Norris trophy

Top D-man stats, Who's going to win the norris?


RNK NAME POS GP G A PTS +/- PIM ATOI SOG SPCT G A G A
1 Sergei Gonchar, BOS/WAS D 64 10 44 54 -19 52 27:38 148 6.8 5 28 0 0
2 Dick Tarnstrom, PIT D 74 15 35 50 -37 36 24:21 148 10.1 12 25 0 0
3 Bryan McCabe, TOR D 69 15 35 50 16 80 25:37 160 9.4 8 18 0 0
4 Marek Zidlicky, NSH D 75 13 36 49 -15 67 20:04 134 9.7 9 25 0 0 5
5 Chris Pronger, STL D 74 13 35 48 -2 84 27:28 191 6.8 7 21 0 3 6
6 Brian Leetch, NYR/TOR D 66 15 32 47 -2 30 26:17 189 7.9 5 22 1 1
7 S. Niedermayer, NJ D 74 11 35 46 19 40 25:50 153 7.2 8 12 0 3
8 M. Schneider, DET D 72 13 32 45 20 54 24:41 157 8.3 3 16 1 0
9 Rob Blake, COL D 68 13 32 45 9 53 24:17 222 5.9 8 18 0 1
10 Kimmo Timonen, NSH D 71 12 31 43 -10 52 23:49 174 6.9 8 22 0 1
11 Bryan Berard, CHI D 50 13 29 42 -19 47 21:22 175 7.4 6 16 0 0
12 Wade Redden, OTT D 74 16 25 41 22 63 25:06 163 9.8 11 10 0 0
13Sergei Zubov, DAL D 76 7 34 41 1 20 25:52 154 4.5 4 20 1 0
14 Kim Johnsson, PHI D 74 12 28 40 17 24 24:16 177 6.8 4 19 0 0
15Paul Mara, PHO D 75 5 35 40 -7 48 23:40 122 4.1 1 21 0 2
16 Brent Sopel, VAN D 74 9 30 39 1 36 22:01 165 5.5 6 12 0 1
17 Zdeno Chara, OTT D 72 15 22 37 34 141 24:38 170 8.8 7 6 0 2
18Sean Hill, CAR D 73 12 25 37 -5 82 25:06 198 6.1 6 12 0 1

Top D-man stats, Who's going to win the norris?


RNK NAME POS GP G A PTS +/- PIM ATOI SOG SPCT G A G A
1 Sergei Gonchar, BOS/WAS D 64 10 44 54 -19 52 27:38 148 6.8 5 28 0 0
2 Dick Tarnstrom, PIT D 74 15 35 50 -37 36 24:21 148 10.1 12 25 0 0
3 Bryan McCabe, TOR D 69 15 35 50 16 80 25:37 160 9.4 8 18 0 0
4 Marek Zidlicky, NSH D 75 13 36 49 -15 67 20:04 134 9.7 9 25 0 0 5
5 Chris Pronger, STL D 74 13 35 48 -2 84 27:28 191 6.8 7 21 0 3 6
6 Brian Leetch, NYR/TOR D 66 15 32 47 -2 30 26:17 189 7.9 5 22 1 1
7 S. Niedermayer, NJ D 74 11 35 46 19 40 25:50 153 7.2 8 12 0 3
8 M. Schneider, DET D 72 13 32 45 20 54 24:41 157 8.3 3 16 1 0
9 Rob Blake, COL D 68 13 32 45 9 53 24:17 222 5.9 8 18 0 1
10 Kimmo Timonen, NSH D 71 12 31 43 -10 52 23:49 174 6.9 8 22 0 1
11 Bryan Berard, CHI D 50 13 29 42 -19 47 21:22 175 7.4 6 16 0 0
12 Wade Redden, OTT D 74 16 25 41 22 63 25:06 163 9.8 11 10 0 0
13Sergei Zubov, DAL D 76 7 34 41 1 20 25:52 154 4.5 4 20 1 0
14 Kim Johnsson, PHI D 74 12 28 40 17 24 24:16 177 6.8 4 19 0 0
15Paul Mara, PHO D 75 5 35 40 -7 48 23:40 122 4.1 1 21 0 2
16 Brent Sopel, VAN D 74 9 30 39 1 36 22:01 165 5.5 6 12 0 1
17 Zdeno Chara, OTT D 72 15 22 37 34 141 24:38 170 8.8 7 6 0 2
18Sean Hill, CAR D 73 12 25 37 -5 82 25:06 198 6.1 6 12 0 1

note:Chara, Redden, Berard, McCabe, Tarnstrom, Schneider all former Islanders.
Leetch, Zildlicky, Johnsson, Schneider,Zubov all former Rangers.

take away Tarnstrom because he's on a bad team, Zildlicky because he's a one way defenseman, Niedermayer should atleast get nominated

hard to see past McCabe, Pronger, Leetch or Neidermeyer. I'd plump for McCabe, but really, you wouldn't go far wrong with any of them

I personally don't believe any defenseman who is minus should ever be nominated as the league's top d-man..

McCabe's defense is suspect at best. Niedermayer or Schneider should win it....man what a season Berard is having.

Scott Niedermayer deserves the Norris Trophy and hope he does win it...

I personally don't believe any defenseman who is minus should ever be nominated as the league's top d-man..
You can't blame Tarnstrum because he plays in Pittsburgh. Do you think anyone of the top defensemen would be a "+" player if they played there? I personally don't think so.

McCabe's defense is suspect at best

The award has very little to do with how well a player is in his defensive zone. If they factored defensive ability into it, Scott Stevens would have won at least won.

Last week on Devils Game Night, Ken Daneyko and Matt Laughlin were talking about a "Scott Stevens Award" for top defensive-defenseman. The former Devils defenseman commented that playing defense is what a defenseman is supposed to do.

I think the Norris awarding system is almost like if baseball gave the Cy Young award to the top hitting pitcher or if the NFL gave an "offensive lineman of the year" award (maybe they do, I don't know) to the lineman that scores the most 1-yard touchdowns as a running back.

I would be shock if Niedermayer isn't nomminies, he deserve to win it
I'm not a devils fan (I hate them) but I see the home and home against Mtl and wow, he's all over the ice, sometimes he's the first to forchek and he's the first into his zone after do it, he lack some finishing habilitys, but he's the best in the NHL for the defense offense transition. With the injury to Stevens and Rafalski it's like he played 40 min a game, he's the one who always have the puck.

as a Bruins fans, I hope he will win it !

Scott Niedermayer deserves the Norris Trophy and hope he does win it...


Oh you aint kidding.. :yo: ......I 110 percent agree.. :handclap: .....But unfortunately he will probaly get screwed like Stevens did in 94. I hope not.

Scott Niedermayer deserves to win the Norris.
Scott Niedermayer will NOT win the Norris.

That's just the way it is. Like every other year. See: Scott Stevens.

I don't know who will win, but I sincerely doubt that it'll be Nieds.

Nieds will be a nominee this year, but he will not win in. Rob Blake will win it since everybody and their mother loves the Colorado Avalanche.

And honestly, I think Marty gets screwed out of the Vezina this year. I bet they give it to Raycroft. I think the nominees will be Brodeur, Raycroft and Luongo (who is going to challenge Marty for years to come), and they'll say since Raycroft and Luongo face more shots than Marty, they're better. Just a weird feeling I have.

Who wins the Hart? Lots of good picks, but my guess is Marty St. Louis. He's been awesome.

Neids should get a chance to win. Blake has lost some games this year due to injury and that Gonchar guys is a minus player so ithink that Scotty chances are high. They also said the same thing in 94 for stevens. he got the norris taken away for 4 votes. 4 simple votes.

Nieds will be a nominee this year, but he will not win in. Rob Blake will win it since everybody and their mother loves the Colorado Avalanche.

And honestly, I think Marty gets screwed out of the Vezina this year. I bet they give it to Raycroft. I think the nominees will be Brodeur, Raycroft and Luongo (who is going to challenge Marty for years to come), and they'll say since Raycroft and Luongo face more shots than Marty, they're better. Just a weird feeling I have.

Who wins the Hart? Lots of good picks, but my guess is Marty St. Louis. He's been awesome.

I think we could see a lot of "deserving" players win this year as opposed to the "sexy" winners. I wouldn't be surprised to see Luongo oust Marty for Vez, and I really think Niedermayer will take the Norris. I have no idea on Hart, but the media seems to be pretty pushing for St. Louis... not sure if I agree... Calder is another thats really up in the air. Its definitly between Ryder and Raycroft... I'll give my personal nod to Raycroft.

And honestly, I think Marty gets screwed out of the Vezina this year. I bet they give it to Raycroft. I think the nominees will be Brodeur, Raycroft and Luongo (who is going to challenge Marty for years to come), and they'll say since Raycroft and Luongo face more shots than Marty, they're better. Just a weird feeling I have.

I think Luongo will win it. I think he deserves it too. Not to take away from what Marty has done this year, but Luongo is just having a great year even though he's on a team that isn't very good. If you were to ask me who would win the Vezina before the beginning of the year, I would have said Brodeur, but the Devils team as a whole has been in a bit of a funk since Stevens got hurt.

I'm not even sure who will be the three nominees. I think Luongo (my pick to win) and Brodeur are a definite lock, but I'm not definitely sure about Raycroft. Turco, Theodore and Kiprusoff (sp) have all been good too.

All agreed. But Hasek was winning it in the end just because he was Hasek. Marty's numbers were superior. Luongo is excellent, but he is not a Marty Brodeur just yet. This year, and for years to come, Brodeur is the best.

Nominees: Brodeur, Turco, Luongo
Winner: Luongo

That's my guess

In my opinion the Norris this year should go to one of McCabe, Chara or Blake this season. Honerable mentions to Neidermier (Spelling?), Gonchar and Pronger.

I would have to go with Roberto Luongo for the Vezina. Brodeur and Theodore would be my choices for the other two finalists.

Look at the pounding that Luongo took last night from the Devils. He faced 50 shots, including a staggering 25 in the third period. The Devils really turned things up in the 3rd after falling behind. It looked like warm-ups.

If Marty wins it, I will certainly be happy for him, but I think Luongo is more deserving this season.

In my opinion the Norris this year should go to one of McCabe, Chara or Blake this season. Honerable mentions to Neidermier (Spelling?), Gonchar and Pronger.
I don't think Chara can win it with his scoring rank. He is currently 17th among defensemen in points. Lidstrom has won the last three Norris Trophies. During those seasons, he was 3rd in defensemen-scoring last year, tied for first in 2002 and second in 2001.

Gonchar leads defensemen, but he is more of a third wing or a rover (really old time hockey,) so Gonchar probably will not win it.

Scott Niedermayer should really be considered. He is currently 7th in defensemen scoring (only 3 PTS behind 2nd place,) and he has played superbly in the defensive zone.

Not to mention leading a team which desperately needed leadership.


Look at the OT goal he made yesterday. That shows what kind of a player he is.

The Veznia is looking like this by ESPN's analysts...

1-Brodeur- Probably will win his second in a row!

2-Turco

3-Luongo

If the Norris was actually judged on the best defenseman, then it would be Chara because of his contributions and greatly upgraded play this year. Will it go to him? Not likely...likely Schneider or Blake.

The Veznia is looking like this by ESPN's analysts...

1-Brodeur- Probably will win his second in a row!

2-Turco

3-Luongo


I will be SHOCKED if Marty beats out Luongo. He has been the best tender all season. Marty was excellent the first half of the season, but since then he has been above average at best. Turco had a terrible start, so he should be excluded too. Luongo has been solid all year.

Marty should win the Vezina again, if not to just make up for all the years he was scammed for it. Nieds will be 3rd in the Norris voting, which is still darn good, but I have to think Chara is the man for it this year.

Marty should win the Vezina again, if not to just make up for all the years he was scammed for it.

First off I don't think Marty has been Vezina caliber the entire season. He was the first half, no doubt about it, but since Scotty has gone down, his game has suffered. Secondly, you can't give someone an award because he was "scammed" out of it in the past... I mean, yes of course Marty should have won it AT LEAST once all those years that Hasek won in, but thats just the way it goes.

I don't think that marty will win the award this year. Don't get me wrong i think that Marty has had a great season this year but i think that other goalies around this year year have just "outplayed" him. The guy in Florida will win i think, his great stats on a bad team speaks marvels.

Give the Vezina to Luongo's pad manufacturing company, his equipment is comparable to last season's Conn Smythe winner!

I will be SHOCKED if Marty beats out Luongo. He has been the best tender all season. Marty was excellent the first half of the season, but since then he has been above average at best. Turco had a terrible start, so he should be excluded too. Luongo has been solid all year.


I won't be shocked at all! Brodeur will win his second Veznia hands down...

All agreed. But Hasek was winning it in the end just because he was Hasek. Marty's numbers were superior. Luongo is excellent, but he is not a Marty Brodeur just yet. This year, and for years to come, Brodeur is the best.

Oh yeah ? And last year Marty was winning it in the end just because he was Marty. Turco's numbers were superior.

As for this year, Brodeur and Turco are quite equals, but Luongo is clearly deserving the Trophy. He doesn't deserves it because he faces more shots, he deserves it because he is the best goaltender in the game. Plain simple...

I won't be shocked at all! Brodeur will win his second Veznia hands down...

Hands down? Really? Could I get a pair of those Devils-colored glasses you seem to be wearing?

Nothing against Marty. He has been the most important reason for the Devils being in the Cup hunt again. But his backups have better numbers this year. I'm not dogging the guy; he is amazing, but he isn't the best tender in terms of numbers this season, and that will be probably the major contributing factor in voting. Marty won last year because of (another) 40-win season. He may not be the league leader in wins this year, so I'm going to say no to this year's Vezina.

I hope Nieds dosnt win. Let Lou lock him up long term first.

Nothing against Marty. He has been the most important reason for the Devils being in the Cup hunt again. But his backups have better numbers this year.
That is ridiculous. Look at the teams Brodeur's backups play against. They are Pittsburgh three times, Washington twice, Atlanta and Toronto. The Maple Leafs game is a special case because Pat Burns likes to give Corey Schwab a start against Schwab's old team.

I personally think Roberto Luongo should win the Vezina Trophy, but I don't know if he will. No one has ever won it with a losing record. If enough GM's think that a losing record should exclude Luongo from consideration, then Brodeur has a good chance. I would say his biggest competition then would be Jose Theodore, Ed Belfour and Marty Turco.

I have watched every Devils game this year (except game 2 at Carolina,) and I can say that Brodeur rarely gives up a soft goal. If the opposition scores, it is almost always on a redirection, screen or a goal-mouth scrambles.

I personally think Roberto Luongo should win the Vezina Trophy, but I don't know if he will. No one has ever won it with a losing record. If enough GM's think that a losing record should exclude Luongo from consideration, then Brodeur has a good chance. I would say his biggest competition then would be Jose Theodore, Ed Belfour and Marty Turco.

I don't think that they'll start this year. I'm positive that Luongo won't win the Vezina this year. His time will come, as Florida is improving rapidly, but this year I think that Turco will get it. He's going to finish the season with a GAA under 2, and will be either 1st or 2nd in wins. Most importantly, he's been the one constant for the Stars this season. Even in the early part of the year when Modano, along with the rest of the team, was struggling, he was still playing superbly.

The Norris is really a toss-up. There isn't one or two guys running away with this one. I could see Pronger getting it. Niedermayer has made an excellent case for himself this year. Chara is a horse in Ottawa, leads the league with +35. Adrian Aucoin is a guy who doesn't get talked about a lot, but is in the top 5 in ice time, and is a +31 on the ISLANDERS! Its one thing for Chara to get a +35 on a team with a goals for and against differential of +75, but Aucoin's +31 on a eighth place Islanders team with a goals for/against differential of +23 is equally or more impressive to me. I think that it's Niedermayers if he has a strong last few games.

The Hart has to go to Martin St. Louis. He's been awesome this year.

I don't think that they'll start this year. I'm positive that Luongo won't win the Vezina this year. His time will come, as Florida is improving rapidly, but this year I think that Turco will get it. He's going to finish the season with a GAA under 2, and will be either 1st or 2nd in wins. Most importantly, he's been the one constant for the Stars this season. Even in the early part of the year when Modano, along with the rest of the team, was struggling, he was still playing superbly.

The Norris is really a toss-up. There isn't one or two guys running away with this one. I could see Pronger getting it. Niedermayer has made an excellent case for himself this year. Chara is a horse in Ottawa, leads the league with +35. Adrian Aucoin is a guy who doesn't get talked about a lot, but is in the top 5 in ice time, and is a +31 on the ISLANDERS! Its one thing for Chara to get a +35 on a team with a goals for and against differential of +75, but Aucoin's +31 on a eighth place Islanders team with a goals for/against differential of +23 is equally or more impressive to me. I think that it's Niedermayers if he has a strong last few games.

The Hart has to go to Martin St. Louis. He's been awesome this year.

I would agree, but St. Louis also has a great team behind him, remember they have like 10 20 goal scorers. He doesn't deserve the Hart, because he's not the most valuable player to his team.

I would agree, but St. Louis also has a great team behind him, remember they have like 10 20 goal scorers. He doesn't deserve the Hart, because he's not the most valuable player to his team.

So are you thinking Luongo for the Hart then? I can't argue that Luongo is more valuable to the Panthers than St. Louis is to the Lightning. However, the Panthers aren't going to make the playoffs, while Tampa Bay has a shot at the Presidents Trophy, so I think that definitely factors in. Every year people argue over what it means to be "most valuable to his team". Its not an easy decision, but I think that St. Louis is the most deserving of the Hart this year.

So are you thinking Luongo for the Hart then? I can't argue that Luongo is more valuable to the Panthers than St. Louis is to the Lightning. However, the Panthers aren't going to make the playoffs, while Tampa Bay has a shot at the Presidents Trophy, so I think that definitely factors in. Every year people argue over what it means to be "most valuable to his team". Its not an easy decision, but I think that St. Louis is the most deserving of the Hart this year.

Luongo is definitely up on my list of candidates. So is Patrik Elias - without him, we have no offense. Joe Sakic has carried the Avalanche through some tough times, though if I name him I have to name St. Louis, who is definitely an important cog in Tampa, but they have so many parts that I don't think he's a Hart candidate. Ziggy Palffy before he got injured was the whole of the Kings. St. Louis is having a fantastic, Hart quality season, but so many other players on Tampa are having "career years" that I don't think he should win.

Luongo is definitely up on my list of candidates.
In a thread on the "National Hockey League Talk" section, I wrote that goalies have only won the Hart Trophy seven times since 1924. Furthermore, it has only been won three times since 1981-82 (the first season the Vezina became awarded to "top goaltender".) In all three instances, the Hart-winning goalie led their respective teams into playoffs.

I also pointed out that the last player to win the Hart on a non-playoff team was Mario Lemiux in 1987-88. So I think it would be remarkable if Luongo won the Hart Trophy.

In order for a goaltender to win the Hart, he usually has to play on a playoff bound team and put up insane numbers. Luongo is doing neither. Without him, the Panthers are near dead last, for sure. But he's not winning the Hart.

St. Louis is basically running away with it. He's outscoring Vinny LeCavalier, Brad Richards, etc. Sure, that entire team is running like a well oiled machine but they're only lost 20 man games to injury. Can't take the Hart away from St. Louis because the team is doing well.

My problem with giving St. Louis the Hart is that there are about 6 other 20 goal scorers on that team. Patrik Elias on the other hand, plays with one other 20 goal scorer - Brian Gionta - who never would've scored 20 without Elias. Does St. Louis deserve the Hart because he has 15 more assists and 13 more points? Not IMO, but he may get it anyway.

My problem with giving St. Louis the Hart is that there are about 6 other 20 goal scorers on that team. Patrik Elias on the other hand, plays with one other 20 goal scorer - Brian Gionta - who never would've scored 20 without Elias. Does St. Louis deserve the Hart because he has 15 more assists and 13 more points? Not IMO, but he may get it anyway.
Even if it doesn't go to St. Louis, I doubt it would go to Elias anyway. Especially when Elias may not be the MVP for the Devils.

I would probably give it to Sakic. There aren't really many runaway candidates.

I'd give it to Iggy long before Sakic.

I would probably give it to Sakic. There aren't really many runaway candidates.
Yeah, maybe Turco?

My problem with giving St. Louis the Hart is that there are about 6 other 20 goal scorers on that team. Patrik Elias on the other hand, plays with one other 20 goal scorer - Brian Gionta - who never would've scored 20 without Elias. Does St. Louis deserve the Hart because he has 15 more assists and 13 more points? Not IMO, but he may get it anyway.

Elias has zero chance of winning it anyway. So how does he factor into this?

It's arguable that Elias is even the MVP of the Devils.

If Elias wins the Richard, theres no doubt in my mind they'll have to give it to him if they give it to a scorer. He doesn't have a huge supporting cast aside from Gomez. There were long stretches in the winter where half our goals were Elias shots.

Brodeur-Veznia

Niedermayer-Norris

St. Louis-Hart


Enough said! :teach:

Had to bump this for some of the idiots who doubted. Had to be done.

Had to bump this for some of the idiots who doubted. Had to be done.

Marty should win the Vezina again, if not to just make up for all the years he was scammed for it. Nieds will be 3rd in the Norris voting, which is still darn good, but I have to think Chara is the man for it this year.

When was he scammed, when Hasek had two of the greatest seasons as a goaltender? Hasek won the Hart and Pearson to go with the Vezina, as well as being named to the First All-Star Team. Brodeur was just unfortunate that he had two great season when another goalie had two greater seasons.

Nieds will be 3rd in the Norris voting
It was nice of you to bump this "Norris trophy" thread for us idiots.

It was nice of you to bump this "Norris trophy" thread for us idiots.Ouch.

No one said I wasn't one too :)

All three of my predictions were correct! ;) Never had a doubt that Brodeur would win the Vezina and Niedermayer the Norris... :(