Proposal: Perry for Phaneuf

What is with all this hate on Dion Phaneuf. I heard he had a bad season, but the kid is 23 and from what I remember is tough as nails, expellent offensively and defensively. It seems like his value is at an all time low.

If Pronger is traded or Niedermayer retires/leaves, I would hope that Murray considers a move like Perry for Phaneuf.

I love Perry, but is a no-brainer to me.

Thoughts?

Nope. Overrated based on offense. Bad on D, for the past few years. We've got enough of that in Whitney.

Perry's also our only goal scorer for the long term. Although Ryan may be evolving some of that.

Well as of right now we need offense more than defense. However in terms of value I think that Perry for Phaneuf is pretty decent. However, I'd wonder what the locker room situation would be with Phaneuf and Getzlaf on the same team. I'm not sure whether their rivalry is out of mutual respect or genuine dislike for one another.

In any case, Perry stays. His chemistry with Getzlaf + the fact that we have a lack of scoring up front would mean a no deal 1 for 1.

NO way, I think phaneuf is overrated, hes not the big shutdown like reghere is and hes not good enough offensively
and obviously we need some scoring and perry is our top scorer at least for now

I don't think Phaneuf is overrated at all, I think his value should be higher than Perry's, and I still don't think the Ducks should consider it. It'd be filling one hole while busting open another. Perry's homegrown and has a rare mix of nastiness, goal scoring prowess, and selfless commitment to the battle. He's a winner. Trade for Phaneuf, and the team might be a little more balanced in a year or so, but not necessarily more ready to win.

So, no.

What is with all this hate on Dion Phaneuf. I heard he had a bad season, but the kid is 23 and from what I remember is tough as nails, expellent offensively and defensively. It seems like his value is at an all time low.

If Pronger is traded or Niedermayer retires/leaves, I would hope that Murray considers a move like Perry for Phaneuf.

I love Perry, but is a no-brainer to me.

Thoughts?

Heh no, but please feel free to do this.

Norris finalist in 08 (and I believe he was like 4th or 5th in 07 and 06)? 6.5 million dollars? I think that's overrated. Although he's not bad, like my first post seemed to imply. And he probably is worth slightly more than Perry to a team starting from scratch.

I just love the little goalie-humper.

Norris finalist in 08 (and I believe he was like 4th or 5th in 07 and 06)? 6.5 million dollars? I think that's overrated. Although he's not bad, like my first post seemed to imply. And he probably is worth slightly more than Perry to a team starting from scratch.

I just love the little goalie-humper.

This team needs Perry more than it needs Phaneuf. I don't like trading away goal scorers who have a nose for the net and aren't afraid of living in the crease, especially for over-rated, over-hyped ugly mofos.

We already have Pronger to dish out the flying elbows, no need for Phaneuf. If we're going to look at options to replace Nieds and Pronger, I'd rather us look towards someone like Bouwmeester.

Ducks need top 6 fowards, not overated top pairing defenseman. Phaneuf is an awesome hitter and has a rocket shot but is bad defensively, maybe even worse than Whitney.

Value wise Phaneuf>Perry, but Perry is more valuable to the Ducks at this point in time than Phaneuf.

Nobody would part with Phaneuf for just Perry. I like Perry a lot but a top 6 forward is not equal to a potential franchise defenseman.

I like Perry a lot but a top 6 forward is not equal to a potential franchise defenseman.
Perry is more than that and Phaneuf is less than that.
I Wouldn't do it.

I wouldn't mind him here if we didn't have to give up Perry. But we do not have the trade material to trade with so it's a moot point.

This team needs Perry more than it needs Phaneuf. I don't like trading away goal scorers who have a nose for the net and aren't afraid of living in the crease, especially for over-rated, over-hyped ugly mofos.

We already have Pronger to dish out the flying elbows, no need for Phaneuf. If we're going to look at options to replace Nieds and Pronger, I'd rather us look towards someone like Bouwmeester.
Perry's not exactly model material either. I would link the photo of him in drag, but I can't get that at work.
Perry is more than that and Phaneuf is less than that.
I Wouldn't do it.
Phaneuf is less than that now, but he certainly is a potential franchise defenseman as your quoted post stated. Even though I personally expect a better career out of guys like EJ, Bogosian, Keith, and Weber.
I wouldn't mind him here if we didn't have to give up Perry. But we do not have the trade material to trade with so it's a moot point.
Problem is salary wise we'd have to give up Perry. That or one of Getzlaf, Pronger, or Giguere. Phanuef makes 6.5 million. And contract-wise, I doubt Calgary gives up their 5 or whatever year guy without Perry's long contract (compared to Pronger or Giguere).

I guess I was thinking long term. I'm looking at a worst case situation here.

Niedermayer retires
Pronger can't be extended
Beach leaves

Whitney and Wiz - not a bad 1st pairing but whats after that.

Mikkelson/Salcido/Festerling.

We really hoping guys like Mitera / Gardiner are going to develop as we hope.

I like Perry, but I think its harder to find a franchise defenseman than talented scoring hard nosed winger.

And my assumption for the proposal is that it seems that Calgary is very frustrated with Phaneuf, and it would be a 1 for 1 deal.

Phaneuf is less than that now, but he certainly is a potential franchise defenseman as your quoted post stated. Even though I personally expect a better career out of guys like EJ, Bogosian, Keith, and Weber.I guess it depends on how easily one hands out the franchise-tags.

We may need a number one defensman next year, but if we trade Perry that would leave us with two legit top 6 players when Selanne retires after the year.

I guess it depends on how easily one hands out the franchise-tags.
I dunno. I think that even if you're pretty conservative about handing out "potential franchise" tags that Phaneuf should be on the shortlist. Certainly not at the top, but he does belong in the discussion.

I think I'm pretty conservative, and I don't object much when other people say it to Phaneuf even though I don't agree.

Really? I don't personally consider phaneuf a potential franchise d-man even, hes good and definitely top pairing material but i dunno, he just seems to hit a lot and has a great shot, other than that hes not very special... how old is he btw?

perry > the dion

Really? I don't personally consider phaneuf a potential franchise d-man even, hes good and definitely top pairing material but i dunno, he just seems to hit a lot and has a great shot, other than that hes not very special... how old is he btw?
Same age as Getz and Perry. Part of the same stacked draft.

It is more impressive to be stepping up early as a defenseman than a forward like the twins have done. Although there's some questions as to how much he's really stepped up. Because some think his game is a little more flash than substance right now.

His shot is huge, but I'm also rather unimpressed with it's accuracy. Seems kind of like Beauchemin in that way.