolov
5th rounder

This is a real trade situation and not just a rumor, it is on the table.
We'll see what happens though!
Nothing will happen until tomorrow either way because Bettman would rip the Kings and Ducks a new one if they did it the day of the game 7 of the finals.

That's worse than the Johnson & 5th overall rumor. I'd definately do Frolov & the 5th overall & a later pick for Pronger, a 4th and Miller though.

Does anyone else hate the idea of receiving Jack Johnson?? Apparently he's asking for $5 million a year. What has he one in the NHL to even get $1.5 million a year, let alone $5???

That's worse than the Johnson & 5th overall.

Does anyone else hate the idea of receiving Jack Johnson?? Apparently he's asking for $5 million a year. What has he one in the NHL to even get $1.5 million a year, let alone $5???
yup it was the 5th pick that made the deal juicy, maybe we can swap 15 and 5....

Update

To Kings-
Pronger
Drew Miller
4th rounder

To Ducks-
Johnson
Frolov
5th rounder

This is a real trade situation and not just a rumor, it is on the table.
We'll see what happens though!
Nothing will happen until tomorrow either way because Bettman would rip the Kings and Ducks a new one if they did it the day of the game 7 of the finals.

Do you have a source on that one?

I wouldn't mind having the 5th pick, but Spector's pretty much shot that rumor down. As long as we get rid of Pronger (was never a fan) and get a decent return, I would be very happy.

That's worse than the Johnson & 5th overall rumor. I'd definately do Frolov & the 5th overall & a later pick for Pronger, a 4th and Miller though.

Does anyone else hate the idea of receiving Jack Johnson?? Apparently he's asking for $5 million a year. What has he one in the NHL to even get $1.5 million a year, let alone $5???

What has he done? Daddy agent has threatened to go to the KHL. He probably could get 2-2.5 for just pure hype/name there.

If the original trade goes through (Johnson + 5th OA), who volunteers to propose Johnson + 5th for Briere, Marshall, conditional 1st on the trade board?

That's worse than the Johnson & 5th overall rumor. I'd definately do Frolov & the 5th overall & a later pick for Pronger, a 4th and Miller though.

Does anyone else hate the idea of receiving Jack Johnson?? Apparently he's asking for $5 million a year. What has he one in the NHL to even get $1.5 million a year, let alone $5???
On one hand, he's probably just starting high because that's what you do in negotiations. But that's like 3-4 million a year too high. There's starting high, and then there's pricing yourself out of amicable negotiations.


BUT... some dude on the Kings board who claims to be one of his close friends says he's not asking for 5 million. Kings fans seem to think he's legit.

edit: I'm getting things mixed up again. here's the thread with the guy who claims to be his friend: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=643854

there was some other article about the 5 million, don't remember what it was.


double edit: oh and BTW. If a trade in the style of the original rumor goes through (Pronger for Johnson + pick), then Teemu might retire. That's more of a rebuilding type trade. However Pronger for Johnson + Frolov might keep Teemu, as Frolov would be a big now piece.

Update

To Kings-
Pronger
Drew Miller
4th rounder

To Ducks-
Johnson
Frolov
5th rounder

This is a real trade situation and not just a rumor, it is on the table.
We'll see what happens though!
Nothing will happen until tomorrow either way because Bettman would rip the Kings and Ducks a new one if they did it the day of the game 7 of the finals.

Hey guys, I think it's a 5th round pick not THE 5th pick if I'm reading it right.

Am I the only one that doesn't want JJ? If Nieds doesn't come back and we trade Pronger for JJ, who is going to mentor this kid? Beauchemin? And the thought of having such a major trade with a division rival is not pleasant to me. I'd rather trade Pronger as far away as I can.

Are there any teams out there on the verge of contending that actually have cap space next year?

I just don't see the Kings doing this deal because with Pronger only signed for 1 year, it gives them a very small window to win while giving up a decent amount.

That being said they do have a lot of prospects already and Lombardi loves to trade away RFAs and Niedermayer is supposed to have a decision made by June 14th.

A lot of this makes sense but a lot of it doesn't also.

No I think almost every contender would have to move salary to get Pronger.

The most logical partner I found was Philly, moving 2 high priced guys (Carle + Gagne).

I imagine the only way this deal happens is if Pronger agrees to an extension... that could be the holdup...

But to be honest, I wouldn't be suprised if this rumor is put out by the Kings. I imagine they are being very aggressive in the offseason and they may "leaked" this to try and leverage a better deal in Tampa for Vinny or Ottawa for Heatley.

Am I the only one that doesn't want JJ? If Nieds doesn't come back and we trade Pronger for JJ, who is going to mentor this kid? Beauchemin? And the thought of having such a major trade with a division rival is not pleasant to me. I'd rather trade Pronger as far away as I can.

I don't really want the Ducks to have anything to do with him either. Especially if he has major attitude problems.

Am I the only one that doesn't want JJ? If Nieds doesn't come back and we trade Pronger for JJ, who is going to mentor this kid? Beauchemin? And the thought of having such a major trade with a division rival is not pleasant to me. I'd rather trade Pronger as far away as I can.

If Nieds doesn't come back, Pronger won't be traded.

The 5th overall pick sure sounds nice, but I really don't like JJ especially considering the attitude. Think he is kind of overrated anyway.

I don't really want the Ducks to have anything to do with him either. Especially if he has major attitude problems.

I'm somewhat in agreement. His attitude is what turns me off. Sure he has huge upside and potential, and if he's able to develop that we'll have an awesome blueline down the line, but who's to say that he won't demand a trade in a few years? He did it with Carolina (without even playing a game for them), and it seems like he's doing it with LA now. Plus the stories of his dad contacting KHL teams doesn't sit well with me either. I don't like the headaches he could end up causing us.

The fifth is really nice, but I see some potential problems with Johnson down the line.

Both the Ducks and Kings have denied this rumor as false.

Both the Ducks and Kings have denied this rumor as false.


On the day of game 7 of the SCF what would you expect them to do? It would be poor taste to annouce a trade as major as this would be. The league probably wouldn't be happy about websites reporting it as fact also, the only option would be to deny it, true or not.

On the day of game 7 of the SCF what would you expect them to do? It would be poor taste to annouce a trade as major as this would be. The league probably wouldn't be happy about websites reporting it as fact also, the only option would be to deny it, true or not.
Yeah but if it were real Bob McKenzie would have something by now

Yeah but if it were real Bob McKenzie would have something by now

This isn't true at all. Maybe it isn't happening, maybe it is, but this isn't all that relevent. It just means that TSN's sources haven't heard anything yet. Maybe that is a telling sign to some that no deal is happening, but to me it's not.

Also, one must notice how outlets such as The Score reported it as a done deal, not a rumor or anything else. I definitely think something's going on here. IIRC The Score found out about the Luongo-Bertuzzi trade well before anyone else too.

Here's a crazy conspiracy theory. Maybe one of the teams needs to lay off people. Maybe they also don't like rumors being leaked. So that team gave the info to only a few people to try to find the leak.

I just don't understand why all the involved parties would deny it like that. The "it's real but they just don't want it to upstage the finals" line of reasoning just doesn't make sense to me. By acknowledging the rumors, it seems to give it more attention. And then what are they going to do when the trade actually goes through? How are they going to explain that?

Here's a crazy conspiracy theory. Maybe one of the teams needs to lay off people. Maybe they also don't like rumors being leaked. So that team gave the info to only a few people to try to find the leak.

I just don't understand why all the involved parties would deny it like that. The "it's real but they just don't want it to upstage the finals" line of reasoning just doesn't make sense to me. By acknowledging the rumors, it seems to give it more attention. And then what are they going to do when the trade actually goes through? How are they going to explain that?

Could have been something leaked by the Ducks to try and up the asking price for Pronger. See if anyone will come out of nowhere and try and make a better offer.

I'm not sold that Jack Johnson is near as much of a head case as he's being portrayed as. His dad may be an issue, but that only really lasts so long. I don't think any of us have any first or second hand information on the kid or his dad, so until I hear differently, I usually ignore topics like that.

My bigger concern is on the ice. He is the sort of guy I would want in return for Pronger. He hasn't come close to reaching his potential at all, and I'm not 100% sure he'll ever be a franchise sort of guy. But, I'm not ready to write him off yet. Not even close. He's still extremely early in his development, and we seem to forget that d-men typically develop much more slowly than other positions.

Bottom line, I'd take that JMFJ+5th overall deal. I'd also strongly, strongly consider JMFJ and Frolov for Pronger and Miller. Most of us were jerking off over getting Alzner or Carlson from Washington for Pronger. I know we're supposed to hate anything and everything related to the Kings, but I value Johnson as high as those guys, and I think he'd be a reasonable return for Pronger.

Here's a crazy conspiracy theory. Maybe one of the teams needs to lay off people. Maybe they also don't like rumors being leaked. So that team gave the info to only a few people to try to find the leak.

I just don't understand why all the involved parties would deny it like that. The "it's real but they just don't want it to upstage the finals" line of reasoning just doesn't make sense to me. By acknowledging the rumors, it seems to give it more attention. And then what are they going to do when the trade actually goes through? How are they going to explain that?

Some reporter from TSN or something was having an interview with Daryl Sutter and said brought up how either their sources told them or they just sort of figured that the Flames would pursue a big centerman, a puck moving defenseman and a backup goalie at the deadline, and Sutter said that was entirely false and he was content with the team he had.

GMs have basicly 3 choices: admit it, deny it or say nothing.

The first one never happens and if they say nothing, it's good as admitting it. So they deny it.

Well, this (if true) will pretty much guarantee one hell of an offseason. I'm indifferent on Jack Johnson but getting Schenn+Moore in the draft would be super sweet.

The 5th pick could end up getting more assets. If Schenn is available at 5, and Burke isnt able to trade up for a top 2-3 pick, then we could trade the 5th for the Leaf's 7th and a 2nd round pick.

If Ottawa wants Oliver Ekman Larsson and thinks Dallas might pick him before them, then the ducks could also trade down from 7th to 9th for more assets.

The 9th, 15th, and two 2nd round pick would be nice.

As for JJ, if he can channel his focus on hockey and not contracts, he can show the teams that traded him wrong.

With the money saved, the ducks can attempt to a star like Boumeester, and Hossa (if the Wing pass on him).

Could have been something leaked by the Ducks to try and up the asking price for Pronger. See if anyone will come out of nowhere and try and make a better offer.
A possibility. But then I have to wonder a) Would that piss other GMs off if Murray's making things up? (like Lombardi and the GM he bilked). And b) how useful is it if they deny the rumor so soon? Why not just leave it out there for awhile so other teams will bite? Unless it's just because Lombardi already denied it.
Some reporter from TSN or something was having an interview with Daryl Sutter and said brought up how either their sources told them or they just sort of figured that the Flames would pursue a big centerman, a puck moving defenseman and a backup goalie at the deadline, and Sutter said that was entirely false and he was content with the team he had.
You have a point. I just don't see any gain for it. I'm sure GMs lie all the time, but there's got to be some reason for it. Then again there was Burke and "Fedorov will not be traded."
I'm not sold that Jack Johnson is near as much of a head case as he's being portrayed as. His dad may be an issue, but that only really lasts so long. I don't think any of us have any first or second hand information on the kid or his dad, so until I hear differently, I usually ignore topics like that.

My bigger concern is on the ice. He is the sort of guy I would want in return for Pronger. He hasn't come close to reaching his potential at all, and I'm not 100% sure he'll ever be a franchise sort of guy. But, I'm not ready to write him off yet. Not even close. He's still extremely early in his development, and we seem to forget that d-men typically develop much more slowly than other positions.

Bottom line, I'd take that JMFJ+5th overall deal. I'd also strongly, strongly consider JMFJ and Frolov for Pronger and Miller. Most of us were jerking off over getting Alzner or Carlson from Washington for Pronger. I know we're supposed to hate anything and everything related to the Kings, but I value Johnson as high as those guys, and I think he'd be a reasonable return for Pronger.
I also don't really believe the headcase thing. I think Carolina was a case of him wanting to stay in college and Carolina getting antsy. Here it seems to be Lombardi's always getting into salary disputes with his secondary players. Like Cammalleri.

Although you have to admit there have been a lot of hints. Rumored disputes in college. Burke hinting at his interview vs Ryan. Some stuff around draft combine. I think some people said that the Gare Joyce book had rumors too?

What I do see, though, is a little bit of ego going on there. I just get that sense from interviews and 2nd hand accounts. Even from the "jackjohnsonfan" poster or whatever who seems to be trying to pimp him (if you believe him), you kind of sense an ego there. That would fit in with things like KHL-flirtation, or 5 million dollar contract expectations.

On the ice, though, I see a really risky, yet high-reward player. I see lots of tools, and someone who hasn't yet put it together. Kind of like our QP a year ago actually.

But as to Carlson/Alzner... I do have to say that I much prefer that type of prospect. One who has less of a downside. Johnson's college stats and NHL play seems to suggest a risky offensive type. Carlson/Alzner are safer 2-way or defensive types. Although I guess that's what the 5th OA is for.

Honestly despite my dislike for Johnson, 5th OA + Johnson seems a tad high. I'd expect something more like 5th OA + Johnson for Pronger + 2nd.


Which package seems best for us (yet still possible)? Johnson + 5th? Doughty straight up? Frolov + filler (2nd?)? Some combo of youth (say 2 out of Simmonds/Moller/Teubert/Hickey/Quick)?


I would be pretty excited about the 5th though. Schenn/Kane/MPS. Maybe Cowen. Maybe package 15 + 5 for Duchene (I don't think it's quite enough for Tavares/Hedman).

The 5th pick could end up getting more assets. If Schenn is available at 5, and Burke isnt able to trade up for a top 2-3 pick, then we could trade the 5th for the Leaf's 7th and a 2nd round pick.

If Ottawa wants Oliver Ekman Larsson and thinks Dallas might pick him before them, then the ducks could also trade down from 7th to 9th for more assets.

The 9th, 15th, and two 2nd round pick would be nice.

As for JJ, if he can channel his focus on hockey and not contracts, he can show the teams that traded him wrong.

With the money saved, the ducks can attempt to a star like Boumeester, and Hossa (if the Wing pass on him).
I don't know that I like trading down to 7 from 5 though. From what I've read there seems to be a tier from 3/4-6 (some see Duchene as a half step above). 7 is just outside of that. I don't think a high-ish, but not top 2nd rounder covers the tier drop.

Why else would Toronto fans be so insistent on moving up?

edit: Oh, and 5th OA also has a slim chance of winning the lottery and getting #2... for the leftover of Tavares/Hedman.

The 5th pick could end up getting more assets. If Schenn is available at 5, and Burke isnt able to trade up for a top 2-3 pick, then we could trade the 5th for the Leaf's 7th and a 2nd round pick.

If Ottawa wants Oliver Ekman Larsson and thinks Dallas might pick him before them, then the ducks could also trade down from 7th to 9th for more assets.

The 9th, 15th, and two 2nd round pick would be nice.

As for JJ, if he can channel his focus on hockey and not contracts, he can show the teams that traded him wrong.

With the money saved, the ducks can attempt to a star like Boumeester, and Hossa (if the Wing pass on him).

Or we can pick at #5... ;)

Anyways, I doubt we end up with the 5th overall pick.

edit: Oh, and 5th OA also has a slim chance of winning the lottery and getting #2... for the leftover of Tavares/Hedman.Wasn't the lottery done already?

as much as i dont like him and the stupid hype given to him by kings fans it would be neat to see him and Mitera paired up eventually.

as much as i dont like him and the stupid hype given to him by kings fans it would be neat to see him and Mitera paired up eventually.

Do you dislike him, or dislike the hype from the Kings fans that you dislike?

That's something I constantly ask myself, because I fall into the trap often myself.

Wasn't the lottery done already?
Ha. Duh. I was confused with a game I play where it happens like a week before the draft.

Do you dislike him, or dislike the hype from the Kings fans that you dislike?

That's something I constantly ask myself, because I fall into the trap often myself.

i think its both, but i think the reason i dislike him is because of how he seems to believe his own hype. he seems to act and play with a totally undeserved swagger that he doesnt back up. my favorite play of his is still him trying to pull on end to end rush as a rookie and getting straight up flipped over by bieska (i think it was bieksa).

if these contract disputes have any truth to them then its definitely him i dislike.

Do you dislike him, or dislike the hype from the Kings fans that you dislike?

That's something I constantly ask myself, because I fall into the trap often myself.
I certainly dislike the Kings fan hype, but I think I've learned to mostly ignore it by now. For example, I like plenty of their guys like Doughty, Simmonds, Bernier, Kopitar, Frolov, and former King Visnovsky.

Although I think the hype has affected me with Dustin "Intangibles-hitting-always clean-defense-toughest mofo evaa!!!!11one!" Brown. And more generally, just about every Penguin not being paid 8.7 million. I can't wait until we get preseason Staal for Selke and Fleury for Vezina posts.

I agree with what somebody said earlier, the pick is a more valuable asset in my eyes. Johnson plays with the puck too much

Update

To Kings-
Pronger
Drew Miller
4th rounder

To Ducks-
Johnson
Frolov
5th rounder



This is a real trade situation and not just a rumor, it is on the table.
We'll see what happens though!
Nothing will happen until tomorrow either way because Bettman would rip the Kings and Ducks a new one if they did it the day of the game 7 of the finals.

if we somehow got rid of miller i would be happy. and frolov's got some hands

If the trade happened, I'd go out and draft Schenn and then Glennie, keep the combo together.

Update

To Kings-
Pronger
Drew Miller
4th rounder

To Ducks-
Johnson
Frolov
5th rounder

This is a real trade situation and not just a rumor, it is on the table.
We'll see what happens though!
Nothing will happen until tomorrow either way because Bettman would rip the Kings and Ducks a new one if they did it the day of the game 7 of the finals.

A 5th round pick and NOT the 5th overall pick? I hope that's a typo...

I think we can conclude Steve Ludzik and Andy Strickland are either idiots, or were used by the same person. When it gets down to it the ducks and kings will never make a trade like this.

I think we can conclude Steve Ludzik and Andy Strickland are either idiots, or were used by the same person. When it gets down to it the ducks and kings will never make a trade like this.

Used? That's pretty stupid.

I think its pretty clear that both guys were used. It will be interesting to find out what team leaked this... perhaps they were in the middle of negotations and talks felt apart afterwards.

Either way I think someone within one of the organization, purposely or vindictavely tried to used the media to send some sort of message.

Can i get more vague?

I'm not sure about this. I really hope that JJ + 5th overall for Pronger would come true. I think JJ can still become the player who he was projected. With the 5th overall I would draft Jared Cowen. The 15th overall should bring us the best forward available (maybe Kadri, more likely Kreider)

The reason why I would go after cowen, he is a potential franchise defensman and would be a hard shot on the top 3 without the injury. Whats even better, he is right handed, mobile and a ducks type of player. I would take him over Schenn or anyone else in the draft who will go after the top 3.

If we are lucky someone will trade up to the 5th (Toronto?!?) and we will end up with an 2nd rounder. Overall, beside the other rumors, I really hope we can do the trade with L.A., despite they are rivals.

I'm not sure about this. I really hope that JJ + 5th overall for Pronger would come true. I think JJ can still become the player who he was projected. With the 5th overall I would draft Jared Cowen. The 15th overall should bring us the best forward available (maybe Kadri, more likely Kreider)

The reason why I would go after cowen, he is a potential franchise defensman and would be a hard shot on the top 3 without the injury. Whats even better, he is right handed, mobile and a ducks type of player. I would take him over Schenn or anyone else in the draft who will go after the top 3.

If we are lucky someone will trade up to the 5th (Toronto?!?) and we will end up with an 2nd rounder. Overall, beside the other rumors, I really hope we can do the trade with L.A., despite they are rivals.

rumor seems to be completely wrong...

http://ducks.freedomblogging.com/2009/06/12/pronger-rumors-false/14857/

rumor seems to be completely wrong...

http://ducks.freedomblogging.com/2009/06/12/pronger-rumors-false/14857/

I know the report BUT

The Ducks moved quickly this afternoon to deny Internet rumors about trading defenseman Chris Pronger to the Kings.

“Completely false,” team spokesman Alex Gilchrist said.

Kings general manager Dean Lombardi and team spokesman Jeff Moeller also reportedly denied the deal.

The rumor mill spread quickly with reports that the Ducks would send Pronger to the Kings for defenseman Jack Johnson and a No.5 draft pick.

Teams cannot make trades until the Stanley Cup Finals are over.

IMO there can be more interpretations, "Teams cannot make trades until the Stanley Cup Finals are over" thats the point. Maybe the denial was about the done deal. Maybe there are a few points open but that the deal is off the books, I'm not sure.

Ryan Ellis intrigues me because I think we need a powerplay specialist if we lose both Scotty and Pronger in the next few years.

Well today is select a seat so Im gonna see what Bob Murray tells us

Ryan Ellis intrigues me because I think we need a powerplay specialist if we lose both Scotty and Pronger in the next few years.

Mitera did it at Michigan, along with Kampfer but they were on different units. Plus, Kampfer is a RH shot. Also, I'm pretty sure at the end of the season Gardiner was QB the PP, atleast the game that I saw he was but it could've been the 2nd unit.

Mitera did it at Michigan, along with Kampfer but they were on different units. Plus, Kampfer is a RH shot. Also, I'm pretty sure at the end of the season Gardiner was QB the PP, atleast the game that I saw he was but it could've been the 2nd unit.

Honestly I don't think Mitera will play it in the NHL. Kampfer on the other hand is years away and I don't believe that he will be more than an #4 defensman, which is ok. They both do not have the offensive ability to play the point.

Whitney will be on the unit thats for sure but I think his shot is not good enough. Selanne played it at the Jets and he did well.

Whitney will be on the unit thats for sure but I think his shot is not good enough. Selanne played it at the Jets and he did well.

Yeah Whitney's terrible at getting his shot through traffic and it's probably not heavy enough to be effective in a QB role. Wisniewski was much better at getting his shot on net than Whitney.

Whitney makes some excellent passes on the PP, though.

Whitney makes some excellent passes on the PP, though.

Yes he does but the difference between him and and elite pp-quaterback is the shot. And the shot is IMO essential for it.

I've always heard Whitney has a huge slap shot but have yet to see it. I think if he starts using it effectively, we'll see a huge boost in his game.

I'm not sure about this. I really hope that JJ + 5th overall for Pronger would come true. I think JJ can still become the player who he was projected. With the 5th overall I would draft Jared Cowen. The 15th overall should bring us the best forward available (maybe Kadri, more likely Kreider)

The reason why I would go after cowen, he is a potential franchise defensman and would be a hard shot on the top 3 without the injury. Whats even better, he is right handed, mobile and a ducks type of player. I would take him over Schenn or anyone else in the draft who will go after the top 3.

If we are lucky someone will trade up to the 5th (Toronto?!?) and we will end up with an 2nd rounder. Overall, beside the other rumors, I really hope we can do the trade with L.A., despite they are rivals.

First off, Cowen is left-handed
Second, he was falling before he got hurt (see midterm CSB rankings)

The Score finally took this off their website, welcome back Pronger :).

He is, he's a huge underachiever and not as good as you think, he's still young but he has no brain

As good as I think? What do I think? Remind me again. You make a lot of assumptions. Oh and if Dustin Brown is the most overrated player in hockey then I guess Jack Johnson is second? Or are they tied? I think you just like to make polarizing comments about Kings players in threads to get a reaction.

I haven't made any comments about Jack Johnson other than when they reported he wanted $5m per a year I thought it was absurd. In fact, anything over $3m is absurd.

Unfortunately for Jack, he kinda shot himself in the foot by playing the last 5 games of the 06/07 season and then missing half of last year. The guy has only played 1 1/2 seasons in the NHL so I don't know what is expected of him. I still think he has a lot of potential but I also think his dad is crazy and if he really is asking for $5m per (which was denied by DL), then he is crazy too.

my favorite play of his is still him trying to pull on end to end rush as a rookie and getting straight up flipped over by bieska (i think it was bieksa).

if these contract disputes have any truth to them then its definitely him i dislike.

It was they heavy hitter known as Jan Bulis.

As far as the contract dispute goes (that is singular, not plural), there was a report that he wanted $5m which was denied by DL. Now there may or may not be truth to that, but that is the only contract dispute I am aware. Unless you are faulting the guy for wanting to play college hockey an being up front about his intentions with the Canes, then I only can count one.

Reasons to dislike Jack


1) demanding to play the last 5 games of the 06/07 to burn a year of his ELC.
2) reportedly (I've only seen this posted) refusing to go to Manchester for conditioning before returning to the Kings last season after his injury.

Then of course his dad is nuts and reportedly did talk to the KHL but I don't think you can pin that on Jack.

I don't remember where I read it, but someone somewhere said that Murray said in select-a-seat that this rumor was from the Kings?

Why would the Kings do that? I could maybe see why the Johnson camp might do it, but not the Kings.

Murray said no intrest in Antropov :(. Not like there was any chance anyway. He said it was too expensive obviously. He said the main thing is to stay safely under the cap so we don't have a penner situation and we'll be able to sign Ryan which is number one in my book.

He said there is some interest in euros. But we know all that talk is just BS during the select a seat. And most definitely doesn't look like Pronger is getting traded.

Murray said no intrest in Antropov And most definitely doesn't look like Pronger is getting traded.

Yay. and double Yay.

Yay. and double Yay.

i know. I think it's my leaf bias overrating him. He did play well for New York though. too much money for secondary scoring though

http://ducks.freedomblogging.com/2009/06/18/ducks-non-trade-provides-a-valuable-lesson/14969/

Having followed Orange County Register guidelines to take some time off, today marks my first day back on the job since early June.

During my absence, the Ducks traded defenseman Chris Pronger. No, wait, they really didn’t. Turns out it was all an ill-conceived and completely irresponsible joke.

While out and about Friday, I received a telephone call from a Calgary radio station asking me if I could go on the air to talk about “the Pronger trade.” Explaining that I was off work and out of the loop, I declined the invitation, but asked for details of the trade.

Pronger to the Kings for defenseman Jack Johnson and “some draft picks,” I was told. Later, I found out that “some draft picks” supposedly translated into the fifth overall pick in this year’s NHL entry draft. Later, still, I found out that both the Ducks and Kings had denied there was any trade, and eventually learned that the whole thing apparently emanated from a “joke” someone in the hockey industry had played on someone else.

I gotta agree with him. Rumor media (hockeybuzz, etc) sucks.